How would you fix 3D Sonic?

>>389308072
Make it like Mario 64 but faster.

Shadow the Hedgehog 2

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Made Shadow the Hedgehog 2.

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Remove all of these. You don't need them.
>but muh 3D equivalent of springs
WRONG! Springs are springs, they exist in 3D games too.

>make it first person
>more guns
>you kill white cops
>no platforming anymore but you still move really fast
>shadow can switch between boy and girl
>sonic is a girl
>loot boxes

Produce Shadow The Hedgehog 2

Serious answer: Remove the boost
Learn how to design levels

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Cancel it. Nobody aught to give a shit anymore. Too many resources are devoted to making the perfect sonic game that nobody can agree on. Maybe it just so happens that the Sonic formula just doesn't make for good games. You alternate between high speed auto-pilot sections and clumsy close quarters sections.

Official porn game.

>>389308072
Make a physics game.
Add Sonic.
Done.

>>389308072
Literally just make Sonic Unleashed 2. I loved all of that game.

>>389308072
Make it 2d

>>389308072
Serious answers?
- Forget convoluted stories. Nobody cares about princesses, hot dog vendors, ancient evils, whatever. There's Eggman and his underlings, go get 'em.
- Drop collectables like Red Rings and Sun/Moon Medals, ESPECIALLY using them as a block to the next area.
- Focus on the platforming, not the combat.

>>389308072
Do it like adventure 2 did

>>389308072
Make it a VR parkour game, like Mirror's Edge but with rings, robots, loops, classic sonic level art style, multiple characters, etc.

Do you think Sonic Team is working on a VR game since Sonic Forces is nearing completion?

>>389308072
Just let me play as fucking Sonic. I'm not looking for excellence, I just want to go fast with the occasional jumps and homing attacks to keep things interesting. Just take the Sonic daytime levels from Unleashed and make enough of them to fill out a full game and I'll be happy.

Asking /v/ how to fix sonic is like asking a bunch of fat autistic virgins how to get a girl. Wait, they ARE fat autistic virgins!
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>>389308161
All awful, awful suggestions. Please consider suicide.

>>389312251
You make me sad

>>389308868
>post a background from a great underappreciated game
>along with an extremely naive and defeatist post
How conflicting.

>>389312251
You first

>>389311321
Red rings are really fun though.

>>389312341
Good
>>389312647
No. Now kill urself buddy

>>389312702
Ladies first

>>389312251
>the only good suggestions are shadow 2, unleashed 2, and adventure 2: 2
hmmmm

how do I get as much pussy as >>389312251 ?

>>389312780
If you want as much pussy as him, you'll start getting negative number amount of pussy.

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>>389312890
Smooth

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>>389308072
Make a proper fucking sequel to Riders or The Secret Rings. Sonic games should be about moving fast and traversing areas that supplement speed and reward reaction. Platforming Sonic games are shit. The only good platforming Sonic games are Sonic Advance 2&3 because you didn't automatically fucking die for going right too fast and you could play characters better built for side-scrolling because Sonic himself is a shit character for side scrolling games.

Shadow the Hedgehog 2 with Kaneko's monster designs and RPG elements.

Rather than have Sonic boost and go through linear level design, give him an acceleration button like in a racing game. Have Sonic work like a car almost, where the longer you hold down the acceleration the faster he goes. When Sonic isn't in need of going fast, you can control him like a normal 3D platformer character. Keep things like drifting, homing attacking, etc. As for level design, have open field areas, a hub world, normal 3D platformer levels and maybe some racing track levels or time trial levels in the mix.

>>389308072
If its early 2000s Sonic, use Heroes as a base, with Adventure 2 controls/movement, and 06 level design.

If its modern Sonic, use Sonic Unleashed as the model template. Classic fagboys get mad when you say Sonic Unleashed day is the best the series has ever been.

>>389308072
Step 1: Make a 3D implementation of the classic physics engine and game mechanics.
Step 2: No more scripted spectacle events or homing attack.
Step 3: Keep boost, but make it burn 20 rings per use and can't be held down, and make it so sonic gets hurt from enemies even while boosting, however allow the speed gained to be permanent for as long as players avoid obstacles. Bad players will avoid using it so they can get one ups, while players that master the game can use it more liberally without it being broken. This design will have to be refined, but basically, if players aren't using it, its too weak; if players use it instead of spin dash all the time, its overpowered. I want players using it like bombs in Touhou instead of being what the game is designed around.
Step 4: Drop all alternate gameplay styles. No werehog, no classic sonic, no 2D sections.Other playable characters are fine if they play similarly like in the genesis or advance games.
Step 5: Design levels that twist and turn back through itself, but with different tracks layered on top of each other. Twinkle Park is a good example of what I am talking about, with its different paths with many interesting ways to swap between them, in an organic way using the mechanics, instead of the canned paths from the boost games. Have pacing between horizontal speedy bits and more vertical action/platforming bits like the classic games. Its fine for some stages to be more linear than others in order to differentiate them better, but the typical stage should let you clip corners, skip sections, and path switch much more than most modern sonic games do.
Step 6: Create aesthetics and narrative that brings back the series original theme of nature vs machines which has gotten lost over the years.
Step 7: Clone Michael Jackson and have a Jun Senoe/Michael Jackson/Tee Lopes/Tomoya Ohtani collab soundtrack.

>>389315013
The werehog actually has a very solid basis. Its easily more fun than shooting, treasure hunting, sword swinging, colors mini levels, and classic sonic generations. Its raw action mixed with full 3D platforming mixed with serene music and atmosphere. Dont hate it cause its not muh sanic

>>389315315
Weresanic is shit largely because of the obnoxious generic battle music.

>>389316462
From a design point i agree that it should have been toggleable, or even in one of the updates the game got. But (at least on 360), that is very easy to get around with just a usb with the games music. Plug it in and play and its good to go,

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The only correct answer

Make it open world.

>>389308325
this

>>389308072
There's nothing wrong with 3d Sonic.

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>>389318002
Someone actually gets it

>>389318002
Why the fuck have they not made a standalone online Chao Garden?

>>389308072
Bring back Sonic Heroes style team gameplay, but make it so it doesn't control like the characters are running on a slippery floor.

>>389319062
I hope sonic heroes plays on the xbox one with xbox BC soon. I want to replay it so bad, i did the first 2 levels and it was just as fun as i remember, i want to do it again...

>>389319374
Is that just for Xbox onex?

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>>389308072
Improve upon SA2-style Sonic and Shadow stages.

Is there even a way to fix sonic at this point?

As soon as they hooked into the "gotta go fast" race track levels of sonic adventure, it was all over for sonic 3d. That sort of game play is just too shallow and limited to be interesting or be able to evolve new gameplay elements like mario has been able to and you can't retcon it all and go for a proper 3d platformer, since sonic is now about going fast and nothing else.

Its a dead end that needs to be allowed to die.

>>389311470
You are literally retarded if you think Adventure 1 or 2 can really hold up to today

>>389320330
>Rolling around like the speed of sound

>>389320413
>got places to go

>>389320413
Mech shooting as tails and shitty version of knuckles from SA1

>>389320549
>so i'll follow a rainbow
>can't stick around so i have to move on
>there's something ahead and i'm gonna find out what

>>389308072
Make it like SA2, except get rid of the shooters and make Tails and Eggman like some flying game.
But not like air planes, like give Eggman a jet pack and let Tails use his tails.
And bring back chaos.

I feel like they almost got the formula right, but they fucked it up right after SA2

>>389308072
Bring back chao garden.
Make an even more edgy shadow game as a joke.
Make a remake of sonic adventure 1 or 2.
All easy ways to make your game more popular.

>>389320695
>follow me
>set me free
>trust me and we will escape from this city

>>389320943
>i'll make it through and i'll bring youuuu follow me

>>389320756
By chaos, I mean chao garden

>>389321219
fuck you, I want Chaos back

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>>389320695
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>>389321042
embarassing...

>>389319629
Nah, xbox one, xbox one s, xbox one x, they are all the same family. 360 and xbox BC works across all of them. If you have old 360 and xbox games lying around, a one s is pretty cheap at this point. Right now they are giving away hydro thunder hurricane for free, fantastic old school game

>>389308072
Make the games with speed in mind, get rid of the dumb combat sequences and just let the player speed through interesting and good looking environments. Boss levels should also be hectic and fast as well, where the boss fight is the stage itself

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>>389319754
>Infinite is based on Old Shadow design

>>389308072
Delete it.

>>389308072
super mario maker but with sonic levels
you can choose any character or make your own
levels can be 2d/3d ala sonic generations
multiplayer coop/race
online that isnt half as retarded as nintendo's
leaderboards/scoring system

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>>389321397
Okay that's pretty cool

>>389308072
Slow it down, have larger 3D worlds I suppose that are meant to be explored.

Not really sure.

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>all these fellow shadowfags

>>389322004
Good yooka-laylee with speed based and homing attack platforming?

>>389321913
Yeah i just got one when they announced xbox bc. Only costed me $200, got battlefield, forza horizon 3, rare replay, and recore with it. Plus a bunch of 360 and soon xbox games. Its worth it just for the convenience imo

>>389321912
>super mario maker but with sonic levels

"Maker" games are bad.
Mario Maker has proven this. People can't make good levels. Pretty much all of the levels you encounter in Mario Maker are badly designed, just gimmick levels, troll levels, and "LOL SO DIFFICULT!" levels. They completely lose touch with what is actually FUN about levels in Mario games.

It's why Miyamoto gets paid to be an ideas guy and you don't.

>>389322357
Yeah. The level design would have to facilitate speed runs really well though.

>>389322502
Nah, PlaySEGA Sonic Level Creator was a fun game.

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make it sonic adventure 2 sonic/ shadow control but fix it so that it doesn't tie every other action than jump to the B button

branch out the path of each level to at least an efficient route and a route that's more explorative, that intersect with each other pretty frequently and can hide multiple objectives on

make characters other than sonic/shadow capable of beating these levels, there's nothing wrong with them, but introducing them so that they suck to control is what kills it

make bosses at least on par with the egg dragoon from the end of adventure 1

chao garden for longer dedication because there's only so much you can get out of a sonic game

I think that this would at least be a good step in the right direction

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3D Sonic game
Developed by Platinum Games

>>389308072
Would unironically like a Shadow the Hedgehog 2.

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>>389308072

a game for Omega but it plays like vanquish and he has a double-jump

>>389322885
I would to, but I'd like them to ditch the branching story system. Just give me one long game where Shadow makes canon choices on his own.

>>389308072
Blue arms.

>>389322502
Nothing wrong with trials and littlebigplanet to my eyes. seems you're only complaining cause you can't find any good levels to play, which, i'll admit, is half nintendo's fault

besides, sonic has the best fans. even if a fraction of them are degenerate furries, they're loyal as fuck, i'll give them that. if they weren't, sonic would be dead right now. i bet they'd make some good sonic levels if they could. i feel like people only play mario cause it's mario.

I can't bother to read the comments in these threads because I get too fucking irritated.

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>A total reboot/remake like Crash Bandicoot
>Sonic looks like pic related
>Gameplay is a mix of Adventure 2 Sonic stages and Utopia, with a dash of 2D. No boosting. Homing attack stays. None of that shit where you have to press a button to duck under something.
>No more voice acting
>No more humans besides Robotnik
>Sonic doesn't live on or anywhere near Earth
>Robotnik IS from regular Earth. His backstory shows he's an egomaniacal genius inventor but is mocked by his colleagues for his insane creations and dubbed "Eggman" for his portly shape. His inventions bring him into another dimension (Sonics world) where he enslaves Sonic, Sonics friends, and turns the tiny animals into killer robots
>The stages are courses built by Eggman, to see Sonic run through them like a rat in a maze for his enjoyment. He erects cities and power plants for his robot denizens and changes the world in his image.
>First game is about Sonic breaking out and bringing freedom to his homeworld and to his friends
>Games after that can introuduce Sonics friends for gameplay and reboot the classics like Mania
>Delete the cringey twitter
>Cancel Sonic Boom and the Comics
>Begin a crusade to destroy all deviantart representations of the character

This is the only way. Sonic puritanism is the path to enlightenment.

>>389323208
Bandage wraps.

>>389323290
>Delete the cringey twitter
>Cancel Sonic Boom and the Comics

you had me until this part

>>389321518
So Sonic Unleashed 2?

Like this:
-Level design is split into 3 paths, left path middle path and right path. The left and right paths alternate between high and low. Levels are designed to encourage spindashes, a.k.a. alot of wallramps, and steep drops. The steep drops will have a top down perspective as it follows the spindash.
-Physics(similar to Adventure 1 but there is an ability to roll in the air to keep momentum)
-Hubworlds(like unleashed but with more quests, that require hunting specific robots or finding flickies/chao)
-Playable characters:
Sonic,Tails,Knuckles
-Unlockable characters(optional): Amy, Tikal, Shadow, Rouge, Espio, Charmy, Vector, Metal Sonic, Blaze, Silver

>>389323418
>Liking either of those things

I have this crazy idea

How about you buy Boring Odyssey like the good cuck that you and forget that Sonic exists?

The series will be better off without the manchildren who just hate everything.

>>389323290
>>A total reboot/remake like Crash Bandicoot
Not necessary. Sure, "reboot" it but don't cancel everything else going on. Build and fund a studio that can make competent 3D Sonic games, and let Sonic Team and Mania Team keep doing what they do, and don't meddle with either. Support them at least they being profitable.
>>Sonic looks like pic related
It's the best drawing of Sonic's design that there is, so yes.
>>Gameplay is a mix of Adventure 2 Sonic stages and Utopia, with a dash of 2D. No boosting. Homing attack stays. None of that shit where you have to press a button to duck under something.
More Utopia than Adventure 2, but definitely pull from both, and rework the parkour system from Lost World into something more simple and fluid, to get the most out of complex 3D level design.
>No more voice acting
Yes.
>No more humans besides Robotnik
Not necessary either. Just style them in a way an oldtimey cartoon would stylize them, with the same 80's anime flare Sonic had. Mostly focus on nature being ruined by Eggman's greed, and the wildlife he's effecting. But there doesn't need to be a policy to exclude humans from cutscenes or settings or whatever
>>Robotnik IS from regular Earth. His backstory shows he's an egomaniacal genius inventor but is mocked by his colleagues for his insane creations and dubbed "Eggman" for his portly shape. His inventions bring him into another dimension (Sonics world) where he enslaves Sonic, Sonics friends, and turns the tiny animals into killer robots
I liked the backstory idea of "Eggman" being a brand, a beloved icon, people enjoy the jolly fat man's cute inventions and wonderful places his industries are behind, and that makes him very rich. He uses these funds to go to more dangerous inventions and work toward insidious goals of making a "utopia" for humans by wiping out all nature.
Headcanon aside, Eggman doesn't really need a backstory to look into, what's important are his actions and how they hurt the Earth.

Honestly, have the basic movement of the Adventure games with all the mechanics and gimmicks of the boost games, sans 2D Classic Sonic stuff. Levels should be designed more like a racing game given the speed of it all. Levels should be more open ended in that they shouldn't have largely one route to complete, and cinematic stuff like the shark or the truck should be limited to quick stage transitions and nothing else.

>>389323290
>>The stages are courses built by Eggman, to see Sonic run through them like a rat in a maze for his enjoyment. He erects cities and power plants for his robot denizens and changes the world in his image.
I always assumed he made them to be used by humans, but it's best to leave the reason WHY Eggman is making these places ambigious. But not all locations are Eggman constructs, some are natural environments or beautiful ancient ruins that Eggman is in the process of destorying.
>>First game is about Sonic breaking out and bringing freedom to his homeworld and to his friends
Of course, Sonic's original animal friends are very important characters. However I don't think there's any reason to undo what has happened in Sonic 1 - & Knuckles.
>>Games after that can introuduce Sonics friends for gameplay and reboot the classics like Mania
The first game can do that. Do what the classics and Mania do, making Tails and Knuckles optional characters with minor alterations to the game's events to accommodate them, and alter level design and bosses for both of them. Getting classic style Tails and Knuckles to work in 3D would be a great effort, and is worth including in the game.
>>Delete the cringey twitter
>>Cancel Sonic Boom and the Comics
>>Begin a crusade to destroy all deviantart representations of the character
No need. That's doing more harm than good also.

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>>389323290
This entire post reminds me of that YT video where the guy postulates his ideas of redesigning Sonic as the epitome of shitty watered down modern "safe" aesthetics. That's the Sonic I imagine inhabiting this world.

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>>389312251

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>>389312251
>absolute "good taste" authority
>baiting this hard

>>389325019
You mean this?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nn6EzmUoMsU

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>>389325309
Fuck no, a Sonic game with the tone of that would be ideal. I meant this.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I6ak3ebBep0

>>389325735
I just wanted to post that Sonic video.
His post reminds more more of this though but with a classicfag coat of paint.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1XOpPoh0K8

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>>389312251
I hate these fucking retards that replies to every answer in a thread.

Shadow 2, only make it ironic because thats apparently how people eat this shit up.

People shit on Shadow the Hedgehog and Sonic 2006 without really understanding the problems with those games.

Shadow is the best rendition of the Adventure 2 physics, period. What hurts the game (other than the writing and presentation, which is actually a lot goofier and Sonic standard outside of the bits everyone memes to death) is the level design, which varies wildly from serviceable to disgusting. This is because they tried to cram 2-3 objectives into each mission.

Sonic 2006 is also conceptually a very god game, but was rushed to huge degrees to meet its Christmas 06 deadline - while the game only reached tech demo levels in MAY 2006. Also, several teams split off from Sonic 2006 to work on spinoffs because SEGA's pressure was overbearing.

The only truly bad, unsalvageable Sonic game is Boom.

>>389329974
Desu even with its flaws i really liked sonic 06. I didnt have fast, reliable internet at the time so it was just me, the 360, and sonic 06. I expected it to meet criticism when looking it up online but i was baffled when i saw claims like the worst game ever made or broken at the core etc.

>>389329974
>Shadow is the best rendition of the Adventure 2 physics
Bull. Shit. It's Heroes (which was gimped SA2 gameplay) but worse. And no, I played the Gamecube versions, it's shit. But the rest of your post is correct.

Shadow is shit because it had no reason to exist. A: They spent more time on that game instead of 06 at the time (which was retarded) and B: Because they should have left that fucker dead in SA2 or not bringing up any "muh amnesia/ backstory" that should have just been handled in SA2 in the first place (which was clearly not planned as Shadow was meant to stay dead but fans got triggered.)

06 was going to be shit solely because it had the flaws of Dark Era Sonic; TOO serious. It's a fucking game with animals, you can't make cartoons serious, it's retarded. Look at Kingdom Hearts for fuck sake. The story wasn't going to make the game fun, the story was the ONLY thing they focused on, rather than making a video game first.

>>389308072
Now, to answer OP, just make S3K in 3D. Proper physics, proper character gameplays (Sonic core gameplay, skins + unique ability = other characters, etc). Hell Mania 3D now, basically. Story should be gameplay integrated, not centered around like 3D Sonic games did.