How to ACTUALLY fix Sonic

>>389355651
Let it die anon, just let it die

>>389355651
Someone waited to played mania on steam

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>>389355651
It's so easy!

also senoue composed sonic 4. he doesn't know what he's fucking doing.

>>389355651
>>Never make a 2D (unless it's a Advance or Rush sequel) game again

Those are literally the only good games

>>389356693
No they aren't you stupid piece of shit. Way to be a blind sheep. Though it's better that you're like this desu. It makes me enjoy those masterpieces all the more.

>>389356559
nah senoue is a musical genius.

>>389356831

trying too hard, almost got me

Make sonic adventure again and get rid of fucking boost.

>>389355651
>Never make a 2D (unless it's a Advance or Rush sequel) game again
Man fuck off sonic team i know it's you

>>389356831
>Way to be a blind sheep. Though it's better that you're like this desu. It makes me enjoy those masterpieces all the more.
literally admitting to being a contrarian

fact: the only reason people defend boost2win is because of muhmentum making your character control worse, because it gives them a nostalgia fix from the 2d games

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>>389355651
>Cancel Sonic Boom
Fuck you and the horse you rode in on

>give Sonic four branches of games: digital 2D classic games by the Mania team, modern handheld titles by Dimps, 3D games by Sonic Team and spinoffs by whoever
>get rid of the "only Sonic should be playable" mentality, multiple characters themselves weren't the problem, their gameplay was
>figure out a way to handle Sonic's speed in 3D satisfyingly without having to spend precious dev-time making mile-long levels to compensate
>give the Mania team more dev-time and a larger budget for their next projects
>let Sonic Team work on things besides Sonic for once

>>389355651
Fuck off, underage faggot.

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>>389355651
What makes this post funnier is that there HAS to be someone out there who honestly believes doing these things will help Sonic, instead of making it vastly worse.

>Stop rehashing old, only focus on new
>Never make a 2D (unless it's a Advance or Rush sequel) game again
>3D momentum based game play with good, coherent and focused level design
>An OCCASIONAL boost game here and there, only if it's as good as Unleashed
>Delete or completely overhaul all social media accounts
>Cancel Sonic Boom
>Sega turns like Nintendo and ethnically cleanses the internet of all the shitty fan games and hacks

3/10 got me to (you) your bait thread

How to fix Sonic:
>Continue using the retro engine for classic 2D games
That's it, Sonic is saved

>>389357327
Shit like this is why sonic boom is fucking garbage. Who the fuck likes this? Children don't. So what's left then? Ugly fat tasteless manchildren. Yeah we wouldn't lose much by cancelling this piece of shit show.

>>389355651
Sonic is for autist any fix will end up screeching autist.

Or make sonic full autist monotone stages,repetitive music, over simplistic story and over emotional characters and sonic full spinning autist.

>>389357430
>let Sonic Team work on things besides Sonic for once
Aren't they also working on Puyo Puyo?

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>>389357569
>children don't like dank hot fresh memes
You've fortunately never met a child
They spend all thier time watching five nights at freddies sfms

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>>389357534
AGREED

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I know exactly how.

>>389357186
I'm only a contrarian at this point is because autistic manchildren that think their say in anything matters have alienated the people with good taste(me). I honestly couldn't care though. It assures me that I have elder god tier taste and that I can see through bullshit.

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>>389359027
THIS TRIGGERS ME REEEE

Any game that has people like Chris Chan in its fanbase isn't worth playing.

>>389359027
Oh god, what the hell is that hideous thing?

>>389355651
A few of your points are absolutely right, OP.
>>Stop rehashing old, only focus on new
True. Stop obsessing over the lame old Adventure Sonic when the new game Mania's official art looks perfect already. Make this the default Sonic.
>>3D momentum based game play with good, coherent and focused level design
This is true. Something like Utopia's gameplay, with tight, layered 3D levels.
>>Multiple characters
Gotta have the main three. Maybe an occasional new 4th character, but don't let them wear out their welcome.

Sonic level design is not very well-suited for 3D.

This post was definitely made by an autistic guy. Sonic has non-autistic fans, but OP's desire for edgy shit and hatred of Sonic Boom is a clear indicator

>>389359612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ak3ebBep0

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>>389359684
t. classic cuck
You're fucking cancerous. Fucking piece of shit. Pic related is god tier. Mania fucking sucks and really is a rom hack at the end of the day.

>>389359713
THPS3 and THPS4 would be good inspiration for a 3D Sonic. Sonic in 3D should have multiple objectives per level like that, but unlike those games it should also have a clear beginning and end of the levels.

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>>389359887
Mania is a modern game. You posted artwork that's like 18 years old.

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How to ACTUALLY FOR REAL fix Sonic
>Let Taxman and his team keep doing there thing, use a percentage of Sonic Mania 1's sales to fund 2, 2's sales to fund 3, cap it off at a trilogy
>Milk autists for money with low quality boostshit games since they'll never be able to tell the difference in quality anyway
>Use the autist money to fund Jet Set Radio 3 and Sonic All Stars Racing 3 , other Sega IPs that need to see the light of day again
There's no better course of action for Sega to take. Debate me

>>389359797
Edgy in your face shit is what Sonic is at it's very core. If you don't like that then you don't like this series. Stop sitting here and taking up space in this already cancerous horrendous fanbase with your fat, autistic, ugly nigger ass and fuck off. Sonic Boom is a piece of shit btw. Literally a shitty sitcom with sonic characters stapled onto it.

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>>389359887
Nobody likes adventure deal with it

>>389359887
>Adventurefags will literally never stop being butthurt

>>389360075
Mania is uninspired, boring and shallow. It's not as good as the classics anyway. It's actually just above Sonic Dash desu.

Unleashed was fun and comfy as fuck I don't mind the Werefuck at all except Eggmanland's

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>>389360127
Maybe throw in a remake or sequel to this. I would love it if the Mania team worked on it.

>>389360127
>autist thinking that other autists aren't the ones who screech autistically the most about shit nobody pays attention to

>>389360581
this game was fun had like powerstone/custom robo type battles

>>389360581
Mania team would fuck it up beyond belief.

>>389355651
>Never make a 2D game again
Not even worth reading anymore

>>389360623
Yeah but they still buy it anyway

>>389355651
Utopia has the core mechanics down perfectly honestly. All it needs is the creativity of Mania and it could be a 10/10 game.

Also you forgot:
>Stop cramming 2D sections in every 3D game for fucks sake

>>389360796
How? It wasn't technologically advanced for the time.

R E M O V E B O O S T

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>>389360581
>Uses low poly 3D models like Sonic the Fighters or Mania's special stages
>Draws heavy inspiration from Sonic the Fighters, brings back Bark Nack and Fang
>As well as making an effort to classicfy and deautism a handful of modern characters like Emerl, Chaos, E 102, Cream, Tikal, Blaze, maybe Shadow and Rogue
Fucking SOLD

>Sonic games have had mixed reception at best, ever since Adventure 1
>irredeemable pieces of shit like Shadow, 06, and Boom make it the laughing stock of the industry, despite Colors, Generations, (day stages) Unleashed, and to a lesser extent Lost World showing signs of promise
>Mania comes out, objectively best Sonic game in over two decades because it succeeds in emulating the core Genesis-era games to a T.
>OP still thinks 2D is shit, and 3D Sonic is the way to go

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>>389359843
Oh god what the fuck

>>389361275
Nack & Fang are the same character.
You meant one of those to be Bean, right?

>>389361275
>classicfy
What the fuck is wrong with you, are so stuck up your own ass you'll want to force classic style on every fucking game?

>>389361283
Actually Sonic Adventure 2 and Sonic Advance tied or beat Sonic Mania when it comes to critic ratings and sales.

So it isn't objectively the best Sonic game in 2 decades.

>>389361463
Adventure 2 is shit, though. Adventure 1 is a better game overall, and even that is mediocre.

>>389361567
But it isn't shit if you are talking objectively.

>>389361283
Fuck the majority opinion on Sonic games. There are people out there who have never played them and just spout the same fucking tired opinions that shitty e-celebs and shitty reviewers spout. And the actual opinions themselves are fucking retarded, non-sensical and asinine. Games like Unleashed are masterpieces but people don't give it the time of day because of muh werehog. Fucking idiots
>>OP still thinks 2D is shit, and 3D Sonic is the way to go
I don't think 2D is shit, just that it's beyond retarded to go back to the basics like these autistic pieces of shit always say. I think the classics are great games and that Mania is shitty and is nowhere near as good as them.

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For any type of Sonic game to work correctly in level design, you need to take in longevity, condension, and space. A trifecta of perfect balance makes a great level to play through.

3D Sonic in sprawling, wide, big spaces doesn't work if levels are linear. 2D Sonic in spacious mazes of levels can be like puzzles, and too much space between stage objects can cause it to feel empty.

Dimps overuses the key term of speed, which is why people make fun of them. Gamecube Sonic games were fun but also fucking long because of their longevity(15 minutes to finish Hang Castle, or Frog Forest). Fan games can get it right, but only if they take these into consideration.

To fix Sonic, you have to control the balance of longevity, condension and space. Too much or too little throws the stage off.

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>>389361458
Literally nothing but good can come from turning the entire series towards the classic aesthetic

>>389361567
Sonic Adventure 2 is literally the best 3D Sonic game. It needed some fixing but it was overall great. The first two sonic stages and pumpkin hill for examples are absolutely fantastic, Among the best stages in the series.

Mania's a solid 9/10. When was the last time a Sonic game was that good?

>>389361891
Won't that just confuse people when they are suddenly seeing the classic designs take hold in the later games and having Classic Sonic start talking?

>>389362464
Generations.

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>Sonic the Fighters sequel
>Sonic R 2
>SegaSonic 2
Bam, franchise saved.

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>>389361891
Literally nothing but bad can come from turning the series towards classic aesthetics**
FTFY
>>389362486
Don't try and make sense with a classic cuck. They are delusional, dumb fucks, and far detached from reality to ever say something of worth

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>>389361891
this desu

>>389362516
That's an 8/10 AT BEST.

>>389362778
Sonic Colors
Sonic Advance is definitely a 9/10

>>389362771
Holy fuck that design looks stupid.

>>389362464
>>389362516
>>389362778
>>389362884
Sonic Advance is a 7.5/10
Colors is a 1/10
Generations is a 5/10
Mania is a 2/10

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>>389362464
There was a 10/10 game with him in it this decade

>>389363087
Sonic Advance has higher sales.

>>389363087
>Colors is a 1/10
>Generations is a 5/10
>Mania is a 2/10
Care to explain why?

>>389362884
>Sonic Advance is definitely a 9/10
Last good Sonic game before Mania, and the best Sonic game since Triple Trouble.

adventure is garbage
adventure 2 is even worse with 2/3rds of the levels being either knuckles hide and seek stages or shitty robot stages

>>389361567
That's wrong though.

3 gameplay styles > 30 gameplay styles

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>>389362959
Could be worse

>>389363187
Colors marked the beginning of the end. The start of dull, mediocre and shallow titles for Sonic because Sega was retarded enough to listen to the "fans". I can't even begin to state all of the terrible decisions made by Sega starting from then. But regarding your question; Colors is so boring and shitty. Coming from Unleashed it was like eating at a top tier all you can eat buffet to a shitty dark restaurant in a alley in bum fuck nowhere. Everything about that game is forgettable and uninspired, it also brought in the wisps. Generations is a little better but nothing special. Mania is a entirely unnecessary rom hack made by a hack from Sonic Retro. It rehashes old zones, it rehashes the blue sphere stages and what's original of the game isn't all that spectacular either. Really makes me wonder what the point of that game is anyway.

>>389364339
That blaze is ten times better though?

>>389364419
food analogy

>>389364419
It's okay anon, you can stop memeing about how GOAT Unleashed was, what with only 40% of it actually playing kinda like a Sonic game. We all know that Colors is much better and did a better job of fleshing out the boost stages.

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>>389355651
>Stop rehashing old, only focus on new
They've BEEN doing this, this is why they've never refined any of their concepts in the recent 10+ years
>Never make a 2D (unless it's a Advance or Rush sequel) game again
Fuck you
>3D momentum based game play with good, coherent and focused level design
ok
>Multiple characters
as long as they're not OC DONUT STEAL shit like silver
>An OCCASIONAL boost game here and there, only if it's as good as Unleashed
No, just no. This was never needed, it just puts the game on rails. Sonic team needs to actually design a game that doesn't rail the user
>Fire Pontac and Graff, bring back the old writers and make grand and epic stories that's in your face and edgy
ok
>Jun Senoue composing soundtrack
sounds good to me
>Delete or completely overhaul all social media accounts
Nah ur a cunt
>Cancel Sonic Boom
The whole idea should be let go on this I agree, though the cartoon is a good laugh
>Sega turns like Nintendo and ethnically cleanses the internet of all the shitty fan games and hacks
Nah, the fans know better than the company right now. making Sega the only source of their games would be a mistake, especially since they (through your own admittance) dont know what they're doing anymore.

Them listening to autistic cunts like you are why they're flailing in the dark.

>>389364691
I know you guys love those so much.

>>389362690
>classic cuck

go outside virgin

>>389355651
>stop coming up with new bullshit, focus on refining and improving 2D gameplay
>never make another 3D game again, period
>order an additional 5 seasons of the Sonic Boom animated series
FTFY

Sonic was never good, the 2D games are a lesson in how not to design levels and the 3D games are about as clipping your toenails

The 90s radicool character designs and personalities are also shit tier and only autists can identify with them

Sometimes the music is ok but only the instrumental tracks, all the vocal Crush 40 buttrock sounds like garbage you'd hear on the "alt rock" radio station in 2003

I will never understand what anyone sees in Sonic

>>389365163
t. Mariofag

>>389365163

> Not liking final battles on the edge of space with buttrock guitar riffing

N O F U N

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>>389364419
You realise by calling Mania a "romhack" you're actually complimenting the dev team who made the engine, right?

>>389365163
Even Crush40 is better than *bing* bing* WAHOO *1-up*

>>389364828
>>Stop rehashing old, only focus on new
>They've BEEN doing this
No they haven't you fucking idiot. After 2010 it's been nothing but le "going back to roots" meme. You see it in Generations, you see it in Lost World, albeit very poorly, you see it in Mania and you see it in fucking Forces.
>Nah, the fans know better than the company right now.
I do agree that Sega are pants-on-head retarded right now and that they don't know what the fuck they're doing, but the fans are worse. They're almost always delusional classic cucks making shitty uninspired 2d rom hacks that only other deluded classic cucks can enjoy. I look at these shitty romhacks like Robo Blast 2 or Utopia and just scoff and roll my eyes.
>Them listening to autistic cunts like you are why they're flailing in the dark.
They're listening to autistic pieces of shit like you, classic cucks and video game reviewers. That's why we got a garbage rom hack like Mania.
Also the show for Sonic Boom is shitty as fuck too. Watching that show is a complete and utter waste of my time. It's shit.

>>389355651
>Stop rehashing old, only focus on new
>Never make a 2D (unless it's a Advance or Rush sequel) game again

the main sonic games should be fully 3d, no shitty 2d gameplay shoehorned in.

2d spin offs or throwbacks like rush and mania are perfectly fine.

>3D momentum based game play with good, coherent and focused level design
>Multiple characters
>An OCCASIONAL boost game here and there, only if it's as good as Unleashed

yes. but the additional characters shouldn't have drastically different gameplay styles.

>Fire Pontac and Graff, bring back the old writers and make grand and epic stories that's in your face and edgy

I can understand why people would disagree with this, but I fucking love it when sonic games have more cinematic stories like unleashed and adventure, so sure

>Jun Senoue composing soundtrack
sure

>Delete or completely overhaul all social media accounts
>Cancel Sonic Boom
>Sega turns like Nintendo and ethnically cleanses the internet of all the shitty fan games and hacks

i think I've been successfully baited

>>389365454
When I call Mania a romhack, I mean that in the most condescending way possible. I don't see it as a real game made by a real dev, I see it as a band of faggots that got lucky enough to take reigns to make a game with a official brand.

>>389365872
"going back to roots" is better than the "lol literally just hold a button and make a flick of the controller every other minute" games that you modernfags enjoy so much.

>>389355651
Are there any other franchises that went through an entire teenager stage?

>>389366091
It's a sad state of affairs when the "band of faggots" are better at making videogames than actual official developers.

>>389366194
Try doing that in Unleashed you wouldn't last a minute lol

>>389366440
You're right because Unleashed isn't a Sonic game, it's a shitty halfbaked beat 'em up.

>>389359612
It's vulnerable.

>>389366357
how are they better when they're reusing and rehashing the same shit that those same developers made you fucking dumbass?

>>389366534
Unleashed is indeed a Sonic game, you're just a fucking idiot m8 idk what else to tell you.

>>389366603
Guess they must just be pretty talented, enough to recreate games that Sega couldn't hope to for two fucking decades.

>>389366783
>Copying and rehashing shit is talent
You are mindbogglingly retarded. Off yourself brainlet. Do not reproduce

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>>389366603
They're better at reusing and rehashing than Sega.

>>389361882
...Nobody wants to debate this?

>>389355651
sonic fags more like sonic virgins lmao

>how to fix sonic
>just make the games good

wow, op, you really cracked the code

>>389367805
HOLY FUCK
ETERNALLY BTFO

>>389355651
>inb4 a game that takes place entirely in Green Hill Zone

>>389360446
>t. never played the classics

>>389359843
A+ art student with shitty lifeless ideas designed not to win the most profits or create memorable content but to grab the most friends on instagram

>>389368174
I have the Sonic Mega Collection for gamecube. I played the shit out of them as a kid. You're a faggot.

>>389355651
Sonic Adventure 1 Dreamcast aesthetics and music with the gameplay of Sonic Utopia. Also no dialogue. The perfect 3D Sonic game.

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>op

>>389355651
Has there ever been a good 3D sonic game?

>>389359843
This video is actually fantastic. All his points (except the redesign) are valid and would make for a great Sonic game.

The redesign is atrocious, but if you remove that from the video and keep everything else, it looks fantastic!

>>389368494
That's shitty and uninspired. Nonlinear level design doesn't automatically equal good dumb ass.
>no dialogue
end yourself

>>389355651
No, no, no.
DOING IT WRONG
>Stop rehashing old, focus on new level themes that are interesting and exciting (i.e Mirage Saloon train level, Press Garden's tv station)
>Stay 2D, but use hand drawn graphics instead of pixels to help draw in new blood to the series a la Sonic 2 HD
>Sonic, Tails, Knuckles, Amy as unlock for shits n giggles
>No boostshit, no homing attack, keep drop dash and insta shield and map them to different buttons (A for insta shield, B for Drop Dash, X for Super Transformation), bring back Peel out permanently.
>Tee Lopes becomes official composer
>PagodaWest/HeadCannon/Whitehead become 'Sonic Team' so to speak
>3 choices for Sonic's voice, Roger Craig Smith with a slightly higher pitch, Jaleel White (AoSTH or SatAM as you might remember) or OVA Sonic (My personal favourite but I know alot of people don't like him). Knuckles and tails keep their current VA.
>Mike Pollock reprises his role as classic Robotnik/Eggman with the same writing he got in Generations (not quite fucking crazy but still mad)
>Overhaul Social Media
>Cancel Boom, but keep the writers around for a classic sonic cartoon (Call it Sonic Mania or something to tie in to the recent classic game) and keep the dank memes from Boom cuz that shit's hilarious. Use the Tyson Hesse style or the Toei Sonic CD intro style.
>Sega releases Sonic Maker for all systems
>???
>Profits coming in like fucking gangbusters

You cannot fucking refute this plan.

>>389368856
The fact that you have to ask proves that you're braindead.

>Get the Sonic Boom show writers to write the game
>Sonic and friends fighting Eggman
>Nothing else
>No character redesigns
>Go farther with the Dragonball references
>Have Shadow really be the Vegeta of Sonic
>Have Knuckles really be Piccolo

Fixed.

>>389359909
Have you ever played Tony Hawk's Downhill Jam? Its kind of like that and i remember it being fun

>unleashed and colors' terrible framerates
Who the fuck thought that was acceptable for fast-paced 3D platformers, were they insane? Maybe I'll give them another shot if they get next-gen/PC ports, but no way am I subjecting myself to that anytime soon

>>389368856
I thought Colors and Generations were both good, 2D sections aside. Unleashed was like 20% fun.

>>389367036
Which is why Chemical Plant and Green Hill are back in Forces, right? Kill yourself autist.

>>389369070
Awful, awful ideas. Please purge yourself

>>389355651
>>Never make a 2D (unless it's a Advance or Rush sequel) game again
Fuck off adventure/boost shitter

>>389369892
Did I say that was a good thing you stupid piece of shit? Go neck yourself dumb fuck

>>389369983
2D is fucking garbage in today's world. Mario doesn't make shitty le retro back to roots! xD meme games so why should Sonic? Eat shit you fucking nigger

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>bait thread has over 100+ replies
sasuga /v/

>>389370304
new super mario bros 1/2/wii/u

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>>389370304
>>389370304
>>389370304
lol

>>389370424
Those are decent games that use new level designs even if the level themes are similar.

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>>389365872
>hating on based Boom
t. triggered lefty

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>>389359887
>Mania fucking sucks and really is a rom hack at the end of the day.
And this is why you adventurecucks will never get your sequel. You're all so ungrateful and nostalgia fueled. I grew up with the adventure games too, played the classics. They are better games. Get over it. Maybe if you were polite, talented, hard working and nice like Taxman and Stealth, you'd all stop posting about your glorious 2000s games and go outside from your mom's basement for once.

>>389367727
Very few people on /v/ actually want to actively debate and discuss videogames, they're far more comfortable just firing off single sentence shitposts and copypasted greentext lists without ever expecting a real reply if anything, not that you shouldn't keep trying since there's still some people that actually want to talk about videogames and it can only improve the quality of the board.
With that said you're correct in saying that a good level requires a strong amount of focus and cohesion while being in tune with Sonic's abilities, though I'd say the Advance games accomplished that well on top of elevating a lot of the core concepts in the later games, and while it's been a long time I don't remember those Heroes levels ever taking me quite that long, but they at least had much to do and new obstacles for the whole level. There is a point when a level can become too big or too cluttered, but if those aspects are balanced then bigger levels can indeed be present, although it needs all the other elements in tune as you say. It's a bit like Sonic 1 having three acts as opposed to two in the later games which was mainly superior, while Advance 3 pulled it off fine.

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>>389370863
>he thinks I care about politics

>>389367727
>bait thread
>expecting legitimate discussion
Hey pal I think you got the wrong board.

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>>389355651

>FLAWLESS 2D SONIC GAME COMES OUT AFTER ALL THE BITCHING AND CRYING
>SONIC MANIA GIVES FANS EVERYTHING THEY WANTED
>SEE THREADS ABOUT AUTIST ACTUALLY COMPLAIN THAT SONIC AND KNUCKLES SHADES OF BLUE AND RED ARE TO LIGHT
>SEE THIS THREAD
>MUH DENUVO

Sonic is officially the most pathetic fan base i have ever seen on this shit site!

You guys are even worse than Zelda fags with the fucking lore.
Sonic Mania is a good Sonic and game and is the best sonic game since the Advance series and Adventure 1.

Why cant you just enjoy the fucking game you FUCKING AUTIST!

>>389371654
I can 100% guarantee he either does enjoy it or isn't a Sonic fan and thus is indifferent to it. In any case he's shitposting and creating bait threads for his own amusement.

>>389371326
>You're all so ungrateful and nostalgia fueled
But that's literally what you classic fans are you fucking delusional retard. For years and years while Sonic Team were innovating and constantly moving the series forwards and doing great things you autistic pieces of fucking shit were screeching and bitching and whining for a shitty le back to roots game. Well in 2010 they finally listened to you retards, and the series hasn't been worse since. People like to call 2004-2009 the dark ages but we're quite literally going through one right now. Sonic doesn't have a clear adherent identity like he used to. Shitty dull game after shitty dull game, terrible decision after terrible decision, awful marketing, the catastrophe that was Boom, etc.. Fucking fat autistic virgin NEETs like you ruined the Sonic franchise with their horrendous tastes.

>>389362649
ooh this is charming. Needs some work but I'd play.

>>389371635
>>389371942
>it's bait if i don't agree with it!

>>389372267
>aa where my edge story about hedge hogs
wait for forces you dumbass

>>389370304
>2D is fucking garbage in today's world.
There is literally nothing wrong with 2d so long as the game has actual quality to it and isn't a shitty indie 2 deep 4u piece of shit

>>389370826
So like Sonic Mania then?

>>389371378
Thank you. Thank you for giving me a detailed response, honestly.

>>389371635
>bait thread
>fell for it

Well I'm fucking stupid. Should I make a new thread?

>>389372614
I didn't debate your original response because if you took 15 fucking minutes in Hang Castle you just fucking suck. And again
>it's bait if I don't agree with it!

>>389360952
What do you mean not advanced, it's on the gameboy advance

>>389372614
There's a thread for Mania up right now with chill discussion it in, just go there. Won't link it here in the hopes that the shitposter in this one is too stupid to use the catalog and migrate there.

>>389373192
>A brainlet calling anyone else stupid
Top kek. Also it's time to shit that one up!

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>>389356831
Holy shit you are trying so hard I think you are doing it on purpose

>>389374789
trying so hard to tell the truth you mean?

>>389364339
>matchsticks blaze
lel

I don't understand why people hate Sonic for becoming what the original developers always intended. At least with the adventure titles.

>>389375783
way to prove his point

>>389366091
Then make one youreself, baiter.

>>389377241
the people in this cancerous fanbase are delusional and retarded. who knew?