What went Wright?

This is the longest I've ever taken to beat an Ace Attorney game, I think.

The series may be losing its luster for me.

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>>389349726
Biggest amount of god tier likeable characters.

>>389349881
But how does that make you feel?

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>>389349726
everything

>>389350019
Depressed, as I feel like I have to join the "Crapcom" contingent.

So have you played Great Ace Attorney ep 1? Any news on the cunt dev or when the next episodes might be coming out? I hope we don't have to wait a year for the next one.

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>>389350373
>implying anyone has a hard copy of the game to use the patch with

>>389350373
>not just watching it on youtube

>>389350487
>implying Ace Attorney is purely a story-driven series that is just as enjoyable with zero interactivity

The best DGS playthrough (dowolf) got butthurt and canceled the thing after he was getting lapped by someone doing a shitty rush job.

Fuck it, I'll just wait to play it myself.

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>>389350567
You can do it!

>>389350440
There's a workaround though.

https://pastebin.com/yYB1wpxX

>>389350440
>tfw I want to buy that book at the local Japanese bookstore but I don't want to get spoiled on everything
>but the game will never be localized anyway
Maybe I should just go watch a subtitled playthrough on Youtube

>>389349881
Considering it's easily the longest game in the series (technically 7 or even 8 cases), that's no surprise

>>389349726
it was fuckin trash and u know it cunt, they put in all those bullshit extra long animations, MUCH MUCH MUCH more frequently than in ANY of their previous games, even DD, JUST to make the fucking game seem longer than it actually is. and it fuckign worked on so many retards.

every time sahdmahdi does his bullshit hand gesture that takes 5 seconds and u cant skip the dialogue or anything and ur just left staring at the same shit.... evrey time that bullshit happens i just look up and im wondering if its done yet, is it even worth my time to look down? is he still doing his retarded hand animation for the 100th fucking time in part 1-2 of the 3rd fucking case? what bullshit. i seriously hate this fucking game, there arent even options to turn these retarded animatinos off. and dont get me started on the god d admn magic bullshit it just compokletely ruins the story in my eyes and i CANNOT recommend it to ANYONE. its just so fucking cringey and not even childish, just make believe bullshit. i truly hate it. i loved the first few games though.

Rayfa, Datz, Apollo.

>>389350835
Let it go and move on

>>389350835
thats nothing compared too the overly long animations of the characters only in the DLC case.

>>389350796
are we really never getting it ported? why not?

>>389349726
>Wright
Rayfa and his evil milf mommy
OST

>wrong
Bad pacing in general, cases are WAY too long in this game (looking at you, case 3 and Case 5 Part 1)
Case 2 was mediocre Gramarye shit that shouldn't have existed with one of the dumbest and most petty motives for murder ever.
Even though I mentioned it already, Case 5 Part 1 was wasted potential. Could've been a good civil case where Phoenix is testing Apollo but it ended up being a (very boring) murder case with lacking witnesses and an obvious culprit.
Apollo's past is such a big clusterfuck of bad writing is unreal.
DLC was meh, bad in comparison to DD's DLC. Culprit was obvious from the start and the fanservice with old characters got old fast.

SoJ is a good game, but gets too much dicksucking from fans.

>>389350903
fuck no they ruined a great series with great stories. i dont really care for the continuation between games but the cases themselves were interesting and cool. they had good writers. now its make believe fucking bullshit and i cant even recommend this great story game series to anyone because of all the retarded shit they did

>>389350910
oh wow maybe i should try to finish this piece of fucking shit game just so i can get angry at the DLC case, thanks anon

>>389350981
You could play it on Android or iOS right now.

Kek.

>>389350835
the magic bullshit has been in there since the first game though, how can look past spirit channeling your dead huge titty boss but not a person's final memories being seen in water?

>>389351169
This. It always baffles me how people shit on supernatural bullshit in the newer games when the series was all about this in the first place.

>>389351169
>>389351491
integral to the story, shes a main character despite being dead, but necklace thing that detects emotion and magic bracelet didnt add anything that couldnt be done without magic bullshit

im on the fence about matagama

>>389351169
>>389351491
>>389350835
No supernatural bullshit and actual good writing is what makes AAI2 the best in the series.

>>389351491
This is /v/.
If a game is to new its automatically shit.

>>389351563
YES

i have said this many times but /v/ loses their shit mostly when i say it. had much more interesting cases too, especially the 2nd one on the plane. and the international smuggling one. those were great cases. why they arent coming to 3ds i dont know

>>389351563
Supernatural bullshit in the end is just a plot device. AAI1, AA4 and AA5 are mostly devoid of that and they're not exactly the better games in the series

>>389351523
They added different gameplay elements for each Attorney, it would be pretty shitty if they all operated the same way. You might as well be playing as Phoenix during every case.

>>389351821
1 is probably the worst Capcom-produced Ace Attorney work so, yeah, I agree.

>>389352039
JFA and Apollo Justice say hi

>>389352116
You mean Dual Destinies and Spirit of Justice?

>>389352015
its a bloody story game at its core (imo)

i think it wouldve been better without the magic stuff even if it meant less gameplay elements. i dont know anyone that plays these games for this magic stuff. if anything its just hinders the game

>>389352116
Justice for All is my least favorite game in the core series but if you take all of Capcom's Ace Attorney stuff, it falls squarely on AAI1.

PLxAA is the flat-out worst thing to bear the Ace Attorney name, though.

why is AJ such a shitty game? just reached the 3rd case and it's so fucking stupid!
It's like the game was made by people who don't understand what made the games good in the first place.

>>389352178
DD is great though.

>>389350073
Best boy/girl.

>>389352203
It was too late the moment they channeled people in the first game, they weren't just gonna forget about that. They even cross-examined a fucking parrot.

>>389352203
It's true that no one plays for the magic, but I don't see how it hinders the games, especially if done right. Pretty much what >>389351821 said.

>>389352454
yeah it was too bloody late but i thnk it wouldve been more successful and better without it all. i didnt play professor leyton or wahtever its spelled but it did it have stuff like that too? actually i think i played a bit and i dont remember anything like that. i also remember it being much more popular than phoenix wright until they tried the cross over game....

>>389352473
the magic wasnt ever done right. it was too cringey and everything relied on it, especially with athena and her god damn necklace. always in the end of the trials too

i also hate rayfas insight crap

maybe these games just arent for me. i should go play hotel dusk now i think about it if anything

>>389349726

Was this the worst finale in the franchise?

I feel like even 4-4 was a better final case.

>>389352701
Maybe they're not, the only thing that made me cringe in these games is when they put forced voice acting on the seance opening and A DRAGON NEVER YIELDS.

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>>389352873
>"A DRAGON NEVER YIELDS"
>mfw redditors/youtubeniggers unironically loved this trashy phrase.

>>389352808
What? No, it was pretty great, even if the final breakdown felt pretty weak

>>389352808
Nah, AAI1 holds the title for worst final case.

>>389350073
Is there an archive to download these animations?

>>389353025
didnt some people port all the animations to PC so they could use them for their own thingy where they roleplay cases? i think there was a /vg/ thread for it

>>389352967
There you go.

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>>389353025
there's an autistic forum somewhere that has some of them, reverse image search.

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>>389352967
>>389352963
>>389352808
*blocks your path*

>>389351491

Super natural bullshit got way more complex in Spirit of Justice and made it a lot harder to understand/take seriously/

Like, in 3-5 for example, it's ALL ABOUT super natural bullshit but the crux of the case is two people channeling the same person to either prevent someone else from doing it or to hide in plain sight. It's simple to understand.

6-5 involves multiple cases of shuffling two different dead people between two bodies and ignoring rule number one of channeling (THE FUCKING HAIR) for the sake of plot convenience.

>>389353167
no-one played this, anon

>>389353114
doesn't seem to work, are they included in the AAO files? might just download that then

>>389353114
Court Records?

>>389353293
No clue haven't touched that garbage since they started adding OC/Guest characters

>>389353181
>and ignoring rule number one of channeling (THE FUCKING HAIR) for the sake of plot convenience

but it doesn't? both Dhurke and Inga have long black hair, and there's hair dye in Inga's chambers to cover the plothole of it not being pinkish like Amara's

pay attention

>>389353347
>hair dye in Inga's chambers to cover the plothole of it not being pinkish like Amara's

You're right, it does explain why his hair isn't pink.

It doesn't explain why Amara's isn't black.

>>389353479
because L'Belle's hair dye washes out in water instantly

Its much easier to enjoy every game in the series if you stop being so autistic about every little thing.

>>389352808
No, it's the best since Rise from the Ashes.

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>>389353534

FUCK

>>389353771
It's a good one, but let's not get ahead of ourselves here.

>>389353858
Don't worry, most of us didn't get the impact of that thing until people in these threads started pointing it out

It's clever as fuck, disguises as a cameo

http://www.strawpoll.me/13866186

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>>389353949
Where's the "doesn't matter" option? I'm completely neutral on it - sometimes it feels silly, but sometimes it works really well.

>>389353181
How is it more complex? The crux of 6-5 is that both the victim and defendant were "alive" when they weren't. It's not particularly complex, and 6-3 builds it up pretty well.

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>>389352295
Too many outside influences.

That said, 4-3 is arguably the worst case in the entire series including spin-offs. Just trudge through it.

>game sales get worse with each new release
Is AA dying both in the west and Japan?

>>389354617
Crapcom is bad at advertising

>>389354617
Maybe it would help if there were physical fucking copies

>>389350981
Copyright laws in the west about the intellectual property of Sherlock.

>>389356001
just call him shorleck helmos and be done with it

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>>389356413
Just call him Gawain. He looks the part

>>389350984
Case 2 was incredibly good, since things got a step up once the con man was revealed to be a Gramarye and had more personal shit. Was also one of the more fucked villians since he killed a diehard fan with 100% bad intentions. His theme and animations were amazing too.
5-1 would've been fine if it stayed as a simple possession dispute and wasn't a murder, since they even could've done his breakdown and then have him get back up or get taken away since he mentally cracked regardless. It was tense since you knew phoenix was getting manipulated, but didn't fully know why.
DLC is agreed to be bad. Killer's animations are fun but the entire case isn't worth the money. The one in the last game certainly was though, that one was a ride and a half.

>>389356787
It still bothers me that the DD DLC was so obviously cut from the game that they didn't even bother renaming the files in the iOS version

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>yfw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xp1HCj_o3Lw

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>>389358584
superior reveal

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjN14-9-7kM

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Was he the smartest villain in the series? His plan was pretty complex and could've gotten away with everything.

>>389359502
Case 6-2 is the BEST filler case in the series. Prove me wrong.

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>>389350835
good shitpost

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>>389359502
No, the mastermind is

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>>389350835

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>>389359696
>>389359502
both wrong, this is the smartest villain in the series who got away with everything

>>389359814
>.gif
>never appears

kek

>>389359607
With some tweaks and padding they could've easily made it the final case of the game. Retinz's breakdown was pretty final case-tier imo

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>>389359607
>That theme
>That reveal
>That breakdown
He was final villain tier really
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gk7Rfl4rpHo

>No system for monarch to prove legitimacy

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>politician culprit
>would have gotten away with it if someone had deleted their emails
What did Capcom mean by this?

>>389353167
DGS-5 was fucking great though. Fight me.

>>389360823
we've had this discussion since release day pretty much, atishon had qualities of both candidates at the time (he literally says "make kurain great again")

turns out bad politician traits are pretty universal

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How about some coupons, mr. Anon.?

>>389360881
It wasn't that good. It was certainly better than the rest of the game though.

>>389362235
Cases 1 and 3 were better

>>389362556
1 would've been great if they didn't sit on points like them having the wrong steak or the poison doesn't kill you via ingesting it and also that the villain's motivation isn't explained at all.

>>389364060
>the villain's motivation isn't explained at all
It's part of DGS2's plot.

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>>389349726
I really enjoyed investigating in this game more than the actual courtroom sections this time around, which is pretty surprising. Though, honestly, I feel the series isn't for me anymore. Which is sad considering the real good streak of games they had going, and I'm counting both Investigations titles as part of this streak. Ever since DD I can't help but notice how the series is starting to rely on rehashed ideas, and as StH trash this buggs me to no end, and no amount of Apollo screentime, who was my favorite (and still is) since day one, will change my views in these last two games. At this point, I'd even prefer for a new set of games to take over, such as the Dai Gyakuten Saiban games, that I sadly cannot play.

>>389356859
>>389356787
>love DD
>hate the DLC
Now, I can understand why people wouldn't like the game, since it changed a lot of stuff regarding the atmosphere and the graphics, but I can't fathom how so many people liked the DLC. Not a single good character was introduced, and the main reason I love DD is the characters. Was it the meme rapper that people liked?

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>you're standing in a courtroom minding your own business when this little girl comes up to you and wants to blow her nose on your clothes
What do?

>>389365243
Throw some truth to the other side of the room for her to chase after

>>389364901
>Not a single good character was introduced, and the main reason I love DD is the characters. Was it the meme rapper that people liked?

I liked every single character in the case, maybe except the writer, but she wasn't that bothersome either

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>>389365243
something dangerous, probably

>>389364901
>but I can't fathom how so many people liked the DLC
It was Turnabout Big Top done right.

>>389365730
Actually, the only time I chuckled during the entire thing was her breakdown. Seeing everyone utterly disgusted, and then Judge shaking his head I lost it.

>>389356787
>Case 2 was incredibly good, since things got a step up once the con man was revealed to be a Gramarye and had more personal shit
Not really, it was shit they brought up from their asses for more Gramarye melodrama bullshit that had no way existing since the whole thing was done in Apollo Justice and should've stayed that way.

>Was also one of the more fucked villians since he killed a diehard fan with 100% bad intentions. His theme and animations were amazing too.
His motive was way too fucking stupid since the object of his rage was dead by then. Makes no sense he would kill a fan just to fuck over a girl he knows nothing about.

The whole case was really bad regardless. Bad pacing, bad prosecutor, bad witnesses...all around bad.

>It was tense since you knew phoenix was getting manipulated, but didn't fully know why.
And that manipulation was capturing Maya for the 23210th time, which made the case underwhelming by default of using the same terrible excuse again.

>>389367524
>Makes no sense he would kill a fan just to fuck over a girl he knows nothing about.
It's clear you didn't understand anything at all

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How did Robin ever manage to fool anyone?

>>389350984
How is Case 2's motive petty? It's a basic revenge motive since he was exiled and whatnot. Also, Retinz, despite being obvious as fuck, is definitely one of AA's better villains who would probably would have succeeded if not for one unforeseeable mistake.

>>389358584
I mean, his music is pretty good, but it's obvious it was either him or Paleano, and since he hadn't gotten much screentime, it would clearly be him, Penny Nichols aside.

>>389364901
Seriously? All of the supporting cast, even Norma dePlume, were interesting/likable to some degree, and the culprit wasn't immediately obvious as being a very specific person.

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>>389362074
>suspected him the moment he popped up
>then he goes serious
>10 minutes later and I'm begging to crapcom gods to not let him be bad guy
How was that jew so lovable?

>>389349726
Not the music, that's for sure. Easily the worst in the series. I've never felt the need to turn off the music in an AA game until this shit. Between all the slightly remixed tracks and all those garbage new tracks this game is easily has the worst OST.

It's really sad how a series known for it's great music has fallen so far since it came to the 3DS. And apparently this is how it's going to be from now on since DD pulled the same shit, mind you I never actually wanted to mute it like I did with SoJ.

>>389370850
>this game is easily has the worst OST
Justice for All and AAI are easily below SoJ in terms of music.

>>389370850
I'll give you there were too many remixed tracks, but I liked the new Pursuit theme, Retinz's theme, the investigation themes, and Ga'ran's theme, among many others. If anything JFA has the worst OST, and that one still has a good amount of good songs.

Not Nahyuta or the final case for sure. They fucking sucked, and so did Garan.
DLC wad crap, as well as the first case.
Fourth case was only good for banter and comic relief.

Only cases this game has going for it are 2 and 3.
First part of the last case was doing good until "LOL MAYA KIDNAPPED xDDD"

>>389368832
Well argumented, my fellow redditor. If you have nothing good to say, kill yourself.

There are two timelines after AJ, and DD/SoJ follows one of them

How else do you explain why Phoenix is suddenly the same as he w as pre-AJ instead of being Light Yagami and 90% of the other shit in AJ is never mentioned again

Worst Pursuit theme hands down. It was lame as fuck.
Didn't give me the "oh shit nigga u fucked up" vibe like previous themes.

Do you think the series need a reboot?

>>389350440
I have a hard copy but I updated my 3DS sometime this summer

>>389372163
It needs to be put to rest.

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>>389372163

No, it just needs to be directed by Takumi again

DD/SoJ are good games but they don't share the same vibe as 1-4

Just compare shitty Garan to pic related

>>389372451
Before Garan, Phantom was the worst villain in the series.
I don't know what their fucking obsession is with last minute "epic" final bosses

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>>389369392
>that whole picture
>>389365604
>>389365804
I'd just let her *hooooooonk* it up desu

>>389371618
How was the first case bad in particular?

>>389372451
>>389372602
Garan wasn't even bad, Phantom still is. Garan had been teased since forever, only the transformation was shit. But I agree Gavin is the best. Being on Gavins ruse cruise which then turns out to have been Phoenixes ruse cruise all along was a ride.
Gavin>Godot>Matt/DeKiller>Garan>Manfred>Phantom

>>389372626
>that whole picture
I dunno. With her weird face and that height, I could maybe buy it. Not to mention that school is clearly meant to resemble a college more than a high school, and we all know what colleges are like.

Phoenix made this series, and a game without him can go die in a dumpster fire.

>>389373167
>witness breaks in one testimony
>REEE KILL DA LAWYER
>Gaspen a complete unlikeable asshole
>uncooperative retard defendant
>REE KILL DA LAWYER
>Peeslub's plan makes no fucking sense
>retarded police investigation skips crucial stuff, as bad as shit in 4-3

Unpopular opinion time.

Dual Destinies is a better game than Spirit of Justice and I found The Phantom a more interesting villain than what's her name in SoJ

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>>389372626
I can keep going.

>>389373340
His story is fucking over. The gameplay is something I still believe in, but we need to cleanse the palette backstory-wise. We need new characters and new stories for those characters. Pulling new stories for old characters out of nowhere isn't cutting it.

>>389373537
Phantom at least was threatening, being a soy and killer.
Garan was a fucking Disney tier evil stepmom design, and really just discount Von Karma, and a rehash of Morgan Fey but on a large scale

>>389349726

This game was a lot better than DD, but something about it just made it feel kinda average. Boring prosecutor, lame final boss. Maya kidnapped again cliches, why? She's a grown woman now, god. Why do we have to go back to this damsel in distress crap AGAIN with her. Isn't this like the 10th time? It happened in that Layton crossover game too.

Idk, it just didn't seem that good. Meanwhile, I finally managed to get around playing Gyakuten Kenji 2 since the community translated it, and I was blown away by how good it was. And supposedly Takumi wasn't even involved in writing this, so people can't give me those lame excuses anymore. The writers should be able to perform a lot better than this.

Best thing a SoJ are the breakdowns and Rayfa being a cute brat.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULollvRGcKs

>>389373975
Overdone as fuck breakdowns, honestly. I miss when they were short and simple

>>389373537
This is the truth. DD was a much better game in pretty much every way, aside from Rayfa.

>>389373340
You don't get it. What we need is a new character who is just as appealing. Of course Wright is better than a shitty newbie. But a GOOD new lawyer would be even better than Wright/Naruhodo.

>>389349726
It was alright, peaked at the 2nd & 3rd cases though. People get spergy when you say stuff like it having your personal least favorite final case in the series but it was still enjoyable despite that, even the "bad" parts of this franchise are typically still fun.

One thing that really bothered me was that most cases just lacked characters in general. Felt like they prioritised the overarching story over the individual cases, which I bet a lot of people don't mind, but for me having atleast decently complex cases should be a bare minimum for this series given what the fucking core premise is.

>>389373537
Dual destinies has a better prosecutor and arguably a better main villain

However, Spirit of justice has WAY better cases overall, which is why everyone calls it better than DD

>>389374169
You're kidding, right? DD was even more dull than AA2 and AA4. Some parts of AA6 were a bit overdone, especially the adventure part int he last case, and some filler cases were a bit boring, but the meat of the game contained some of the best Gyakutenshit ever.

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>DGS tries something new with a different setting and new mechanics
>It sells like shit
I fucking hate nips.

>>389374595

More like

>Don't localize a game western fans would eat up
>Sells like shit since nips have barely any idea who sherlock holmes is

>>389374595

maybe it really is shit though. I mean, I wouldn't know. I'm not going to spoil myself on Youtube like most guys.

People need to stop sucking Takumi's cock though. If the game is good, its good. I'm not gonna crown the game just because he wrote it.

>>389374595
Are you sure? I think you're wrong. It sold very well.

>>389374595
They have a winning formula they just need to get off the Phoenix Wright and friends train. Make self contained trilogies. It doesn't even have to be in the same world

>>389374071
3ds made them look like cinematics since they could afford it with the hardware, maked everything look less real though
AJ's final breakdown is my favorite from the DS era: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkg1dPFOUEA

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>>389375003

I would really like to see a Death Note game with AA mechanics

>>389374829
On the one hand, Takumi-less AAI1 and AA5 were shit. On the other, AAI2 was good and AA6 was great. Meanwhile, Takumi's PLvsAA had such a stupid last case that it undid everything good about the whole game, of which there wasn't much either. Takimu can fuck up quite hard.

>>389375072
worst prosecutor, he made a little girl cry in court on purpose

>>389374937
http://www.siliconera.com/2015/07/15/this-week-in-sales-yo-kai-bustin-makes-me-feel-good/
http://gematsu.com/2017/08/media-create-sales-73117-8617
I dunno about 1, but 2 bombed for sure.

>>389375102
>of which there wasn't much either
I'm not a Takumifag but I really liked PLvsPW in general until that final case just left a bad taste in my mouth. Getting to bond with the batshit townsfolk over the course of the game, the top tier atmosphere/music/character designs in general, and the cases were solid enough (tutorial case aside). Only major issue I had before that point was how casualized everything felt, like the multi-witness thing having a completely unnecessary indicator guiding you where to go.

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Phoenix Wright vs Harvey Birdman when?

What will the next game's obligatory Japanese culture case be about?

>>389375102
>>389375565


The ending to PLvsAA was very Layton inspired. And by that I mean, it was stupid as fuck. Sometimes I feel like maybe Level 5 forced his hand and made him write an ending that was absolutely stupid.

>>389373340
>>389373691
>>389374221
Phoenix can be retired and all but I can't take the people who keep saying "Phoenix ruins Apollo" or any other character seriously to be honest. Like in AJ, half the cases in that game barely had Phoenix in it and Apollo was exactly the same in them.

The actual problem is that the dev's ideas/general approach for new leads are just sort of shit. Not completely irredeemable or franchise-ruining like how some people overexagerrate, but they're not great either. Does it fucking matter that Apollo and Trucy are siblings, just have Apollo do what he's literally employed to do already.

>>389376119
Pachinko

and with that I mean the only future the series has is more pachinko machines

>>389376119
trip to tokyo to meet with the famous local attorney: Ryuuichi Naruhodou

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>>389376359
>they do this
>japanese version actually has you meet american lawyer Phoenix Wright
>he looks super americanized and talks about eating hamburgers constantly
>localisators faces when

>>389376195

Apollo's entire game never sold me on him.

But then SoJ and DD made me warm up to him a little bit. I guess I like him now, which is ironic.


Athena on the other hand.....she's just bad. I know the writers weren't helping her out at all giving her that filler case, and everyone acknowledges that Case 4 in SoJ is universally the worst one. I feel like the entire point of Athena's character is to try and sell it to the otaku crowd.

>>389376752
>nips just pick Tigre's sprite and color it blue

>>389376787
Apollo never took off in Aj because he wasn't really important. Yes he was the lawyer but main players were Gavin and Wright. So when we got our bumbling Phoenix back Apollo started to get bit better

>>389376879
Don't forget blonde hair and whiter skin.

>>389360073

Great villain, plot made perfect sense, wasn't bogged down by MUH MAGICIANS CODE like 4-3. Great case all around.

What's so bad about Athena, anyway? My only problem with her is that she actually got even more incompetent in SoJ.

>>389367524

The only thing I don't understand is why didn't he try to just kill Trucy

>>389377593
Because he didn't want her dead
It's not hard

>>389375102
>Takumi's PLvsAA
he was only in charge of the AA parts
The rest of the overall story was Hino, the Layton writer

How can Layton still have physical releases and Ace Attorney not?

>>389377490
she somehow manages to be even more of an idiot than the other wright & co people

>>389376787
I liked her in 5-3, as cheesy as that case was. The bit in the beginning where it's just her & aloof boss NPC Phoenix in particular was the most student & mentor-feeling scene in the entire series somehow.

>>389378057
Layton has always sold better.

>>389378057
Published by Nintendo in the west.

>>389375102
PLvsAA is GOAT if you're a fan of both series. I love them both so I liked the game, apart from the braindead puzzles. Honestly the wrong thing with it was that it tried too hard to pamper on both sides, PL parts getting downgraded for AA only players, and AA parts being bit of a clusterfuck except Barnham holy shit I love that man and keeping the full-on Layton story.

>>389378486
I only liked the first Layton game. The rest, I think, were stupid as fuck, and of course I thought the same about PLvsAA.

>>389378486
>that spoiler
Fantastic taste, anon.

>>389378486
>except Barnham holy shit I love that man
What's there to love? He does nothing and then gets outright benched. He really plays no role in the plot AT ALL.

>>389373859
>It happened in that Layton crossover game too.
Seeing genuinely pissed off Phoenix was nice atleast.

>>389379096
Great looks, good personality, he had the knight/inquisitor attitude but still was someone rightful, is a chad IRL and BARNHAM BARNHAM BARNHAM. Also that OST piece. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jfWHX3vkVxk

>>389378206
At least by being a rookie, she has an excuse to be a bumbler.

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>Tfw too much of a brainlet to play Layton without looking up some puzzle answers

>>389379584
Honestly, some of the math ones and few others are really fucking hard. Others are braindead easy. And then there are few of those "ha gotcha" puzzles that you always have to ty to anticipate.

>>389378334

5-3 in general was such stupidity. How could you stick a murder weapon in someone and leave it there overnight with a cover? And not expect anyone to smell a rotting corpse the next day.

The fact that Athena even figured it out was pretty plot armor-ish.

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>>389378334
5-3 is unjustly hated, it's one of the funniest cases in the entire series

>>389379381
I think you just like him because you're female.

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>>389380331
>that part where Blackquill gets so fed up with Hugh's antics he just leaves the courtroom

>>389380331

There's an interesting theory that Prof. Means was Kristoph's mentor

>>389380749
Amazing. How wrong we all were when we first saw him in Famitsu

>>389381072
Wasn't Courte Klavier's? If so, that's not that weird

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>>389381189
Let's be real, he does look like a piece of shit edgelord

>>389380381
>because you're female
Anon I. . .

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>>389381189
>>389381509
To be fair, wasn't he a huge edgelord in the japanese version? I remember hearing something like that.

>>389381751
Not really. He's just a chuuni goofball instead of a weeb goofball in the Japanese version.

>>389381880
>chuuni goofball vs weeb goofball
I don't know which one I want more.

>>389381967
why not both?

>>389381660
No, I'm already taken. My wife Samus will kill you if she hears about this.

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>>389379096
No, Barnham is great because he's different from the other prosecutors. His way of loving the town so much to the point of influencing his prosecutorial skills by trusting his witnesses, and then being taught by Phoenix about logic and him using it in such a thoughtful way was just amazing, and so was the character development he was going underway before being thrown out of the stage for no apparent reason.
And that's not even including how fucking adorably dorky he is outside the court sessions.

>>389383940
it just sucks how he disappears in the last case, and never gets a satisfying arc

>>389384858
He's pretty fucking redundant. 4 cases, and he's only in the two middle ones. Barnham and Darklaw didn't really need to be two different characters.

>>389383940
>and so was the character development he was going underway before being thrown out of the stage for no apparent reason
He disappears BEFORE any fo that development happens though. It's set up to happen, but it doesn't. It sure did in your imagination, though, so congrats with that.

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>>389385230
I mean, you could say the same about someone like Franziska - Darklaw needed to exist, story-wise. But if you're doing that, make Barnham have an arc or have his own little hero moment at the end there.

I feel like the series is dying and it make me sad.

>>389385253
...?
He outright changes his personality after case 3 end and goes on a crusade against his own superior

>>389350835
>>389350910
SoJ's animations have NOTHING on DGS1/2's animations. They are so fucking pointlessly long it gets TEDIOUS

>>389385596
Same
It's my favorite vidya series, I don't want it to die. I've tried other games similar to/inspired by AA like 999, Layton, DR but none of them did anything for me.

>>389364535
Do you not see the problem?
The villian's motivation is not explained until you pay $40 and waited a year

>>389385596
>>389386327
>I feel like the series is dying and it make me sad.

Welcome to the AA fandom since forever

>>389350984
The dlc was fun just to see phoenix having fun and being confidant while going against edgeworth again. The dlc was better in dd.

I like Spirit of Justice, and think it is better than Dual Destinies but a lot of it rubs me the wrong way. I hate how the story has to be this giant epic about basically saving a country from a tyrant. Go back to smaller personal stories. Why even bring back Maya if she's going to be gone for 90% of the game? Case 4 bothers me not because it's disconnected to the rest of the cases but because it's only a trial with no investigation. I get they were trying out different pacing maybe, but it makes me feel cheated out of a case. Apollo didn't need this new backstory and wow look at that he happens to know the new prosecutor, we've never had that before. The few magatama sections we had were so easy that there's no reason even to have had it.
I really like Rayfa though, and feel she was well done. I liked the seances though the gimmick felt maybe too close to the mood matrix, albeit a lot harder. They fixed the investigation sequences from Dual Destinies also which is appreciated.

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>>389386327
Play Danganronpa.

Notice how the defendants are literally never guilty?

>>389387229
>Case 4 bothers me not because it's disconnected to the rest of the cases but because it's only a trial with no investigation. I get they were trying out different pacing maybe, but it makes me feel cheated out of a case.

All games with five cases have had a truncated fourth case, though (not counting AA1 because 1-5 wasn't originally there, 1-4 was the final case). There's nothing really to complain because 6-5 is two full cases (and the length of that)

>>389387521
Justice for All last case

>>389387605
>All games with five cases have had a truncated fourth case
And I dislike it there as well.

Does Pheonix ever get recognized as a genius attorney who magically reverses every trial he enters into?

>>389387720
I just mean that it's not really different pacing because it's kind of a series staple. Either way though, SoJ effectively has 7 cases total, it's easily the biggest game yet. (Which kind of makes up for Capcom jewing with DD and taking out a case from the game to sell separately and split the final case up in two)

>>389387365
I did, anon. Read my post again.
I didn't like it.

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>>389387521
Notice how you literally never played the games. That happens in the second game Jesus. And Wright always picks people he feels he can trust and has God-tier intuition.

>>389373478
From what I remember, Ahlbi is only uncooperative around until Phoenix agrees to the terms of the DC Act, which technically isn't that far in. Peeslub does transform pretty early though. Gaspen being an asshole is expected since DD, and I don't remember Peeslub's plan or what police investigation skipped.

>>389387908
V3 is a reboot. Might be better with truths and lies as opposed to hope and despair for you.

>>389387874
every time he enters the courtroom the prosecution hopes he will not bluff his way out of his own mess

>>389388048
It's not a reboot. That's another lie they told so people would buy it without having played the first 2 for more sales. It's directly connected

>>389387901
>I just mean that it's not really different pacing because it's kind of a series staple
True, but I said that more because the game did feel like it wanted to play around with how cases are structured. As case 2 is only 1 day and investigation and Case 5 being almost 2 cases. And I don't think it worked out well

>>389387521
We have literally three guilty defendants in the series.

AA7 when

>>389388787
Next year and DGS 3 the year after.

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>>389370586
Handsome as fuck and actually a genuinely good person who isn't really greedy, but just wants to improve the state of his country.

>>389390112
just like a true allebahstian

>>389375003
The problem is, that's exactly what they did, and it didn't sell well.