ITT: Boss concepts you like

>>389361837
First form was best form

Fish lips was adquate Toriyama monster as he always makes

Perfect is just tryhard.

but second form is the ugliest

>decide to revive freeza
>lets not bring back Cell though
>also Buu is sidelined because he is sleepy
God damnit. It could have been an amazing backstab fest but instead lets just give the Z warriors another final bout.

>>389361837
First form Cell was the best by far. He became more generic looking as he evolved.

>>389362026
>Perfect is just tryhard.
And, that's the fucking point, just like the walking talking Napoleon complex who constantly gets put in second or third place that tries to follow Goku. "Perfect" Cell if far from it, he is an egotistical man child who baby rages when he gets bested by the son of his greatest rival, its a huge slap in the face for fags who try just a little too hard. But then again no one expects subtlety from a anime/manga creator.

Also I wouldn't expect you fags to understand your not supposed to like the villains nor should I expect you to understand that a well designed creature will be trumped by a short hard for powerful like how he does every fucking bad guy with multiple forms. It like you don't understand years of basic tropes even when weebs act like its some kind of brilliant plot point.

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>>389362713
Especially when is a "Saiyan" so he'd be willing to fight without needing to be convinced because of the thrill of fighting strong opponents

Also he could have had good lines in regards of basically all the characters.

Vegeta doesn't even get more than a line and conflict from Frieza

>>389364038
*Cell is

>>389362713
to be fair buu would be broken in the tournement of power

Is imperfect cell the best abridged villain? Yes he is.

>>389364428
Power hardly matters, but would be ringed out by a jobber

>>389364038
Is Vegetas jaw broken in that picture?
Seriously his eyes, nose mouth and neck are all directly side on, but his chin is at 3/4 profile.
Fix your jaw Vegeta. You're drunk.

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>>389361837

>>389364659
form 1 was great

>>389364428
>>>389362713
>to be fair buu would be broken in the tournement of power
How

>>389361837
It's really neat concept now but it wasn't really intended to be that way by Toriyama.
Originally he just made Imperfect Cell and that was it. Then his editor told him that he was way too creepy for the series so he came up with Imperfect Cell.
After that chapter came out his editor told him that Imperfect Cell looks like shit so he came up with Perfect Cell which he liked.

It was a similar thing with the Androids.

>>389364659
>drinks piccolo's arm
>"oh god you even start to look like kami"

Boss starts out fucking massive, and goes on for multiple phases, the final phase having the boss compressed down to your size, for the illusion of an equal fight.

>>389361837
Tournament of Power or how Goku beats up a Dragon Quest Boss.

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>>389365187
>so he came up with Imperfect Cell

Meant Semi-Perfect obviously

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>>389361837
>shoop-da-woop
>beautiful
Only imperfect and perfect look good.
Semi-perfect looks like he's from da 'hood.

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>>389365130
>Nigh invulnerable
>in the event he's damaged instant regen without stamina loss
>transformation beams
>skill mimic
>can split himself into multiple smaller Buus seemingly without losing power
>Can produce a barrier
>healing abilities
That's just the beginning.

How is Buu not broken?

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Best Cell.

>>389361837
what?
are you crazy?
first form cell is fucking cute.
second form is for barafags.
third form suck. thats all, it just suck.
he loose to gohan, whats more pathetic can you be.

>>389364883
Glad I played this before it blew up, the whole joke is ruined if you even glance at fanart before playing it.

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>>389361837
>first form: somewhat bulky monster
>second form: more bulky monster
>third form: slender, refined perfect form

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>>389362713
Because Frieza is stronger then Cell and they barely had any time to get Frieza as it was.

>>389367732
gohan was about to accept his fate until daddy amped him up

>>389368646
>Frieza is stronger then Cell

Cell literally has Frieza's DNA on top of everyone else's.

>>389368646
I don't understand why they made Cell X this bulky.

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>>389368646
>resurrect frieza and give him a shiny new form
>"now he's more powerful than Cell :^)"

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>>389368886
Yes. Cell's been dead, while Frieza was brought back and could rival SSG, then got even stronger in the after life. Cell is not SSG level. If Frieza never came back to life then Cell would be the better choice.

>>389369149
I fucking hate this. I hate everything in Dragonball Super.

>>389369365
>hating Super
>for something that happened in Z

>>389368993
The downside to being a raid boss, you gotta be bulky and huge.

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>>389361837

>Boss has all the same abilities you do
>Boss gets more weapons in New Game Plus

>>389364834
was it autism?

>>389366847
>>389365130
imagine him slowly absorbing people starting with the jobbers and slowly getting strong enough to absorb the top guys. he'd get strong enough to absorb GOD's then strong enough for the angels lol.

or can he not absorb since being seperated from kid buu?

>>389368886
frieza came back and trained into gold remember? he passed Cell. They only had a few hours to prepare for the tournament. Cell would'nt have been able to catch up let alone surpass freiza (he could with time though)

>>389361837
Perfect cell is the clunkiest, most boring DBZ villain. He lost his tail gimmick so whats the point of that character then.

>>389370015
>We will never see Buu adsorb Hit to defeat the ayylmao guy

>>389362713
Cell was too much work to animate so they ignored him

>>389362718
Freeza 2.0?

>>389370359
Giving Toriyama an opportunity to fellate the sayans even more. That entire arc was a mistake. Yamcha should have stayed with Bulma.

>>389369149
Wasn't Cell supposed to be: Piccolo + Vegeta + Mecha Freeza?

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>>389369312
> If Frieza never came back to life then Cell would be the better choice.
That doesn't make any sense, all that proves is Cell who is part Frieza can easily get to that level as well seeing as Frieza only took 4 months and was weaker than Cell to begin with.

>>389370172
>They only had a few hours to prepare for the tournament. Cell would'nt have been able to catch up
New and improved hyperbolic time chamber

>>389372380
Yes.
They only had an hour left. Cell didn't have time to train. Although just because Cell has sayian and freezer DNA doesn't mean he can go super sayian or gold. He might train and still not be as strong as Freiza who only trained for about a year

>>389370901
Just stop posting Yamcha. Your greatest victory was fighting a starving child to a stand still.

>>389368646
>Because Frieza is stronger then Cell
Both are stronger than Tien or Roshi

>>389365130
As it turns out, apparently he has healing powers

>>389372871
You know, that "apparently" made me think you were unsure or didn't know where it was used.
But then I realised what you did.

>>389372715
>They only had an hour left. Cell didn't have time to train.
He didn't need to, about 5 people at a push in the whole tournament are god level. Fieza however is a huge liability and hasn't even been taking out the big guys. seems more likely to betray everyone and almost did. Plus is that so hard to write around? Watch
>cell has been training in hell
>They don't wait till the last minute to get him and use the hyperbolic time chamber
Wow, really hard that one.

>Cell has sayian and freezer DNA doesn't mean he can go super sayian or gold.
He already had equivalent power to SS, even got the yellow glow. Plus seeing as gold was utter bullshit is Cell gets a new transformation really that unreasonable?

>>389373226
>They don't wait till the last minute to get him and use the hyperbolic time chamber
Just stop posting. It's clear that you have no idea what you're talking about.

The only reason they didn't bring Cell back is because the gooks they pay 5 bucks on the hour to draw this shitshow are too lazy to draw his spots. Thats it. I like Frieza too, but a team of Cell, Frieza, and Buu would have been godlike.

>>389373226
>>cell has been training in hell
Not even Frieza did this. All he did in hell was image training to help him control the stamina drain of Golden he didn't gain any strength.
>>They don't wait till the last minute to get him and use the hyperbolic time chamber
Vegeta blew it up you idiot.

>>389373226
The only reason I don't absolutely hate Frito's new gold form is because of the whole "he was so strong without ever having to do anything. He was just born that strong, a prodigy, so if he actually tried to train he could become extremely powerful" makes sense, barely, but I can deal with it

>>389372389
Other people were using it already

>>389373351
That super relies heavily on characters not thinking and plot conveniences? more than aware of that pedro, see you next arc where buu falls asleep again so can't do shit.

>>389373628
>Not even Frieza did this
So what? At this point it would be far from the weirdest thing in Super

>Vegeta blew it up you idiot.
For the second time not to long ago and after the door already blew up in Z. Building a new one ain't hard

>>389372871
Did you forget when he healed that kid's pupper?

>>389373628
>Vegeta blew it up you idiot.
If only there was something in the show that could magically fix things like that. Oh well.

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>>389373663
i don't really care that he got a new form, just think it is ugly and anything involving him in super has been lackluster

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Is Dragon Ball still a thing?

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>>389373663
I just don't like the way he looks. I would have been fine with him just training and getting stronger normally without a new form. His normal form is aesthetic as fuck, I really don't care for gold and purple.

>>389374076
In hindsight, Shoop the Whoop was actually pretty fucking racist.

>>389374046
Like 70% of Super is just fan service and nostalgia. Like Blue Vegito was cool but was shoe horned i

>>389368646
>Because Frieza is stronger then Cell
cell literally beat trunks by making him exhaust himself
>knowing trunks killed frieza easily
>he also got 1 year of nothing but training in the meantime

>muh golden friza
if there's a single character doing nothing but trying to improve himself, it's cell, don't give me that bullshit, he probably uses every second to train

>>389373857
>At this point it would be far from the weirdest thing in Super
It would be the single most absurd thing in Dragonball (barring GT) to date.
>Building a new one ain't hard
Given the extremely limited amount of time they have? Yes, yes it is.
Also you're implying that the only problem is the fucking door when you're talking about an alternate dimension.
>>389373925
Are you being dense on purpose?

>>389374164
Nobody's arguing with you there, the new form looks like some crappy deviantart mockup. First and Final Form Frieza are some of the best designs of Z

>>389361837
Super Saiyan God Perfect Cell. Make it happen! He must be perfect!

>>389374164
But they can't sell another 4th form Frieza! But now that he is gold there is endless possibilities, also repaint those Gokus blue

>>389374258
>Like 70% of Super is just fan service and nostalgia
The thing is it isn't even very good nostalgia, Tien has been shat on hard

>>389374280
Cell gets zenkai boosts too thanks to being part Saiyan. He could have easily reached the current Super power level with a decent amount of training. Of course, this is assuming Goku and co would be cool training the guy. His character interactions would be great though, would have been nice to see how disappointed he would be with Gohan.

>>389362713
8.8 too many dots

>>389374479
The Roshi episode was pretty good though, Krillin got shat on worst of all. But seeing the Androids be badass and not waste the fact they have infinite stamina are a few redeeming qualities of Super. Good nostalgia was that Arale episode and when Krillin saw all the people who killed him

>>389374479
I'm just waiting on re-issue of final form Frieza. Aftermarket is a bitch.

>boss gets bigger every time you hit them
>boss constantly runs across the screen and loops around unstoppably
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4EKepWRIgVU

>>389373857
>For the second time not to long ago
"Not too long ago" seems to be several months at the very least given that in that time Goku had neglected his training enough to be scratched by a bullet.
>and after the door already blew up in Z
Yes and?
Once the door is destroyed the entire space needs to be remade. It's not like they can just slap a door on it and it'll be fixed again.

>>389374503
>Of course, this is assuming Goku and co would be cool training the guy
goku trusted cell enough to give him a senzu just because it would make a better training for gohan
out of all villains, cell doesn't give a shit about being evil, he just wants to be the strongest, bringing him back and telling there are elites from 11 universes to beat down he would be okay with it
and without asspulls

>>389374164
Should've gave him a fifth form

>>389375014
I would have been fine with that, anything other than that vomit inducing gold color.

>>389362713
Cell can not improve though. He is going to sit at the Cell Saga level forever unlike Frieza.

>>389374916
Goku let his guard down, he didn't neglect his training.
It is said that you have to be actively on guard for their defensive power to work.
Of course this ignores the first chapter of Dragonball when bulma shot Goku but maybe space lasers are significantly more deadly

>>389375014
Like cooler's form for example

>>389362026
If I could redo time, the first form would have become the second form. There'd be a new, smaller, spindlier looking form that was physically weak that would be the new first form. And the final form would resemble Imperfect, but with the black accents, and the mouth replaced with a sort of transformed Cooler aesthetic.

I always found Perfect Cell to just be Freeza #2, after Toriyama gave up trying to please everyone and just went to the same tired cliche because he knew it'd be accepted.

>>389374370
>It would be the single most absurd thing in Dragonball (barring GT) to date.
Cell training in hell, is the most absurd thing. The super powerful part saiyan training, is absurd. You're trying too hard

>Also you're implying that the only problem is the fucking door when you're talking about an alternate dimension.
Are you trying to say they have to make a whole new dimension? No, it really is just the door to it.

Plus here is some crazy rewrite, it doesn't get destroyed. Hell just give them more than a week, this isn't hard to write in yet you seem to be really struggling .

>>389374916
>seems to be several months
Prove that it took that long and can't be done quicker. That would really not break the universe if they can build quick.

> the entire space needs to be remade.
Wrong, in buu sag the door is destroyed yet the space stays. A new portal can even be made just from shouting and there are many characters past Gotenks SS3 power level now

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>Boss is an evil robot version of the protag

>>389374916
>Goku had neglected his training enough to be scratched by a bullet.
that wasn't from neglect though, he was distracted

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>Boss first form is big
>Second form is fuckhuge
>Third form is about human size but its the most dangerous

Why this happens?

>>389374859
Mugen you so crazy
>>389375107
Saiyan genes+Frieza genes would have allowed it
>>389375213
Yep

>>389367731
The one thing I did sort of like about his transformation is that prior to that, he looked sort of normal, but his muscles were really fucked up looking. So you couldn't tell if it was a style thing, or if he was actually messed up.

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>>389375213

>>389375343
I always liked that

>>389375175
>he didn't neglect his training.
You might want to watch that episode because he himself says he's getting rusty. Also are you really going to say he wasn't on guard given everything you saw in that scene? He even actively blocked that particular bullet.

>but maybe space lasers are significantly more deadly
You do realise that I'm not referring to the laser right? That was a clear case of both fatigue from having the crap beaten out of him by Frieza and letting his guard down.
I'm referring to this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdXepwTDC9w

>>389374164
He originally was meant to be this bizarrely, completely white figure with a hint of purple accents here and there. The way he's drawn nowadays, especially gold, messes that up.

Either way, the way his biology works, if he got stronger, he either should have lost the need to be in his first form, or gained another, weaker form to conceal his new power even further.

Would have been interesting to see him walking around in his old second form, like his father, because he no longer needed the original.

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>>389367731
>Best Cell
>no elegance

>>389375343
Because humans are the real monsters

>>389375494
Oh I see I didn't bother with the first two super arcs
Didn't take any damage from the other bullets in that particular instance he was still too slow to put his guard up

>>389375663
O MY SACRED ENERGY
Sensui was a piece of shit and the people they fought before him were much better, especially the doctor.

>>389375663
This character and his personalities made no sense to me but the fights were still fantastic

>>389375242
>Cell training in hell, is the most absurd thing. The super powerful part saiyan training, is absurd.
Yes it is absurd because evil beings don't keep their body. They even mention that Frieza is an exception because he has so much resentment towards Goku and he with a body couldn't do anything beyond image training to control the stamina loss.

>Are you trying to say they have to make a whole new dimension? No, it really is just the door to it.
Are you stupid or do you think that an ordinary wooden door is the only thing that's going to fix a connection to a dimension that progresses faster than normal?

>Plus here is some crazy rewrite, it doesn't get destroyed.
Congrats you've ruined part of Vegeta's character.
>Hell just give them more than a week
And remove what little tension there is?

You're a complete moron, I bet you'll defend Toyble's writing too won't you.

>>389376221
>made no sens
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sbw02Mwi_Ow

>>389373829
Vegeta was alone in it and it was said you shouldn't be alone in it, for the sanity of mind and also to have a better yraining. Literally why they paired up in Cell saga

>>389362026
Holy shit you are this insecure of having shitty taste that you are even using my arguments

>>389376290
>because he has so much resentment towards
And cell does as well, he would rather blow up than lose. You keep trying to make up these excuses for why some things could never ever happen in a show that has always has asspulls with that not even being a bad one.

>Are you stupid or do you think that an ordinary wooden door is the only thing that's going to fix a connection to a dimension that progresses faster than normal?
Which can be done by shouting hard enough which at a minimum they have 3 guys (maybe 4 if Mr Buu can) powerful enough to do. You haven't demonstrated it is so impossible to do but with fuck all to back it up, just side stepped the point.

>you've ruined part of Vegeta's character.
yes destroying that was a key part to his character, completely incomprehensible without and he certainly couldn't destroy anything else.

>And remove what little tension there is
there was no tension to begin with, we knew who was on the team already. Instead we could have gotten more training and interaction.

>boss starts beautiful
>second form is a horrifying monster
>third form is even more beautiful than the first, while still having monster parts
Literally the best

>>389376750
Vegeta said fuck that.
He didn't want to pair with anybody

>>389375107
You're a colossal retard if you think that

>>389362713
He learned from Frieza that some people just can't be saved.

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>>389365187
His first form actually was scary
>mfw they cut to him in the process of absorbing a guy in a empty city

>>389377067
That I know, it was to say the argument of "someone was already in there" is a non-existent one

What is this new meme of acting like imperfect cell was anything special and acting like perfect cell wasn't shit.

Who started this trend, I'd like to know how newfags latched onto this horrible bandwagon.

>>389362713
Cell can become too powerful at this point, also after he regenerated he became completely unhinged

>>389377184
How is it nonexistent? Nobody wanted to go fuck with Vegeta and his training. Would you go to the gym and try to use a machine somebody else is already using?

>>389361837
>During the boss fight the boss taunts you with actual good dialouge and it makes killing him so much better
or
>Boss wants you to kill him, he doesn't want to kill you but he's being forced

any examples /v/?

>>389376750
>Literally why they paired up in Cell saga
That's literally wrong. Goku mentioned that they were short on time and insisted that Vegeta take Trunks' with him.
I don't know what shitty anime dub you pulled your source from but it's wrong.

>>389375221
Explain Buu then?

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>>389365187
he already created the trope with Freeza tho

>>389377286
You can also say fuck off to Vegeta like they did with Trunks in Cell saga.

The fact the chamber was not empty is a non-argument

>>389365187
Toriyama's editor is the hero we need
But not the one we deserve

>>389377440
And it was a trope he wasn't intending on doing until his editors forced him to.

>>389377501
>say fuck off to your second strongest warrior
>to Vegeta of all people

>>389377412
>anime dub
>implying I'd watch a dubbed anime
I've the 42 volumes of the manga series

>>389374076
are you living under a rock?
there were 2 movies coming out, a new series still running and a bunch of video games coming out

>>389377582
It really makes me think about how the series would've turned out if they hadn't changed anything.

>>389377615
It's not like the scenario of super (and the movies) already say fuck off to Vegeta and that my favorite character

>>389377675
Look at Super

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>>389374076
Well Super is a thing so probably

>>389377585
No, he only not intended to do it with Cell. Everything about Freeza was his idea.

>>389377156

holy fuck m8 I was about to post this exact shit

Not that it scared me that bad but that scene is burned into my memory. Cell just sucking people dry and killing them was probably one of the most brutal things the show had in a while.

Reminder that if not for Toriyama's editors the main villains of the Android arc would've been a fat chiaoztu and an old man.

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>game where you can recruit enemies you fight in battle
>boss becomes recruitable after you beat them
>they are just as good but with less HP or even better than they were as an enemy

>>389377582
>>389377675
>>389377585
>>389377747
Freeza going though the same kind of transformation was already his idea
he literally just didn't wanted to repeat the thing with Cell but the publisher forced him to

>>389376921
>And cell does as well
That's complete fucking headcanon and you know it. Cell did not lose to the same degree as Freiza who not only lost his life but his entire empire that he had long before Goku was even born. Not to mention his family too given Trunks killed his fucking father.
Cell was just fighting because that's what he was designed to do.
>Which can be done by shouting hard enough which at a minimum they have 3 guys
Like I said you're a fucking moron.
>You haven't demonstrated it is so impossible to do
How about the fact that the shouting method was completely unstable and closed within a few seconds of opening? Don't forget the fact that both times were done from the inside you retard. But hey, proof only matters when it's not your argument right?
I mean it's not like you needed proof that it was possible to make a sustainable connection in a few minutes right?

>yes destroying that was a key part to his character
Yes, yes it is.
That's a huge part of Vegeta's character given his training regimens pretty much destroy the area he's in unless he's with someone.
>there was no tension to begin with, we knew who was on the team already.
That's because we look at spoilers and leaks you dumbass. Think from an outside perspective for once in your life.
> Instead we could have gotten more training and interaction.
Oh so you wanted more filler hell.

Jesus Christ. I don't even know why I'm bothering with someone as stupid as you.

>>389362026
A lot of it has to with Toryama trying to please editors who kept throwing insults at his Cell designs.

>>389377964
No that's on Trunks for traveling through time baka

Only vorefags like imperfect Cell.

Perfect Cell is the best Villain

>>389377413
He came back one last time in return for being able to do whatever the fuck he wanted. He made a retarded arc about silly shit happening because he was sick of Dragonball and at heart he's a half wit artist that likes drawing gags.

>>389376921
>Which can be done by shouting hard enough which at a minimum they have 3 guys (maybe 4 if Mr Buu can) powerful enough to do
>Hey let's fix the door to the time chamber by screaming at it
>it got us out, surely it could get us back in!
You sound so fucking retarded, lad.

>>389369420
What the fuck?

>>389377617
>I've the 42 volumes of the manga series
And yet you recall details that didn't happen.

>>389378281
Fukkatsu no F was titled DBZ

>>389366847
>Bouncy as shit
>Dumb as shit
He would have gotten basketball-dribbled right out of the ring by ayylmao after breaking out of Gohan's cuck circle three seconds in.

>>389378357
He probably uses those old 2003 manga scans that have anime lines in them. You know the ones that are aliased and have crazy contrast?

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Reminder that it was cockknobblers Vegeta's fault that Cell managed to absorb 18 and become perfect.
God I hated that hothead so much. Absolutely irrational and controlled by his inner pride bullshit.

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>Villain turns everyone against you and steals your waifu
>Villain succeeds in collecting the items that not even a space emperor could achieve

Best villain. I legitimately hated this fuck.

>>389378501
>there are people that think Goku would let Cell absorb 18
Vegeta is not nearly as retarded as those people.

>>389378028
>That's complete fucking headcanon and you know it.
Cell being a bitch and then blowing himself up when he was about to lose is headcanon? good to know

>completely unstable
yet completely possible, plus use missed the point that making the portal is not some completely impossible task like you make out. You still have no proof. It can be done, it can be fixed and there is nothing saying it takes ages to fix. You are done on this one, you have nothing but shouting it is impossible.

> given his training regimens pretty much destroy the area he's in unless he's with someone.
Despite in Super we have seen him not do so multiple times, even your post admits he doesn't have to. Also
>he certainly couldn't destroy anything else.

>hat's because we look at spoilers
You mean the OP from ep 77 onward?

>Oh so you wanted more filler hell.
Characters interacting and possibly growing is filler, got it.

>>389378186
>genociding the entire human race
>gag

>>389378571
Cell knew that blowing himself up wouldn't kill him. It wasn't a sacrifice out of hate or anything like that. It was just a last ditch effort.

>>389374164
Frieza implies that he specifically tailored his form to look flashy so Goku's philistine mind would understand it.

>>389378520
who?

>>389378718
>Cell knew that blowing himself up wouldn't kill him
That's false. Tori even bullshits an explanation to make Cell survive.

It's worse than Mystic Gohan, SSJ, Potara, and every other asspull. It made no sense.

>>389369149
Frieza was way more powerful than Cell even in base form though.

Cell fought everyone through the Cell Saga, absorbed millions of people and 2 androids and still got beat by Gohan.

In fact Cell had more time getting stronger than Frieza did when he was revived. Frieza>Cell

>>389378581
He used to draw rape comics. You obviously know nothing about artists.

>>389378718
You are wrong, but so? Frieza said blowing up the planet wouldn't kill him, both where still a rage induced fuck everyone I am meant to be the best move.

>>389378567
Goku absolutely would in Super

>>389378828
Baby

>>389378969
How does retardation like this even happen. The fact that Cell comes after Frieza alone automatically makes him stronger you dork. Z fighters' power doesn't reset every arc.

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>>389378835
>literally contradicts something in Cell's previous fight

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>>389378357
I don't. Popo explained it and Trunks says it in volume 32. Also Piccolo talks about it

>>389378481
>scans...

>>389379231
>literally contradicts something in Cell's previous fight
He got his top half blown off by Goku earlier but regenerated, it has always been bullshit

>>389378969
>In fact Cell had more time getting stronger than Frieza did when he was revived.
What the fuck? Cell was trying to EVOLVE, not get stronger. Frieza trained for 4 months straight, Cell was trying to absorb nutrients so he can actually become what he was supposed to be and also become strong enough to absorb androids to become complete.

Two completely different scenarios.

>>389363601
I think while he was considered "perfect", he inherited every flaw from the people he got DNA from. Like the Saiyan ego and pride.

>>389379231
>dies in his semi-perfect form
>regenerates in his perfect form
Toriyama gave up during this arc.

>>389379507
And being overly beautiful from frieza

>>389379405
Why are those volumes so fucking small? Are they weird polish translated volumes or something?

>>389379405
Wtf is that, the Dragon Ball: gay pride edition?

>>389379603
Maybe because those are original editions and not the upper priced for shit deluxe ones

>>389379408
Microscopic

>>389375242
I think the last time Vegeta actually blew up the dimension. Not that it's a big deal since iirc it's Earth sized, but still. If that's the case, it's a little bigger than "doorway".

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>>389379759
>I think the last time Vegeta actually blew up the dimension.
why would he be dumped back on earth then? if that is even possible

>>389379702
Blame the publisher for that, not a fan of the colors either but it was the 90's

The newer edition with the drawing over the whole collection is nicer but I won't buy the whole 42 volumes just for that

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>>389361837
>Boss is speechless with a melancholic boss theme.
The only example I can think of is Roxas in KH2.
I just want a boss fight with this playing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FywSzjRq0e4

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>>389367731
to go even further beyond.

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>the guy she was dating for last 12 years, who wishes for nothing more than to get married and lead a peaceful life
>or a genocidal balding manlet that casually murders his allies, slaughters peaceful villages and doesn't have a single redeemable feature about him
Great fucking choice, Bulma.

>>389379725
His top half was obliterated, there wasn't anything there. If that didn't destroy enough down to the microscopic scale then nothing should have

>>389379587
>Toriyama gave up during this arc.

Not surprising since his editors wanted him to change shit constantly. Cells look started changing for that reason. First people didn't like it because it was a bug, so he made it humanoid. Then people didn't like that it looked like a nigger, so it was changed again.

Then in the Buu saga he went full "lol I give no fucks", there was even a page where Krillin breaks the fourth wall saying "doesn't it look like the author has been goofing around this whole chapter?".

>>389378718
>Cell knew that blowing himself up wouldn't kill him

No, he stated afterwards that he was surprised that he survived it. And that he could go SSJ2 after it. And that he could do Gokus instant transmission after it...

>>389379759
>I think the last time Vegeta actually blew up the dimension

They use it every time they need training in Super.

>>389375343
I like it. Gives off the vibe that all of its power has been concentrated in a smaller form. Also the idea that something with the same general size and proportion as you can dwarf you in power is somewhat intimidating.

>>389380069
Women love assholes. Welcome to real life.

>>389380008
Does Lingering Will count?

>>389379939
Worth it.

>>389380069
>the guy she was dating for the last 12 years, who cheats on her and isn't faithful
>or a dude who hasn't committed any crimes since Goku died and doesn't do much of anything aside from stay on Earth
Gee, Yamchafags truly are stupid.

>>389380078
Anon you can get a nuke dropped on your head and microscopic bits will remain
You underestimate just how small a microscopic particle is

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>>389364659
>Is this what lips feel like? Blblblblbl

>>389379725
>his top half is gone
>but one of the cells in the TOP half survived, which is why he regenerated his BOTTOM half
makes sense

>>389380069
>serial cheater
>total weakling
Bulma has a thing for bad boys and Yamcha lost his edge after being coddled so long

>>389378402
My dick is titled DBZ, is it canon?

>>389372786
At least Roshi has a niche as the "mystic" guy. Tien doesn't have shit though.

>>389380229
Forget about that, yes.

>>389380258
Except Cell regenerate from the body and not his microscopic bits like he's supposed to

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>>389379507
His demise came from doing to Gohan what Super Vegeta did to him. It's great. He is Goku/Vegeta/Frieza/Piccolo wrapped in one but also his own person.

>>389380245
>hasn't committed any crimes since Goku died
Remember that peaceful Namekian village he slaughtered? It's even mentioned again when they aren't ressurected by the dragonballs due to being killed by Vegeta instead or Frieza.

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What about the reverse?
>Starts out as a beautiful angelic being
>As it starts to lose it becomes more and more grotesque or horrifying
SMT does it best

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>>389380008
>Boss has melancholic theme but won't shut the fuck up

>>389379725
Have you actually watched the scene? there was nothing left. if that didn't get every piece then nothing should have killed him so even if you accept the first bit isn't a plot hole him dying at all is.

Plus he regenerated from the body out, not from a tiny spec in the air.

>>389379231
Is this like the Japanese equivalent of "lol Wolverine can survive a nuke" bullshit? That's kinda funny to be honest.

>>389379228
Except when base Frieza effortlessly kills SS Gohan and Piccolo who was way stronger than he was in the Cell Saga.

Base Frieza > Perfect Cell. Gohan even said he was the most powerful he's ever felt.

>>389380367
DBZ was never canon anyway, the manga is called Dragon Ball. DBZ is only the anime intepretation

Also you asked, I answered

>>389378764
I thought he did it to mock Goku by taking his gold color.

>>389364659
So this is where you faggots got this meme from

>>389380387
What if some cell from his head was among the goo that was oozing out of his lower half?

>>389380472
too overdone. A lot of bosses start as normal and end all fucked up

>>389363601
>And, that's the fucking point

I don't watch dbz but that is such a shitty argument. Shit design is shit design. You can't say it's shit on purpose because x,y and z.

(As I said haven't watched dbz so don't have an opinion on the design. Just pointing out how retarded your argument is)

>>389380245
>who cheats on her and isn't faithful
Yamcha didn't cheat though, random bitches would constantly flirt with him and he would shut them down.
Bulma just couldn't handle him being desirable.

I liked friezas second form the most. It's just a bigger version of himself. 3rd stage looked retarded.

Imperfect Cell - nigger
Perfect Cell - superior white master race

What did Toriyama mean by this?

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>>389380229
>Play KH2 and fight lingering will
>pretty cool boss
>play BBS afterwards and get to Terra's final boss

>>389379587
>Implying his zenkai boost didn't give him the power he needed to gap the bridge from semi-perfect to perfect, even without 18.

>>389380556
>What if some cell from his head was among the goo that was oozing out of his lower half
that's even worse than the plothole itself

>>389380008
There's also the final boss, Gwyn in Dark Souls
That one fucking hit me hard

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>>389380352
>serial cheater
Is this something the anime did to make Bulma's thottery less ridiculous? Because in the manga this is the last thing Yamcha says before the timeskip and there's no indication of him cheating on Bulma ever, only references to how she overreacts to Yamcha even talking to other women.
Bulma is an awful person, Goku and Piccolo are too for not warning their "friend" about his gf's sluttiness.

>>389379603
Not the guy but Dragon Ball always had 42 volumes. That's the normal size

>>389380536
Are you going to infuriate me further more by saying basic shit I already know in order to make my genuine hate for Super look dumb?

>>389380528
Are you referring to RoF? Which came out after? Which follows the same logic?

You understand how it works right. They could bring Cell back any time and give him a power up just like Golden Frieza and well look at that he's more powerful again. By the way they were not way stronger, Gohan got even weaker than he did during the Saiyaman arc. 90% of Super was about him getting his shit together because he wasn't even a fighter anymore.

>>389380676
If I shoot at ballistic gel even with a grenade launcher, some but from the top will be thrown in the air then come back down to settle on the target
Same happened here.
Furthermore it says as long as a core cell survives he can regenerate. Doesn't say that the regenerate will start from the core cell

>>389380760
>my editor won't be happy until Goku kills a white man

>>389380760
That whites will fall to glorious nippon children?

>>389374164
Same here. I primarily hate it because it is not only lazy, but stupid as fuck too - they literally made Freeza go Super Saiyan. And that's it.

It really should've been a new armoured form like Coolers.

>>389380717
>Yamcha didn't cheat though
>Trunks literally says he cheated in the manga

>>389380864
Yamcha was getting too much pussy and couldn't commit. Trunks says this.

>>389380760
imperfect cell - gentleman after he absorbed a handsome man
perfect cell - manchild that threw a temper tantrum when he was beaten by a kid after absorbing a female.

What did Toriyama mean by this?

>>389380923
Disintegration doesn't work like that pal. The part that's touched cease to exist

>>389380693
I don't know what the fuck is wrong with some of you. Perfect Cell is light years ahead of his other forms in terms of design and personality.

>>389380982
That's what Bulma told him and bitter single mothers hardly make most reliable narrators.

>>389380472
Say what you will about SMT IV's difficulty curve. The progression within the bosses with the changing visuals and the dialogue choices was fantastic.
>Beat Lucifer's first form
>Walter's disfigured form appears on his arm

>>389380972
>Trunks literally says he cheated in the manga

iirc he just states that she was fed up with Yamcha being a playboy, and that she got close to Vegita while he was training on Earth.

>>389378520
Is it really stealing and cucking when its still your body that is fucking your wife even if you aren't in control?

>>389380972
>>Trunks literally says he cheated in the manga
That's literally not what he says

>>389380078
Didn't he explain that he used Piccolo's regenerative abilities to recover from that? Piccolo's regen was able to save him from arm dismemberment and the time Cell blew a hole in his torso.

>>389362713
I thought Cell doesn't exist anymore because his timeline was deleted?

>>389381180
This

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>>389380864
Yamcha cheated on Bulma and Bulma got rid of him for it.
>inb4 that autist argues that Bulma isn't reliable so Toriyama obviously wrote this under the idea that Bulma is a lying whore who manipulated Trunks and Yamcha isn't actually the bad guy.
Yamchafags jump through loops just to make his character seem good, that's why he only has 2 moves and isn't getting in.

>>389362026

I used to prefer the first form, but not anymore.

>>389381214
I don't think Piccolo can regrow a head, I think he has said that

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>first two forms are reasonable and have pattern
>the last one is just an animal jumping on keyboard

>>389381092
To repeat what I just said:

>As I said haven't watched dbz so don't have an opinion on the design.

>>389381035
Most people don't realize Cell starts quoting Vegeta's lines with staggering accuracy when he starts to get mad as Vegeta did on Earth. At least in the anime.

>>389381091
He obviously wasn't disintegrated then. Torso down he was perfectly intact, didn't even fall down. Goku holds back too fucking much.
>>389381094
>bitter
She had already been married to Vegeta at that point. The only bitterness is that all her friends are dead
>>389381226
Main timeline cell was aborted, future trunks cell was killed by trunks after he went back. The tournament cell was from yet another timeline where he killed Trunks and he was killed by Gohan in main timeline.
None of the timelines wee deleted but

>>389380923
>If I shoot at ballistic gel even with a grenade launcher, some but from the top will be thrown in the air then come back down to settle on the target
>Same happened here.
holy shit, is this autism?

>>389362713
>Z warriors

>>389381106
SMTIV had some real ass-kickers for bosses. King Kenji stonewalled me for a whole day. And Beelzebub is a hard motherfucker unless you have Alice.

>>389378571
>Cell being a bitch and then blowing himself up when he was about to lose is headcanon? good to know
His resentment you dumbass. Plus Cell was okay with killing himself if it fulfilled his objective.
Now show some proof that Cell even has a body he can train in or stop posting jackass.

>It can be done
Of course it can be fixed you idiot but you're the only one here saying it can be done quickly or that shouting is enough to make a new entrance when
1) We've never seen it in the process of being rebuilt
2) We've only ever seen them making a way OUT of the space and not into it. For all we know repeating the process outside of it could break into a completely different space.

>it can be fixed and there is nothing saying it takes ages to fix.
There's also nothing saying it can be done quickly you retard and until you prove that it can then your argument is fucking pointless.

>Despite in Super we have seen him not do so multiple times
He's only been in three times in Super
Do you know which instance it was where he didn't blow it up? When he went in with Goku.
Oh yeah and even though it's not the time chamber don't forget about that time he trained so hard in the Capsule Corp ship that he fucking blew it up.

>You mean the OP from ep 77 onward?
Have you even watched Super?
Because he didn't make an appearance in the OP until he appeared in the episode you fucking retard.
Don't believe me? Well look at this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vhuScGC_c2o There's literally two different versions.

>Characters interacting and possibly growing is filler, got it.
Yeah, good thing no one did that at all.

>Cell, Buu, and Frieza on Team Universe 7
That would've been cool as fuck but instead we got fucking Krillin and Tien

>>389381769
At least we didn't get Yamcha.

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>>389361837
>boss grows angel wings in his last form

>>389381595
No, it is merely an example. Presumably chi waves are similar given how they create round explosions.

>>389381887
Holy shit dude, it's just a fucking gag manga. You're like next level autismistic.

>>389381878
>Enormous boss reverts back to a smaller, humanoid form for his final phase

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>Boss's first form is easy. fat and out of shape
>Boss's second form is giant planet-sized monster
>Boss's strongest and final form is just them when they were younger and in-shape

>>389379436
And Cell by that time fought Android 16, 17, SS Trunks, roided Trunks, Kamiccolo, fp Goku, ss2 Gohan, roided Vegeta, and Mr Satan.
And healing and getting zenkai boosts after every battle and that occured over a long period of time.

In addition he also absorbed millions of people, and 2 androids. And he absorbed Goku's cells too.

And base Frieza surpassed him by far in 4 months and all he did was beat one guy half to death every day.

Frieza's potential is higher than Cell's. The only real fight Frieza ever had was one extended session where he had no time to heal and learn from it.
Cell had the most oppurtunities out of any villian to grow in power. Even Goku and Vegeta, Gohan and Krillin in Namek put together didn't get as much chances to get stronger than Cell did. And we saw how drastically they grew in power.

How does that not count as "training"? He had actual fights that he learned from that he could go all out on. He had fights where he exhausted himself and got the shit beat out of him. He literally had the biggest zenkai boosts that you could possibly get twice.

And all Frieza had to do was train a little to be more powerful than him.

How come Goku has never revived Raditz? You'd figure he'd try to give his own brother a chance

>>389381824
Is that supposed to be a good thing? Yamcha is one of the last reminder of the times when this series was still good.

>>389381949
All I'm doing is offering an explanation. If you are going to dismiss it with DOOD ITS JUST A GAG MANGA then target the fucks who made a big deal out of the regeneration in the first place

>>389382003
Hahahahahaha

>>389382003
Because Raditz is like a Sayan Yamcha. No one cares about him. Now Nappa definitely deserved a second chance.

>>389362718
>generic looking

What was "generic looking" back in the 90s when the story was out?

>>389382242
Well he has an ssj beard in video games now

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>>389381950
>Boss fights you in a giant mech
>After the mech is destroyed he fights you by himself
>HE'S STRONGER WITHOUT IT

>>389382003
>be part of a dying race
>don't bring back your own flesh and blood brother and give him a chance to redeem himself even though you've given worse people a second chance

Goku is retarded and doesn't care about his family.

>>389381996
>getting zenkai boosts
Cell only got one Zenkai.

>And he absorbed Goku's cells too.
No he didn't. He was made with Goku's Cell's, he didn't absorb anything related to Goku.

>And base Frieza surpassed him by far in 4 months and all he did was beat one guy half to death every day.
No, he trained.

>He had fights where he exhausted himself and got the shit beat out of him.
You mean the Gohan fight?

>How does that not count as "training"? He had actual fights that he learned from that he could go all out on
Which is exactly why Future Gohan is weak. Just because you go all out every day doesn't mean jack shit. Fighting itself isn't training when it's a deathmatch.

So if you can wish for anything from the Super Dragon Balls. Can you wish your universe can't get deleted or to take away the litttle dude's powers?

>>389382337
He doesn't care about one of his oldest friends getting cucked by a treacherous thot either. Sayans are animals, they only care about fighting and killing.

>>389382367
Well, the Super Dragonballs exist between two universes and Zeno has dominion over them all.
I'm going to say no because the regular balls can't do shit to people stronger than they are.

>the most interesting guy on Universe 7 is Frieza
>still haven't seen him do anything
Lame

>>389382367
Your universe isn't deleted if you can the Super Dragon Ball anyway since it means you won.

Also Goku will wish for the universes to come back anyway so the tournament is pointless

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>>389382591
He did this though

>>389382723
Does this mean frieza's gay?

>>389381996
>And all Frieza had to do was train a little to be more powerful than him.
All the writers had to do is asspull like they've been doing all of Super. These arguments are so retarded because it's up to the writers, nothing matters. They can make up what ever reason for characters to get stronger. Frieza is absolutely getting the nostalgia bump because of his simplistic design, nothing else.

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>>389382808

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>>389381519
>He obviously wasn't disintegrated then.
He clearly was given that the body parts that fly off of him here are nowhere to be seen later on.
And don't even try and bring that bullshit about the cells dropping back down either because he was flung back. If those cells still existed they would be floating in space.

>>389381996
>And all Frieza had to do was train a little to be more powerful than him.
Cell could've trained too. Hell they could've used his DNA mash-up to give him some sort of golden super saiyan form if they wanted

>>389374046
>Zap to the extreme

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