Wait a minute, that block...

What the Hell? Dude, I'm jumping.

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>>389347069
>introducing dash and long jump both at the same time
bad tutorial

>>389347397
My 5 year old wife's son could jump over that shit.

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>>389347527
>my five year old wife

>>389347652
Sorry man english is not my language and i'm pretty fucked up right now.
Have a great day.

>>389347775
No you're right that faggot just took your words out of context

>>389347943
No I should have said My wife's 5 year old son.

>>389348016
This is correct

>>389347775
>apologizing on 4chan
holy shit never change, anon. you're alright

>>389347775
>>389347943
>>389348016
>>389348058
>>389348154
It's my birthday and I love you.

>>389349071
Happy birthday anon.

>>389349071
Happy birthday, anon!

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24 DAYS BOYS

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>>389349969
thanks anon

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>>389349071
Closer to death, every day.

>>389347069
The guys playing is dumb as a rock, but they really should have added another small block after the first one and after the onscreen instruction. Or at the very least, have the instructions mention the prior block somehow.

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>>389350132
thank you anon :)

>>389350217
you are right, great suggestion anon

*upvotes*

>>389347775
> i'm pretty fucked up right now
sure you are

>>389350328
Why the troll posting? You know I'm right. It's the tutorial, you have to assume the playing the game knows absolutely nothing about the game or platformers in general.

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>>389350179

>>389350417
I apologize if I sounded sarcastic this wasn't my purpose at all
have a good day

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>>389350179
>>389350419

>>389350217
>pandering to 5 y/o retards
That's the way to go you are right.

>>389347069
Why do you keep shilling this game?

>>389350676
That's kinda what you need to so. It is the tutorial after all. You need to teach anyone playing the game the basics and assume a literal 5 year old is playing. What happens in the main game is no longer a concern but the tutorial has to be dumbed down.

>>389349071
Happy birthday anon, have a good one

>>389350217
>hmm i can't get quite high enough
>maybe if I tried using the smaller block in the immediate vicinity
Fucking chimpanzees figure this kind of stuff out, friend

>>389349071
Happy birthday, we love you too yes homo

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I do agree the tutorial should have taught you tap jump on that short block, hold jump over a medium block, AND THEN hold jump/dash to get on top of the tall block.

HOWEVER, you'd still have to be retarded to not get this

>>389351224
And yet, all they had to do was add another arrow between the small block and the larger one, showing you're suppose to chain the two segments together. One single curve arrow leading into the dash arrow. Or just add another smaller block. Chimpanzee or not, the tutorial could have been made a bit better. This is the tutotial after all.

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>>389349071
Happy birthday anon!

>>389350886
>>389351357
i don't know you but you seem like cool guys

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>>389351224
This. If chimps can pass the crate + stick = banana test (without visual clues), it puts some of the "game journalists" below apes.

>>389350862
maybe the purpose of the tutorial is to teach basic problem solving :^)

>>389347069
>tfw too intelligent to pass the tutorial

>>389351696
You do realize those chimps didn't figure all that out within a minute like the playtester did, right? Not defending the retard player, but you used a really shitty example.

>>389351696
even crows can solve multi-step problems and use tools, hunams are DUMB

>>389351793
Or maybe it's a worrying sign that if the developer aren't willing to spend a little bit of effort into designing the tutorial, the rest of the game will be just as unintuitive.

>>389347397
honestly the block being the only thing there aside from the wall (obstacle) it shouldnt take you more than 1 try to realize you cant jump over the wall so you need some extra height to pass.

its vidya logic 101

>>389351689
You know us very well. Real friends do not have to hold back or keep their opinions to themselves. We keep insulting one another over PCs and consoles, talking trash about waifus and favourite vidya genres, but would never trade this company over any other.

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>>389347069

>>389347069

You don't understand, he went in cold!

>>389351950
>U N I N T U I T I V E

Oh god i'm laffin. Dean must be burning a whole year's salary paying you shmucks to astroturf away his incompetence.

>>389352108
>pidgeon
It's pigeon, you fucking friend

>>389350217

>I cannot jump high enough
>I am trying everything I've learned and been taught and cannot jump high enough
>There must be something I am missing, some force that will help propel me high enough to get over this
>No wait, its the GAME'S fault

>>389352108
hahaha thanks ill repost this when needed

>>389352108
Why the fuck that rat didn't fly? Even if he is in a close space he should be able to do a double jump

reminder that this is an asian man playing the game

>>389352108
>torture the birb for weeks and condition it to "solve" the problem through brute force
>look at how smart he is!

>>389351840
To make this odds even, remove visual clues from the Cuphead tutorial, as well as make player move this first block to that position on himself. You can rest assured that most players would still figure it out in a matter of seconds while Dean would be stuck there for another 10 minutes, if not for good

>>389347397
The guy was barely able to finish the first level of the game. Making the tutorial longer just to accommodate the very worst of your players isn't worth it.

>>389352308
>All this naked insecurity over a bird solving a puzzle

What a board this is.

>>389352108
reminds me of Abe's Odyssey where the first level tells you things during your playthrough like using spells and you can miss secrets at the very beginning but it's still playable without being a total retard like pic related

>>389352134
You damn well know they should have either added another arrow or another small block to it. Retard or not, this is a flawed attempt at teaching the basics in a tutorial. Stop trying to defend this mistake.

>>389347943
Onus is on the speaker to be clear with their meaning.

"My wife's 5 year old son" would have been much clearer.

>>389352308
>birb
>tortured
back to
>>>/reddit/

>>389351696
>kohle rape in sight

>>389352108
who is playing? And btw why wouldn't the pigeon just flutter to get to the food?

>>389352407
Should they also have arrows at every point throughout the rest of the game to make sure the player never has to think? The game had literally introduced 2 mechanics to the player, it's not asking too much for them to apply the lesson still on the screen.

>>389352370
He was not able to beat the first level.

>>389352539
Why didn't the journalist just ask the developer to tell him how to beat the tutorial?

>>389352407
While they're at it, why is there no explanation for how moving the stick makes you go left and right??? How can I honestly be expected to figure that out?

Furthermore, there's no indication that jumping while moving will let me jump on top of other things and then remain on them! This game doesn't explain shit!

Also, how am I even supposed to read the instructions? The game never taught me how to read. How the fuck am I meant to know what those squiggly lines mean?

imagine being so bad at video games that you don't understand mechanics that have been around for 15-20 years

>>389350760
Because it deserves it.

>>389352213
To be fair, that guy did just try that out soon after, but couldn't get the perfect jump to dash chain to get over and assumed it was the wrong method. He was probably assuming you could dash in any direction, or dash into breaking the wall. Not saying he wasn't a retard, but he did try the small block to jump method after the initial failure.

>>389352407
You must be retarded. Once you realize that the dash alone won't get you over the cylinder, bc your jump is just not high enough, you should be able to come to the conclusion that maybe you need to jump and dash from a higher position. The block is the only higher position. If you struggle this hard at this part you are a retard.

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>>389352539
they probably clipped his wings and the fact that he didn't even try to fly makes me think that they clipped very early on
DO NOT support evil animal testing

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>>389347527
>My 5 year old wife
Hot

>>389352595
It's the fucking tutorial. Of course you'te suppose to hold their hand during this segment. When else are you suppose to do that? Not at the tutorial? Stop being a dumbass.

>>389350160
Nor soon enough

>>389352764
He did just that, and tried that a few times but failed because he mis-timed his button presses. He went on to try other things because he thought that was the wrong method. He eventually went back to it after exhausting all those other ideas.

>>389352649
If you notice in second 0:53 he stays put for a couple of seconds, im pretty sure someone was telling him what to do because inmediately he "remembers" how to dash
>>389348016
>Not My wife's 5 year old, son
smhtbh onii-chan

>>389352407
>WAHHHH
>WHY DIDNT MEGAMAN X TEACH ME TO WALLJUMP

>>389347775
You're nice I like you
>>389349071
Happy birthday

>>389352848
Just put arrows all over the screen which show where to go with "YOU'RE GOING THE RIGHT WAY JUST KEEP WALKING" flashing whenever you follow the arrows while you're at it

>>389353326
It's the fucking tutotial. No matter how much you try to twist it, this is the one and only time any game should be holding your hand. Beyond that is fair game though.

>>389353454
You don't want them to hold your hand, you want them to pick you up and carry you. Less is more if you actually want players to understand how and when to apply a mechanic.

>>389353526
Nigga. It's the tutorial. You can make it SMB hard after this for all I care, but if there is any time for the game to be legitimately dumb down, this is the only time to do that. Why the fuck are you even arguing against this?

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>>389353776
>SMB
>Hard
so you're a casual gamer, nice

>A is jump
>hold A to jump higher
>Y is dash
nigger if you can't combine 3 short sentences in order, while using your eyes, while being a middle age "game journalist" you shouldn't be reviewing video games

why are you fags so defensive?

>>389353776
It IS dumbed down. Games are supposed to teach you things organically, not spell everything out for you. The tutorial is simple and effective, it's the player who's retarded.

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>>389350217
>>389350862
WTF? How was I supposed to know you could jump over the Goomba? The game didn't tell me that!

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>>389353229
>>389349969
>>389350132
>>389350179
>>389350886
>>389351357
>>389351681
thanks /v/ good night

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>>389353037
>Jump
>Can see that at the peak of my jump I am high enough to be able to pass over the tall block
>Press dash after falling down below the top of the tall block
>Hit the block because I was too late pressing dash
>Instead of trying again and pressing dash at the peak of my jump this time, resume banging my face into the wall of the block, because surely that will work this time

>>389352730

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>>389353985
good night anon

>>389353907
Yeah, which is my point. You can make it as dumb as possible in the tutorial, maybe even the dumbest with the game showing how to do it first before letting you attempt for all I care, but that's perfectly fine because it's the tutorial. So hold your hand with fuckton of arrows, go all out, because this is the one and only time for the player to be as dumb as humanly possible. After the tutorial, you can go fuck off and die in a fire because it is no longer the game's job to hold your hand anymore.

>>389349071
Mine too! Happy birthday anon.

>>389354129
did dsp really get dumped?

>>389353985
Sleep tight, anon

>>389353776
There comes a point where, even in a tutorial, you have to rely on the player's own intellect to figure out what to do. If I tell a player "Press Y to dash", I shouldn't have to explain that "Y" refers to a button on the controller. I shouldn't have to explain what a button is. I shouldn't have to explain what the word "dash" means.

Eventually you simply have to rely on the player's comprehension skills to take over. What cuphead shows is more than adequate for anyone, but I guess they just didn't anticipate that their game would be reviewed by mentally retarded gibbons coming off heavy anaesthetics.

>>389352308
>torture the bird for weeks and condition it to "solve" the problem through brute force
>for weeks
>Dean "Human Kindness" Takahashi is a "gaming journalist" with 20 years experience
>20 years
>look at how smart he is!

Stop defending literal retards. People like you are why we can't have nice things

>>389353836
that's a nice frog

>>389352848
>Step 1: press the jump button to jump on to the smaller platform
>step 2: press the jump button again to jump towards the taller platform
>at the apex of your jump (note: that means highest point) press the dash button
>congratulations, a cookie has been mailed to your address
Which would probably have resulted in
>"the tutorial did not properly prepare me for the difficulty spike once i began the game proper"
considering that, according to this thread, he still struggled with the first level despite mastering basic spatial awareness and two button inputs

>>389354129
Most tutorial segments are usually self contained and brings all of those elements in a final training course. Not defending his retard ass, but he probably thought he was suppose to get over the large block without the aid of the smaller one as that's how it's suppose to be done and failure to do so is to fuck yourself over later without learning the supposedly proper way of doing it.

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That is the nicest thread I've seen in years.

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>>389352539
The guy playing is Dean Takahashi, look him up. He gave mass effect 1 a 1/10, because he completed it without realizing he could level up his characters

>>389354670
Unless you're Dean Takeashiti

>>389354460
Dean wasn't tortured with shitty tutorials for 20 years, give him a break.

>>389354334
Ah, but what if there is a way to leap over the large block without the use of the smaller block? If that was the case, would you still say what he tried out was wrong then?

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>>389349071
Happy birthday

>>389354670
Yeah, people are defending a mentally retarded gaming journalist out of pity after all.

>>389347527
>wife's son
ayyyyyyyyyyy

>>389347397
so you made it more redundant and stupid
good work

>>389347069
Need to get DSP to play this asap.

>>389354940
>crouch
>jump
>high jump
>dash
>high jump + dash
not redundant at all

>>389355005
ONLINE COMBOSSSSSSSSS

>>389355005
I feed on his salt every day, feels good man.

>>389354782
He writes like high schooler in their first writing class too, and a dumb one at that. He might be genuinely retarded.

>>389350179
I try to stay positive and think of it as every day I get closer and closer to having sex

turning 28 at the end of the month

>>389354782
Did he use the main gun on the mako?

>>389355015
but everything you listed was communicated in the tutorial already with only 2 blocks and a line.
anything more than that is the definition of redundant.
the tutorial is well designed, takashitass is a melonhead.

>>389352108

But you can't move blocks in this game, retard

>>389355267
you can do it anon
break it down into small tasks and do those tasks every day:
>hygiene
>get /fit/
>accustom yourself to talking to strangers, making eye contact and making jokes/laughing being friendly in general
>make friends with people at university, a club, a church, online, etc
or just pay for sex

>>389355383
Yeah, the pidgeon's puzzle was harder.

>>389349071
>>389354298
Happy birthday fags

>>389355267
a friend of mine turned wizard and once he did, he got a sweet job, his own place downtown and a hot young GF he bangs out everyday.
true story.

>>389354298
have a good one d00d, ((we)) here at /v/ wish you success

>>389347397
>>389347069
>>389350217

If they introduced Jump, then Dash, then jump AND dash, would it have worked better?

>>389355373
Not that anon, but no it wasn't. They combined short jump, long jump and air-dash into one segment without differentiating the three.

Wait a second....

what if he thought he could airdash upwards?

>>389347397
>platform on dash section is high enough to jump on
Good job, you just retardified like 10 more game reviewers

>>389355626
I don't think anything would have worked for this guy.

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>>389354782
Holy shit

>>389355695
Then he should have figured out he couldn't after trying it once.

>>389354810
>tfw games 20 years ago didn't have tutorials
>tfw 20 years ago super eager to witness ways gaming can advance
>tfw advancement stopped due to SJWs/Reddit/EarlyAccessTrash and now DeanTakahashi

the absolute state of gaming. pls tell me it will get better /v/

>>389355742
He's dumb for not getting it, but that means the devs have to go dumber. Misuse is on the fault of the designer, not the user.

>>389354639
You give him far too much credit. If he was capable of thinking it through that much he wouldn't have been so stupid in the first place.

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>>389352308
>play games for 20 years
>shit your pants at the simplest task

>>389355795
but the dash didn't make him gain height, it made him gain distance.

>>389355626
Adding just another block or arrow would have been suffice. Personally, I would just have three blocks of increasing height. One for short jump, one for long jump, and last one can only be reached from long jump+dash.

>>389355885
No it is not. Games teach you things by giving you the tools and making everything but the desired solution impossible, and that's what they did here. Dean is just too thick to understand what they wanted in under a minute and a half.

>>389354814
Wow, so Dean is actually a genius who knew what to do all along, and was just testing if there were any other possibilities first? Amazing!

Fuck off, not only does that not have anything to do with what I said, what about the instructions even gives you the impression that the ways he was trying might be correct? Nothing. The only possible method is spelled out for you right on screen, literally in black and white. It is in no way unreasonable to make a game with the expectation that the players can add 2 and 2.

>>389355826
But what if he had just mis-timed it like he did with the initial long jump and dash?

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>>389354782

>>389355795
That's reminds me of this one game were it was reported that the testers got lost in said game because no one told them they had to go to a certain place to continue. The game was pretty straightforward, but since no NPC or message prompt told them they could do a certain action, they didn't even try doing different things to progress and lost their way waiting for someone to tell them were to go.

Can't remember the name of the game, but it was recent news.

Fucking millenials.

>>389356125
Dishonored?

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>>389349071

>>389355634
exactly and that's a good thing imo
it makes you think critically and promotes experimenting from the start.
It's not too difficult to imagine a point in the game where you have to jump + airdash and you fall in a pit or something if you dont make the jump. it's way less frustrating to have seen and dealt with it in a tutorial space.

>>389356125
It was Dishonored I think. You get to some kind of atrium and you're meant to go up the stairs, but one of the NPCs says "you can't go up there" (since the area is meant to be off-limits). The testers took this literally to mean that you're not meant to go there, and so just wandered around the atrium, unable to progress.

>>389355491
I don't care so much about the act of having sex itself, it's more about the achievement of getting someone to actually find me attractive

>tfw looks are fading already and I'm getting forehead wrinkles and my hair has started thinning
I thin it will only get harder from here

>>389356125
I think it was a Dishonored game, where a guard told the player they can't go to a certain area yet. This makes sense to be confused about though, since other games, telling a player they can't go to a place is usually true, and theres usually an invisible barrier until later in the game or until an objective is filled.

In that game, however, you were supposed to infiltrate that area.

>>389356065
Or he wanted to see if it was suppose to be done without the small block. I mean, if it really was suppose to be done without it, then he would have fucked himself later in the main game.

>>389349071
Happy birthday motherfucker
Go git yourself some tasty-ass cake

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>>389352108
AHAHAHAHAHAHHAHHAHAHA

>>389354782
He's and "Asian" American liberal cuckold.

>>389355634
>needing things this S P E L L E D out for you

Hey anon, you do know that babies tend to experiment with their surroundings just because right. And I'm going to call you a F A G G O T just because.

>>389356286
Again, it's the tutorial. You can experiment later in the main game from repeatedly dying but the tutorial is to teach you the basics, not to teach you to be creative.

>>389355383
You're not sure if you'd do better than the pidgeon are you?

>>389356475
why the fuck are lefties almost universally bad at vidya
nearly all the professional players (or really good players in pub gameplay) I've seen discussing political matters are right-wing

>>389356598
>Not having things spelled out for you in the tutorial
Great game design there, anon.

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>TFW CASUAL FILTER IS LITERALLY THE FIRST JUMP

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>>389352108
>figures out he needs to jump+dash from the block
>fails to do so another four times
I long for death

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>/v/ is defending a literal retard

Is this the lowest we gotten?

>>389356837
>not putting 2 and 2 together
>2+2=urafaggot

>>389357434
Wait has anyone defended this faggot? They have to be trolling.

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>>389347527

someone post the link to the past review where the writer is complaining about nothing happening while he waits in the house for his uncle to come back

>>389357106
At least that just represents a lack of skill or reflexes. Everything up to that point was a fundamental lack of basic understanding of that entire genre of video games.

>>389356683
But repeatedly dying is frustrating, especially when it's some new mechanic that kills you based on novelty alone.
A tutorial is a perfect place to teach an air dash, especially since it's, you know, an air dash? It's something that, by its own nature, can't be performed without jumping. So combining the two only makes sense.
Having extra steps doesn't solve the issue. People will still jump, long jump and then air dash on that very same screen.
My question is: If people are gonna jump, long jump and air dash on that screen anyway, what does adding a few steps do?
Absolutely nothing in my opinion. Blockhead takashitty would still be air dashing late as he was clearly doing in his gameplay.

>>389357490
No one is really defending him, just suggesting the tutorial could use a bit of fine-tuning.

>>389358120
>needing a tutorial for a fucking platformer

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>>389349071
>>389354298
happy birthday you glorious faggots!

Have a Honey Select card

>all the overhead lights in this guys place are burned out because he can't figure out to stand on a chair or ladder to change the bulbs

>>389352407
>this was posted by somebody who browses /v/
Fuck off you retarded non-game design understanding ass faggot
There's literally nothing wrong with that part of the tutorial and you'd have to have severe mental deficiencies to struggle with it. Far too severe to be able to actually play the game

>>389358025
Because that would negate the possibility that there is another method besides air+dash to get over the tall block. You don't want ambiguity in the tutorial. You really need to be as explicit as possible as the tutorial is there to teach the basics.

>>389358183
Yeah, because all platformers are the same and doesn't have unique mechanics that makes it different from one-another.

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>>389352108

>>389349071
Happy birthday, you utter faggot.

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>>389358490
THEN
> Megaman X introduced the concept of dash and dash jumping to the mega man franchise
> No tutorial on sight
> Everyone played the game just FINE

NOW
> Super graphic and hand holding tutorial is needed to pass above some random obstacle with a mechanic that's not even new or gimmicky, or else the game is rendered unplayable

>>389357106
>even after that, he never makes use of the dashes in the first level

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>>389352108

>>389358490
But why would there be another option when it is instructing you to jump and dash? It's literally an all white screen with black bold letters telling you what those buttons do, jump and dash.
And the tutorial does a great job negating all the other possibilities considering there aren't any. Show me someone getting over the tall block without jumping on the smaller block and air dashing over it and you might have a point there.
Giving a player the controls and then telling them to figure it out is quite literally as basic as it should be.
Learning through gameplay is a wonderful thing and chowderhead takashitpants is a silly goose.

>>389358826
Yes, after dying repeatedly. I am not sure why you're defending that games shouldn't teach you how to play the game in the tutorial.

>>389359160
Because the tutorial is not the game. It's there to teach you the basics. Playing the game by combining all the basics is what the main game is for. There should be no room for ambiguity in the tutorial.

>>389359303
There is no ambiguity.

>>389358826
it's more like this:
>someone has knowledge and experience in videogames
>can easily and quickly figure out and experiment with game mechanics
versus
>someone who doesn't seem to know how to even read english
>can't figure out basic tutorial from lack of intelligence and lack of ability to read

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I had to make it.

>>389359396
And how are you so sure you can't make a standing hard jump+dash without the small block?

>>389352407
t. venturebeat employee

>>389359474
are you crazy? this is dark souls tutorial, place some QTE ffs

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>>389352108
hes gotta have some kind of learning disability right?
isnt it rude to make fun of him

>>389350160
Big nose a shit

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>>389349071
Shit anon congratulations. Never change.

>>389349071
have a nice cuppa tea and have some fun

>>389352108
10/10

>>389349071
Happy b day bitch

>>389359303
Your definition of 'basics' and mine are completely different and we will never agree. Combining basics is asking Megaman to jump and shoot. It's not as foreign as you're making it out to be. It's definitely something a player NEEDS to know to beat the game.
And yes, a tutorial is definitely a part of the game. It's literally in the game. What are you talking about?
I've been saying literally enough times in responses to you that I'm convinced you're some kind of subtle troll. Have a good day, I'm gonna go take a wicked shit and get some tacos to shit some more.
But that meatball head takashitstains is still a daffy duck. We can at least agree on that.

>>389359168
No you fucking melon people tested dashing as soon as they got it in the capsule areas which were perfectly safe, theres no dying involved. This mentality that you have to walk the player through the very basics like a toddler is cancer. Just stick the info in the help section or manual like old games did it.

>>389358826
>first stage of megaman X
>no tutorial
>bottomless pits everywhere
>requires wall jumping, a new concept in megaman
>people figured it out naturally and it's never been questioned as a flawed decision
Somewhere along the way either retards got into gaming or we've become stupider.

>>389349071
Inb4 user was banned for this post

>>389360101
The games assumed that you have read the manual before starting. It was a better way of doing things.

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>>389349071
Happy Birthday! No matter how bad of a day you ever have, you'll never be as bad as Dean.

>>389360249
Nobody read manuals, not an argument for people's ability to perform the action without prior knowledge.

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>>389347069
How can anyone be this bad at video games?

>>389360094
Who the fuck reads the help section or manual in this modern age? I read manuals whenever i can for any unexplained lore stuff but a vast majority of players do not read the damn thing.

Why does everyone keeps focusing on the tutorial part.

It's funny i get it, but him dying over 30 times on the first level and not being able to go halfway through it is much better.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l59MaLXJ2-Q

>>389360327
Nah a lot of people read manuals not even just to learn how to play but because they had a lot of neat info. Anyway thats not the point, the point is that the manuals being standard made sure devs had a good excuse for not wasting time with tutorials.

>>389360101
>THEN
People played vidya because they liked vidya
>NOW
People play vidya because it's 'cool'

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>>389347527
>My 5 year old wife

>>389360654
>a lot of people read manuals
Hahahaha, oh god no. That is not true whatsoever.

>>389360327
I remember reading the manuals on my way home from best buy after my parents had bought me the game.

>>389359474
Don't forget to explain how to stop moving without having to crouch

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>>389349071
Happy Birthday anon
I love you too
No homo

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>>389360779
this, i miss when things were that simple

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>>389360779
iktfb

>>389360765
t. only exprience of classic games is playing on an emulator

Why isn't it just A to jump and then A to dash? Y is in such a fucking horrible spot relative to A

>>389347397
You can't crawl, so you'll never be able to pass the first part of the tutorial. Congratulations, retard.

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>>389360865
I added some clarifications. Referring to the character as "you" might be too difficult to understand.

>>389353776
>SMB hard
all hope is lost

>>389361327
think he meant meat boy

>>389349071
happy birthday

>>389361272
Because pressing A in the air is parry. And if you ask "why isn't it X then", it's because X is shoot.

>>389361382
okay, this would make more sense

>>389347069

I know internet is busy making fun of that VentureBeat video, but remember all those "gaming journalists" are 45-years-old people that never play videogames since the Atari 2600

>>389361272
a in the air is to parry

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>>389358826

Outside of Megaman or Marios other plataformers dont use Dash+Jump, the fact Cuhphead tutorial is aimed to the average people too old for care about megaman and marios

>>389352827
a much easier explanation is that birds dont try to fly in enclosed spaces too small to strech their wings, which would only result in injury.

>>389352108
to be fair, what the fuck are those buttons?
Where is square x o triangle?

>>389361205
Speak for yourself. You must not have had friends with vidya in the 90's. If you did, they probably thought you were an autist for asking to see the game manual as they turned on the SNES.

>>389352108
>birds are more intelligent than professional game journalists

>>389361382
That's pretty much what I meant, but it's quite amusing to have people think it meant super mario brothers.

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>>389347527
>5 year old wife's son

>>389361382
Meat Boy isn't hard.

>>389352108
I love it

>>389352108
I would tweet this to him if he hadn't already blocked me.

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>>389354782
Holy shit, it's true!

>>389361956
The fuck are you talking about did you have friends over 24/7?

>>389361956
Nah, that just sounds like you had shitty judgmental friends or are incredibly insecure.
Probably both.
You reek of being 'that guy,' the punching bag nobody actually likes but they keep around to make fun of.

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>some people saying the tutorial doesn't explain enough

I figured out to jump into the paintings in SM64 and complete the game when I was 5 years old and you're trying to tell me that the actions of this fucking MONKEY are somewhat understandable because the tutorial could have explained it better?

Actually that's an insult to monkeys I'm sure they could've figured this out faster than this 20 years experience in gaming industry mongoloid.

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>>389355795
It didn't say "dash will tahe higher/fartger that your regular jump"

> A dash
> Dont say to take you farther

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>>389362239
>game play

>>389362513
>I figured out to jump into the paintings in SM64
Literally how. The game doesn't tell you anything like that.
>Brah, just speak to the Toad!
And how were you supposed to know how to speak to the Toad, or that you could in the first place?

>>389347527
nice meme /b/ro! teach me your craft sometime!

>>389362342
>>389362384
Way to prove you never played vidya at your friends' homes as a kid in the 90's. I guess that's to be expected from this generation who grew up on xbox live.

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>>389349071
Happy birthday to you,
happy birthday to you,
happy birthday dear anon,
happy birthday to you

>>389362879
Were you a poorfag who only played on your friends systems or something, because otherwise this argument makes no sense. Whipping out manuals with friends was rare but we also played games one of us was already familliar with, I read manuals at homes and I read manuals when we traded games/consoles for a bit.

>>389347527
>My 5 year old wife
PBU(you)

>>389355795
I thought japs had 1300 IQ.

>>389349071
Happy Birthday!

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>>389352108
A FUCKING PIGEON IS SMARTER THAN A VIDEO GAME "JOURNALIST" WITH 20 YEARS OF EXPERIENCE
THE ABSOLUTE STATE OF THIS INDUSTRY

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>>389347069
never underestimate the stupidity of the average human
they will Always amaze

>>389362130
This
It just feels like shit to control and is floaty as fuck

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>>389352108
Perfect.

>>389363414
What am I looking at?

>>389363151
I did both, but I usually didn't read them prior to playing the game. The point is, they were rarely necessary for understanding a game's mechanics, especially for simpler platformer and adventure games.

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>>389352108
>The bird figures out how to move the block before the reviewer even manages to figure out the dash button exists
>Bird figures out how to get the meal before the reviewer is even at the proper spot on the stage to start climbing over it.

>>389353945
Just to add more fuel on this fire, you can't make that argument against NES games because NES games came with manuals you were expected to read.
>Buh nobody reads manuals!
They did back then because video games were a completely new endeavor that nobody had seen before or understood. In-game tutorials didn't become a thing until the used-game market became a thing and space became less limited, allowing for text and better artwork.

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>>389356416
>one right turn was enough to confuse some literal fuckwit
>oh instead of telling the playtester that he is a dimwitted idiot with IQ of 75 and telling him to get the fuck out let's take that right turn out
Humanity won't cease to amaze me how stupid some people can be.

>>389363424
Don't this my post if you have shit opinions.
Meat Boy is extremely tight controls-wise you're just so used to platformers with high friction that you can't adjust.
It's still incredibly easy

>>389363523
Kino

>>389363529
For console games they weren't obviously but that was never my point. The point is that devs will always want to include some type of tutorial just in case the player might be struggling understanding the basics. Now it's in-game tutorials, before it was manuals. And I'm saying that manuals are the better way of doing things because they make sure devs don't waste your time.

>>389349071
Happy Birthday anon.

What a nice thread. Also, cuphead actually looks pretty fun. Might get it on steam.

The Dean guy who was playing in the OP's webm actually related the game's difficulty to dark souls

not even joking

>>389363523
SS13 furry server

>>389363909
Give me 3 platformers with momentum/low friction that are GOAT

>>389363523
Apparently, the stupidity of the average human.

>>389355795

The worst part is he never once plays it off as having a momentary mental lapse and laughing about it.

We've all banged our head against a wall stupidly in a game for a long time before coming up with an obvious solution, but this guy is sitting here defending his retardedness.

>>389364703
Sonic 2
Meatboy
Freedom Planet

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>>389355795
>>389364143

>>389365274
>Sonic
I'll concede this
>Super Meet Boy
Come on, anon. You can't pick that one. We were just talking about it so it's excluded
>Freedom Planet
Fuuuuck no

>>389364021
It's hard to argue which is better, because they teach the player differently. You can't expect the same level of understanding from someone who reads an info dump vs one who was placed in a simulated environment to use the techniques he just learned.

Manuals have never been necessary imo, for simpler games the game is simple enough to learn intuitively or with an info box as they are introduced, and for more complex games the information is usually worked into the game to ease the player into understanding its concepts. I don't think at any point you should expect players to have read information elsewhere to play the game, because it's just not going to happen with a lot of people.

>>389349071
Happy bday, anon. I love you

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>>389347775
Aww this was sweet

>>389365407
This man has no place writing dat shit.

Its not fair that because of that mouth breathing faggot, the game wont sell as good as it should.

All the hard work put in this game will be for naught, thanks to the power of memes.

>>389365407
The funniest part is all the people trying to defend him with "DO SPORTS REPORTERS NEED TO BE PROFESSIONALS AT THE SPORT? DO FOOD CRITICS NEED TO BE WORLD-CLASS CHEFS???"

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>>389365407
>I-If I'm so bad, let's see you play it better!
That's really not the angle one ought to take in this situation

>>389353945
You had three lives, and three buttons. If someone got Game Over without making it past the first Gomba, they were dying by doing the same thing over and over again.
-Pressing right moved you into the Goomba and killed you.
-Pressing B does nothing (no fire flower yet), holding B makes Mario run, and running into the Goomba kills you.
-Pressing A makes Mario jump. You could either jump over the Goomba, or on top of it to kill it.
The first level of Super Mario is actually a pretty well designed tutorial, it introduces you to 80-90% of the game's mechanics in 2 minutes, without any button prompts or even having any words to read.

>>389365525
It's irrelevant which is better as a teaching tool imo because outside of some hardcore pc genres video games are incredibly simple and intuitive to learn. Tutorials in simpler games generally exist because of an unrealistic concept of a new player that does not apply to the overwhelming majority of players in any way. It's just better in the sense that it's the least intrusive. Manuals don't have to be located outside of games, most games nowadays have a help section with some basic info that could be expanded for example.

>>389356242
>>389356298
>>389356343

The thing that drives me more crazy about this is the fact that they were testers. Shouldn't they have tried going up there anyways specifically to make sure that the player couldn't get up there if they weren't supposed to?

>>389359643
The only disability he has is human kindness.

>>389363189
All japs do is play visual novels and mobile shit.

>>389365948
>It's irrelevant which is better as a teaching tool imo because outside of some hardcore pc genres video games are incredibly simple and intuitive to learn.
Well, these threads have pretty much been all about the tutorial's effectiveness and whether they're necessary...

>>389365463
If you like Sonic but dislike Freedom Planet I'm going to assume you didn't play it because it has furries in it.

>>389366314
Didnt do this guy much good and hes close to the type of brainlet these tutorials are made for

>>389366852
Sonic doesn't have furries?

>>389366865
I guess that's just what it comes down to.

>>389366852
Anon, I played and Undertale and Solatorobo and liked both. It has nothing to do with furry shit.

this is nice thread