Beyond new characters, what do you want to see in the next Smash Bros?

faster gameplay

ridley

Good gameplay

Melee HD

Blast Corps trophies

A good ranked multiplayer

>>389367004
haha why does yoshi look like he is sucking a dick lmao just curious why they would animate such a thing haha

>>389367004

Good physics, not-shit gameplay

melee physics

no tripping

There's literally no way Smash 5 can live up to 4. I just want a 4DX at this point honestly.
>Combined the features of both games into 1
>All the stages from both and a handful of new ones and added returning stages
>Unfuck Smash Run so you can fight other people during it
>More event smashes
>Individual character break the targets
>More plentiful crazy orders tickets
>Both classic modes so you can play the superior 3DS one
>Separate toggles for stage bosses and stage hazards
>Bring back ice climbers, snake if possible, ivysaur and squirtle
>Add Inkling, Travis Touchdown, The Wonder Ones with each one being a different costume (besides the fat kid, who can be apart of the moveset or final smash or something), and Commander Video
>Maybe a few new Pokeball Pokemon mostly from gen 7 and Assist Trophies
>Jump momentum added back in
>Nerf or buff whatever you need to make the game swing in favor of offensive play

>>389367004
Each character gets their own break the targets again
return of Melee's adventure mode

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>>389367004
64 was the only game to do metal right.

>>389367004
Good gameplay.

>>389367004
LET ME MOVE THE MENU AROUND WITH THE C-STICK YOU CHUCKLEFUCKS

A good adventure mode. Better music.

>>389367004
Good gameplay.
Good single player content, everything since Brawl has been bad or boring.
Ice Climbers.
Female characters underwear, who censors fucking bloomers?

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>>389367004
My nigga Wolf back

>>389368239
we're obviously getting a deluxe version of smash 4 for the switch, at this point. don't get too excited tho, best case scenario i see is
>all the dlcs
>a couple of stages ported from the 3ds version
>new balance patch
>smash run

Skull Kid as a playable character.

I thought it would happen for Brawl so I'm really surprised it hasn't happened yet.

>>389369054
Now I'm reminded about the couple hours I wasted killing 300 enemies in the training arena thing in Star Fox 64 to see if anything showed up after them.

>>389367004
Faster gameplay
An actual Adventure Mode

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>>389367004
>pic related playable
>Zelda reps need a total overhaul, they reek of laziness on Sakurai's part and this is unacceptable given how much people loved BotW
>N64 retro love, a Wave Race stage, say Dolphin Park where waves and racers are hazards would be incredible
>slightly faster speeds from 4
>a handful of new moves for every character
>3 Fire Emblem reps at absolute most
>in game voice chat
>every past stage in, from original to 3DS/U
>adventure mode back, which was perfect before SSE became a huge waste of resources

Subspace Emissary 2

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>We will always be stuck with Waifufag resource drain Palutena instead of motherfucking HADES
I will never not be angry about that

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>>389369412
>wonder red
>saki
>hades
YES

Literally just port Project M.

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>>389369441
>People who enjoyed Subspace
Is there a single more subhuman opinion in all of video games?

>>389369668
Nah fuck that, but DO steal the mode where each stock is a totally random character, that mode is incredible.

>>389367004
The return of some kind of story mode would be enough to satisfy me. I personally think the gameplay for Smash Wii U is pretty much perfect.

oh yeah i also don't expect the deluxe version to come out in less than 9 months (at least)

>>389367004
More single player content. Even a rehash of Subspace Emissary would be fine for me.

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>>389367004
>Ganondorf has been playable for 3 games now
>across this 16 year period, he's been a clone
>Hyrule Warriors alone featured more originality and faithfulness in a single fucking musou game than Smash across over a decade of development
>BOTW's success is going to force whoever actually makes Smash 5 to give some Zelda love
>but Ganondoft wasn't in it
I don't care who gets added, I just want either Ganondorf to be overhauled with magic and a trident, or just make a Ganon based off the SNES/GBC games.

Like, what the fuck is Sakurai's problem?

>>389367004
Bravely Default stages and songs! The vocalized version of That Person's Name Is and Love's Vagrant
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkiOHdBHnE0https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT1yiLP4oMY

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>Enemies with HEALTH BARS and no knockback
>Bad platforming
>Bad bosses
>The great maze
>Picking the worst songs from Brawl to loop over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over because the stages are all like 5 minutes too long at minimum
>Sluggish
>Generic as fuck artstyle
>Smash 4's trailers blow the cinematics of SSE out of the water
Somebody explain this shit to me, why would anyone EVER like Subspace Emissary?

>>389370075
* https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT1yiLP4oMY

>>389369986
As much as I'd love this I'm not expecting it to ever happen. Besides, there are plenty of other cool picks for Zelda character's:
>Wolf Link/Midna
>MM Link with transformation masks (kind of like Pokemon trainer in Brawl)
>Toon Ganondorf
>Zant
>Girahim
>Skull Kid

>>389369986
>Like, what the fuck is Sakurai's problem?
Current Dorf is one of the most popular Super Smash Brothers characters. Heavily fucking around a moveset people love is retarded.

And with good reason, it's a clone moveset but damn if it isn't one of the most fun in the series.

>>389367004
spike moves autocanceling on hit

>>389369986
Sakurai didn't include Wario in Melee because they didn't have time to give him an original moveset and he wanted to make the character justice instead of making him a clone. But it's fine for Ganondorf to be a clone.

Wario being a clone of Mario would've fit much better than him being le funny fart man

Playable characters
Ringabel (Bravely Default)
Edea (Bravely Default/Second)
Melia (Xenoblade Chronicles)
Ghirahim (Skyward Sword)

>>389370136
It was cool to see all of the character's getting together and none of it was absolutely terrible, it was all just kind of plain. I think fanservice can go a long way, and Subspace had it in spades.

>>389370774
The thing about the fanservice is that everything outside of the spaceship assault/kirby on the dragoon scene is pretty much
>Nintendo characters stare at each other dramatically
>Nintendo characters nod at each other
>Alright there you, pick your character and lets get started
It's so fucking dull. There's like 5 good moments and the rest of it is just monotony.

>>389367004
Real combos

>>389370995
Not disputing that. Personally I want to see it return because of the room for improvement and the potential.

>>389370995
Doesn't help the three Kirby characters more or less hog the spotlight all the time as well

>>389369518
Hades was hardly in one game

>>389367004
L canceling
wavedashing is debatable since it's understandable why they'd keep the new air dodge, but there's no reason why such a simple inclusion can't be made

>>389369986
But at this point ganon is iconic as a falcon clone in smash and sakurai would get alot of backlash for changing him.
But you could always hope toon ganon would get in before tetra.

>>389371373
What are you talking about he's revealed 10 mission into a 30 mission game and is the lifeblood of the rest of it

>>389369775
That sort of happens in Smash Tour but yeah I'd want that as its own mode.

>>389369518
Hades was only in Uprising. Palutena is the obvious choice for a second KI rep.

>>389371521
Palutena sucks ass in character and moveset though. She was the Jerry Seinfeld of the Uprising cast. She's just the straightman

less landing lag/make smooth landing stickers viable and not rng
make air dodging/rolling worse
better balance

>>389367004
bring back dashdancing

>Classic classic mode and 3ds classic mode
>Physics selector
>Hard but not cruel multiman smash
>L O R E

>>389371318
True but DeDeDe's role in the plot is personally one of the only highlights for me
The 5 or so things subspace did well are
>DeDeDe Lucas and Luigi save the day
>Red being on a journey to capture the Pokemon for his team
>Fox (and falco? Can't remember) assaults the Halberd
>All the spaceships attack the subspace ship/Kirby cuts it in half with the dragoon
>Snakes introduction level

>>389371612
Her moveset is really fun and blocking things with bair/dash attack is fun but she does need a less end lag on her grabs to make her a bit better

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>>389371995
>Her moveset is really fun
In what world? She's so fucking sluggish, has wonky shit hitboxes, and a resource draining gimmick that isn't even legal to use (Which fucking SUCKS because her only decently interesting special are all customs)
Palutena's inclusion in the game, as far as I'm concerned, is the only blemish on Smash 4.

>>389370995
If there was ever a Subspace 2 I'd be ok with some universe travelling shit. As in different villains go around and fuck with different series and different characters are shuffled around too. Like Mario in Zelda land to fight Andross and Fox in Kid Icarus land to fight King Dedede or some shit. Rather than made up generic "Smash Bros" areas.

>>389367004

I want to see characters' movesets get expanded upon.

For example, Mario's FLUDD having a full charge affecting other moves, like his Up Special.

If Link is holding a bomb and fires an arrow, it becomes a Bomb Arrow.

Absorbing a fire special as Ness with PSI Magnet powers up PK Fire.

Samus converts to Morph Ball with her Down Special and gets a limited Morph Ball moveset she can cancel out of by dodge-rolling or using Down Special again.

Bowser's fire breath is different whether you hold or tap the button to use it.

And so on.

Also give Palutena Angelic Mine as her default down special.

>>389371612
I'd say Palutena was wackier than Pit. Pit is constantly the butt of the joke. Are you sure she's a straight man?

>>389367004
I want to see it get cancelled before release.

>>389369986
>I just want either Ganondorf to be overhauled with magic and a trident, or just make a Ganon based off the SNES/GBC games.
Well I don't want either of that shit, I want a Ganondorf that moves like a tower and hits you like a damn tower.
>>389371426
>>389367427
>>389367867
Non of this shit

>>389372139
>Rather than made up generic "Smash Bros" areas.
I'd be more concerned with using iconic enemies rather then whatever the fuck the emissary enemies were.

>>389371612
>>389371995
Palutena got gutted by the fact that custom moves are banned in competitive play.
>>389371686
>make air dodging/rolling worse
Learn how to punish you scrub

I just want nintendo to fking release a brawl patch where they remove the 1% slip chance

>>389372281
She's not, it's Pit for the most part. He's really as 'normal' or straight man as you can get in that universe.

Removal of clones or the complete retooling of clones to make them not clones.

>>389372365
>against l canceling
>plays ganondorf

>>389367004
my money back

>>389372474
IIRC they were literally heartless rejects

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Say hello to our new friends

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>>389372365
This would be amazing.

You'd get the best of both worlds.

>>389372604
>This fucking opinion
Yeah lets get rid of the more fun version of
>Captain Falcon
>Link
>Marth
Because Ganon, Toon Link, and Roy offend rosterfag sensibilities

Retard.

>>389372474
Well that too. I kind of meant enemies too when I said actual universes. Though I wouldn't mind those generic enemies accompanying Master Hand or something. Some series like Pilotwings and Wii Sports don't have enemies.

>>389372107
Why do you think she is sluggish? She has fast aerials interesting combos and mix ups and a unique and fun block mechanic. I will admit side b and down b are meh at best but autorecticle can jab reset and warp is really fun when you can learn to cancel it.

>>389372643
Auto-canceling is enough

>>389372139
If subspace had enemies that actually fucking fought like smash fighters with knockback and percentages and you knocking them off the edge of the screen it could be half decent.
Alternatively borrow enemies from Nintendo series and make them actually behave like they did in those games.
Maybe even a combination of both would be neat.
Cut the terrible fucking platforming though.
It also needs bosses as good as Master Core and revamped Master/Crazy Hand from 4 and Tabuu throughout the game.

Realistically though I'd rather them just cut the expensive resource consuming storied single player and keep it to better varied single player content like in 4 and the character reveal trailers instead of in game cinematics.

>>389372775
>No Ganoncide
What kind of a flaming homosexual are you?

>>389372935
autocanceling doesn't do jack shit for heavier characters when l canceling benefits literally everybody

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I want a Storymode like the Subspace Emissary again.

>>389369412
all of these characters suck

>>389369412
>Hades
>Saki
>Wonder Red
Muh nigguh

>>389373430

>hating on Saki and Wonder Red

Fuck you.

Inkling is a given. All the other characters does suck though.

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>>389373803
>No Hades
Shite tastes

>>389373056
That would be difficult since every area would basically become a walkoff stage. I don't mind Smash adventure modes being glorified Kirby games with Nintendo characters. That's what Super Smash Bros is in essence anyways.

2x the speed of melee
The same precision as melee
The same physics as melee
Diagonal grabs throws smashes aerials
Diagonal jumps
Aerial grabs
Aerial smashes

>>389374198
>2x the speed of melee, The same precision as melee, The same physics as melee
Fuck all this shit

>>389374107
It's not worth the drain of resources if it isn't gonna play like Smash

>>389374307
All of these are perfect
Melee had the precision of a nes game on the GameCube and that was impressive


Imo melee was the last good Nintendo game

>>389367004
I like adventure mode, bring that back.
no board game maps, i don't like that
i liked brawl

>>389367004
>Story Mode
>Ganondorf is revamped completely and isn't a Falcon clone anymore
>Make characters like Dr. Mario, Lucina and Dark Pit alts for their respective characters but keep their differences in moves and stats
> Travis Touchdown, Inkling, Spring-Man, Jibanyan and Ashley

>>389367004
Something like Subspace Emissary would be nice.

Also please keep Robin.

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>>389367004
I'd like to see a blend of some Smash 4 mechanics(namely ledge trumping) coupled with Melee's speed and combo game.
Doesn't need to have L-cancelling, but there should be less landing lag. Doesn't need to have wavedashing, but airdodging should be a limited resource.
At the very least increase hitstun so the game can have a working, satisfying combo game and weaker defensive options. One of the biggest turn-offs in Smash 4 is the combo game. It's all guaranteed uthrow into X combos at low % and going into read-heavy pseudo-combos at mid-% until you reach a point where it's all back to neutral until someone gets hit with a stray bair. It's like the worst of SSB64 and Melee, spread over three aspects of the game pace.

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>>389375286
>Make characters like Dr. Mario, Lucina and Dark Pit alts for their respective characters but keep their differences in moves and stats
>Quite literally "keep clones, but make me feel like you arent"
Rosterfags are a special kind of retarded

>>389375381
So pretty much pm


Fuck that

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>>389373081
You can literally have both a traditional Ganon and the Smash version of Ganondorf.

In fact, if they do a Ganon revision, thats what I'm banking on.

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>>389367004
Wonder Red

>>389375510
PM is probably closer to what I want for a new Smash game, but something about it feels off. I can't really put my finger on it. I think it has to do with the buffer, but I don't know.
I also don't like how a lot of the characters seem to be designed around a very specific playstyle. I think you should avoid that as much as possible. You'll probably always have certain characters be most suited for specific purposes, but the more creativity you allow the better. This is a massive problem in Melee.

>>389367004
Don't copy Melee's gameplay 1:1 but get closer to it.

More character customization stuff, such as B moves and alternate costumes.

Smash Run.

>>389375694
Its speed and precision and slowing the game down

>>389372281
>Are you sure she's a straight man?
Nah im pretty sure she has hot steamy sex with Viridi every now and then.

Goddesses are just slutty like that

>>389375759
I don't think it's speed that's the problem. Melee can be really enjoyable even when slowed down.
There is something about the fluidity in PM that I can't quite grasp. People who get really invested into the game absolutely love it and I can see why, but personally, it feels wrong to play.
And this isn't just a situation where someone played Melee for 10 years and PM for 5 minutes. I've got a good amount of time in both games, but I still can't really get why PM's movement bothers me.

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>>389367004
>made this in 2013
>Bayo and Duck Hunt happen
>fixing Ganondorf never ever
Feels awful man

>>389367189
>>389367371
>>389367823
>>389367867
>>389368590
>5
>>389368685
>>389368950
>>389369331
>>389371686
>>389371889
>>389374198
>>389375731
Reminder that you're all Meleefags for wanting good gameplay and you are autistic

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Remove pic related and rework the Final Smash mechanic so that it's suitable for competitive play.

I want to see shit like this in tournament:
https://youtu.be/leXU_hYSdlY?t=24m05s
(skip to 24:05)

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>>389369986
Why doesn't Sakurai just take Ganon's current moveset, and simply give it to Black Shadow, then give ganon his own moveset.

Would people really be that upset? upset at having two F-zero reps and essentially a new character for the Zelda series?

Or better yet,
Keep Ganon's clone moveset and give Black Shadow an original moveset for Ganon.

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>>389367004
>Fire Emblem has more reps than Zelda
>fucking Metroid outsells FE
I will never not be mad

>>389376270
people have been suggesting that since brawl, sakurai doesn't care

>>389376270
I wouldn't even mind if he was a third clone.

Captain Falcon's moveset is so well-designed, he deserves to have as many clones as Marth and Mario (and Fox, in Brawl).

>>389376383
>Metroid outsells FE
Not in the past 10 years it hasn't. Here's hoping Samus Returns is A) Really good and 2. Sells a gorillion copies.

>>389376383
>no new playable characters from Zelda
>three new assist trophies from Zelda that all would have made fantastic playable characters
Still mad.

>>389376238
>so that it's suitable for competitive play.
Why not make a fucking competitive mode? Keep it as an item in casual free-for-all whatevers, and make some new interesting way to implement it in a way that makes it competitive.
Or, just forget about it. Smash is going to be played competitive even if there's no specific mode or settings for it. As long as the core game mechanics are good, things will mostly be fine. But, I really wish they'd at least make a better 1v1 mode for online play, or some nod to the competitive scene. Fucking Japs hate fun competition.

>>389376969
Smash 4 was a step in the right direction imo. They seemed to be trying to cater to casual and competitive players at the same time.

>>389373284
Subspace was fun for what it was.
I really liked seeing the characters interact with each other.

If only Sonic didn't fucking show up at the end,barely interacting with anyone

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>>389367004
How will this masterpiece affect Smash, bros?

Part of me even doubts Link will have this look and it'll be Twilight Princess shit again.

>>389376383
>m-m-muh reps

You're the worst kind of person.

>>389376030
I'm not a Meleefag but I see why it holds up. Generally the speed and weight of everything make all the moves feel more satisfying to hit. That should come back, but some of the other changes in smash should stay, like how you can't edge hog anymore.

>>389376773
>Not in the past 10 years it hasn't.
Yeah because there's been 20 FE games in the past ten years and one or two Metroid games.

>>389377751
>some of the other changes in smash should stay, like how you can't edge hog anymore
How to spot a pleb.

>>389377249
That's actually the problem. When you try to cater to two audiences that want different things, you're going to have to make compromises, usually appeasing none.
Melee was an accident. It was things weird fucking situation where the developers somehow managed to add a ton of depth to what was meant as a casual as fuck experience, because they just wanted to make a good game.
But, with Smash 4 you have Nintendo and Sakurai going out of their way to make it more suited for competitive play, yet they regressed in terms of mechanical depth.
I honestly want them to just make a fucking Smash game. Whatever it is they think will play the best, because that is what will be the best for everyone, including tourneyfags like myself. As long as the gameplay is solid, it will be a good game and people will find some way to play it competitively no matter what.
So, don't try to cater to either crowd and just fucking make a good game.
I also think Sakurai should just retired. The poor man needs some rest. Fuck.

Hey, Ridleyfags out there. I'm curious as to what you would want for him in terms of a moveset.

>>389377663
Most realistic scenario is a Champion's Tunic alt for Link

Best case scenario is BoTW Link having a completely original moveset

A new stage is guaranteed though.

>>389377842
As long as you nerf recovery options, I don't see a big problem with it. Some middle ground between Smash 4 and Melee could work.

>>389377932
It really wasn't. HAL knew exactly what they were doing and all the mechanical depth to Melee were logical steps forward from Smash 64's advanced techniques. Melee was just the rational evolution of the Smash franchise from its previous iteration, it added more gameplay depth on the console that could handle more gameplay depth. The main things that make Melee the competitive monster it is were all entirely intentional decisions based around the physics engine they created for the game.

Then after Melee, when HAL was no longer the developer, they instead went backwards from 64 in terms of gameplay rather than forward from Melee like Melee went forward from 64.

>>389377952
Neutral B: Ridley Breath


Side B: Ridley Charge

Up B: Ridley Flight

Down B: Counter

>>389378212
Edgehogging is a mix-up and mindgame to itself that lends a giant depth to recovery and preventing recovery.

If you remove replenished ledge invincibility it will fix ledge shenanigans without removing a massive gameplay area.

>>389367004
Is this the end of evangelion?

>>389378054
>Smash 5
>the zelda reps end up being, Regular Link, BOTW Link, Toon Link, and Zelda.

No fuck this shit. Zelda is my favorite nintendo IP and I want some fucking variety. Make shit up, take from Hyrule Warriors, hell, make that robot pirate you fight in Skyward Sword a rep.

I like Link but the nigga barely scratches my top 5 characters.

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>>389376270
Sakurai doesn't care about F-Zero. If he did, we would have at least gotten a lazy clone by now.

If Blood had Falcon's N64 smashes, I'd be cool with it.

>>389378471
>Make shit up, take from Hyrule Warriors, hell, make that robot pirate you fight in Skyward Sword a rep

None of these are realistic options. I really don't care if BoTW Link or a different Zelda character gets into Smash 5, as long as they have a unique moveset.

>>389378348
I was going to say it would add another layer to the mix-up scenario, but realised that's a stupid idea. recovery in Melee is already a mix-up and adding more to it just makes games take longer.
In my opinion, when you're off-stage, you fucked up. You played neutral wrong and got punished. You deserve to be in a tough situation and it should be a steep hill to climb back to stage. Fucking keep the edgehogging mechanic, but make it so that with every regrab of ledge, the invincibility is reduced by like 33% or something. This will also remove ledge-stalling, which really doesn't bring anything interesting to the game.

>>389378493
>Sakurai doesn't care about F-Zero.

He cares more about it than Nintendo does.

Anyone up for some netplay? I'm a little drunk and I don't want to fuck around the assholes on Anther's right now.
EU by the way. I'll play any character.

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>>389378471
Impa and a real Ganondorf would be the most ideal things for me.

Twinrova, Onox, Ghirahim, etc would all be great, but they're one-offs.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dRfDouMIxtM

Hyrule Warriors straight up already made a faithful Ganondorf moveset too that they could easily adapt to Smash.

>>389378493
holy shit that collar