Was it worth it, Sega? Was it worth pissing off the developers

There's already a thread about this

Not only was it worth it, but we're going to keep the useless DRM in the game just to punish our paying customers even further. Fuck you guys for leaving negative reviews on our game because we dalayed it for two weeks to put in a rootkit that nobody wanted.
Stop being so entitled.

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>>389351996
Hyuck! It sure was.

I don't really have a problem with the DRM, but delaying the game for 2 fucking weeks was a fucking slap in the face and a really bad call. The numbers on Steamspy aren't looking good.

>>389351996
Seeing as delaying the game resulted in a larger console sale base, I'd say so.

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>bought the game on steam
>played an hour
>denuvo annoyed me so much I'm considering refunding and waiting for them to drop denuvo

Anyone know this feel? I'm not going to pirate it, but there's something inside me that tells me not to buy denuvo games.

>>389352809

How can Denuvo even annoy you?

>>389353040
DRM annoys me on principle

Paid 20 bucks for the game anyway.

I just don't know why people think this isn't better than S3K. We're in 2017, not 1921.

>>389353101

That's fine, but what exactly happened? You were playing for that hour and then suddenly you were like "no, fuck this, I can't stand the underlying DRM systems of this executable" and just dropped it right there?

Jesus. Just fucking enjoy the game man, sacrificing enjoyment because of something that is completely outside of your control isn't healthy.

>>389353101
then why even buy it in the first place?

>>389353268
>You were playing for that hour and then suddenly you were like "no, fuck this, I can't stand the underlying DRM systems of this executable"

That's actually what happened tbqh, I know it's not logical

>>389353364
you admit you're a retard, yet you puzzled yourself.

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>>389353364
It's a bit silly anon, but at least you stuck to your principles.

>>389353162
The main thing 3&K does better then Mania is story and zone journey consistency. Also it's true ending is better.
Guess now it's been cracked though, someone will actually mod in their own levels or something at some point or even a new ending.

>>389353364

Be more individualist. You are sacrificing something you could be gaining for a "movement" that isn't going to be anywhere near impactful in your life.

>>389353268
Shill. Nobody is going to feel good about a purchase that restricts freedom. Just get rid of Denuvo, it doesn't even benefit you.

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>>389353512
>The main thing 3&K does better then Mania is story

People play sonic games for the story?

>>389353589

>Nobody is going to feel good about a purchase that restricts freedom.

Yet consoles are a thing.

>>389353659
3&K had a totally fine story you could follow without words. Mania's was messy as fuck and nothing meant anything aside from "The Phantom Ruby did it."

>>389353512
I'd say the levels are probably a bit better in Sonic Mania. Not that 3&K has bad level design at all.

>>389353759

Don't you remember when the xbox one was revealed by microsoft and it had all of that shitty DRM like always online, and anti-game sharing?

microshaft removed all that shit when people complained

>>389353364

Its logical. You as a customer did not like the product you purchased because it contains something you don't want.

Others are willing to take it in the ass and come up with excuses as to why its not so bad, but you decided not to take part in that. Thats perfectly logical.

>>389353162
Nostalgia googles, that's it.
My fav in 3 was hydrocity.
I was a bit saddened by Mania act 1.
Then after time attacking it, I realized it's actually better then its original counterpart.
>waaaaaaaa I hate bubbles I hate boats!
Git gud.

>>389353512
>story and zone journey

I played S3K for days. Storywise it's just seconds of transitions from one level to another.

SM fucking rocks in animation, detail and subtle platform and boss battle details. It fucking rocks to play it. It even takes robotnik bots to a whole new level, "story"wise.

and to think Sega was doing pretty well with the port of bayo 1 reguardless if Wii u emulation more focused on bayo2 around that time. and vanish as well.

I want to see a stupid about of mods for mania

Favorite stage?

For me Studiopolis, least favorite probably Lava Reef.

>>389353831
Oh for sure. It has longer stretches of good levels to play through compared to 3&K. I'm just saying the story/zone transitions were weaker then 3&K's. It's no doubt a better game gameplay wise overall.

vanquished
>>389353982

>>389353915
I'd agree with him that the transitions in S3K are pretty cool compared to the weird eggman/robotnik causing sonic to teleport or whatever the fuck is supposed to be happening in Sonic Mania though.

>>389352809
>>389353101
>>389353364
>dumb frogposter's frogpostersense was tingling while he played the game
i played the game minutes after it was avaliable for download and i didn't even realize the game had denuvo until /v/ memed about it

>>389353101
>DRM annoys me on principle
Yet you're using steam

>>389354020
Favourite? Either Press Garden or Studiopolis.
Least favourite? Probably Flying Battery.

>>389353767
I'm not saying it didn't have a decent story, I just have no idea why that'd be an important factor in a sonic game. That'd be like saying Super Mario World has deeper character development than SM64. I mean, maybe, but who fucking cares?

Is this another thread of PC overestimating its importance?

>>389354275
what the fuck are you even talking about?

>>389353831
It is a lot better. We learned a lot of lessons of about the platform category. lessons that weren't prevalent in S3K's day and age.

Sonic Mania takes all that we learned from Sonic platform slips and corrects them.

Sonic Advance games and Sonic Rush games don't even hold a candle to this baby.

>>389354275
DRM cannot piss off customers since PC has none

>>389354071
Vanquish you faggot

>not buying it on Switch

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>>389351996
they had a week of no piracy and guaranteed 100,000+ sales on PC so far so yeah probably

>>389354020
I'm a fan of every new level. Studiopolis Act 2 made me bust a nut, Press Garden is fucking beautiful, Mirage Saloon was great (as Knuckles) and Titanic Monarch is my favorite final zone now.

>>389354193
It might not matter to you as much, but I like consistency when it comes to how you get to each level. Most of the levels don't have transitions and the other half they just get teleported. Only like three zones had non-teleport transitions.

>>389351996
>M-MOMMY THE MEAN GAME DEVELOPERS WON'T LET ME PIRATE THEIR GAME!
>hush sweetie, it's past your naptime.

>>389353843

How is that comparable to Denuvo when that is (currently) completely playable offline and can even be family shared?

My original point though was that people are satisfied by things that restricts them in some way (read everything related to console gaming that matters much more than DRM such as not being able to choose your input device of choice) if the enjoyment they get are a net positive.

>>389354505
>It might not matter to you as much, but I like consistency when it comes to how you get to each level.

That's far. It is cool how the zones bleed into each other.

>>389354493

That 2 week delay really killed all hype. Most normies with zero attention spans have completely forgotten about it and moved on by now.

>>389354640
Most normies already bought it on their consoles.

>>389353101
>Steam user

>>389354390
varnish

>>389354694

We're talking the PUBG Rocket League kids here

>>389354505
Studiopolis is just a badass zone. The theming is great and fits in nicely in a sonic game.

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Sonic please don't judge me for this....
God what tragic misstep did we make for people to feel so entitled about video games. So they stick a DRM on there. Steam is one big DRM and noone cares about that. You got a new sonic the hedgehog. THE BLUE BLUR. Our friend is back from the FUCKING dead and you guys only care about some small addition the devs made to secure the safety of their very risky business move. GET OVER IIIIIIITTTT. When Sonic becomes a real hedgehog that runs fast and lets me suck up his hot blue cum then you FUCKS would probably complain about how theres no cupholders on him.

>>389354572
it's not "completely playable offline". You have to launch the game while connected to the internet once a week.

>>389354798
It's definitely the most polished as it was the first zone made for the game.

>>389354798
studioplis is shit

>>389354882

Source this up fampai.

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So now the Denuvo's been cracked, does that mean people can mod the fuck out of the game now? Add their own zones and such?

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Dunno about Sega, but watching autistic children sperg out about something so trivial because of "principle" where they RP as victimized freedom-fighters going against dem ebil corporationz has been priceless.

>>389355129
Just check the steam forums and everywhere else. It's well documented.

>>389355335
>t. paid for shit drm that didn't even work

Right, I'll do it later, but for now I'm talking it with a grain of salt.

>>389354418
Not going to buy a console just for Nintendo to shit me up with new versions.

>>389355194
that means a fag or two are going to poke at the exe, then leave it forever in favor of continuing hacking genesis games that are known inside out or making fangames with perfectly accurate physics without restrictions imposed by modding

>>389355470

lol no, I'm not a jew and/or poorfag who has to use a PC to play console games. I bet you emulate fucking handhelds on a computer too, don't you,

>>389355641

>lol no
>says a bunch of defensive shit

pshhhhh nothin personell kid

YOU PIRATES SHOULD BE IN JAIL

>>389355760

Sounds like I was completely right.

>>389355853
Class A trolling. How did you get so good?

Good for you guys that waited for the crack I guess. Enjoy the game. It's very, very good.

>>389355858

I'll let you have that one. I feel bad for you now.

>>389355936
enjoy your chinese bitcoin botnet

>>389355985
If you enjoy the game, pay for it so we can have a Sonic Mania 2.

It would be great.

>>389356174
This too. The team deserves your money.

>>389355853

nah man, I already pirated a Get Out of Jail Free card

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>mfw Jewish Publisher got owned again

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KEK
E
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I bet it does now.

It only affected PC fags. So no one who matters.

And now the "fight" against Denuvo is going to die in 3 days. You guys were literally complaining that you couldn't pirate. And you guys are leeches at that since none of you are going to fuck with the game after you beat it. Way to stick it to the man, though?

Pissing off pirates is always worth it. Also, anyone who buys sonic games deserves their misery.

I love it when PC niggers get cucked. They always shitpost everday until release on how they'll have the best version then this happens.

>>389355558
>He doesn't know shit about the Mania engine
I forgive you, anon, for those uncouth words. Whitehead made his own easy to use devkit for the Sonic 1/2/CD ports which was slightly modified for Mania, so if he can use it easily then so can others.

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I'm not even mad.

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Thanks CPY, can finally run it in Wine

Get fucked SEGA, put Sonic Mania 2 on GoG and I'll pay.

>>389358840
Anon, both Aaron and Whitehead have both said to send reports to Sega of Europe who are the people that put the DRM in the PC version in the first place without their consent. Don't throw them under the bus as well, send SoE a report telling them how retarded they were.

>>389353914
>waaaaaaaa I hate bubbles I hate boats!
Wait really? This is what people complain about?
The bubble sections are fucking neat though.
And the boat is easily avoidable.

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Someone make a new thread about the torrent
SEGA can suck a cock.

>>389359056
>tfw I actually keep the water as high as it can be now because the routes that can be accessed when no water has been drained iare much, much faster then the dry route

hey can i get the link to this crack?

>>389359162
Literally check pirate bay

>>389359013
Everyone sent those reports, and they still dragged their feet.

I have waited 3 weeks after all my friends to play this, dammit they don't deserve my money anymore. Please try again.

Do the devs have a patreon or something?

What's even the point of these threads, we all know we're gonna inevitably pirate it like little piggies as soon shit's cracked.

Won't affect Sega's sales in the slightest, but maybe it might if fans take this DRM thing personally. To which that I say

>Buying PC games

Switch and other console owners have no problem with the game, but only because there's no possible way for Sega to implement fucking Denuvo in their correspondent console versions in order to make it a fucking slug.

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>>389351996
Best thing about it is the steam discussion board turning to shit for the whole duration of its release.

>>389359457
You do realize that half of /v/ is filled with PC poorfags?

>>389359457
Switch hack soon r-right?

>>389353908

It isn't logical at all

He purchased a game with DRM, on a distribution platform that's essentially DRM to begin with

Why does he even have Steam?

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>>389359790
holy shit I missed this followup fucking wow

>>389360048
[v] rekt
[ ] not rekt

>>389359331

Stealth has one to fund his own engine

>>389353101
>DRM annoyes me on principle
>still using steam
Hypocrite.

>delaying a game for double the time it took to crack the DRM they delayed the game to install

Yo, where the save data located in this cracked version? I'm gonna edit the shit out of my save.

>>389360851
Don't you dare give yourself 99 lives, all emeralds and unlock every single extra thing you cheater.

>>389360961
Nvm, found it :^)

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>>389361253
don't you do it

This game is great, I honestly can't believe SEGA botched the release so hard and threw away all the goodwill.

>>389361419
Console players are still over the moon about the game though. It's only PC players that got mad and it's the smallest amount of buyers compared to the consoles.

>>389361419
Gotta love Sega. Even when they're finally doing something right they have to fuck it up.

>got everything in mania
what game should i get next? I like platforming games

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>>389361313
:^)

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>>389362256
REEEEEEE

>>389361526
Would you stop trying to turn this into a console vs. pc thing? No one is biting.

>>389353101
>muh principles cause me to be annoyed by DRM

-First, first world problems.
-Second, it doesn't interact with the gameplay at all.
-Third, video games are a luxury. Do you think starving african children over in africa worried over how bad DRM is to video games?
-Fourth, video game journalists have been walking all over ""gamers"" opinions of them for years with no backlash having any affect on them at all, as well as video game companies, so the fact that you believe ""gamers"" can even have """principles""" in the first place is LAUGHABLE.
-Fifth, and I have nothing against pirates, but denuvo is implemented because there are people that want their games for free. I have no problem with pirates that want free games, or nothing, because they are true to their selves. However, if you complain about denuvo, AND call yourself a pirate? I have no respect for you. None at all. The real pirates would beat the shit out of your bitchy, whiny, complaining ass while they played through their endless backlog while waiting a couple of weeks for denuvo to get cracked. Again. Like always.
-Sixth, if it honestly bothers your """principles""" so much, then play those instead of "the evil DRM games". Send your meaningless message to game developers that you won't pay their expensive $20 pricetag if other people can't get the game for free right away. Care about that drop of oil in the ocean instead of playing games. In fact, while you are at it, just leave /v/ entirely, your principles are too important to lower yourself by being here, so go someplace where your importance can be appreciated. Like a concentration camp. Or north korea.

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>>389353101
>DRM annoys me on principle
>Being so triggered by DRM that it ruins the game for you simply by existing
I get why people dislike DRM and Denuvo but that's a new level of autism. Then again, you're a dumb frogposter.

I don't know why autistic faggots keep complaining about DRM. I have not seen one single performance hit.

Meanwhile, you have shit games like Nier Automata on PC, that the community has to fix with a fan patch, that corrects the resolution. But people are fine with it since it has waifu bait. You don't see Steam reviews getting shit on for that. Sometimes, I think there is a conspiracy against Sonic from the gaming media. There's always some garbage that they have to pile on about something or another, even if the game is solid.

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>>389363731
>Like a concentration camp. Or north korea

Haha, is funny because those are places where you are likely to die.

>>389354828
Well where the fuck is my Sonic cup-holder mod?

>>389364784
People were very angry about it because at first it didn't even say it had it on the store page, then Sega of Europe snuck it in about four hours after it launched on PC then people noticed and started to riot, while basically also throwing Taxman/Stealth and friends under the bus themselves, making Stealth write an angry comment on the "In Regards to DRM" post on the community page which he removed to stay professional.

>>389364784
I'm mad because it caused the last minute delay for something nobody wanted.

Holy crap, I have never seen so many angry Denuvo shills in a single thread. /v/ is kinda depressing these days.

>>389366351
Well at least in those two weeks they fixed a couple bugs like getting stuck in the Mean Bean boss fight and adding the separate Super activation button. PC version is still the best to play right now thanks to that button not being in the console versions yet.

>>389351996
Did Sega produce this game or did the Aussies pay it out of their own pockets?

>>389366616
Taxman and his team made it while being funded and published by Sega.

>>389351996
I finally played it and I have to say I'm quite disappointed in it(thank you Sega btw for saving me 20 bucks off of this underwhelming as fuck game)

There's a clear lack of game design in Sonic Mania. The new zones(Studiopolis, Mirage Saloon and Press Garden) feel like shallow pieces of shit...it's like they followed the Sonic CD rule of game design(lol just put in things who cares about flow).

When the game has good level design it's because it's ripping off the genesis games(Hydrocity Zone act 2, Lava Reef to an extent). And not to mention a lot of the stages seem visually overstimulating.

The bosses are so stupid and not suitable to Sonic at all. Just like the rest of the game they try to do too much with everything. What the fuck were they thinking with these elaborate bosses? They don't suit Sonic's playstyle at all jesus fuck

I thought for sure Mania would dethrone Sonic 1 as my 2nd favorite Sonic game after 3K but I have to say it's even worse than CD and I have to even rate Advance 1 over it too

Classic series ranking
3K>1>2>CD>Mania

2D sonics in general
3K>1>2>CD>Advance 1>Mania

I don't know if I even want another game from this team anymore. Seems like the only ones who could do it right were the OG Sonic Team(RIP)

>>389367428
Wow, your opinions are legit awful. That or you're just baiting.

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>>389367428
Mania is better than both cd and advance desu

>>389367635
it should have been blatantly clear it was bait almost immediately

>>389367428

well ribbit-spaced, m'friend!

i tip my upboats to you

>>389351996
yes because impatient faggots like most of /v/ bought it anyways

>>389353162
>I just don't know why people think this isn't better than S3K.
Because 3K actually has real game design unlike this fanwank of a travesty

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>>389351996

>>389367759
No it actually isn't. It's worse than both.

>>389367635
My opinions are patrician, wouldn't expect a pleb like you to understand.

>>389369729
You can play it now, it's free

>>389370056
Oh thanks anon, i didn't know.
Considering I bought it on Switch, I'm fine to pirate it and mod it

>>389352809
>>389353268
>>389353364
Same thing happens to me when I try to play Yooka-Laylee

>>389367428
>When the game has good level design it's because it's ripping off the genesis games(Hydrocity Zone act 2, Lava Reef to an extent).
>3&K good design
Fukken lol.

You sound like just the twat the game was made for but just being contrarian for the sake of trying to sound smart. And failing.

It has overly long, elaborately gimmicky levels; too many bosses; too many autoplay areas; ridiculously patronizing save system. Green Hill and Chemical Zone are still a blast to play even with revised design and the new powerups and the new zones either fit well design-wise (studio) or looks-wise (mirage) and in some cases both and legitimately well (press). Time Attack shoulda been in the games from day one.

As a whole, it's not Sonics 1 or 2 re-purposed like some of us would like but it's still a legitimately good platformer despite a couple of off levels. And anyone can see that.

>>389353162
>S3 and SK babbies are illogical
Stop the presses! /s

>>389351996
>your paying customers
Uh... The paying customers are the ones who bought the game, right? And the ones who are upset are the butthurt pirates?

>>389372012
also notice the spike of the threads saying mania is shit after people say denuvo was finally cracked

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>>389354193
>That'd be like saying Super Mario World has deeper character development than SM64.

To be fair, it does

>>389372012
So that's why masses of people are refunding it right? Were they pirates all along?
Retard.

No seriously, how do I get good at this game

>>389372246
I thought they were preventing people from getting refunds? You clueless fucks can't keep your stories straight.

>>389372301
Go fast.

>>389353268
>buy product
>enjoy product itself
>dislike something about the manufacturing, marketing, distribution of product on philosophical grounds
>this decreases enjoyment
What's wrong with this? You find out your shoes are made with slave labor. Even if you're a /pol/ edgelord and your response is, 'I would enjoy them even more!', you're still capable of understanding why this would effect someone? Every time they put on their shoes it's a reminder of something they find distasteful. Or, you find out that your favorite product gives millions and millions of dollars each year to PETA, the Catholic Church, the American Communist Party, the Republican Party, the ACLU or whatever organization you dislike, and every time you consume the product you're reminded that some of your money is going to something you dislike or find unethical or disagreeable or something. Why is that hard to understand? I don't like Denuvo, but it hasn't stopped me from enjoying games. I certainly understand it putting a hamper on the fun for some people, though.

>>389372301
1. press down to roll while you're moving
2. acknowledge that you can destroy most of the enemies while you're in your rolling state, both in air and on the ground
3. acknowledge that if you hit the ground while not holding down you'll leave the roll state
4. acknowledge that if you're stopped by the game after going fast, through hitting a wall or spikes, you should be prepared for some platforming
5. grab those fucking rings that fly out of you
that's all you need to know to play a 2d sonic game

>>389363731
>First, first world problems.
Not an argument.

>Second, it doesn't interact with the gameplay at all.
It does in some cases, such as RiME's idiotic implementation, or people having difficulty connecting to Denuvo's servers during the launch week for Sonic Mania.

>Third, video games are a luxury.
What does that have to do with anything?

>Fourth, blah blah
I got a refund. So I stood up for my principles and no one else had any say on that. I also informed Sega Europe's support.

>Fifth, and I have nothing against pirates
You sure have a lot to say about them though. Anyway, pirates are pirates, can we keep the discussion on track? The guy who you replied to clearly bought the game. So piracy isn't relevant.

>Sixth, blah blah blah
I did pay, then they turned around and tried to fuck me, so I got a refund. Did the same for Tekken 7 too. I can't send more of a message than literally taking my money back, which to my understanding costs them money when purchased via Steam.

>>389373157
>Not an argument.
Okay, Molyjew. Let's pretend you don't have a phone in your pocket right now that can be used as a hotspot for five seconds to let you play the game.

>>389359995
Not all drm is created equal
Somebody who perfectly fine with piss doesn't necessarily enjoy scat too.

>>389351996
Link to cracked game?

>>389373117
>press down to roll while you're moving
You have to completely let go of left/right to make this work, which is incredibly annoying.
Unless you're playing using an analogue stick,
I guess.

>>389373513
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Sonic+Mania+CPY

>>389373715
>what is a diagonal

>>389351996
My favorite Sonic game was Black Knight.
Not even trolling, I love that game.

>>389375282
How about you fucking try it and tell me if it works you stupid nigger. The PC version does not accept multiple D-Pad inputs at once.

>>389375752
It works on my machine
Even if what you say is true you can always just quickly roll to down like a reverse qcf and go back to holding right.

>>389353101
Faggot

>>389376167
Why do you defend malware? It physically damages your computer.

>>389373007
>comparing denuvo to slave labor
This why I can't take you dramatic faggots seriously