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YOU DO WELL
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HA HA
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DROPPED IT
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BUSTER CANNON
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KEEEEE
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>>389319591
VEGGIE
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ALRIGHT GIMME THAT STUPID ENERGY
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>>389319167
WELCOME TO SUPER FAJITAS BIG BANG THEROY!

WELCOME TO THE ELDER SCROLLS 4: OBLIVION!
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"you do well for a NIGGER"
how did they get away with that?
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>>389319729
Fuck that one cracks me up
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Tasty!
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HOW RUDE
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>>389319729
>>389319947

It's actually canon too. Cells spirit bomb is stronger than anything Goku can use. Cell doesn't harness positive energy. He literally takes the entire planets "stupid" energy. Every last humans stupid thought goes into that spirit bomb.

It's one of the most powerful attacks in DB franchise.
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>>389319729
why does he have this ultimate in every game? he never used the spirit bomb...
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God you guys are autistic, no wonder you're loser virgins
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Is that all?
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>>389320065
He bragged that he could tho
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>The liddle bird flew away...

The fuck does Android 16 mean by this?
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>>389320065
Cell specifically mentions that he can do it you fucking fag
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SAW IT
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>>389319824
I heard Raimi was doing some of the localisations for the script. It was a different time for sure.
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>>389320069
>post wrestling image
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YOU PUNK
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>>389320103
>>389320135
don't you need to be pure of heart or some shit to use the spirit bomb
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>>389320229
Cell is the king of forced absorbtion. He could suck a planet dry of all of its energy with a spirit bomb, then let it fizzle out, just for fun.
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I actually liked chainsmoker voiced Freiza
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>>389320229
pure evil
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I FOUND YOU
ALL MINE
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>>389320338
WHAT DO YOU THINK OF MY POWER
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UWWARGH
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YOU CREEP
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COUP DE GRACE
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>>389320308
Miles better than the fucking hat and monocle sounding new one.
Also, am i the only kid that knew Frieza wasn't a fucking chick?
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You cheeky monkey!
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HOW RUUUDE
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MILKY CANNON
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GET THIS
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>>389320565
Cell?
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>>389320042
>It's actually canon
source?
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>>389320042
When does cell use it? I don't remember seeing it.
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>>389320840
Trunks
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>>389320338
Was that when Buu absorbs a random character?

>absorbs Yamcha and is weaker
>absorbs Tien,Cell, and Frieza get cooler design in their cases

Everyone shat on Budokai 2 for the board game but I liked it and I think that's the only time Super Buu absorbs them and noticeable difference.
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GEOTA
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I'M GONNA BEAT YOU LIKE A RUG
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>>389320738
Only a fucking retard would think Frieza was a chick. It's not like Flea from Chrono Trigger giving it a feminine appearance only to be a faggot.
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>>389320854
He mentions that he knows the spirit bomb technique when he's fighting Goku. He likely just doesn't use it because using a technique that borrows energy from outside sources is tantamount to admitting that he's not perfect. The perfect being would need no help to defeat it's opponents.
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MEGATON CROSS ATTACK
DEEEEPENATEND
YO
KAIEEEED
ZERO
TASTY
EAT DICK
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Uhhhhhhhhhhh Here
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>>389319729
What's the line he says in Budokai GCN? It always fucking sounds like "Big Cookie Energy".
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>>389321083
>He mentions that he knows the spirit bomb technique when he's fighting Goku
I know, but do you have any sources for the "stupid energy" and the "The perfect being would need no help to defeat it's opponents" bullshit?
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>>389321062
Lol chill boi I wouldn't go that far, it's just that a lot of people i knew thought frieza was a bitch.
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>>389321083
he said during his fight and reveal with Piccolo actually in Ginger Town
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DOUBLE SUNDAY
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>>389321290
.. the stupid energy thing was clearly a joke man
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>>389321290
Stupid energy is anon goofing you, the second part is just my own educated guess on why Cell never used the spirit bomb.
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>>389321321
Why was his attacks named after days of the week? Is that canon in the show?
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>>389321321
DABOOL SUNDAE
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FINAL FLASH
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MASTER LIST OF POTENTIAL CHARACTERS:

*Characters listed from their initial appearance, of course including later stuff.
*This only takes into account moveset quantity(including transformations and potential support stuff), not moveset uniqueness.
*Moveset source must be manga for DB/DBZ(primarily) and anime for OVA/Specials/Filler/Movies/GT/Super. Games are complementary only.
*Being able to fly(in some way) and fire ki blasts(this doesn't mean having a dedicated ki button) is a requirement until a character that doesn't have either or both gets in.
*Yeah, lots of Super characters have potential, but they must first show more moves.

DB:
-Kid Goku(flight with Nimbus)
-Yamcha
-Roshi(flight with Gamera)
-Tien
-King Piccolo
-Base Goku

DBZ:
-Raditz
-Kid Gohan
-Nappa
-Base Vegeta
-Dodoria
-Zarbon
-Ginyu
-Recoome
-19
-17
-Imperfect Cell
-Future Gohan
-Dabura
-Majin Vegeta
-Super Buu
-Gotenks
-Ultimate Gohan
-Vegito
-Kid Buu

TV Specials/OVAs:
-Bardock

Anime Filler:
-Pikkon

Movies:
-Turles
-Lord Slug
-Cooler
-Meta Cooler
-13
-Broly
-Bojack
-Janemba
-Gogeta

GT:
-Pan
-Kid Goku (GT)
-Rilldo
-Baby Vegeta
-Majuub
-SS4 Goku
-Super 17
-Nuova Shenron
-Omega Shenron

Super:
-Beerus
-Hit
-Black
-Merged Zamasu
-Bergamo(w/Basil&Lavender)
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Did it bother anyone else that Perfect Cells voice lines still used his first form's voice?
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For what you did to Krillin, I'll never forgive you.
I WILL AVENGE HIMMMMMMMM
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>>389321473
Raditz is like Trunks in the sense that his attacks don't actually have names in the show. So they make them up.
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MASENKO
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>>389321529
It bothered everyone dude. Had something to do with the Japanese voice being the same in all forms.
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>>389321529
It used to bother me but now i think it's hilarious.
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>>389321596
HAA
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I guess 10 days is just too long to wait for the tournament. >>389321718
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WIMP! SPINELESS JELLYFISH!
Geez. He's got three eyes. What shape are his glasses?
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>>389321502
A lot of games have Dabura and to this day i'm convinced no one has ever played with that character.
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>>389321541
Are you talking about Krillin?

DON'T YOU DARE TALK ABOUT KRILLIN!
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>>389321718
>>389321769
Jesus, this is the only 'what if' that matters
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>>389319167
BEAT IT PUNK
DROP DEAD
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IT'S A TIE!
IT'S A TIE!
IT'S A TIE!
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>>389321718
>>389321769
I love how it was all a bad dream.
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>>389321854
I played him, he's cool.
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WONTHITME
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WHAHITME
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>>389319167
NOT BAAAAAAAAD

DISAPPEAR
FOR GOOD
YAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>those Master Roshi turtle spinning minigames were never used in anything else

Shit man I would love loading screenshots if they had those or at least Snake getting cancer like MGS4 did.
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>>389322082
>>389322107
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>tfw this scene was better than the anime counterpart

https://youtu.be/jt_Wa7F3mco
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>>389319167
>Recoome
>They use the dog shit Funi Dub voice actor.
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WOLF FANG VOLLEYBALL FIST!
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>>389322082
Huh, so that's what he's saying
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>>389322240
There's nothing wrong with Recoome.
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>>389322240
I'll never understand why Sabat gave him a retard voice. Even the Ocean dub Recoome was better.
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BALLS BALLS
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>>389319167
I have felt this way since I was literally fucking 11 years old: Why was Recoome always in over Jeice or Burter? I understand his fight with Vegeta was way more involved than Jeice and Burter getting fucked up by Goku, but on that front fuck Toriyama. Why design someone as cool looking as Jeice and have him do nothing cool? Granted it's been a while since I've watched DBZ but I always hated how Recoome and Ginyu were always the only GF members that made it into games.
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>>389322212
>there will never be a DB game that has cutscenes this good
Fuck.
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>>389322240
Cause using a different dub actor for only Recoome would've made more sense.
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>>389322212
amazing
>that gohan
i missed when goku gave a shit, namek super saiyan goku is the best
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THE SAIYANS ARE A TRUE WARRIOR RACE
DON'T UNDERESTIMATE US
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DUN DUN DUN
SUPER GHOST KAMIKAZE ATTACK

*Baby Vegeta clearly uses final flash*
BIG BANG ATTACK

SCRAM!
*BUUZA*
scram.

RIGHTBACKATYA
RIGHTWHEREIWANTYOU
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>>389322537
MY POWERS CANNOT BE MEASURED BY SUCH SIMPLE OBSERVATIONS
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>>389322520
Dbz is better if you think of the Frieza saga as the true ending and the rest as just dumb fun.
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>>389322537
Damn that line was delivered so well, when does it get said?
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AH! LORD FRIEZA!
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>YOU'RE GONNA DO THAT?
>LOOK AT YOU
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>>389320613
I love this one
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>>389319729
>I told you I could do it if I wanted to!
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>>389321437
>>389321418
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>>389322212
>>389322423
What are really underrated are Burst Limit's cutscenes, the animations and visual effects in them are insane
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>>389322212
that one and this are my favorite
https://youtu.be/y7YZ3ws8oXE
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>>389319167
Holy shit this is nostalgic, loved the first two games but only had a gamecube, so I never played 3. Is it any good.

>>389320308
>>389320738
Gohan's child voice actor sucks now. Why did they get rid of the old one?
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>Most ultimates are easy to use if you get the first hit in.
>Except for teen Gohan who has a lag between the last hit and the skill being used, allowing it to be blocked.
Pretty sure that is what made the last battle against Cell hard.
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>>389322927
Vegeta's theme was so fitting in that game
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>>389322978
Raging Blast 2
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>>389322917
Hate how people shit on this game for no Buu shit as if that saga was actually any good.
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>>389322387
The length of the fight is the whole reason. Because he's around longer he has a lot of moves to pull from. Guldo only has the time stop, Jeice just has Crusher Ball, Burter is fast and has Blue Hurricane and they have a team up move together. Recoome just has way more moves and Ginyu is the leader so they take precedence most of the time.
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>>389320319
That was a fucking bullshit explanation and you know it
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>>389322978
Budokai 3 is one of the best DBZ games ever made.
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>>389322917
80% of burst limit is just are used fighting animations and people standing around doing nothing. It could have been Budokai tier but it fell short by a lot.
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>>389321473
no. rumor has it that when the game devs were in a meeting and the topic came up, someone noticed a calender on the wall and said lets just use that
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>tfw your favorite character always got shafted in games

GT had some cool designs
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I'LL KILL
FAREWELL FOREVER
WHAT'D YOU SAY?
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>tfw used to cycle in and out of mr popo's shop for dragon balls to get breakthrough with all characters.
Learning move canceling was the best thing ever.
Saved me many broken controllers with advanced tournament cheap ass AI
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>>389323117
Guldo also has telekinesis and the ability to get his head cut off thn blink a couple times like that guy did.
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>>389323092
Dude it was the immediate follow up to Tenkaichi 3 for next gen consoles, going back to that small of a roster was fucking unacceptable after the orgy of fanservice that was T3.
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>>389321854
I loved the shit out of Dabura in the budokai games. I was an edgy tween and here's this devil with a big sword and fire moves. I ate that shit right up. always used his alt palette because "blue isn't as badass as black"
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>>389322212
>not posting best cutscene
https://youtu.be/9tWUwo6icn4?t=3218
YOU'RE A CHIIIIIIIIILDDD
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Anyone remember fighting against Kid Buu in Budokai 2's story mode? As a kid brought me close to tears with how fucking cheap he was
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>>389323417
Dameon Clark will always be the best Cell
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>>389320738
As a kid, until I heard someone call an alien him or her, I assumed they were genderless. Frieza especially threw me off because his body looks male but one of the first things I noticed about him was that he looked like he had lipstick on, which to kid me was physically impossible for a dude.

For some reason though I was totally convined that Tails from Sonic was a girl even though my sister kept telling me he wasn't.
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>>389323494
DBZ B3's Z3 mode was just unfair
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>>389322293
I always found it weird that none of the games threw in a wolf fang kamehameha despite wolf fang fist ending with a two handed palm thrust perfect for shooting a beam out of
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>>389323362
I'll live without being able to play Chioatzu Babdi and Burter
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>>389321854
>>389322051
>>389323392
How the fuck is Dabura still not in the Xenoverse games? I mean his sister is the main villain for fuck's sake. If he isn't a major player in 3 I'm gonna be pissed.
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>>389323269
Am I retarded in liking the spave adventures and designs but really not giving a shit about the story? I liked that GT gameboy beat em up a lot and wish they actually finished the GT story with a sequel because it only covered up til Baby died.

Piccolo's death in GT made me feel.
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>>389322813
I think it was when Vegeta fought transformed Zarbon
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>>389323417
My nigga, the way his jaw looks at the end always cracks me up
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>>389323494
Had some serious rubber banding too, sometimes I would just sweep a round with zero effort, and the next round I wouldn't be able to get more than like 5 hits in.
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>>389323593
GT was only good at the Baby arc. rest was shit
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>>389323494
I played B2 a bunch back when it was new back then. But I don't having a hard time with Kid Buu like everyone else.

I'm sure that would change today if I ever replay it however
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>>389319167

BROOOTHEEEEER!!
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>>389323494
Yep, really had to buckle down to kill that pink midget. And you had to beat him like...five times?

Makes sense, he was the big bad of that game.
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>>389322240
because thats all we had at the time?
they weren't gonna use fucking Ocean dub
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>continous Kamehameha
>Was just a ki volley
DADADADADADDA
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>>389323648
SS4 was a great design and the idea of evil dragons was cool but poorly executed.
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>>389319237
he said drop dead
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FANTASTIC BODY!
CHANGE NOW!!!
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>>389322978
She had moved away and didn't want to travel to the studio all the time to record

yes I am being serious
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>>389323650
*remember
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i miss the old blue capsule rushes from budokai 1.
the breakthrough versions were the best.
seeing trunks go from one kick to a helicopter kick blew my mind back then.
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>>389320738
>implying Jap Freeza wasn't supposed to be equally as tophat-and-monocle as Chris Ayers' portrayal
Zfags, everyone
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reminder that kai is better than z
https://youtu.be/X_FMibSdpIU
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>>389323494
My brother and I loved DBZ and we rented Budokai from Blockbuster but I was like 5 or 6 can't remember so my brother had to beat it. Remember him struggling like a motherfucker on that final Cell fight.

I want to die or go back so badly.
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>>389323757
>yes I am being serious
I mean it's not that hard to believe
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YOU should be happy
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>>389323845
I'm not implying that, i just don't like it.
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DODON RAY
DODON RAY
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>>389322917
Gameplay mY be shit but I honestly think Burst Limit is the best looking DBZ game overall, FighterZ included. The in-game models for FighterZ look really good but they don't mesh well with the backgrounds at all.
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>tfw stole Super DBZ from a kid I hated
>felt so smug and happy when I did it
That game was shittier than I was
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>>389323582
>no Dabura
>no Super 13
>no Baby Vegeta other than his unplayable golden ape
>Lord Slug doesn't have Become Giant as an awakening despite that being his whole deal
>Bojack doesn't have his transformation either

at lest we're supposed to finally be getting Super Buuhan in DLC5 this month.
we might get Dabura in XV3 if they decide to bring in Towa's grandfather, who goes around reviving demons and granting them demon god forms once he gets unsealed.
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>>389320308
>>389320738
https://youtu.be/VCttS3LeCOQ
>is better than
https://youtu.be/aYTUVp2mHC8
end your fucking life
jesus nigger christ I have never encountered such shit taste
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>>389323902
>Better
>Was worse
Nice try. Kai actors sound tired.
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>>389322927
>>389322520
>>389322423
>>389323417
>these cutscenes

I'm impressed. You can really tell a lot of love went into making this shit work. Also some of the graphics are genuinely impressive, like trunks getting beamed by cell
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>>389324150
That's so.. petty
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>>389322813
Dirty Fireworks in Tenkaichi
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>Budokai HD collection came out after the plagiarism scandal
>didn't even know about it until after i bought the game
>"aw yeah can't wait to play B1 and B3 in glorious HD!!
>sit through B3 intro
>intro song is different
>what the fuck?!
>mfw i found out about all the audio and ost being replaced

it felt like seeing and old friend who grew up to be a total faggot, you aren't who i remember you to be and the new you sucks balls in comparison
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>>389323582
Xenoverse is shit. That's why
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>>389324256
Lol calm down man it's an anime
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>>389324256
Yea, it is. Kill yourself nigger.
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>>389323734
dropped dead makes more sense tho
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>>389324371
Well put
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>>389323757
but she does the voice for ohko. what did she move back now. also. who walks away from dragonball money. chris sabat made bank off that. was it serious that she move.
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>>389324371
Thanks for reminding me, i was just about to pop in the remake. Time to go find my ps2
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>>389324378
imo everything apart from the combat and story is great in Xenoverse
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>>389324535
Wasn't she pregnant?
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>>389319167
Bit of music for the thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0LtytTGQYlo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BfVR5PT8wsk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BvKtoxOoYFM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8wWYurR7Ohw
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>>389324309
>>389324498
confidently saying something blatantly wrong doesn't make it right
there's more energy put into a single line of kai than an entire scene of the original, they were literal amateurs with no experience on how to emote appropriately
this is objective fact that they themselves will admit, and is blatantly obvious to anyone with ears or any experience with human emotions
https://youtu.be/yZlLQ2DBU6Q
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>>389324091
>Super DBZ
>shit
kys my man, super DBZ was an actual fighting game. In fact there are still people in japanese arcades playing it today. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9B_ysOqPsE
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>>389325001
Ur an actual fighting game lol swaq
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>>389324613
As a fanservice game it has less moves and CaC customization than that 3DS game Fusions. The graphics don't compliment the hub worlds making them look ugly and the music was terrible too outside of a few exceptions.
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>>389321502
This isnt a DBFZ thread, stop posting your bad list
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>>389325163
fuck
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RECCOOME ULTRA BOMBER
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>>389324948
>muh emotes
No one cares, faggot. You sound like the kind of retard who likes wuantity over quality. DBZ had far better voice acting than Kai and this isn't debatable unless you're a low IQ monkey.

>THEY WRE AMATEURS AND COULDN'T EMOTE
Funny since they did it far better than anything from Kai. Kai's voice acting work was plebshit in comparison and I'm pretty sure the VA's delibirately made it that way so that VA's didn't bitch about their throats hurting. Not to mention that even the Ocean Dub was better than Kai's shit. Neck yourself faggot.
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>>389324686
>Early DBZ games sported some of the best tracks in the franchise's history
>Kenji Yamamoto catches some fucking plagarism bullshit and the music is removed in later collections
Man, a lot of the those tracks were dynamite, and the "infringing songs" were similar at worst.
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>>389322978
>>389324535
>>389324615
She got arrested before Kai was dubbed.
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>>389325541
what was the crime.

also what happened to the old 18 voice actor.
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>>389325481
You are lying to yourself, that first song is blatantly plagarized. You would know this if you listened to the original song.
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>>389325481
>and the "infringing songs" were similar at worst
You clearly haven't listened to them. Many were identical
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>>389325481
>tfw Kenji Yamamoto did the Ost for Kai
>then was replaced with the same 3 songs throughout the cell saga
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>>389325467
https://youtu.be/EdGa-2BSFiI
I can't imagine living through life being as stupid and blinded by nostalgia as you
for the record ocean actually had better acting than early funimation also, who were in fact just poorly imitating the previous ocean actors for a long time
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>>389322082
>>389322107
I heard GONEARME
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>>389325842
Does it sound amateurish? Yes, but it's certainly better than kai's garbage. I'm not blinded by nostalgia either, I know its not that good, the argument was wether or not it's better than Kai's and it is. Especially Frieza's voice. God damn, how can yu listen to both of those and prefer Kai? He sounds like a fucking faggot from California.
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>>389325595
DUI.
https://youtu.be/94KhY9LDCYQ?t=550
The old one probably retired, I think.
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>>389325842
fucking hell that was awful
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>>389325467
Ocean dub's Ginyu Force was a lot more menacing than the Funimation one.
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>>389326106
now compare that with kai
https://youtu.be/DZkT8ugTz8Y
funny what nearly two decades of voice acting experience can do
@389326001
I'm not giving out any more (you)s for your blatant retardation buddy
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>>389325001
that game has some fucking good music too
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>>389326343
>does nothing but posts vegeta, the only kai VA work thats better than the very early funi dub versions
Everybody else was worse in Kai, and Vegeta's is only better at the beginning. By the Cell Saga funi >>>>> Kai by a land slide. I accept your concession retard. The fact that you think Kai's VA's are overall batter than Funi is pathetic. Especially fucking Frieza or Gohan of all fucking things.
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>>389325595
nearly every long time voice change is because of scheduling reasons or something similar that prevents them from being able to show up to record regularly, minus stuff like frieza which was a deliberate attempt to be more faithful or recasting some of chris sabat's 10 quadrillion roles
18's old actor has been back since battle of gods
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>>389326564
>moving the goalposts
>ignoring the not vegeta examples
okay friendo, one last (you) for making me laugh
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>>389324371
>plagiarism scandal
explain i never heard about this before but i knew the music was changed
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I'll send you to the next world with this.
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>>389320229
Cell is very simple minded. He likes to fight, he wants to be the strongest. He just doesnt care about anyone else. Cant get more pure than that.

He is basically a mix of goku and sayian saga vegeta that never had the chance to join the gank unlike 90% of the other villains.
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>>389319591

CHIIIIIIIIIIIIIII
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>>389326712
What goalposts? I didn't move a god damn thing you delusional waifufag. Maybe you should read the auote line again.
>non vegeta examples
Like what? Frieza? That was already commented on. If you actually try telling me that Gohan's kai voice was better than his Funi voice I'm not joking when I tell you to kill yourself.
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>>389326579
i really hope she is in the game as well. the kai gohan is going to be so annoying.
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>>389326847

He wants to kill entire planets, solar systems even. That's pretty evil.
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>>389326847
Pure of heart you faggot. Cell was blatsntly evil. He went around murdering entire cities and absorbing all the residents just so that he could get stronger. He got butthurt during his dumb tournament when Gohan BTFO him and tried blowing up the planet three times in retaliation to that. It doesn't make any sense for him to be able to use the Spirit Bomb.
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>>389326985
>>389327021
his heart was pure autism
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>>389326276
https://youtu.be/3nDC30IMeD8
best version of ginyu force coming through
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>>389326959
kai gohan grows on you eventually, similar to jap goku
in hindsight gohan's first VA made him sound way too old, she fit a lot better for kid goku
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>>389325467
Kai had better actingexcept gohan obviously and maybe bulma; however, the final chapters and super have shit acting compared to both
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>>389319167
>HD Collection doesn't include 2
>doesn't include the GOAT soundtrack and instead replaces it with some sort of J-pop elevator music
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>>389327084

>Not liking "that's one whopper of a lizard"

You have no soul

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qh3Y2Y8uz-4
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>>389319167
MY NAME IS RECOOME
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>>389327084
Fucking awful. Kaifags need to seek mental help.
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>>389320229
no, spirit bomb just doesn't harm people who are pure of heart. at least thats what goku said to gohan. so while cell could use the spirit bomb, he couldn't actually touch it directly without getting fucked up
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The Budokai cutscenes are a better abridged version of the DBZ story than Kai.

Some of the visuals, graphics, and the delivery from the voice actors were just plain better than the anime and the dramatic soundtrack was too. As a kid those cutscenes were the definitive Z for me really.
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>>389322674

Nothing irks me more than when the localization fucks up the names of attacks
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>>389327258
>final chapters
>bad acting
https://youtu.be/itEkyhV0P_s
it's literally still kai
super has shit audio quality for some reason but the acting is still of the same quality so I don't know what you're getting at
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>>389322674
>*Baby Vegeta clearly uses final flash*
>BIG BANG ATTACK
that happened in the show. they were just being faithful to GT
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>>389325842
It sounds cheesier and it reads a bit too unprofessionally but the voice fits better and you're delusional if you think that doesn't have more heart and/or character than generic leg gruf nu-vegeta. The way to described it you made it sound as if it was flip dub tier. I would take that over Kai any day. The kai one might be more experienced but the funi one has little quirks thst actuslly makes it seem like Vegeta is more of a character in comparison and not just some guy reading lines off of a sheet into a microphone. He actually gulped and when he saw Porunga he emoted that. Kai did none of that at all.
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>>389327398
>yfw spirit bomb is a shameless copy of devilmite beam
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>>389327763

His little quips were great.

>Great galaxy
>Son of a Namek
>Holy cosmos

I miss old Vegeta
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>>389327804
so's stardust breaker
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>>389327529
Budokai 1's cut scenes were great really..

Helps they actually used the in-game graphics honestly. I think that's why it stands out pretty well among things.
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>>389327804

Wasn't the devilmite beam even more powerful? It's supposed to instantly kill anyone with evil in their hearts, right? Even the the weaker spirit bomb attacks weren't able to kill Vegeta or Frieza
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WELCOME
TO SUPER VEGETA'S
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>>389327728
>piccolo doesn't sound like every other sabat character, especially like vegeta
That's my biggest problem with it, they're just slightly different accents.
Also, Goku has sounded worse since kai for whatever reason and Kyle Herbert is no longer the narrator.
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LOOK AT ME
LOOK AT ME
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>>389327763
I don't think a shitty forced imitation of ocean vegeta has more "heart" no, whatever the fuck that means
he's literally a prince, forcing a rasp to make him sound mondo cool is the antithesis of his actual character
>he's better cause he gulped
okay now I know you're baiting me
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TAKE ON MY EXTRA LARGE SPIRIT BALL
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>looking up how to unlock Budokai 3 characters on SuperCheats and spending hours trying to get Baby and Super 17 through map points and conditions that don't exist
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>>389321279
"THANKS FOR THE ENEAAARRJEEEEEE!!! :^^^^)"
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>>389319729
>genetically engineered perfect being
>apotheosis of every dominant race on the planet
>could bring the entire world to absolution but just gets bored and wants to fight people

king ryu is kind of a dick
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>>389327084
Funny how this shit manages to sound even more dated
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Obligatory for every thread
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFB408Tj9kg
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>>389327961
that's not exclusive to the final chapters though, and goku sounds really good in that also so I'm still not sure what you mean
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Cell being a shit-eating dick head back to Vegeta who was being a shit eating dick head to Cell in the scene before was so tasty it defined my concept of what villains should be like. The game delivered it way better than the show.

That smug look animated on his face as Vegeta kicks him in the head and does precisely nothing is masterful CG expression.
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>>389326712
>superfag shilling kai
not a good way to convince anyone of quality opinions
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how do you use a potara earring if you have no ears
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>>389328031
He's a prince of a dead kingdom somhe isn't allowed to quip and joke around? Are you just pretending to be retarded? Also I said the overall work was better because he actually seemed like more of a character in comparison. He emoted far more than the kai version did. The kai version didn't emote at all. The first sounds cheesily worried but kind of angry. He gulps so we see he's kind of worried a bit. The second one is just gruff and angry through and through and does nothing but talk in some gay space marine vegeta voice. So yes, it's better IMO.
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>>389328343
I'm not a superfag, I'm just marrying caulifla-san
diamond in the rough m8
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>>389328554

That's even worse. Get some help
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>>389328554
>degenerate waifushitter has bad opinions
Typical.
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>>389328343
Not him but Funi dub Kai is the best version of DBZ there will ever be

Shame about the plagiarism lawsuit
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>That kid that mained Kid Buu
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>>389325675
Link?
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This game was some horse shit o the harder difficulties where AI would do nothing but block and abuse the fact that the game's actual gameplay is so limited and barebones, Budokai 3 was a Godsend gamepaly wise. I played the fuck outta Budokai back in the day because it was like the first good looking DBZ fighting game and the cutscenes were amazing and all the character attacks and models were awesome, but I still pop it B3 nowadays when I actually wanna play some DBZ.

Also Krillin was some complete fuckery because half the casts' kicks and punches went straight over his bowling ball head.
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>>389327923
kinda. it doesn't so much guaranteed kill them as cause an explosion inside their body, so the likes of cel and buu could probably just regen the damage
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>>389328038
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-FHO5XZ3_VI
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>hear for years about Kai getting Buu saga eventually
>actually watch the conclusion to the series last year, when Cell dies
>it's fucking obvious

DBZ Kai Eng dub confirmed kino
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>>389328681
It's really not. The negatives of the Faulconer dub are not outweighed by the underwhelming dubbing of Kai.

Although I saw someone say kai up to end of frieza saga, and then funi for the rest and I think that's fair.
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>>389319416
FINISH BUSTER
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>>389328981
The way Teen Gohan said kamehame... ha realy fast was cool.
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>transform to Cell Perfect Form
>still has Cell first form voice
>this is present in every single game
>despite the fact that other character voices change based on transformation just fine
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>>389328681
No it isn't.
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>>389328682
>not maining kid buu
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>>389328376
>he's not allowed to quip and joke around?
that's not his character, you are defending a bastardization of what vegeta is done by a small dubbing company in the 90s that very literally didn't know better
what's next, are you gonna defend the superman-like flanderization of goku done in that dub too?
vegeta is clearly supposed to be furious and frustrated in that scene, it's extremely apparent in his body language and tense stance throughout, it's just that sabat didn't know wtf he was doing so he only sounded "kind of angry"
you're full of shit anyway because in kai when he's speaking just before he gulps you can clearly hear his voice nervously pitch upward
I'm convinced you are autistic and can't pick up on emotions at this point
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>>389328252
Why is Goku's voice so bad now? Him screaming is the worst
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>>389329474
sean schemmel thinks he's god's gift to gokus
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>>389329474
https://youtu.be/nVnEC4MilxY
are you deaf?
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>>389329451
>complaining about goku flanderization from a motherfucking superfag
Holy shit go to sleep kid
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>>389328256
Well, I forgave kai up to cell for its amazing soundtrack and, but it's terrible in the 2014 dub.
and about goku's voice this might give an idea of what I mean, in kai, his voice becomes unnecessarily deep and gritty but I couldn't find this scene on youtube for kai.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uV2XEHKDMYw
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>>389328958
>underwhelming dubbing of kai
I'm gonna ignore how wrong that is and argue instead how fucking shit Z itself is with all the filler and padding, which kai fixes immensely
making the show watchable makes it the better version by default
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>>389324330
that scene was actually pretty well shot.
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>>389324330
>gohan dodging cells kick and smacking him in the jaw
>cell recoils realistically and goes slack jawed, acting as though his jaw is broken
It's the little things that make these cutscenes so good
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>>389329451
>at the surface vegeta is a level headed punk prince but when shit hits the fan he begins to noticeably lose his composure
Sounds fine to me. It sounds like you don't know how to have fun. Plus, everyone in DBZ had stupid likes.

>SAD FOR YOUUUUU

>you missed my vital organs
>"nnngh, all of them!?!"

>all that crap about frieza treating aginyu like a good puppy

It's fine faggot, go take that dildo out of your ass.
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>>389329451
But he is pissed, but he's also worried because the clock is ticking. You fucking idiot. Watch both scenes again before making sny comments.
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>>389329785
>kais dub isn't fucking terrible
Are you trolling me or something?
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>>389329785
Literally the only objectively better part. You think just because muh experience they HAVE to sound better but sometimes characters sound worse as time goes on. They had more experience that showed by the time cell saga came around. A lot of the same vas did yu yu hakusho and people consider it to be the rare occasion that the dub is superior yet Z is fucking bad now lmao

Of course sean and sabat are gonna dismiss the dub, they are so butthurt over faulconer they want nothing to do with it anymore.
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>>389329758
are you saying the soundtrack is terrible in the buu saga, or sabat's samevoice?
as for goku that's more a change in overall direction if anything, I like the impact it gives the more serious scenes when he does it deeper, he still keeps it at that childlike pitch for everything else which fits just fine
I guess it's a matter of preference but the way he does it now really sounds like he's putting his all into it, whereas in his heyday they could lack impact and goku's rare anger never came across as intensely
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>>389320738

No because he doesnt sound like garbage in the spanish dub

When i ended up hearing him in english i was like 'why is this his voice'
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>>389329185
apparently the reason cell keeps his imperfect voice through out all transformation is cause in the japanese version cell only has 1 voice so they only added 1 voice track fro him in the game so in short blame japan
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>>389329785
>no driving episode
>missing bulk of goku vs frieza, the best fight in the franchise
>goku's voice
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1o5krVrVf8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_DfZkbRMRwc
not the voice itself but the fact that he just sounds like super saiyan 3 whenever he screams, at least goku's old voice got better over time and didn't have this
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>>389329637
Might be, I'm hearing a difference between the one at 9:17 and 9:47.
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>>389329952
everyone in the stupid dub had stupid lines, and it really takes me out of it when the show is supposed to take itself seriously
I'd rather have a faithful adaption and enjoy the show/story as is rather than having a cheesy dub altering things and with writing solely focused on one liners
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>>389328682
Why is Kid Buu consistently broken in every DB game he's in? He's practically top 5 in EVERY game. High Damage, Insane Combos, top tier base speed, great specials.

In fact name 1 game where kid buu sucks.
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>>389329451

Even the Kai dub does not perfectly portray character personalities, so complaining about inconsistencies is moot. When you watch Dragon Ball Z in English, you really have no room to whine.
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>>389330196
Then why do his supers have a different voice? They're still rendered in engine.

Also Super Saiyan 4 Goku gets different voice clips after the transformation even though the old Japanese lady certainly doesn't do a different voice and so do some of the fusions.

I could see it maybe being a technical thing in the first Budokai, but it's been in fucking every DBZ game since then and it feels more like a running meme at this point for devs. It's just audio clips that activate based on parameters in the character files.
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>>389330183
>are you saying the soundtrack is terrible in the buu saga, or sabat's samevoice?
both, the sub of kai had a superior soundtrack by a wide margin in the buu saga
I get what you mean about goku's voice, but
>he still keeps it at that childlike pitch for everything else
He overdoes it in base form, and skips straight to ss3 grunts in regular super saiyan I just wanted smug goku, but now it's all or nothing.
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>>389330356

Because he's motherfucking Kid Buu nigger. The final antagonist in DBZ.
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>>389330354
What the fuck are you talking about? One of my biggest complaints about DBZ since forever is that they always cut to stupid ass cheesy comedy during serious moments, and those lines he mentioned aren't even close to those terrible cutaways. Not to mention the fucking Ginyu Force which was actually a very formidable serious foe.
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>>389330227
>He likes superman goku
Explains a lot
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>>389330356
Because he's small and fast and in the Budokai series at least he's given really long juggle autocombos compared to others

In Budokai 3 he even gets default higher regenerating ki gauges and isn't victim to Yakon.
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>>389330354
But Kai's voice acting was fucking shit. No one mentioned filler until you did. Filler was the only thing kai did better than Z.
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>>389330227
>one filler episode means every other facet being horribly worse is justified
goku vs frieza is still ELEVEN episodes in kai, are you nuts? what the hell could it be missing?
making it so it's actually well paced and not a fucking chore to sit through even though it's so fucking long is a good thing
goku's screams now have way more power behind them, I don't know how the fuck you could like
>kuhmeyhuhmeyHAaa
in that scene especially
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>>389330494
It's a hell of a lot more tolerable than the perpetual SS3 Goku voice.
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>>389330262
okay that's a fair but misleading comparison, in that second scene he's specifically not going full power so it wasn't meant to be an all out power up yell-wise
https://youtu.be/X_FMibSdpIU
tell me that's weak and you are definitely deaf
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>>389330494
>>389330604
>not the voice itself but the fact that he just sounds like super saiyan 3 whenever he screams
learn to read
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>>389330623
>>389330795
>It is okay to change the characters and sound bad cause I like his scream sounding shittier
Let go of your nostalgia
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>>389330790
It's not weak I just don't like it
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>>389321321
DYNAMITE MONDAY
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>>389330356
He's pretty meh in Dokkan Battle. The best Buu is Buuhan and he was the best at the time of his release but has been surpassed by a bunch of cards since.
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>>389330790
That sounded fucking awful, especially around 2:10. It sounded like the guy was gwtgling on cum then he sounded like he was having a fucking seizure and frothing around 2:30 the original scene was better. That was weak shit, especially in comparison to the original.
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>>389320229
Pure Wakamoto
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>>389330948
Tell me this is genuinely good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3p9pYErcvro
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>>389330379
it is miles better than any other attempt in that regard, reducing huge inconsistences to minor nitpicks is a win enough for me to watch nothing else
>>389330441
but kai buu had the same soundtrack everywhere, unless you're talking about the different placements or openings but those are minor differences at best
I guess that's a fair point about goku, although it's still more consistent than waiting for him to learn how to act properly for half the show in the original so I'll take it smug goku is still a thing, watch the part in kai where he teleports away just before buu kills babadi
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>>389331030
>global cuck
http://dbz-dokkanbattle.wikia.com/wiki/Transcendent_Majin_Buu_(Kid)
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>>389330492
that's what I meant by judging the show as is, why would you want to add a whole other layer of cheese with the original dub on top of that?
kai eliminated a large fraction of those cutaways also so I'm not sure what point you're trying to make against it here
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>There are people who were introduced to DB through the anime/games instead of the original manga
>There are people whose first Piccolo was jr instead of King
>There are people who unironically like the dub
>There are people who think DB was better than DBZ because it had poop jokes and forget that the last third of DB was basically just DBZ anyway
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>>389331208
There is nothing wrong with that especially when compared to the sound of a high pitched 80 year old woman.
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>>389331208
It is, you haven't even tried to argue the rest of superman goku is good cause you know you can't. Even if his screams were worse 99% of what is coming out his mouth is improved

There is no point in anyone watching the original dub at this point
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>>389331209
No, even the op has a different theme
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aiVEVmWBUd4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y4vgJfOBPIM
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>>389331429
>99%
More like 5%. Superman Goku is far superior.
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>>389331130
DBZ Ressurection of C when?
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>>389331390
Buu saga and lots of Android/cell sagas make Z worse than DB
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>>389331079
>sounding like he's struggling in a scene where he's clearly struggling instead of yelling flat is worse
>the original where they had to splice multiple screams together at one point to keep it going was more powerful
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>>389319167
>i do best
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>>389331390
You started off so tryhard and then redeemed yourself at the end. Kind of.
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>>389331429
>its okay when kai does it
And It's not about sounding like he's struggling, it just doesn't fit.
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>>389331421
>There is nothing wrong with that
Exactly, it's not good, but not bad either.
You don't feel it as much if loud grunts are all he does which is especially present here with how all those words are sandwhiched.
>>389331429
>superman goku
What even is this, do you just mean the lines?
That's completely besides my point and z's voice got better over time, especially in the buu saga.
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>>389331542
Never, Frieza cells and Cell is time consuming to draw. ToP was perfect for cell yet they got tge evil fridge back
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hA3mgb7LXmM

It's overrrrr FRIEEEZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>389331630
Is that why all the designs for super are simple as fuck? Like Zemo or Cabba?

That legit makes me mad.
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>>389331429
Every time someone randomly asked on different boards which version they should watch because they want to see it for the first time, I play them Cell's death(first asking if they're okay with seeing one of the biggest moments in the series first) in original dub and Kai, and without hesitation they always pick original dub even though I tell them Z has horrible filler. One of them just asked for a list of filler episodes he could avoid.
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>>389331446
>unless you're talking about the different placements or openings
I covered that buddy, the soundtrack is the same for every version just placed differently sometimes in japan since they cut it down more
I like fight it out anyway
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>>389331630
Well

yeah

that's the point

It looks better because it's detailed and further impresses the reader. That's like saying you don't want Vegeta in the series because he's too awesome.
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Dragon ball should have ended forever before raditz showed up. "Z" is such a shitshow.
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How did the dialog change THIS hard?
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>>389331760
Probably plays a large part, yes. You can see this in a lot of new "art" in cartoons and anime these days.
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>>389331790
My bad, but I'm not joking, they scrapped the old material when kai got cancelled after cell. Then for buu, they got new songs. I've literally watched both, so just go check it out.
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>>389331630
>frieza and cell will never team up in official canon
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>>389327617
What are you talking about?
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>>389331839
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>>389331846
Makes sense because amerifats never saw Dragon Ball and really don't know Son Goku beyond the fact that he beats up the bad guys. Has Goku killed fucking ANYONE at this point in DBZ?
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>>389320065
I'm sad though after the budokai series his ultimate was changed to a solar/perfect kamehameha
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>>389331628
Meant for >>389331561
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>>389331960
>Frieza won't help Cell grind his way to Super Golden Perfect God form by blasting him to smithereens and allowing him to regenerate
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>>389331650
https://youtu.be/N86SQe_nPJo
@1:22
burst limit unironically had the best english version of that moment
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>>389331760
they churn out a new episode every damn week with no breaks. we're lucky we even get a somewhat passable animation now after the dogshit show it was before.
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>>389324509
He says "drop dead" he's telling his opponent to drop dead
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>>389331973
nope. vegeta had kill-steal'd everyone that goku defeated other than himself. even nappa.
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>>389332007
It would be Golden Super Saiyan God Super Saiyan Cell.

He's canonically got the greatest potential for power now because he has access to Saiyan God ki as well as Frieza species power.
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>>389331209

Minor to you maybe, but to others it's a world of difference. To others, having Goku speak in a completely different way, with no slang whatsoever, is huge. At the end of the day, you're watching what is to you others, a bastardization. You'd be surprised what purists would have to say about Kai's English dub.
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>>389331940
I know buu has new songs from the rest of kai, I thought you meant between language versions of buu specifically
https://youtu.be/dAZA2sjnF-0
https://youtu.be/itEkyhV0P_s
it's the same shit mang
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>>389331960
I imagine them more as room mates who only just manage to stand each other. I'd love it if we instead got filler of their mundane life in hell
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WELCOME TO
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>>389332103
It's like skipping A New Hope and watching The Empire Strikes Back first. Goku in DB killed so many people it's actually amazing they didn't call him out on being a heartless ayy sooner.
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>>389332103
>>389331973
In DBZ Goku kills Kid Buu and Yakon.

In DB though he murders the shit out of loads of fighters though.
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GET THIS
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GET THE FRUIT JUICE
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>tfw late to thread

IT'S OVEEEEEEEERRRR FRIEEEEZAAAAAA
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>>389331973
Has he touched anyone's crotch?
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AND1FORFREE
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>>389331846
>mfw he actually called himself son goku in the kai dub of this moment
it was so fucking cool
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>>389332212
>In DBZ Goku kills Kid Buu and Yakon.
yeah but op specifically asked about that point in time when goku went super saiyan
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>>389331973
Nope
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>>389332009
I can see what you mean. However, my heavy bias for budokai 1, even with its plagiarism ost, always wins out in my heart
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>>389332204
DB Goku is pretty different from DBZ Goku because ya know he was a clueless kid.

Stop pretending like you have to see it to enjoy DBZ. Yes I know the manga had it all together but Z really did mark a turning point in the series because that's when it turned into a Saiyan show.
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>>389332409
why does the skull robot count?
>>
WHOAAA-OH
EEEEYARGHHHHHH!!!!
READY SET GO!
SHARE YOUR ENERGY WITH ME..
UNNNFGH SPIRIT BOMB'S FADING....
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AAHHH

SPIRIT BOMB'S FADING
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>>389331628
how does it not fit that what he sounds like matches what he looks like/what he's doing? are the lights all on upstairs for you there bucko?
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>>389332434
I genuinely refuse to believe you understand anything about anything unless you've at least seen the Piccolo jr tournament.

Especially when Tenshinhan and the rest start to pop up after Nappa's arrival.
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IF I WON'T WHO WILL?
DRAGONFISTEXPLODE!
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>>389323845
>muh gohanfags
buu should have never happened
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>>389332309
>remember all the times Goku had to check and make sure of where their balls went
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>>389332434
It didn't though, Piccolo has the format of a Z arc. It was just the natural progression
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BIG MEANIE
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MRGGUH YOU WON'T BEAT ME
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>>389332507
I saw the whole thing fagola. When Goku grew up he was the same but I'm talking about Saiyans.
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>>389326010
Damn that nigga went off
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>>389319167
https://youtu.be/UcaIgsK8b5s
I want to go back.
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>>389323845
>>389331968
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>>389332163
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6CVsHNbXFVU
I can't find the dub version but I know for a fact it's different.
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>>389332657
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uii4o0XjNaw
I spent too much time around Mr. Popo, waiting for the dragon balls to show up in the shop. In between that and fighting in the tournament for that delicious zeni
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Opinions on Super? Just curious
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>>389332806
Worse than GT and bad for the same reasons GT was.
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>>389332793
Ignore this I re-read the post and realized I'm a retard
fuck I'm tired
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>>389332162
I know the proper cultural equivalent would be to give him a southern accent, but there's no way in hell you could make that work in english without it being a trainwreck
sean does a good enough job of capturing goku's childlike innocence, and I'm well familiar with the hickness and such of jap goku so I'm not much less of a purist than sub only fags
if niggas on kanzenshuu give the kai dub a thumbs up I think the type of person to shit on it for "purist" reasons is borderline fucking insane, or an asshole japan native
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SAUZA BLADE
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>>389332806
Constant disappointment with a highlight here and there but always back to disappointment.

>>389332847
Wrong. GT actually looked like Z artstyle and had much better character designs.
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>>389332147
Nu-Toei could use Cell turning Gold as an excuse to not draw his splotches. More plausible than you'd think?
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I'M GONNA BLOW YOU TO BITS
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>>389332657
https://youtu.be/0gYNRqksuzA
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GET SERIOUS

YOU'RE SUCH A FOOL
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>>389332991
Please no
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>>389332403
If you count assisted murder, there's Raditz. He also attacked Frieza with killing intent for what it's worth, even if Frieza barely survived the attack.
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>>389332991
Ideally they'd turn his shell gold with blue spots to symbolize both forms, but they wouldn't bring him back at all
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>HD Collection censors Raditz getting a hole blown through his abdomen
>and Vegeta having the same happen
>and most baffling of all, it censors Broly slamming someone into the ground y the face for some fucking reason
>doesn't have the soundtrack
>doesn't have 2

At least it came with the extra Goku, Trunks, and Piccolo costumes.
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>>389332735
it's still the same soundtrack, again just sometimes arranged differently cause in japan kai buu got cut down an additional 9 or so episodes
in fact the international version of kai is better ost wise, since in japan they cut out an entire insert song that plays when goku and kid buu start fighting plus cha la playing when goku flies away with uub
https://youtu.be/oK2SE7LKmS4
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>People think golden Cell is a good idea

Is that all DB is to you? Guys shifting colors and then punching each other?

What about the strategy? The terror of not knowing what you're up against?
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>>389326010
>limey elitist british faggot
its amazing how mad yuropoors get at a childrens cartoon
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>>389332806
recap arcs sucked. black arc was great. some of the filler is really good. current arc is a bit bland but I'm willing to forgive that since its giving us shitloads more characters and moves to use in the games
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>>389333239
There hasn't been strategy in DB series since DB itself.

The only times in DBZ where there's strategy is Goku/Cell, and Piccolo/17. It's powerlevels now, Toriyama became more interested in power levels.

Besides, Cell can't use strategy if his power is irrelevant to the main cast.
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>>389333358
Namek was strategy 24/7. Gohan/Krillin had a combined power level of like 3000 yet outwitted the villains for a week.
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>>389326010
Literal autism.
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>>389333184
desu, I got bored of kai around ss3 and quit it
I clearly remember the song that plays during that transformation being different as well as the fact that a lot of songs from 2014 kai have been reused for super and were absent from the dub.
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>>389321502
Videl and Chi-Chi will be in the game because waifus just wait
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>>389333358
>>389333549
The problem is that Toriyama no longer does a manga version, and even if he did, it would still be shit looking at dq as an example of how badly he aged.
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>>389333549
Namek was basically the ending to DB. It carried the same spirit up until the Android/Cell arc began.
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ROCKET PUNCH
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>>389333749
Android/Cell overall was pretty stupid, but it had certain highlights which made it worthwhile.
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>>389333549
Hiding in caves isn't strategy.
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>>389320065
dosent mean he CANT use it though.
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WHAT A SHAME..
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>>389333853
Sometimes they hid behind rocks. Sometimes they blinded people. And sometimes they just talked their way out of shit. They even killed a few guys if I recall.
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WELCOME TO SUPER VEGETAS, BIG BANG ATTACK!

WELCOME TO OBLIVION!
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>>389333631
https://youtu.be/9lRqSWGyN1s
the song is the same as the dub still
and I recognize plenty of kai buu tracks in super, even though I just watched the dub
I think you're tripping mang
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>>389333972
No they just ran away and got their asses kicked by villains until Vegeta or Piccolo saved them and then vegeta and Piccolo got fucked.
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HUUGH HNGGH, SPIRIT BOMB SPEEDING
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>>389327923
i love the what if story of devil man killing friza and his father with the beam.
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>>389334105
I swear to God, I even saw an article explaining how the buu saga got a unique ost to the old stuff they had planned and it was put back in for the international release.
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>>389334148
He says "Spirit Bomb's fading"
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>>389334162
Spike has the best move in the franchise, so naturally he had to be left behind
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>>389323362
Tenkaichi's roster was artificially inflated with clones, transformations being their own characters, literal whos, and non-canon shit like the movies and GT. Not to mention the gameplay was, is, and always will be worse than Budokai's.
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>>389334414
>non-canon shit like the movies and GT.
You realize GT WAS the canon back then, right?
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>>389334317
until you start giving me some concrete examples I'm going to assume you're a confused wanderer from the berenstein universe
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>>389334470
GT was never a manga, so no.
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>>389322212
>Using the shitty dub VAs
Eww, I'm glad we Brits got the superior voices in our game.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g72Ccg5j-hM
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>>389334414
>worse than budokai
>worse than budokai 2
>worse than teleport with more ki than the other guy to win
>worse than dragon rush
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>>389334616
>works that didn't originate from a manga don't exist
whoa..
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>>389334774
I didn't say it didn't exist. Of course it exist. I'm just saying it's non-canon, ie irrelevant to anyone that isn't a raging homo.
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>>389334908
Your reasoning for it not being canon is flawed and stupid. There are other mangas in the DBZ universe that aren't canon.
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>>389334908
>I'm just saying it's non-canon, ie irrelevant to anyone that isn't a raging homo.
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>>389334612
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=19&v=dFQPZ0Cc-pc
I don't know, maybe I was just confusing the comparison of 2014 and final chapters for the sub and dub osts of og dbz and got my memory mixed up.
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>>389334908
Wew
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>forgot infinite world existed
>go download a rom and play it
>its just budokai 3 except with all the dumb shit removed like dragon rush and with more GT characters
why does nobody talk about this game when it comes to DBZ?
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>>389335220
It removed Breakthrough capsules and beam clashes so it's dead to me
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>>389335220
A shame I don't see it get brought up more. It has one of my favorite tracks https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kNwbe__w-d0
Also I got so bored, I got Z rank on the training mission in the hyperbolic time chamber, because why not
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>>389335220
No beam clashes and Dragon Rush was good for cinematic replay value while being completely irrelevant in PvP, also not as good single player content and shitty stamina system.
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>>389323494
It really didn't help he did literally twice the damage on his attacks. His Warp Kamehameha also took out two full bars of health if he landed it

B2 kid Buu is such bullshit
>>
GT is shit, and if you like it you should at the very least strongly consider suicide.
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>>389335613
chill out pedro
>>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DJcuDgVYjgI

Post a better opening.
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>seven life bars
>infinitely regenerating ki
>infinite warp counters and dodging
>maximum defense and attack buffs
>longest autocombo strings in the game
>stupid range
>15 seconds to beat him

Is this actually the hardest boss in all fighting games?
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>>389335721
Pedro's hate Super and love GT, we've been over this
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>>389335721
No, idiot. You call anybody who likes GT or Super a Pedro.

You fucking spics can't even meme correctly.
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>>389335738
was about to reply with this before checking what you posted
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>>389335738
>shittiest series gets the best opening
what did they mean by this
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>>389335791
>Pedro's hate Super
>we've been over this
Exactly why I''m confused you would say that
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BURRTURR
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>>389335738
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xAOCnSKz-x8
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>>389335104
well something got fucked
why did you get bored of kai and stop watching anon? vegito is way fucking better and he's worth getting to
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>>389319167
>having to hold capsules to use certain moves, including the ability to throw
>all those transformations that drained all your energy quickly
>had to get multiple transformations in order to transform into later ones (got to go Kaio-ken x2->x5>x10>Super Saiyan), which meant you wouldn't be able to get a full roster of moves AND transformations unless you got their Breakthrough capsule
>kamehamehas being yellow
>had to do a full combo to use moves, including energy beams

Goodness that combat system was a mess, but it was still fun. Including the Legend of Mr. Satan mode. I remember at one point getting a disc with a strategy guide of Legacy of Goku II with Budokai 2 gameplay footage and being so fucking excited. Also enjoyed the shit out of Budokai 3.
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>>389335886
holy shit something worse than the gt english opening
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>>389334335
YOU READY FOR ME?
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>>389335865
>seperating dragonball into dragon ball
kek, the spic don't speak no english gud
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>>389335865

Spic here. Most spics hate super because it isn't """"""""serious"""""""" like Z or gt was, and they're right, besides zamasu it's been mostly joke arcs. They still watch it obviously, but it's not any different from everyone who watches super and hates it. Spics just are the biggest DB fanbase, so it's normal they're the ones that watch it the most, even if they criticize it the most. Hating something doesn't mean you don't watch it, see /tv/ and game of thrones.

Your pic makes no sense.

Also I like super
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>>389336040
Only euros and asians use dragonball, spics and burgers use dragon ball.
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Well well well...
look who STILL searches for GT shit
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THANKS FOR BETA TESTING FAGGOTS.

I did legit like this game though.
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>>389336031
DON'T GET COCKY
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>>389335738
https://youtu.be/zA01JL1ICjY
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>>389336040
>>389336147
https://trends.google.com/trends/explore?q=dragonball%20super,%2Fm%2F0134xypt
Yea okay faggots. How new are you?

>>389336163
I bet you think you uncovered a big gotcha there hombre
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>>389336163
A follow up to this
Top fucking kek
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>>389336163
the argument is not that pedros like gt its that supercucks pretend that spics dont like super
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>>389327021
>He got butthurt during his dumb tournament when Gohan BTFO him and tried blowing up the planet three times in retaliation to that.
This makes it sound so hilarious
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>>389335613
the amount of things wrong with this gif make my asshole clench
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>>389336260
>dragonball is the preferred term in Ireland
that makes sense why I use it then, my mistake
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>>389335354
>best op
>picks some random track
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XYSvtvRvrQs
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>>389322978
>Gohan's child voice actor sucks now. Why did they get rid of the old one?
His child actor sounds much better as Kid Goku. I miss her.
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>>389335261
beam clashes on B3 were very limited to a few specials while BT and RB were possible with almost all attacks
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>>389326747
>Yamamoto has also composed background music for Dragon Ball Kai, a revamped version of the anime series Dragon Ball Z. On March 9, 2011, Toei Animation publicly acknowledged that many of Yamamoto's musical works for the series infringed upon unidentified third-party copyrights. As a result, Toei removed Yamamoto and replaced his compositions with those from the original Dragon Ball Z series written by Shunsuke Kikuchi.[1][2] The plagiarism of these works have been known to fans since May 2010.[3] His compositions in the games were also replaced.

There are some vids on Youtube that makes comparisons
>>
Best DBZ game intro coming through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEs9mFbR60w
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>>389330356
He's the final boss of DBZ and the original manga. He didn't really have a proper weakness: He was small but could extend his limbs, he was quick and powerful, he was pretty much constantly on the move, and Goku, Vegeta, and Fat Buu fighting him couldn't tire him at all.

It doesn't help in Budokai 2 especially, there's several combos that even casual players can easily do with him. Honestly, having him as the final boss of the story mode and giving him full HP made him so fucking hard. What's worse is that he isn't technically a transformation so Yakkon strats won't work on him, and with his combos, will fill his energy within seconds.
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>>389336398
>yfw she does voice work for cn now
>>
Reminder that anybody who likes, talks about or needlessly forces GT into the thread is a non-white shitskin or spic.

Fuck off, Pedro/Juan. You're absolutely not wanted here.
No, SSJ4 was not "cool". It was fucking stupid.
No, Baby/Super17/Omega were not "cool" they were fucking stupid.

Fuck off back over the border already.
>>
lmao
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>>389323902
>Original had everyone worried that Goku would use up his remaining time on Earth
>WOW YOU'VE BEEN BUSY
Kai was a mistake. I'll never forgive them for fucking up 16's speech.
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>>389336643
tell them my amigo super is much better ajajajaja
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>>389336176
Thanks for beta testing.

I wonder if we'll get a console one piece fg since they've both had handheld versions by aksys. maybe we could even get a console anime crossover fg by them
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>>389336691
No, super is shit as well. Its canon though so discuss it all you like.
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>>389336715
forgot pic
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>>389336770
>Lightning
>SSJ1

ONE JOB
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>>389336176
>the art on that cover
what's fucked up is I don't think this was laziness, that is exactly how they wanted it to look

what the fuck happened to the iconic z art
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>>389322212
iiiiits OVEEERRR
FREEEEZAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
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>>389336686
>fucking up 16s speech
are you retarded or what
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>>389336398
Mrs. Stephenie Nadolny. She actually made Goku and Gohan sound distinct.
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I can only hope the next Xenoverse 3 has a god tier combat system and story mode, while carrying over all the fanservice it provides as well. If there's another one, that is.
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>>389336768
>Its canon though so discuss it all you like.
wew, pretending you don't like what you like, i'm glad you lot are at least starting to feel shame though
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>>389336891
Oh they'll make a Xenoverse 3 alright, Bamco likes money
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>>389336863
She is Kid Goku to me. Those flashbacks with Kid Goku's new VA just sound off compared to her Kid Goku. She captured his naivety and playfulness perfectly
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>>389336906
>I don't like Super
>YES YOU DO
Pedro, chill out.
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>>389336768
>Its canon though so discuss it all you like.
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>>389336891
How was 2?
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>>389336979
>>Its canon though so discuss it all you like.
You cannot be anymore transparent you no backbone havin faggot lmao
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>>389337034
>>389337106
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>>389336964
I'm about to blow your fucking mind, anon.

https://youtu.be/0HOiwTuhhKY
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>>389336643
Who ever likes super is a total mega faggot who loves slice of life "lets make a fighting anime about shitty jokes" garbage. The art also sucks balls.
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>>389337040
Pretty good, the battle system is better than 1
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>>389337236
Agreed. We must purge Super dicksuckers and GTfags.
Both are a plague, with GTfags only being slightly worse.
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>>389337132
It'll be okay my crying mestizo friend. When you get older you'll be embarrassed when you look back and used to like it.
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>>389337181
frieza's original VA actually sings too in big bands and such, I went to a panel of hers and she sung some military thing and is pretty damn good at it
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>>389335613
>>389336301
Still better than this abomination.
>tfw superfags consider this to be some of the best animation in the series
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>>389337291
Forgot to add but still feel free to discuss super anytime though since it's canon.
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>>389321529
OH, DID I KILL HIM?
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>>389337452
>canon
not an argument
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>>389337391
For the third and final time, Pablo. I don't enjoy Super or GT. I just find GTfags more irritating. At least Superfags can laugh at "tingle" and all the gay shit it does, while you faggots defend your beloved non-canon shit to the fucking death and ruin threads over it.

I will put this into spanish for you off google translate so you can understand:
Por tercera y última vez, Pablo. No disfruto Super o GT. Sólo encuentro GTfags más irritante. Por lo menos Superfags puede reírse de "tingle" y toda la mierda gay que hace, mientras que los fagots defienden su mierda no-canon amada a la mierda de la muerte y los hilos de la ruina sobre ella.

I have told you three times now, and even once in your native language. Please try and understand.
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>>389320738
>Miles better than the fucking hat and monocle sounding new one.
The one that's dying of cancer?
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>>389337435
Faggots like you ruin discussion about the games because of your series war bullshit.
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>>389337508
I'm glad to hear you say that!
Lets discuss my favourite work of DB, Super Saiyan 6!

best design in my opinion, and I loved the story arc behind it.
Lets discuss this shit all thread and not actual dragonball stuff, who cares about canon? LOL

http://dragonballfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Super_Saiyan_6_(Ultimate_Saiyan)
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>supermexicans ruin another DB thread
>and they'll try to blame it on GT for whatever reason
Every fucking time.
>>
>not even a shits & giggles budokai thread is safe from Super v GT console wars
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>>389336891
>I can only hope the next Xenoverse 3 has a god tier combat system
top kek, it'll be XV2 but more balanced and MAYBE an extra feature. It won't be anywhere near good, let alone god tier.
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>>389337513
>this much denial
Your autism in this thread was a direct response to the Superfag = Mexico post which you sperged out hard in, then you said "still discuss it though because it's canon :^)" and now you're literally speaking Spanish. Any cute Latina sisters family?
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>>389337643
GT and the movies are still officially part of the DB franchise you retarded monkey.
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>>389335852
Super doesn't have the best opening.
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>>389322212
>this same company handles Xenoverse and Heroes now
>all the real effort goes into Heroes and XV can't even be assed to match this level of quality
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>>389337643
there is a marked difference between actual legitimate entries in the franchise and some 10 year olds spewed garbage
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>>389337756
>>389337796
>ITS DIFFERENT
Its not.
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>>389336643
>No, SSJ4 was not "cool". It was fucking stupid.

Yes it was, it was literally the only good thing about GT. It's an awesome design that's a throwback to the great ape form and anyone who doesn't like it is a faggot.
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>>389337915
it is different and i believe it is incredibly disingenuous for you to take that position.
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>>389337915
not even trying anymore huh?
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>>389335959
STEP INTO THE GRAND TOUR
GRAND TOUR GRAND TOUR
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>>389336891
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>gt gets both the best opening in the anime series and the game series
what did they mean by that?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcGndttTxuk
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>>389338036
>>389338060
Well its certainly not canon, its never getting a continuation or a nod from anybody and its universally despised.

Please explain how you consider it both conversation worthy or a part of the franchise.
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>>389338361
it is an official part of the franchise, this is indisputable fact.
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>>389338361
>Well its certainly not canon, its never getting a continuation
not an argument

>a nod from anybody
black arc took alot of things from baby

>universally despised.
not really its just a meme
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>>389337643
Ya know, that form sort-of exists.
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>>389334414
Inflated or not the roster still had nearly everyone you could have every wanted in a DB game playable, and you can't really do that without clones unless you have an obscenely high budget, a huge dev team and many years to make it which they did not. Gameplay could obviously be better but as far as DB fanservice games go there are few better and it easily outdoes pretty much every console DB game from the entire gen following it.

Also anybody who gives a shit about canon for the games is a brain-dead retard. They're fucking video game adaptations of an anime adaptation of a manga that's decades old, and even beyond that they're fighting games, so when it comes to getting the DB story there are few rungs lower you can go to get it from than a game so why the fuck should the canon matter when deciding the roster and content?
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>>389338453
Alright, I'm willing to hear your reasoning. How is it an official part of the franchise?
It has no manga equivalent
Toriyama had fuck all to do with it
Its non-canon to anything other than itself

I'm more than happy to hear your reasons, but its got absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the franchise, and has no place in these threads.

>>389338539
What wonderful, well sourced arguments. Thanks for your valued input, Pedro.
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>DB fan wiki
fucking christ what have you unleashed

http://dragonballfanon.wikia.com/wiki/Dark_TRUNKS
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>>389338591
>gets btfo
>y-you have no argument p-pedro
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>>389338591
Wait, you are arguing against it being a part of the franchise? I know you play Dokkan boy. Who's king right now, who got the cover.
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>>389338804
I don't play Dokan, although I do enjoy Xenoverse 2 a little bit at the moment, even if its plagued with problems.

You've also dodged my question. How is it part of the franchise?
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>>389338591
>How is it an official part of the franchise?
Holy shit paco are legitimately retarded?
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>>389338839
Do you actually know what a franchise is??
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>>389338886
>are legitimately
are you*

If you're going to live here, please learn the language.

>>389338912
You've dodged my question, again.
How is it part of the franchise?
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>>389338972
>If you're going to live here, please learn the language.
You should learn what a franchise is before saying such things
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>>389338972
Do you know what a franchise is?
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>>389338839
>>389338591
How is it not part of the franchise? The canon and the franchise as a whole are two completely separate things. They aren't canon but shit from the movies, GT, DBOnline, Super, even joke side stuff like Neko Majin are recognized as part of the franchise by Toriyama, Toei and pretty much anyone officially involved with the DB franchise which is why we still see them acknowledged constantly in various forms of media still to this day. If they wanted to just erase or forget about them as a lot of the canon-autists seem to want they very easily could but they don't, because they are and will always be a part of the franchise as a whole.
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>>389339070
>>389339104
You've dodged the question 3 times now.
If its such a simple answer, or so very simple to understand, why not just tell me?
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>>389338591
>How is it an official part of the franchise?
Because the video games, spinoffs and other things continue to use its material, to the point of miniature retellings of its plotlines. They even continue to use characters and concepts from it in things like Heroes, and Xenoverse has rebranded GT as an alternate timeline.

Even if by all means GT isn't "canon" to the main Z-Super storyline, it's not suddenly unofficial. It's not like it was some fanwork that Toei made a show around.
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>>389338972
>How is it part of the franchise?
it was made with an official db license and greenlit by toriyama
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>>389339109
Finally, somebody not retarded. Thank you, lets discuss this.

>recognized as part of the franchise by Toriyama
GT had no involvement with Toriyama besides a scribble on a notepad for SSJ4 and a foreword on a dvd box of it, where even then he described it as a "side" thing and not directly in the series.

>Toei and pretty much anyone officially
Yeah let me stop you right there, Toei is not word of God in this scenario and does not dictate canon or what is official in the slightest.

>acknowledged constantly in various forms of media still to this day
So a couple of GT characters in video games means its canon?
Good news everyone, Super Saiyan 3 Bardock from Xenoverse 2 is canon now.

>If they wanted to just erase or forget about them as a lot of the canon-autists seem to want they very easily could
They've gone out of their way to ignore it and even wrote things into Super to de-legitimize it (kais unfusing, pilaf gang ages, etc)
They're ignoring it as hard as they physically can.

I appreciate your efforts, but they are utterly unconvincing.

>>389339183
>Because the video games, spinoffs and other things continue to use its material
Well shit, Super Saiyan 3 Bardock is canon now guys, he was in Xenoverse 2.

Absolutely shit tier argument, fuck off and let me and the other guy talk about this you simpleton.
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>literally giving english lessons to superfags now
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>>389339352
Toriyama literally designed half of the cast in GT.
Are you implying that the movies and games are also not part of the franchise?
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>>389339352
>Well shit, Super Saiyan 3 Bardock is canon now guys, he was in Xenoverse 2.
Okay so you DON'T understand what a franchise is, cool.
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>he still doesn't understand what franchise means
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>>389339436
>Toriyama literally designed half of the cast in GT.
I've not heard that. I only ever heard about the scribble that the animators picked up and ran with.

Do you have any source on him designing the cast? I'd like to give it a read.

And no, the movies are part of the franchise as they had Toriyama involved at some point (for better or worse)
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>>389339352
You're fucking retarded holy shit
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>durr its part of teh franchise
i just scribbled a picture of mickey mouse onto my floor
i am not the original creator, company or license holder, but its part of the franchise now
>pedro actually thinks this
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>>389339352
You are a fucking deaf idiot. I acknowledged that it wasn't canon numbnuts, that's not the discussion here. You're asking why it's part of the franchise which is an entirely separate argument. It's part of the franchise because it was created, is owned and is still used by the people who own Dragon Ball. It is not canon, but it is part of the franchise, GT and the like essentially sit in the same place as "What If?" comic books for Marve'/DC in that they are official materials created by the company rather than the original creators but they are still owned and contained under the umbrella that is those specific franchises. GT and the other shit didn't suddenly enter the same realm as DBAF when Super got greenlit, they are still owned and used by the same people who put out Super. Canon and Franchise are two different things, why is this so hard for you to understand?
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>its some pedro tries to argue whats canon in a series and argue the definition of franchise
>all because he doesnt fucking like GT
can we just remove mexicans from this fucking site holy shit
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>>389339554
>so BTFO he argued against himself in his own post
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>>389339494
from the gt perfect files
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>>389339595
>Canon and Franchise are two different things
I know. The point I am putting forward and that you're failing to refute is that they are neither.
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>>389339679
Riiiiight, scribbles of the characters. No foreword, no interview source. Nothing.

I want to believe you, I really do, but you're making this difficult.
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>>389339554
>i am not the original creator, company or license holder
What did he mean by this?
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>>389339352
>Well shit, Super Saiyan 3 Bardock is canon now guys, he was in Xenoverse 2.
Stop using some extreme fallacy such as this. The series not only has a fucking multiverse but countless timelines possible, where literally anything can happen. Jesus Christ, an entire timeline and its universe got destroyed and Trunks and Mai dumped off into an alternate timeline where god only knows what's happened in it. There's probably a timeline where Bardock being sent into the past and becoming Super Saiyan because of Frieza's Death Ball is "canon".

Toriyama doesn't even directly work on Super, he creates the general plot outline that the manga and the anime interpret radically differently as is. To discount GT because it has no manga, because it doesn't have direct Toriyama involvement, or so forth doesn't mean it should be completely and utterly disregarded as some sort of stupid fanfiction tier shit.

Don't be some retarded tonedeaf idiot that only accepts what he wants to accept. I don't know how many times over the years i've seen GT be disregarded. It was shit. We all think it's shit, and what potential it had was severely mishandled. But Super coming along and kicking it off of the sequel status doesn't suddenly mean it's no longer part of the franchise.

That's.. that's not even remotely how a franchise works. Toriyama may be the head of the series but he's not the one that actually owns it at this point.
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>>389339737
you can draw or make something, and have nothing to do with the franchise in question.
This does not then magically make it directly involved.
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>>389331807
god damn toriyama's art walks all over toyotaro
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>>389339692
Your "point" is completely nonsensical and asinine. You don't decide what is and isn't part of the franchise this isn't some debate that you can win it is simple facts. GT, the movies, etc. are officially licensed products created by the people who own DB. as such they are part of the franchise, that's all there is to it.
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>>389339765
>he creates the general plot outline that the manga
So, far more than any involvement on GT then?

>>389339804
If its so simple or fact based, why can't you refute it in the slightest? Your main argument has boiled down to "it is because I say so" which is a bit silly.
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>>389339851
My fucking god you're just a dense fanboy that's sticking his thumbs in his ears like a petulant child.
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