Devs don't understand

>>389354891
VR without hand presence is actually pretty underwhelming aside from stuff like flight sims.

>>389355260
>VR is actually pretty underwhelming

>>389356991
said no one that's actually tried it.

>>389356991
t. poorfag who knows a lot about VR due to having read posts about it on a Vietnamese rice paper forum

>>389354891
Holy shit this a thousand times
I don't care about muh motion controls, just give me DECENT GAMES TO PLAY AND STOP THE "TELEPORTING TO MOVE AROUND" BULLSHIT FOR FUCKS SAKE

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>>389354891
This. I was promised the left. I wanted to be able to play my immersive 1st person RPGs in VR for the comfy level and to be able to look at my surroundings. I wanted to play my flight simulators or flight arcade games and look around the cockpit and out the window. I wanted to play my strategy games in a mode where a virtual monitor was in front of my with statistics and information all around like a HUD. I wanted games to be designed with this in mind as a side feature.

I didn't want 15723 shovelware VR """Experiences""" where I have to buy an expensive setup, move my furniture and use wiimotes to shoot at things. Fuck this. This is not what we were promised

>WAHHHHHHH WAHHHHHH BUT PEOPLE GET MOTION SICKNESS BECAUSE INNER EAR PROBLEMS
Put a fucking warning label instead of letting a few people with a weak stomach ruin it for everyone

fuck yeah couch skiing

>>389358226
>STOP THE "TELEPORTING TO MOVE AROUND" BULLSHIT
Don't they have to do that to avoid giving people motion sickness? Really until the MS problem gets solved, VR will remain unviable for making actual video games.

Never experienced Vive or Oculus yet, but I went to Six Flags a few weeks ago, and they offered a version of that column ride (the one where you just rise up in the air, and it just suddenly drops you down) with Samsung Galaxy VR. With the VR, it makes you feel like you're in a helicopter swaying side to side, even though in reality, you're just dropping straight down. I was impressed how, despite the graphics being shit, it still felt immersive.

>>389358648
Motion sickness depends on the person. Most vr games now give the option for trackpad locomotion or some abiltiy to use your arms to move for those who are resistant to it.

>>389356991
Elite Dangerous with VR is sugoi as heck desu ne.

>>389358425
That girl is perfection, post more of her

the only i'd want in vr is porn
preferably a futa fucking my face

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>>389358425

>>389360334
>"You have proven yourself being resistant to GREAT MOTION SICKNESS", here's your legs

>>389354891
Why limit to one or the other? Choice is good.

>>389358648
Most people grow over it.
Around 20% never do though.
Serious sam vr is the first full vr game that lets you pick what ever controls you want for walking

yeah, I just want to play like I usually do but with a VR headset
its not that hard damn it

I'm gonna wait on vr until it's a pod you lay in like in my korean web novels

>>389354891
Problem is:

VR gets a lot better with touch controls. On top of that, having actual movement in VR with lots of depth changes can cause a lot of Motion sickness. This keeps me from playing Subnautica for more than 10 minutes.

>>389358648
>Don't they have to do that to avoid giving people motion sickness?
Teleporting around isn't the only way.
It's so prevalent because the cheap indie fags churning out the tech demo garbage can't be bothered to try something else or look for other solutions.
Eagle Flight and RE7 had other methods implemented (limiting FOW during sharp turns and stuff like that, detailed in some of the devs interviews) and loads of options you could mess with till you were comfortable with the 'non teleport' motion.
>>389354891
Left is boring and right is exaggerated as fuck.

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>>389354891
Controllers other than gamepads can do wonders for immersion.
Look at the picture.
Shit looks awful, like some plumber in love with Move controller designed it but when you try it in game where it's properly implemented you'll notice the difference.
You aim by actually aligning sights.
You can look through scope, not because you pressed the designated ZOOM button but because you moved your sniper rifle's scope close to your face.
Want to switch weapons? Hang it on your shoulder and pick another.
Beats remote / wand / normal controller any day.

>>389356991
>VR games are pretty underwhelming
VR is fine as is, most of the games are lame though.

>>389360334
>Motion sickness depends on the person
Considering it's roughly 80% of people that are affected by VR motion sickness I'd say your statement is misleading or even dishonest

>>389362651
>VR is fine as is

Needs better resolution per eye and proper infinity focus, which would solve a lot of motion sickness issues and improve flight sims enormously by allowing jetplanes to be rendered and visible beyond an average man's pissing distance.

>>389362796
Just take that pill parents gave you before longer car trips so you wouldn't vomit all over the fake leather.

>>389358648
>>389360334
It's really strange, I throw up a lot, I get car sick too

But I am 100% resistant to vr sickness

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>>389357481
Said most people who have tried it in my experience

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>>389354891
YOU don't understand

>>389363518
>in my experience

Your experience is incredibly limited compared to the entire industry. Most people who try VR are enthralled by it.

>>389363518
whenever i demo the rift off to my friends it blows their mind.

>>389363518
did you try desktop VR, vive/rift, or shitty mobile VR

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>>389363579
>combining simulators, waifus and VR technology into one single game

NO, YOU FOOL

IT'S TOO POWERFUL

VR was a mistake.

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>>389363908
IT'S TOO LATE
DON'T CALL IT A GRAVE, IT'S THE FUTURE YOU CHOSE

Resposting

>on the path to making anime real

have 2D art in 3D world
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SMDLnC-cMU

speech generation of anyone from learning of 60 second sample
>https://www.theverge.com/2017/4/24/15406882/ai-voice-synthesis-copy-human-speech-lyrebird

generate character art with certain properties and some randomness
>http://make.girls.moe/

create 3D face model from single image
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u9UUWqVquXo


using AR/VR tech to visually modify what we see and transport us to illusory worlds that could be anime
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIPfpGCxONQ

using VR hardware to become an anime character
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ne7a6uMRdHs
>http://www.moguravr.com/udatan/

imposing visuals of anime characters onto real life posable figures using AR and VR (imagine this on a human sized doll/robot, or an actual human subject)
>http://www.mcf.cn/ocumarion/
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cJ7XOBhB1i0

first VR equivalent of a VN
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNkLA2yfpA

piloting an anime mecha in VR
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6jtb4CIQaGs

being a super sayan in VR
>https://www.roadtovr.com/dragon-ball-z-vr-action-go-super-saiyan-bandai-namcos-shinjuku-vr-zone-arcade/

>>389364223
>have 2D art in 3D world
This is impressive as fuck.

I know what I want Supergiant games to do eventually when their current engine becomes outdated

>>389363626
Most people who watch Rick & Morty are enthralled by it.
Most people are fucking retarded.

>>389363910
People thought cars were a mistake too when they were first publicly available.

>>389365440
*tips fedora* not like us, bro, not like us

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>>389365440
>not liking rick and morty
Show us on the doll where the bad man touched you, anon.

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>>389365629
Cars were legitimately a mistake.

>>389365813
Reddit likes it therefore I do not. I'm not a cuck, it's that simple.

>>389354891
Yes for goods sake! Nintendo and all the other gimmick snake-oil salesman should get it in their thick, fucking heads that the control pad is here to stay. So back the fuck off with all that useless garbage and keep the controller the one and only input device for the foreseeable future.

>>389366005
Reddit likes 4chan.

>>389366005
If Reddit drinks water, would you stop drinking water?

>>389367958
I don't drink water already.

>>389365813
>liking Rick and Morty
it's the television equivalent of dangling keys in front of your face

>>389367958
Enjoy your xenoestrogens

>>389365826
>I'll just post this literally who whining about construction by using negative adjectives.

>>389368159
Then you're dead. Or will be within 2 days.

>>389368285
>Then you're dead. Or will be within 2 days.
oh come on soda wont kill you that fast

>>389368375
Soda is sugar water with a lot other crap in it. It's still water (mostly).

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>>389368285
The who is unimportant, urban sprawl speaks for itself.

>>389368621
That's what (((they))) want you to believe.

>>389356991
>things you'll never hear from anyone who actually tried it

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>>389368624
Is there a reason for this?

>>389365629
They most certainly were. We are still recovering from several decades of Leaded Gasoline pollutants causing higher lead concentrations in humans from simply breathing the air.
Cheap and efficient trolley systems in many cities were deprecated and more or less shut down because of car manufacturers forcing their way into replacing them with awful cars. Trains are totally screwed.

>>389369363

yes

>>389355260
resident evil 7 is easily the best vr game out so far and it only uses a ds4

>>389369363
man do you want motherfuckers do drive past your house all the time ?

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>>389369363
Yes.
Gates are used to bar entry to places. They can be opened so you can pass through as you please. They're like your own personal border wall checkpoint.

>>389369363
Somebody just made a mistake when playing Cities Skylines.

>>389369363
Forces residents to take the main throughfare and is an extra little fuck you to pedestrians
Was probably only opened for construction crews during development

>>389364152
I read that as angry shiet, lol.

>>389365813
>wubalubadub get schwifty *burp* Get schwifty shit on the floor, Mr. poopy butthole, g-god's not real morty PICKLE RIIIIIIIIIICK

>Autistic morty voice actor screeching

Can't believe people like this. Glad on tv everybody makes fun of this shit.

>>389370145
>/tv/ pedophile thinks his tastes are any better

Every time I think 4chan has reached a new low, /tv/ always reminds me it can get lower still.

>>389369823
Is there a reason there's no tarmac?

>>389369781
I would definitely trade that for having to drive to the next county and back just to get home.

>>389368624
why that shape tho?

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>VR porn featuring young slim girls
>zoom out the video a bit
>girls suddenly look a few years younger

>>389356991
>this
I bought a vive a while ago and after playing all the games i have for it it got kind of boring. Now the only time i really set it up is when i gave company over.

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>>389370145
>thinking anyone on an anime image board has worthwhile opinions on anything.

still in that moral panic huh anon?

>>389370601
They look further away.

>>389355260
I have one and I only cared about the screen quality improving.

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Why did VR fail to go mainstream? Why is HTC selling off Vive? Why did Sony close the cambridge VR studio?

>>389371267
The world is not ready for VR.

>>389371267
too expensive for mainstream yet.

>>389371267
The technology just isn't there yet.

Like in the 90's I remember putting on a $10.000 VR suit and it sucked but I thought "this really has some potential"

Nowadays it's exactly the same. I only think "this really has some potential but it's not there yet".

I think it needs 2 big jumps like from the 90s to now before VR becomes a world dominating technology.

So it'll probably be ready in 2040-2060

>>389371084
No shit.

could the motion sickness be because the field of view in game is too low?

seems like it would be

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>>389370601
>VR porn
>girl puts her ass up close to your face
>remember BRAAAAP-posting
>lose my shit really hard
>boner gone
fucking memes ruined cutting-edge fapping for me

>>389355260
Porn, you forgot porn.
i have to try some flight sim on VR though

>>389371267
it's slowly growing up. there is more and more software, sim vidya market loves vr, other "arcade" vr motion controlled vidya is growing up and will get more and more popular soon. chinks are making dk1 clones with steamvr compability, just you wait and they'll develop proper tracking so anyone can get vr for pennies.

It might not be revolution, but it's alive and evolving.

>try VR for the first time at PAX this past weekend
>screen door is still obvious
>field of view sucks
>every game is on rails, teleporty, or fixed in place
>games themselves are gimmicky and lack any depth
>games could be played just as easily with a TV and motion controls
>despite being near sighted and the screen being inches from my face I still need to wear my glasses to offset the VR's own infinity focus lenses, consumer kits do not have swappable lenses

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>>389371570
>90's
I don't remember a push for a consumer market like the one we have right now, save from a few expensive shitty products that only half worked, and of course the more advance stuff from tech demo stands and whatnot.
I don't think the comparison is that similar.

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this game is actually pretty fun and proves that room scale VR is not a gimmick

>>389372792
Really? Feels like a gimmick to me, who can play COD with a controller just fine.

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https://youtu.be/hAn7FI5cdto?t=139

but it has some fun gunk like this.

>>389372937
you have to actually drop mags and pull the slide/bolt on weapons to reload them
you can fire around corners like you would IRL instead of nose-gunning + strafe because the gun isn't attached to your face
throwing grenades and swinging a knife is as intuitive as IRL
you can fuck with other players by pulling mags out of their guns
also arming the bomb requires you to actually punch in the numbers on the screen instead of just holding the use key

it's pretty fun and the community is big enough that you'll always have a full S&D or TDM server to play on

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>>389371267
RP1 is coming to theatres made by Steven Spielberg , VR is still going mainstream.

>>389373738
What is Avatar 3D. 3DTVs are gathering dust right now.

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>>389354891
retard.

>>389371267
remember palmcomputers from the early 2000s? That is what VR is now. We're still waiting for the first "iphone" to come out.

>>389373824
3D movies seem to be more of a theater experience.

>>389373824
because 3d tv had no reason to exist in first place. "3d tv" was like watching relief, meanwhile vr is full-blown 3d pov view with natural head movement. when you play vidya in nvidia 3d gimmick, nothing revolutionary changes. when you play vidya in vr headset, it's entire new game.

i've bought my vr exclusively for sims and i don't regret a thing

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>>389372537
>I don't remember a push for a consumer market like the one we have right now

Well you were dumb and blind at the time, then.
The '90s was so hype for VR that Nintendo thought the Virtual Boy was a good idea.

>>389374681
>implying you can't look around by moving the mouse in nvidia 3D

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>>389354891
this is the reason I never got a Wii

I want to sit on my couch/bed/chair and move only my fingers

not hop around like an idiot

>>389375071
>save from a few expensive shitty products that only half worked
Most of that stuff I remember was really 3D stereo marketed as VR and it was shit even at that, despite being expensive as fuck.
If you know of an actual consumer-level VR set from that era feel free to point out, because aside from tech demo-tier shit I can't think of any, nor any actual software released for it.
Might be a matter of semantics, but I don't think this whole "like in the 90's" thrown around is really a fair comparison, or even real.

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>>389376345
this is the reason you've never got a Wii

>>389371721
porn without hand presence is pretty underwhelming too though

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>>389371267
>Sony close the cambridge VR studio
because htc can handle shit not even phones at this point

and sony isnt cutting anything from vr

"Whilst we accept that this decision will mean that we risk losing high calibre staff, by focusing on other Studios with exciting new projects in development, (including continued work on PlayStation VR)"

hardware is barely a year old and is so niche it should be dead but its so good companies are dumping money into harder then me into a ladyboy. sorry folks. shits good, start saving your mcdonalds paychecks now.

>>389376560
Another anon here but this is correct. That shit in the 90's was nowhere close to VR and whoever said it was were marketers or people who fell for the marketing speak like Microsoft's current effort with "mixed reality" headsets that are really just VR headsets. Obviously the ideas are similar (motion tracking, head mounted displays, etc.) but the tech is way more advanced these days to the point where we can actually call it some form of VR.

And to be clear, how we count something as VR isn't actually that "confusing". The device doesn't simply need to be an attempt at VR, it also needs to achieve a neurological effect wherein the perceptual inputs as a whole produce an effect on the brain that stimulates the sense of geographical location. In other words, human brains constantly perceive the world and have an intuitive "sense" of where we are in it. If the VR device doesn't satisfy enough inputs in the correct way, then it will feel more like a TV floating in front of you. Today's device are good enough that for many moments, the displays feels transparent, activating the neural paths in your brain that sense locality.

>>389372250
what games did you play

>>389377976
Not to mention Oculus. I mean come on just because Facebook can afford it doesn't mean they WOULD. Obviously they like money, so if VR was such a failing market, why are they continuing to announce more games and more software and more hardware? Oculus has announced that their content funding is already for games that will release in 2019.

Then of course we have so many investments from other companies that show only signs of growth. Google, Microsoft, Acer, Asus, LG, Lenovo, Apple, etc are all getting in on the game and making hardware, although some may be more secretive about it.

>>389378275
>mixed reality headsets are just VR headsets

retard alert

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>>389365813

>liking cuck and normie

>>389379427
>t. man who lives under rock

>>389369823
Wrong as fuck. Follow the street, it just goes directly onto a public road that doesn't have a gate at it. There is no purpose for this at all.

>>389380680

It was probably originally a route for construction equipment. It's no doubt been blocked off so people have to use the higher capacity roads to get into the area, rather than all taking a shortcut along the narrower streets.

>15 years ago
Don't sit so close to the tv or you'll hurt your eyes
>now
Dude, strap this thing to your face for a few hours lmao

VR is a meme and a con and will never make it.

>>389381356
>he doesn't understand the actual science behind that advice nor how modern headsets work

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>>389363047
>taking drugs to play video games

>>389381356
>vr is a meme because of a thing my parents told me when i was a kid

>>389365813
It's The Big Bang Theory for people who vocally dislike Big Bang Theory.

>>389364223
Live2D still looks a bit too 3D. It doesn't look enough like my low frame rate anime yet.

>>389382480
>>389381731

Enjoy paying silly amounts of money to play nothing but glorified tech demos or normal games, but closer! and getting eyeball cancer

>>389383480
Is this real? Are people this retarded? Surely people should know how the "don't sit too close to your TV" thing actually worked by now.

>>389364223
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5CNkLA2yfpA
>subs just randomly change to chinese
What the fuck?!

>>389383480
Cringe

>>389356991
>>389357616
Old guy here. Was involved with testing VR back in the 90s. It fucking SUCKED then and it SUCKS JUST AS FUCKING MUCH now.

VR is in a weird place, ussually I can laugh at something like this with abandon just by looking at how much Japan is ignoring and go my marry way, but Japan is kinda looking at VR and trying to see if it can go anywhere with it as well which puts it in a weird place that most fads don't manage to get to, that weird middle ground of maybe going somewhere not completley dead yet because both the west and Japan are doing small stuff with it.

>>389364152
I look at this and start to think the future of VR isn't at home but in arcades, especially in Japan

>>389364152
>Captain are you ready to take off?
>Yeah but we better take care of these enemy robots first

>>389384593
Games are weird in Asia in comparison to the West though. The West is like all about at home play with others on multiplayer, but the East is about hitting up a cafe or arcade and playing together right then and there.

>>389367275
and I hate 4chan, crisis averted.

>>389368624
I can't but think people who think this is a good idea have mental illness, no amount of money is worth this level of madness acceptance.

I tried vive at an architecture exhibition event. It was OK. I remember it getting hot way too fast under the glasses, and I'm a hungry skeleton.

>>389384768
yeah well that's my preference too

>>389384428
>I went to an arcade with a Virtuality machine back in the 90s and it sucked
>I haven't actually tried or even seen the modern headsets in person but they look like the same thing so

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>>389374681#
we are quickly headed towards the end game of "the screen"

>>389363579
Should be one of those boob-controllers in the left hand

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>>389370601
>>389370993
What do I need for good VR porn like what should I buy? Would one of those cheap things I put a smartphone In work?

>>389356991
Fucking this.

VR is a shitty Wii gimmick.

>>389385225
Not him but I also tried one in the 90s. They were huge and the graphics sucked but the concept of it and how it worked is identical to modern VR sets. It's like an old TV and a modern one

>>389354891
Both my flatmates spent over $1500 each getting vives and a few games. They played for 2 weeks and now both of them have the equipment collecting dust in their rooms. Haven't seen them play in months.

VR is a gimmick unless you are into sims.

>>389365813
It's popular so I hate it
Aren't I so sophisticated and intelligent?

>>389368624
thats literally is hell on earth, why do people even move there
its like living in a oven

>>389386075
so are you saying TV sucks and will never catch on or...?

>>389354891
Having tried both left is pretty lame in reality. Having head tracking with minimal consideration to bodily movement makes it pointless as shit. Especially for porn.

>>389386903
I'm saying fundamentally a prototype TV from the 30s is still the same basic idea as a modern tv.

>>389386075
>>389384428
You analysis of something you have never tried is less than worthless. Show a link of what technology you were prototyping so we can analyze it's technological premises. Motion capture technology for example; while attempting to reach the same endgoal, can be radically different. Early rudimentary motion capture control simply calculated differences in colors between frames as motion. Modern motion capture actually creates a 3D skeleton and can thus keep detailed track of a still object.

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>>389368624
>why does this remind me of my city, those mountains look familiar
>it is my city
Every time I see this picture

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>>389386407
>It's popular so I hate it
This statement is logical though.

Anything created for the masses (including the masses of a particular culture) is always doomed to mediocrity.

>>389387672
How do they afford to pay you?

>>389387291
>30's television
nigga television was being developed in the 1800's

what you saw back in the 90's was a technology that got rushed out of the lab while it was still a fetus, then cut down even further to make it able to be mass-produced

right now we are at 1930's era television in the timeline for VR. its already massively better than the first tech, and it's going to get way, way better

>>389387797
The man who invented television was not alive in the 1800s. He literally got the idea while farming

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>try vr while at a science expo
>as an aside i'm blind as a bat without my glasses
>see the big pretty pictures on the projector screen with the guinea pigs lined up waiting their turns
>my turn
>take off glasses
>put on big black glasses
>it's 3d but it's blurry as shit
>fuck around with the archery game, and pet the robot dog a bit
>turns up
>"wow that was fun but why was it so blurry?"
>"did you try leaving your glasses on?"
>mfw

That can't be it, can it? the screens are inches from my eyes, how the fuck can nearsightedness apply across virtual distances? they look blurry for normal people too, right? it's just because they use shitty resolutions on the demonstration headsets, right? my glasses don't fit in there, dude.

>>389383480
Enjoy being poor and keep telling yourself that you're not missing anything and you're better of without it.

Its great,real games are starting to get released,the controls work,roomscale is fucking magic and is affordable now

Quick /v/ post some games you want converted to VR.

I'll start:

>Prey (2017)

>>389388149
>even people with glasses don't know how glasses work

>>389388149
>insurance or taxes pay for retards like this' glasses

what exactly is the endgame of gimmickposters?

do they really think that the biggest tech advancement of our lifetimes is just a marketing ploy? or do they understand the technology but don't believe it is ready yet?

is it sour grapes?

>>389388149
Apparently you're still trying to focus on distant objects and there's still issues to the way it works.

>>389388248
Street Fighter 5

>>389388149
You can't be this bumb.

Let me one up virtual reality:
Go outside and do something interesting for a change.

>>389388774
if there were interesting things to do we wouldn't be playing vidya games in the first place

>>389363579
>Tfw we'll never get Steel Batallion 2, which requires a $2000 controller + VR setup to play

>>389388719
You do realize that vision correction for nearsightedness comes at the cost of the ability to focus on nearby objects right? This is like Grade 7 science here.

>>389388823
I'm just saying. I like vidya as much as the next, but gimmicky VR/motion controls for games that amount to little more than simulating menial tasks that you could just do without all the VR and save tons of time and money... Like that gun-range simulator game I've seen people stream. For about half the price of your VR setup you can just go get a real gun and a range membership.

>>389368624
I can already feel the sand getting lodged in my dickhole looking at this image.

>>389388149
>how the fuck can nearsightedness apply across virtual distances
Because they made the rash decision to have lenses that bend light as if it was coming from further away than it actually is, supposedly to prevent eye strain.

>>389363387
VR is really the only time I've had problems with motion sickness, but I ended up getting used to it over time like most people.

>>389360641
*desu yo.

you're stating a fact, not asking a question

fucking /v/ dumbasses

>>389389741
>>389388926
So which is it, fuckley?

>people really are so stupid they don't know how optical lenses work, the thread

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>>389389913
Please explain, because i'd love the opportunity to learn something

>>389389890
We're two different people smart guy.
Where is the screen on a VR headset? It's relatively close to your eyes. Like something needs to be atleast 4-5" away from my glasses to be completely focusable. But even then if it's really close to that range it might require the eyes to strain in order to get it in focus. (The muscles for your eye in that case are constricting your pupils in order to widen the depth of field. So even in that case it's not comfortably focusable. The ideal solution would be adjustable screen position.

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Here, this is a good diagram.

>>389358425
I wanted the left but ended up liking the right more. It was completely unexpected to me. I simply wanted the immersion and depth perception. The motion controllers I considered secondary but room scale is my favorite thing about VR now after playing with it. I also enjoy the different freedom of movement systems some games have in place like arm sway to move forward, really helps with motion sickness. Aiming and firing a weapon in VR is really satisfying. I couldn't do FPS on a controller anyways. I hate it and I suck at it.

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>>389385748
Fleshlight launch senpai.

>>389365813
Isn't this a famous haunted doll?

>>389390390
>>389390824
VR headsets have powerful optics in them that focus the image from its physical 3 inches from your face out to about 20 feet from your face. If you are nearsighted you will still need to wear glasses to undo some of the effects of the lenses in the headset and bring the focus point closer.

the dev kits actually had lenses you could swap so you wouldn't need glasses but they did away with that for the consumer models for some reason.

>>389388149
>how the fuck can nearsightedness apply across virtual distances
god dammit, anon

>>389391579
>did away with it
Probably because reliable hardware to create a sliding diopter big enough to encompass an entire VR headset would cost a retarded sum of money.

>>389391749
Or you could, you know, have swappable lenses in set distances.

>>389391904
That would cost even more money to have enough different vision corrections on tap to encompass the entire general population.

>>389391462
Raggedy Annis a pretty famous character. One Raggedy Ann doll was said to be haunted

>VR without motion controls
Literally sticking a monitor to your face and still losing the immersion.

>>389391954
The dev kit had three sets. One infinity focus set like the consumer models, and two less distant sets. For example a TV across the room distance, arms length, and last a common cell phone viewing distance. One or more of these sets will encompass the vast majority of the population. This isn't expensive, and you can even sell the additional sets separately.

Right now the only option is to wear your glasses, or order prescription lenses to redundantly place over the stock lenses.

>>389354891
So you don't want motion controls with vr? I don't get what all the effort is for then. The whole fucking point seem to make it as real of an experience as possible. You're just putting the monitor on your face with that.

>>389376939
I thought burgers were the main market for the wii

VR won't actually be anything worthwhile until we get some .hack type shit going on.

>>389393208
you realize .hack was people with vr headsets and controllers right?

>>389354891
Op is right. the original intended and best use for VR is to let players look around like IRL instead of using their mouse/controller to look around. it works best for first person games.

dont know why devs turned it into such a gimmick.

>>389393082
OP is obviously a fat fuck

>>389393560
sounds like an issue that calls for changing how camera controls work, not going through the effort of vr

>>389377960
With no tactile feedback in most mainstream VR controllers, even with hand presence there isn't a lot of point other than looking at balloon tits bounce

>>389364152
If there was no animu waifu i would legit run from yurop to wherever that thing is and play

>>389364223
>genesic aquarion
MUH

>>389393441
they were using keyboards and mouses were they not?

>>389393560
After playing with room scale it feels pretty shit not being able to walk around in VR.

>>389393724
theres nothing more they can do with camera. you look around with the controller/mouse, its not like your TV can swivel around you in a circle.

VR is amazing for first person perspective games because you can just turn your head to look around. its much more natural because IRL you don't turn your entire body to look at everything all the time, you just turn your head. AAA devs either dont understand or just dont care so were left with indie devs making gimmicky games where you walk around a room bumping into walls and use clunky "virtual hands".

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>>389394164
Definitely controllers though idk if kb/m wasn't ever done

When I flip a switch irl and see it in VR, that is so immersive beyond anything.
I want steel battalion in vr

>>389357616
>go to friends house
>play Until Dawn: Rush of Blood, Batman VR and DriveClub
VR fucking sucks. I honestly think the wii was a way better gimmick than VR. Horror games are pretty much the only genre where VR could be beneficial. For everything else, its a fucking mess.

>>389358226
>DECENT GAMES
>STOP THE "TELEPORTING TO MOVE AROUND" BULLSHIT
vomitting contest aren't "decent games"

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>>389365813
Go back to reddut and NEVER come back

>>389357481
>>389368885

one of my best mates has had a vive since it came out. he said he never uses it anymore.
he's been so underwhelmed by it that everytime i come round he can't even be bothered setting it up.

and this dude is a 3D animator who's obsessed with muh-graffix... he doesn't even care about gameplay usually.

>>389362540
Could use a stock for rifles but seems interessting

I got myself an Oculus Rift yesterday and tested everything VR has to offer. It's already packed up again and going straight back to Amazon. It's way to uncomfortable to use over any longer period of time and it's like looking at an old 800px CRT monitor without wearing classes while suffering from mild shortsightedness. Sure, when I see the depth of an hangar in Elite it's cool, it's cool to see the cars driving on those lanes and follow them with your head or look behind your stool, but that's it. I don't feel very immersed, because the image quality is bad and even then I came to realize that immersion is a fucking meme. I much prefer to be able to talk to other people, just jump up from my chair and do something else or tab out and browse without raping my face trying to get the face crusher rift off my head.

Only thing I will miss is Honey Select to be honest. That shit was totally dope.

>>389395026
And let me guess, your dad works for nintendo.

>>389394817
Not everybody feels like that though. Why should I get a worse experience because some faggot feels sick moving in VR?
None lazy devs put multiple moment options in their games such as

>Trackpad
>Teleporting
>Moving your hands up and down
>This strange grab and pull thing
And I'm pretty sure there is another I'm forgetting.

Every 20 or so years VR comes back as the revolutionary wave of tomorrow. And just like 3D, it disappears a few years later.

>>389395405

it's not that far-fetched that someone actually has a vive dude.

VR is always going to suck until they find a way to beam it directly into your brain

VR sucks because it can only be applied to slow first person walking games. For every other type of game KB/Monitor/Mouse/Controller/Wheel beats it completely.

>>389395637
I hear Serious Sam TFE VR is great and that's not slow paced.

>>389395373
Regarding the "motion sickness", it's total bullshit in my opinion. I never felt anything like motion sickness no matter how I played, even with fucking wasd. Only thing that makes you sick is when you're fast moving in VR and the tracking stops working, so you're suddenly not looking around in a room, but the whole room is moving according to your sight direction.

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>>389395405
Is it that unbelievable that a dude owns a Vive?

VR will always be a gimmick tbqh. Immersion is the least important aspect to video games, and VR is all about immersion. I don't want to "experience" a game, I just want to fucking play it.

>>389394583
>play shitty shovelware
>WOWEE VR SUCK

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>>389393842
They've anticipated homosexuals and included three other mecha sims without waifus, and several non-mecha experiences.

>>389396053
Did you know it's possible to play a video game and be immersed at the same time

>>389393208
Darknet already exists, anon.

>>389396479
>VOTOMS
Fully erect

>>389364223
You are desperate.

>>389389759
I do have to wonder how long it might take for people to get used to it.
I've tried a VR headset at a friends place a few times and most games made me sick as fuck even when I was just looking around.
The only game where I felt okay was superhot (probably the only really fun game I have tested in vr so far), but even then most level transitions left me feeling really disoriented.
I think it has to do with how simple the game is. The more moving things there are, the more sick I seem to get.

>>389389848
using ne is often under the implication that you're stating a fact and not a question. it's like saying "that's cool as shit, right?"

>>389395373
What were you expecting to use it for, even?

>>389398894
War Thunder, Elite Dangerous, Honey Select, porn and various VR-games. Is there something else I should've used it for?

>>389399072
this

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vAph_QjlCMM

>>389399072
Echo arena

>>389399072
>Is there something else I should've used it for?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hk7cS6Zx9hk

>>389354891
Left image = motion sickness

VR is worthless, AR headsets is what these companies should focus on

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>>389356991
>all those replies from angry people with buyer's remorse that they bought an overpriced gimmick with no real games and just shitty tech demos
VR as it is now is a meme.

>>389391447
What the fuck is that base? A warmer? A battery charger for a vibration function?

>>389399814
This. But until hologram tech is affordable for the average bear it won't happen. Instead you're stuck with the glorified virtual boy headsets for the foreseable future

>>389399814
AR is gay

>>389399832
Blowjob machine

>>389399832
You put your Fleshlight inside and your penis inside that and it automatically jerks you off
It can also sync to compatible games, videos, etc

>>389399985
Well fuck me. Over the internet. With a blowjob machine.

I gotta get me one of those shortly after getting VR.

>no one wanted right
>valve comes in with vive which is right
>oculus and facebook oh shit and try to match them

GOD DAMNIT VALVE

>>389400268
>no one wanted right
Speak for yourself

I'm just upset we didn't get that many mech games.

>>389399815
>no real games

Such an outdated meme

>>389400593
Except it's not. All the games on VR are gun tech demos or tech demos for other stuff or games with no real movement and you just teleport around. That or goat simulator tier meme games.
Fags like you can never disprove this or name a good portion of actual fully fledged VR games, because there are none.

>>389355260
Not really, RE7 proved how vr games should be

If you get motion sickness, too bad for you but its not my fault you are genetically inferior.

>>389354891
>that receding hairline
Yeah fuck bald people.

>>389371267
Because it's 500 bucks for a gimmick that only about 3 decent games support.

>>389354891
100% agree OP

The sad part is not even /v/ or the internet seems to understand either. It's preposterous to me that it's really hard to find someone online with a genuine interest in gamepad + HMD. In early 2000s, an experience like RE7 would have been marked GOTY in a heartbeat, but now it doesn't even get the light of day.

The only experience with VR I've had where I felt it actually added something to the experience has been playing racing sims. Everything else just feels like a proof of concept tech demo.

>>389400268
almost everyone wanted hand presence in VR ya dungus

>>389361486
>VR gets a lot better with touch controls
But the games get worse. So in reality, it actually doesn't get better at all. VR is about immersion and if the thing you're trying to get immersed in is shit, then it's a meaningless enhancement.

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>>389377960
Just giveit some time. VR will be what makes PC a force to be reckoned with in the Japanese games industry.

>>389401418
Japan rooms are 2x4 inches at best and they are still using Windows XP.

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>>389373892
Here's a (You) for your efforts.

People that are buying VR now are literally saving the concept and ensuring that it has an even more vibrant future.

Yet poorfags, thirdworlders, and any other Sour Grapes kid is angry about it.

Explain this.

>>389401815
>even more vibrant future
It hasn't had an inch of vibrance yet, but you keep reassuring yourself by telling yourself it will be good eventually.

>>389400727
No real movement, you say?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=38785M6YjMU

This is a platformer. Explain away this, poorfag.

>>389401815
>literally saving the concept

Nah.
The biggest interest in VR has always been from research and industry, that's where the drive has been since the 1960s.

Remember how Google Glass was a hilarious failure? Same deal, it's an enormous lifesaver for industry where, say, people need to test and observe experimental elevator shafts

>>389401943
Sounds to me you don't like games, you like interactive movies.

Don't you have a Last of Us to play or something?


Oh, you already beat that short "AAA" campaign? What a shame.

>>389394583
>played PS4 VR
>they were launch titles

Yeah I think I've spotted the two points of failure there.

>>389402045
>interactive movies
But that's what VR games are now. And tech demos.
The only people on /v/ who claim to support /vr/ are hipsters/contrarians or people with buyer's remorse.
The current iteration of VR is an overpriced gimmick that will never reach the level of normal video games and will never replace normal video games.

I NEED TITANFALL 3 IN VR.

>>389401959
I'm glad they showed what the guy is doing in the corner, really shows how not fun and not really that engaging it is.

>>389402332
Oh really, the current iteration that has a small install base will never replace normal video games?

What a fucking shocker.


Basically all you're doing is dismissing games that YOU don't like as "tech demos". Anybody that's buying VR now knows they're getting into it for the fun online experiences and arcade style/speed running/rhythm games.

If you don't like arcade games, that's your depressed pile of shit opinion that you're free to hold on to.

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>>389401516
If you're lying in bed with your motorized bluetooth bunghole strapped to your dick then I don't think that'd really matter.

Also, VR porn would give Japanese some much needed incentive to get modern PCs. I know they are 10 years behind the rest of the developed world when it comes to PCs but that's because they don't see the value in it until they realize that you can't buy porn games on Playstation VR and 3DS.

Porn has always been an anchor business for PC gaming in Japan. The problem is that porn games have not been impressive enough to convince many Japanese players that PCs are worth owning. Looking at all the Japanese made mods for Skyrim and Fallout though it looks like there's definitely a budding market over there-- it just needs some coaching.

>>389402332
Literally nobody who owns a VR system thinks that vr will replace normal videogames.

>>389402617
Why would they ever need a beefy rig for porn games?
All the best shit is VNs that will run on a toaster from 1976

>>389402559
>for the fun online experiences and arcade style/speed running/rhythm games.
You're a pathetic deluded retard who is lying to themselves thinking that kind of stuff is the norm for VR. You're mad that so little people didn't buy into this garbage like you did and now you're doing mass amounts of damage controlling on /v/.
Get used to that small install base, you and clickbait Youtubers aren't convincing anyone.
VRfags are the worst and most pathetic groups of people

>>389402826
Post your bank account balance right now, Mr. Sour Grapes.

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>>389381890
>Doesn't take drugs and play video games
What are you even doing, anon?

>>389402826
>>389402826
>fun online experiences
>4 out of the top 10 games on http://vrlfg.net/ are online multiplayer titles

dude nobody with VR is playing them!

>>389402868
I don't care how many Autism bucks you're living off of, but keep deflecting from the truth, fag
There's nothing to be missing out on and no horny weebs with fuck machines aren't something to miss out on

>>389403039
So you can't afford it? You'll make it one day, kid.

>>389354891
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=in4FrdvXkbo

>>389403151
>y-you just can't afford it
>s-surely you want all this nothing
Again, the only people who try to use the poorfag argument are spergs with autism bucks, no one fucking cares what shit you eat
Keep shilling for free, maybe one day your install base will be enough for anyone to give a shit

>>389403258
As opposed to spergs without autismbux, like you?

>>389363579
From the trailer, that game looks like it would be way better without the girl.

>>389403346
>essentially admitting to living off autismbux because you're too mentally retarded to do anything
I wouldn't expect any other kind of person to be a VRfag.

Time to link this hilarity

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nXxQwPFbFsQ

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>>389356991
>mfw I can play Longbow for hours and hours

>>389403556
so you didn't deny it, huh?

>>389403607
That chair only costs 1000 dollars.

>>389403626
>implying I'm going to waste my time with a low test low iq literally autistic mentally retarded sperg who needs the government to spoonfed him and wipe his ass
I hope your Vive will be able to simulate friends one day, for your sake. No one likes the kind of person who needs autismbux

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mETJHs7NP4M

>just wasted his time replying

checkmate

>>389403607
>Instantly goes from laughing to full on screaming
Heh

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>mentally braindamaged spergs with autismbux shill VR for free and seek self-reassurance on a Taiwanese Sewing Board
Wow I'm totally convinced VR is worth it now!

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>>389395405
>VR is such a joke anon can't believe someone knows someone with a vive

>>389404008
>Autismbux
>Afford VR and a computer that can handle it.
Maybe if they're living high and tight on mommy and daddy's money, but no, autismbux aren't as plentiful as most retards here claim.

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I think that the game to really sell VR will be some kind of MMO or group multiplayer game that focuses on capturing the player's hand movements and gestures along with voice. Anyone that played a ton of WoW knows that there were always groups that stood around talking a lot, and most people would jump around or animate themselves to help express themselves. I think VR has the capacity to add the most natural and communicative gesticulations into normal player interactions. The idea that you could be standing next to someone in a game and flash them a thumbs up, simply point at something to draw attention to it, or wave at someone far away sounds like some of the missing elements of realism that people want so badly in VR.

>>389363693
Because it's something that's cool for an hour at most and then it fucking sucks. Of course people are going to be blown away from a demo. It doesn't wear thin and you don't pay money for it. Using it beyond that shows the limitations of the device.

>>389404864
MMOs cost an insane amount and the install base is negative.

>>389405134
That's why I think it might be more likely that a "group multiplayer" game is what does it. I think the inclusion of hand gestures is the real future that will make people feel that VR is worth it.

>>389405471
Rec Room

>>389371267

well it's simple: it needs a level of computing power, development time and cost hikes videogame technology in general have been avoiding like plague.

same reason most games don't have active, full open worlds, or high framerate animations, or good AI, it's just too hard for things that won't wow casuals right away.

>>389406461
JUST LIKE ONE OF MY JAPANESE ANIMES

>>389361243
no lol

most vr games let you switch now

>>389404008
>calls everyone else braindamaged
>has no friends who can let him try it out with RE7
>doesn't have the brainpower to even fathom how it's an enhancer when playing

I think VR can only go mainstream if it's standalone and doesn't have to be connected to a stronk PC.

>>389400943
So more games than the ps4

>>389403258
Look how sour this grape is

>>389407434
Keep screaming ITS THE FUTURE until you're blue in the face
https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/columnist/baig/2017/09/04/virtual-reality-next-3-d-tv-like-vr-hyped-pricey-and-consumers-didnt-care/616961001/

>>389404869
I kept it at their apartment and they've been using it every day ever since just about. Watching everyone's reaction when they first load up Robo are all is hilarious, but seeing them be genuinely impressed with how smooth the games are like echo arena is even better.>>389405134

>>389407567
>400 dollars is pricey

Kek

>>389407773
Do you even know the state of the economy right now? It's shit!

>>389373892
Thats some good pasta

>>389402826
VR is currently shit and its current state is laughable and disappointing at the same time. That said, RE7 is several times better in VR and you'd be a huge faggot if you kept your current opinion 2 years from now even if we started seeing more proper AAA games like that for VR. Because who the fuck doesn't want to play first person games in VR?

>>389407842
>Be retarded 20 year old
>Moved out of my parents at 18.
>Instantly "bought" a car, still paying payments
>NEEDED a new iPhone, so I copped that
>Paying retarded rent because of my inability to compromise over anything, they're just like my fucking parents, telling me to do stuff.
>Can't hold down a job, don't like being told what to do
>Drink every night
>My kid asks me what a cigarette is because I keep bumming them off of everyone in a 5 mile radius
>"Economy is shit"
Most poor people are just retarded m8.

>>389373824
You are mistaken if you think 3D is the main selling point of VR. 1 to 1 head tracking is the real star.

>>389408252
My mouse can move 1:1 with my character's head to aim and shit in game.

>>389407567
>blue in the face

You're the same guy as yesterday huh? So you specifically search for VR threads so you can shitpost in them. Nice to know.

>>389408329
Wow, those are exactly the same.

>>389408329
What does that have to do with VR head tracking?

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>>389363579
>Girl in cockpit required for plane to fly

Would you fight better or do worse /v/?

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>>389408338
Paranoid much? I'm not whoever the fuck you think I am.

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Your opinion on VR is worthless if you haven't played this game in VR

>first playthrough
>no HUD
>headphones
>empty house
>only at night

GOTY status easily.

>>389408716
I'm saving my madhouse PC playthrough for when the Vive can run it.

>>389408597
Well I was laughing just as much as you seem to be emoting right now so yeah, pretty "paranoid". But you should know someone said pretty much the same sentence yesterday so it looks like copy pasta shitposting at this point.

>>389365813
*burp* morty *belch* you're a fag and god isn't real *fart* *burp*

So funny man, wow truly a masterpiece. nobody is going to know what the fuck rick and morty is 10 years from now. Show is AIDs

>>389396479
> Eva and Gundam VR

I was born in the right time.

>>389408489
I'd probably zone out after initial wariness until she started talking to or touching me, then I'd sperg out.

>>389409035
It's a bot.

>>389409602
How does a bot get around a captcha, then?

>>389409964
4chan pass

>>389409602
Ex-squeeze me?

>>389410242
>implying there are people wasteful and pathetic enough to give money to 4chan just to so they can automate shitposts

Yeah I believe you.

>>389409272
>ignoring Votoms
fuckin pleb Votoms shits on EVA.

So how do we fix VR?
New headset?
New tracking that doesn't require controllers?
More mech sims?

Honestly if porn couldn't fix VR I have no idea what could save it.

>>389409070
You're an idiot, rick and morty is good show and you know it.

>>389411032
Just make it incrementally better until it gets to the point where we have this:

>high enough resolution that we can't see the screen door or pixels no matter how hard we try
>$300 or less

Everything else will solve itself after that. If it has that capability, people will be able to use the headsets for infinite virtual monitors alone and more will adopt such that publishers and investors will naturally just pump money into content without the need for manufacturer funding of content (exclusives). The content problem won't be so bad by then though, as content developed right now should also be able to play on those headsets.

>>389410829
Ever hear of CTR?

>>389411032
More games like To The Top

>>389387773
>dude i played pong, mario sucks too though i havnt tried it

>>389411032
More mech sims.

The Rift is fine- GPU technology isn't good enough / accessible enough to justify greater resolution or FOV.

>>389411614
Am I the only one that thinks I got more than my money's worth from the Rift that I paid $400 for? I think the price is great for what you get...

>>389410829
dont EVER doubt weaponized autism

>>389411862
>GPU technology isn't good enough / accessible enough to justify greater resolution or FOV
with foveated rendering we can

we just need good eye tracking

>>389411862
$400 for a piece of cutting edge display technology is a fucking steal

$400 for a gaming peripheral with nothing but trade show demos and DRM is a gyp.

>>389412158
The Oculus has more than just "trade show demos" on it.

>>389412758
Oh, sure.
You've got Space Truck Simulator and Truck Simulator.

>>389412158
>nothing but trade show demos and DRM
I bought it mainly for racing sims and flight sims. It has not disappointed. A lot of the free apps that came with it (Medium, Quill) are also very good, despite not being games.

If you are buying it for the purely VR games though, yeah, a lot of them can feel like tech demos or proof of concepts rather than games.

>>389369694
And it will be so much better when the exclusive deal is over and it's out on PC with Touch and Vive controller support.

>>389413002
Lone Echo, Echo Arena, The Unspoken, etc.

Nice try though I guess

>>389413417
inB4 "tech demos"

>>389413137
>flight sims

On a low-res, blurry screen that doesn't even let you see other planes in any detail unless they're attempting to bump refuelling probes with you?
Good purchase.

>>389413615
I've only tried the Rift and PSVR but the screen is good enough to make out all but very fine text.

>>389413615
That's not really much of an issue with civilian flight sims. Have you tried the CV1?

>>389354891
Controlling a character with a controller when you're wearing a vr headset is sickening
The only games that can work like that are like, flight simulators, where you're sitting in a virtual cockpit and can still move your view around with your head.

>Trying to convince naysayers about VR

Don't bother. They're going to keep repeating the same shit until sets are cheap enough for them to try themselves. Before then, arguing is useless because they don't want to know.

>>389355260
VR in general is not that bad of a concept. It's just that input delay breaks immersion for me.

>>389414332
What input delay?

>>389414464
Input of other VR users, there's no one around.

>>389414530
You mean VR games are a ghost town? Phew, almost bought a Vive...