Is he right /v/?

>>389271149
for millennials? yeah, i can see how its a golden age for FPS games.

for people that grew up with games like doom, duke, quake and unreal championships?
its the worst time for FPSs

you know this is true

>>389271149
>we live in the age of online-only, multiplayer-only shooters that exist primarily as vehicles for micro-transactions
Kill me

Absolutely incorrect.

>>389271149
>what is 1999

>>389271390

Fucking this. Embarassing how youngfags think it's some kind of fucking golden age when the "playing a game" concept isn't even the focus anymore. It's all filled with gay gimmick shit to jew literal retards who have no problems to shell out money for fucking anything.

>multiplayer focus games are considered the golden age of gaming
if this continues I'll turn Hatred into a real thing

>>389271771
What's your name?

>>389271149
If anything it's been the worst years for FPS, market is just oversaturated with games that don't play or offer anything new.

>>389271350
>doom, duke
overrated trash.

>>389271818
what?

>>389271350
It's not the worst time. The worst time was when third person cover shooters displaced fps games. We're only now starting to fully recover.

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>>389271149
>Evan Lahti

>>389271969
When was that?

For MP, it's a pretty good time. There's something for almost every subgenre. For SP, you can always play the older stuff.

>pubg
>fps

>>389271149
>overwatch
It's a moba tho.... also TF2 is still really popular they should switch the two around

>>389271149
t. microtransaction dev

>>389271720
I keep screaming this at all of my friends, but the response is always
>But they don't affect gameplay, so they're fine!
No, they're not fucking fine, it doesn't matter if they affect gameplay or not, the business model is the same regardless. They can't seem to look beyond the scope of the individual game they're playing and see that the business model itself is harmful and that by supporting those games they're perpetuating it and telling publishers that they should transition completely to this micro-pay model.

>>389272082
It really isn't. It has more in common with TF2 than any moba.

>>389271149
are we in 1998 to 2002?

>>389271149
Well they are much more better than 2012 that's for sure. Then again I stopped playing competitive FPSes seriously after TF2 so I don't care too much.

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Halo 3 and modern warfare will never be realised uh the same year again

>>389271149
>An FPS
>AN first person shooter
Vidya journalism

>>389271390
This actually doesn't bother me too much. When I'm playing overwatch for example, I just ignore the lootboxes. Since they can fund the game based on microtransactions, it means they no longer have to charge for DLC which was common place thanks to the success of CoD, with map packs and other DLC splitting the player base and providing pay to win BS. Lower cost for me, higher profits for the companies and more incentive for them to keep updating the game. What's the problem here?

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>>389271350
>for people that grew up with games like doom, duke, quake and unreal championships?
AKA millennials

>>389272082
Stop this MOBA meme, it's nowhere close, comparisons were just a shitty advertisement thingy.

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>>389271912

>>389272252
>uh eff pee ess
Burgers everyone

>>389271149
PUBG isn't even a first person shooter.

>>389271149

>No true Unreal Tournament games coming out

No

>>389272082

>Its a moba because heroes have an ultimate ability

If they were called Hyper-combo's or finishers Overwatch would be called an FPS/Fightan hybrid instead

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>>389271912

>>389271149
no 95-99 were the golden years of fps

>>389271263
fpbp

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>>389271350
Just wait.

>>389271149
>shit with waifus
>buggy mess
>literal shit
>downgrade from Quake
>shiny shit

No. Fuck off.
As wrong as they come.

>>389272082
>multiplayer online battle arena
a lot of FPSs can fit into that retarded acronym

>>389271969
this wasn't a PC issue though
it was ALLLLLLLLL 360 man

>>389272337
But that's my point, it doesn't matter if you can ignore the lootboxes.

They're still there, other people still buy them, to the point where a game selling lootboxes makes something like, say, ten times as much as one that doesn't. The amount of money they make is overwhelmingly incentivizing publishers to structure games around selling them, regardless of whether or not a "normal" player can play the game and ignore them. They want that 1% of players who will obsessively dump hundreds, if not thousands, into the game through the micro-purchases.

The business model as a whole is harmful, regardless of whether or not the micro-purchases affect gameplay or if they can be ignored. That's not the point I'm making, the way publishers make money with games is changing. The industry is shifting away from the "traditional" retail model to a model that relies primarily on micro-purchases. It doesn't matter if the lootboxes or whatever aren't mandatory, the games are still going to be designed and structure at a fundamental level to sell them. Why include things like offline multiplayer, a campaign, or anything but the game modes that push the micro-purchases?

>>389271149
Yes. But he forgot the word "multiplayer" in there.

We've gotten some good single-player titles with the revival of Doom, Wolfenstein and Prey (kinda). But for the most part it's a golden age of multiplayer titles.

>>389271818
not important.
>>389271957
lurk more, newfag.

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>not even one mention of siege

>>389272840
What game?

>>389272560
it should be, fucking 3rd person ruins the game, you can see around walls and shit, might as well fucking hack

how can you make a game like that NOT an FPS?

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>all those games
>only one that takes skill is CS

>>389272956
Its a "golden age" for publishers because micro-purchases are making assloads of money.

>>389273075
>CS
>Skill
Awful bait anon you should be ashamed.

>>389273119
Probably. I wouldn't know, i don't buy them.

>>389273034
Not him but I think it's the Bombshell BUILD engine demake

>>389271350
>Millennials
Why do people use this word so much as if it means anything?

You're literally just describing anyone from their early 20s to late 30s.

>>389271149
Not really. I think there's a big difference between a shooter and a competitive shooter that tries to dip into the MOBA pool

>>389273075
>Skill
The only newish FPS that really takes atleast some skill is Siege

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>>389273075
what did he mean by this?

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>>389271149
its ok

>Every FPS is the same but with very slight variations and mostly online multiplayer only

I miss Time Splitter 2

>>389273034
Ion Maiden from Voidpoint, a team of veterans modders and the Eduke32 devs

>>389273258
gen x and older use it as a term for stupid kids
gen z use it as a term for stupid old people
gen y use it as an insult because they're retarded

>>389272252
Do you say "I got a F on my report on my card?" No, you say "an F" because F is pronounced with a soft e in front.

The distinction between a and an is for spoken convention, not written convention, and if writing "FPS", "an" is correct.

inb4 you Google search some horribly incorrect article about this

>>389273012
It's mentioned in the article, dumb Echo poster
>One of the biggest game publishers in the world made a multiplayer-only, PC-first, tactical FPS and has supported it well for two years. Rainbow Six Siege has 2.3M daily players on all platforms.

>>389271350
Do you even Turok 2 Seeds of Evil? ALL OF YOU ARE FAGGOTS!!!!!!!

>>389273398
BUT U JUST DUN NAO HOW 2 PLAY DA GAEM RIGHT XD

>You will never play Timesplitters with the boys again

>>389272052
~2006-2012

>>389271149
All those games are shit and PUBG isn't even an FPS, it'a a TPS.

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>>389273523
So its just a thing to make people feel better about themselves?

>>389273736
pretty sure it's a PMS

>>389273258
Millennial is just another term for generation Y, so it does mean something. If you were born between ~1980 and 1994/2000 (depending on who you ask) You're a millennial.

>>389273398
Spray patterns aren't random you dummy.

>>389272939
Right so in the context of the thread I was talking about multiplayer fps games. For a pure MP FPS, I'm fine with lootboxes and the business model. From the standpoint of the industry as a whole, I completely agree with you. I see this as the primary reason for the decline of the singleplayer RPG as a AAA game genre. It's really sad. Some of the greatest past genres will only be made in the future by underfunded indie teams.

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>>389273736
Does the T stand for Trash?

>>389273954
see
>>389273962
It's just another moniker for generation Y

I've been playing Ecsape from Tarkov a lot lately and it's the best game (not limited to just FPS) I've played in years. I ask myself how can a game like Escape From Tarkov make shockwaves in the gaming community when it's made by a small developer team in Russia that was involved with STALKER? It has ground breaking graphics, best weapon handling and modification, exceptional game design and revolutionary inventory.

So yeah I agree with the OP because of Escape from Tarkov being so good. Make sure to check it out anons.

>>389271350

>millennials

Are you like 40 years old or something?

Pretty sure you are millennial too.

>>389274141
he could've been born in the 90s

>>389273398
ummm not my problem you didn't get good sweetie

>>389274254
Which would make him a millennial

But in 2017 Turok 2 - Seeds of Evil was released.

Well, the remaster.

And it showed that a 20 year old gameplay could still btfo all modern bullshit.

>>389274070
I assume you're talking about MP? Does it have a good SP? How hard is it to get into the beta?

>>389271149
>casual shit fps with microtransactions and shit community
>early access streamer dick sucking garbage with microtransactions and garbage community
>decent game, shit community and crates shit
>havent played
>retarded annoying screen shakes: the game
fuck no

>>389274035
>says that while posting a trash girl from a trash game

>>389271149
>Overwatch
More like FPMOBA
>PUBG
TPS
>CS:GO
So the same game we had 18 years ago just with updated graphics and bazillion skins?
>Quake Champions
Not fully released
>Killing Floor 2
Just plain average.

Wow, golden age....

>>389272182
Exactly. I hate people who brush shit off so easily. It's irresponsible and the reason why gaming keeps getting worse and worse. You give an inch and they'll take a mile.

>>389273987
>For a pure MP FPS, I'm fine with lootboxes and the business model
I'll have to vehemently disagree here too, they're never okay, they're always bad. I don't buy the line that they're funding further game development, they make literal billions and the games that peddle them are still bare and have a fraction of what you'd get in something an older Halo game. The money just goes to the higher-ups, the developers don't get paid more, the games don't get swaths of new content.

Fuck, look at Overwatch. A couple characters and maps, sure, but the focus on their content updates has primarily been on skins and the stupid events that sell them. Its basically gambling with store credit, they dangle "EXCLUSIVE OMG XD" skins in front of every player, and that tiny percentage gets hooked and blows tons of money trying to get them. Look at Blizzard's other two big games right now, they both primarily focus on selling micropurchases too. Its cancer, and its spreading with no hope in sight.

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>>389274345
Dinosaur Hunter is better than Turok 2

>>389272998
>hurr durr newfag
Only faggot virgins complain about them. Nobody has the time to browse on 4chan for more than 3+ years. Get a life or something.

I can respect that CS just isn't for me, but OW and KF2 are several years old while Quake isn't out yet and PUBG is garbage streamer bait. So even if we were in one, that time has come and gone.

FPS golden age was counter strike

>>389271149
Not even close.

>>389271149
>pubg
>fps
Why would someone invalidate their own arguement before they start? It's as much an FPS as fallout

>>389273398
this is why I dont play cshit go

>>389274676
Good point about the overwatch skin events overshadowing actual core game content. They did add deathmatch recently though, so that was pretty cool. I still think that this is preferable to MP DLC packs, but obviously neither would be ideal. As for people blowing tons of money, I guess you could say companies are being morally irresponsible by exploiting unstable people. I can't get too worked up about it though because it doesn't affect me at all.

>>389271149
>lahti

>polisneverwrong.jpg

>>389275346
you're right, it's a military sim like ARMA

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>>389271149

>>389275731
something about that scrolling background and the slowmotion cracks me up. he's like a space whale.

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Everyone is trying to clone Overwatch and get the hero shooter audience, fatigue is already setting in. Bethesda is doing a decent job of bringing back older franchises. People are tired of CoD and getting tired of Battlefield/Front. I would say it's more like a buffet of FPS: lots of variety, questionable quality in some parts but you can easily find something you'll enjoy.

>captcha was street signs that are near me

>>389275887
they havent hit the mmofps g-spot yet. there is definitely a spot open for a game-changer. star citizen is probably going to be it imo.

>>389275457
I don't care if its morally irresponsible, I just want more consumers to stop blindly buying this shit. Informed, educated customers are the best way to sift and call out the bullshit, but marketing and fabricated hype sells games now.

The primary source of revenue for these publishers is changing. 15-20 years ago, the best way to make money with your game was to make a good game, hobbyists still held much of the purchasing power. Fast forward to 6th/7th gen, we see a huge influx of new customers, games get more mainstream and commercialized, publishers figure out they can chop up games and sell them piece by piece in the form of DLC, hype and trailers start mattering more than the quality of the game. Appealing to as wide an audience as possible with CG trailers and selling DLC becomes more profitable than appealing to hobbyists.

Fast forward again, tot he end of 7th gen/start of 8th, and we see skyrocketing production costs due to the mainstream's demand for photo-realism and movie-games and a downward trend of game and dedicated hardware sales. Publishers are scrambling to find a new source of revenue. I hate that fat fuck Jim Sterling, but he had an informative video about the attitude and goals of major publishers following the inflation of 7th gen and subsequent deflation toward the end of that cycle. Publishers can't sustain themselves on the traditional retail model anymore, the primary source of income for them is now micro-purchases and service models.

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>Great
>FPS

Pick one.

>>389271149
Pretry sure I had more fun with Perfect Dark, turok, time splitteres, and even the more recent War for/ fall of Cybertron.

The op games are alright but are plagued with microtransactions and have a fairly toxic player base.

No

After 2010 all games were either acceptable or utter trash

>>389273413
Lovely planet got a sequel? With a shotgun? The fuck?

>>389273532
>The distinction between a and an is for spoken convention, not written convention, and if writing "FPS", "an" is correct.
Huh, didn't know this. Thanks for the food though.

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>>389271149
98-07 was the golden age.

I feel sad for retards that didn't get to live through the glorious HL1/HL2 mod era.

>>389271350
Just say faggots. A good chunk of people who played Doom are millennials

>>389271969
>We're only now starting to fully recover.
If you call low skill moba trash infested with skinner box gambling a recovery.

>>389273147
>>389273372
Could you explain?

>>389276974
What does Terry think about vidya?

>>389276303
Yeah, the big publishers are all pushing micro-transactions and maximizing player playtime in their games above all else. I know this too well. The cancellation of the Deus Ex franchise was when I realized just how bad it's gotten. Still though, I have fun with games, but I end up playing more japanese games as time goes on and less western games. Even though western gameplay at its height was the greatest, the people playing games these days don't want an engrossing experience to lose themselves in, they want to relax after a long day at work.

>>389271149
For milenials maybe, the real FPS golden age happened around 1999 and early 2000s

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>>389271350
>tfw still play UT2004
most fun game ever. Even games against bots are GOAT. Try defeating a godlike bot with a flak cannon on close quarters.

>>389271149
lol I wonder how much bethesda paid for that article

>>389277172
If you were born in 1980 you are a millennial. You fucking child.

>>389271149
>abundance of similar products=golden age

>>389277481
Butthurt 2000s baby detected, go play your disney shooters sweetie maybe one day you will get to play shooters that demand real skill

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>>389271149
A lot of good shooters right now sure, but not the ones he mentioned.

>>389277126
Then they can watch some fucking Netflix.

I agree though, the experience those customers want is a different one. They want passive entertainment, to be presented with entertainment, as opposed to wanting to play an actual game that demands some level of critical thought and problem-solving. Miyamoto said about as much himself a few years ago, and I think it was spot-on.

The expansion of the medium and indusrty brought all these customers in, they wanted high production values and movie-like experiences. Now that they're slowly trickling out and buying fewer games publishers are scrambling to keep making the same amount of money, they can't sustain themselves on the same retail model anymore, costs are too high, risk is too high now.

Sure, you'll have a GTA5 or W3 level hit here and there still, but the days of those games being the majority of what comes out and how publishers make money is long gone. Why would publishers spend years and tens upon tens of millions of dollars on games like those when they could crap out a skinnerbox for a fraction of the cost and in a fraction of the time to make as much or more money, with little of the same risk? They'll take the sure bet every time, they'll take the vehicle for micro-purchases every time, there's no reason not to.

>>389273258
Words are hard for the average /v/ poster. Rather than learn what a word means, it's easier to just change its meaning to "person who does or believes things I don't like"

>>389271969
Worst time was definitely the age of Gears, Halo, and CoD, and every single game inspired by it through the market.

>>389277642
which ones do you play? I'm still looking for something that can replace natural selection 2. something with gameplay depth and interesting movement. the best i've found is gigantic, but it's not an fps and is lacking some polish. might give paladins a go.

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>>389277642
I bet you're just mad because you suck at Overwatch

>>389277865
Halo came out in 2001, before the advent of DLC, micro-purchases and paid online. It wasn't an online-only skinnerbox, it was a great party game and casual shooter.

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>>389271720
Doom
Wolfenstein
Titanfall 2
Rainbow Six Siege
Prey
Shadow Warrior 2

>>389271350
You do know millennials are the one who are with doom and quake. You are thinking of GenZ.

I dont understand there's whole ton of other genre with better gameplay and people still play FPS game. its the worst, boring genre ever. You do the same fucking thing all the time. Few of them are okay but everything into FPS? Ffs no wonder the 90's is the peak of gaming, everything is more varied at the time, people try to make a good game not a good FPS game.

>>389278027
w-what happens after Z?

>>389271912
Doom is still good.
It's like the Tetris of shooters you can play it at anytime.

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>>389271390
OW,Pubg,Csgo are skill based, I dunno about the others but there are quite a few games with good competitive integrity.

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>>389277926
>which ones do you play? I'm still looking for something that can replace natural selection 2. something with gameplay depth and interesting movement. the best i've found is gigantic, but it's not an fps and is lacking some polish. might give paladins a go.

What do you mean? I guess the closest would be Titanfall 2, which is honestly pretty good and gets free content updates all the time.

>>389277929
>I bet you're just mad because you suck at Overwatch

Overwatch bores me because of how simple it is. I also find the characters incredibly bland personality wise.
If I wanted to tickle that itch I'd just boot up TF2 again.

>>389278098
Z: Steel Soldiers

>>389277865
I unironically like the first two GoW and the first 3 Halos + Reach for what they are: casual but really entertaining experiences. For me Halo 2 was easy one of the best console shooters to exist.

>>389278021
>Titanfall 2
Wasted potential, still online-only, still has micro-purchases.

>Rainbow Six Siege
Come the fuck on, its exactly what was described, its an online-only husk for pushing microtransactions.

If a shooter is on console, it should have local multiplayer. Period. Why the fuck else would you be playing it n a console?

>>389271149
all shit fps, only good fps I played last year were titanfall 2 and bf1 and dude goes with kiling floor 2 and overcuck

>still nothing to replace tf2

God damnit

>>389278196
They're skinnerboxes that exist to push micro-purchases.

>>389271149
>muh multiplayer

>>389278091
FPS is accessible, generally fast paced and straighforward.

Trying to get someone to try out an FPS is far easier than to get them to try out an RTS, SRPG, etc.

>>389271149
10 years ago we had prime Halo,CoD,CS Source, other stuff like L4D and Bioshock

>>389278278
Anon you're replying to, I'm right there with you on all of that, but it still caused a depression in variety and quality for FPS genre for nearly a decade.

>>389277737
The worst part is that people buy this stuff as a status symbol, and there is no point in having a status symbol if you're by yourself since you can't show it off to anyone. I'm not interested in status or impressing women irl, which might have something to do with why these virtual status symbols mean nothing to me. To get back on topic, the death of high budget single-player gaming is upon us. We've just seen Bioware's franchises crashing and burning, and surprise surprise, a new co-op shooter taking its place. Even Cyperpunk 2077 is said to include a multiplayer element. The best we can hope for is that it's not too intrusive. Dark Souls is a great example of a minimalist multiplayer component that adds to the single-player experience, but it doesn't involve sitting around and mirin' other players, so it'll go by the wayside.

>>389272463
Text should be changed to a more relevant "blow it out your ass"

>>389278251
I really hate how new shooters handle their UIs with unnecessary big fonts and visibility blocking. The same info about killing players could be shown on the upper right corner like every single other shooter out there, no need to reinvent a formula that works.

>>389278635
western games cant die fast enough. fucking idiots making movie games wannabe hollywood cucks oding on the sjw koolaid. the people that make the commercials for the games make more money than the publishers for fucks sakes.

>>389278027
The way things are going? Z is a fitting name

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>>389278021
>prey

>>389271263
fpbp, nu-doom had a chance yo redeem modern fps, but they decide to make it a fuckint arena grinder.

>>389278098
Super
or GT

>>389278737
I totally agree with you in general. Way too busy HUDs in modern FPS. However, in Titanfall 2, all of that shit can be toggled off.

2005-2010 you fags

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>>389278251
>titan ready: tone

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>>389277238
my negro
I reinstalled it last month because I was craving some action in pic related

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>>389278302
>that description of Siege
Now I see, my 200+ hours of pure fun with my friends from another town were merely artificial even though I didn't spend a single dime for the game apart from the initial 10 bucks purchase

>>389271350
I grew up with those games and I have the balls to say they were trash

Fuck arena shooters. Boring garbage

>>389278302
>Wasted potential, still online-only, still has micro-purchases.

Wasted potential in what way? SP was good, MP was good, it's now even better.
Online only? Why would you buy Titanfall 2 and not play it online?
You're seriously whining about cosmetic microtransactions when they release free content updates? New maps, modes, titans, etc? For real?

>If a shooter is on console, it should have local multiplayer. Period. Why the fuck else would you be playing it n a console?

... what? You mean splitscreen? Not only will you not see shit, but it kills performance/visuals.
Just have your friend bring along his ps4 or whatever and plug it into a monitor.

>>389278545
Are you sure?
https://youtu.be/9yYp8ZeQ-I8


You just say that because you are playing FPS since 10+ years, it's a natural skill for you.

RTS used to be popular between casual players, not FPS In my experience, girls who never played vidya likes city builders

>>389278302
>online-only husk for pushing microtransactions.
Kill yourself, stupid niGGer

>>389271149

Things could be better if the entire fucking industry wasn't obsessed with DLC and microtransactions. At the very least we can confirm that the Call of Duty frenzy is pretty much over, so FPS games don't wanna replicate that boring meme-centric garbage series.

>>389279426
>Are you sure?

Why are you cherrypicking?

You have to be downright delusional if you think RTS games are more pick up and play friendly.
FPS is literally point and click. Look at what you want to shoot and press a button. Contratz you can now play through the game or go online.

>>389277238
its fun, play it still from time to time onslaught and DM. Sometime I crave instagib tho but no servers are ever up. Feels bad man.

Golden age of FPS was Q3 and UT.

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>>389279002
>that shitflinging that always happens on the tower point
>the faggot who uses cicada
>the bigger faggot that takes avril and never uses it
>spma spam
I also miss Necris vehicles in UT3 (because Viper and Nemesis were the shit) but its as dead as Battleborn by now

>>389278778
I didn't care about sjw shit in games until they started getting offended whenever there's an attractive female character and saying the Witcher is sexist garbage. When you have a game with extensive character interaction and a romance system, but all the female characters look intentionally worse than pretty much any movie, tv show, or japanese game, you can't ignore it anymore (hi bioware). Why do these feminist ideals of countering the male gaze penetrate so far into western game developers and not any other industry?

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>we have a wide variety of FPS
hes not wrong, we have all the cool and 1337 FPS cicera 1950-2011

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>>389279793
>Golden age of FPS was Q3 and UT.

Nope.

>>389279895
because people that make videogames are bitches that bend to the will of their women.

>>389278954

1998 - 2004 I would say was the golden age of online multiplayer shooters on PC.

For single player you could push the start back to Doom and it's various clones and spin offs such as Heretic, Duke etc.

1998 - 2004 Gets you:

Quake 2 ( end of 1997 so close enough) and it's mods
Quake 3
Unreal Tournament + 2003 + 2004
Half-Life
Half-Life 2
Counter-Strike
Tribes 1 + 2
Battlefield 1942
Return to Castle Wolfenstein + Enemy Territory
Call of Duty 1
System Shock 2
Deus Ex

And various others I'm sure I'm forgetting. It seemed like every game was running on the Q3 engine at the time.

>>389280132
Yeah who can forget all those great FPS games made before 1990

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>>389280143
>because people that make videogames are bitches that bend to the will of their women.

Many men do.
I have 2 friends that got married and are now under the heel of their women, despite them not having jobs and being massive cunts.

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It fucking sucks right now

Only games on the market that are viable are Overwatch and Rainbow Six Siege, and I feel like it's too late to get into Siege

>>389280292
Titanfall 2 is currently the best MP FPS on the market right now if you're into more skill based and faster paced gameplay.

>>389279426
City Builders are pretty good man, as long as they aren't both new releases and related to simcity

Also, I never played D44M but that early game looks lame as shit. A game like Serious Sam went balls deep on you with the AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAs since the beginning even on the easiest difficulty

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>>389280223
>he didnt play korean war and the vietnam and falklands expansion packs
LMAOing @ your life

>>389280138

You're entitled to your opinion but I was stating a fact. It's not up for debate.

>>389271149
Actual golden age was after mouselook was implemented so quake and HL and such. Doom was out there kicking it off

>face of a meme genre engineered to appeal to the lowest common denominator
>unfinished early access mess
>game thats practically the same as it was 20 years ago
>hero shooter that gains nothing from being a hero shooter other than marketability
>disappointing sequal
Some fucking golden age.

>>389280143
There are lots of outreach, training and scholarship programs aimed at getting more gender diversity in the gaming industry. It will unfortunately be solely up to investors and marketing types to make a financial case for including attractive female characters in games , since other arguments and objections can be safely discounted as sexism. I predict a rise in the popularity of Japanese games.

>>389280398
How is it on PC? Still kicking? Thinking of picking it up after being disappointed by the movement in lawbreakers.

>>389281043
Ask the Titanfall 2 general, I play on PS4 nowadays because of my friends having shit PCs.

>>389280875
women make games that I will never have interest in. I mean Kings Quests were great but I doubt we'll be seeing anything more diverse than lesbians and gays for the next 10 years.

>>389271390
>>389278196
>>389271720
>>389272104
>>389272762
>>389272939

>microtransactions make the game bad
That's the customers fault, not the developers.

>>389273075
>>389273147
>>389273372
>>389273398

>People saying CS requires no skill
>people saying X requires no skill

Dumb claim to make, any multiplayer game requires skill, is not like you are going to get beaten by someone who has never played the game. Not only on CS but also in OW, Quake or any other fucking FPS around.

Anyone who says "HAHAHA X GAME REQUIRES NO SKILL" probably hasn't played the game they are criticizing or isn't good enough at it

>>389279895
>saying the Witcher is sexist garbage
Its not sexist garbage, its just regular garbage. Its an interactive storybook, one of the worst "RPGs" I've played in recent years. great presentation and visuals, solid dialogue, but the actual game parts of the game are all fucking awful. I got a real "Well, it's a game, so we HAVE to include gameplay" vibe from the developer.

Its also pushing the visual/story bullshit to the mainstream, perpetuating the notion that only these kinds of mature, story-driven games are "real" games, ensuring we get even more bloated budgets and more shallow gameplay in the future instead of scaling back like the industry should and needs to.

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>>389271149
Please don't post this again.

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>>389281301
>That's the customers fault, not the developers.
lolno

>>389280292
>I feel like it's too late to get into Siege
It's not, there's more where that came from, senpai.

>>389271912
This. Doom is outdated garbage. Anyone who says otherwise needs to take of the nostalgia goggles / shouldn't be playing videgames at their age

>>389271350
>tfw no skill based movement or skill based weapons
Only Titanfall and TF2 have scratched my arena shooter itch so far, and they're near dead. Titanfall would be a lot better without titans or AI.

>>389276303
People today are more casual and incompetent in general. I knew a lot of people who weren't hobbyists or "gamers" but were capable of beating some pretty hard games. Normalfags are literally too beta to play video games at this point lel

>>389281543
You have to be over 18 years old to use this site

>>389281458
>people press the "pay" button willingly
>"THE INDUSTRY IS ALL FUCKED UP AND CAPITALISM IS RUINING SOCIETY"

Also, nice rebuttal full of arguments retard

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>>389271149
Look at all that fucking mp shit.

No, fuck you Evan it will never ever stop being the 90s you clickbaity hackfraud.

>>389278545
To me, FPS make player less open-minded to more varied style of game.

I had a friend who played vg 10 hours a day since he was little and all he fucking do is play COD. He says shit about most of the critically aclaimed games without even trying it.

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>>389281573
This is your average gamer these days

>>389281862
How about don't implement microtransactions in the first place

>>389271350
You are not wrong but you are not quite right.

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>>389271149

>>389278196
>ow, pubg
>competitive integrity
lol

>>389271149
He is, doom 2016 is the best fps shooter in a decade, quake champions is more fun and with more players than shitty wanna be quake clones we had before it. Only wish the industry had more to offer than shooters

>>389278196

Is this a joke post?

Nothing has replaced cod4 promod so no.

>>389271149
The modern FPS has no respect for gamers who wish to play offline, who wish to be entrenched in a deep story with lore or complexity, and only caters to those who are looking for cheap violent thrills.
The modern FPS is a loaded question, with gambling, influences more fitting for other genres, and a lack of admiration for players whose skill is so great that they rise to the top of every match they play.
The modern FPS is so sweaty and e-sports centric that there is no casual fun to be had. There is no learning process for beginners, and the divide between social and competitive modes is so great the incentive to learn is all but lost.
The modern FPS tries nothing to progress the realism and depth of gaming, but instead treads the same ground year after year.
The modern FPS pretends to admire the FPS' before it, but in its admiration, it fails to understand what made the FPS' before it great.
The modern FPS is more concerned about not scaring the regressive thinking old-guard investor rather than being an addition to the genre.

We have been abused, manipulated, and robbed out of our wallets by the modern FPS. It is here where we must denounce the modern FPS in favor of a new subgenre FPS: the progressive FPS. Do not fret, for "progressive" in this context means nothing politically, and only strives to make the distinction that progressive FPS games are "more real and more deep" than the modern FPS.

And it shall be done.

>>389282160
>i don't want my business to make money

>>389282637
>My business will make money based off of the loyalty of customers that I have treated well

>>389282548
All of this plus no split screen.

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>>389282112
How did we even get to a point where this is allowed?

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I liked FPS so much growing up. Since the last 5 years I'm avoiding them like the plague. Just shows why shit games are made. People like them.

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wouldn't "new millennials" be a better descriptor of the people being complained about in this thread

FPS for campaign maybe.

Doom was great
Prey was great
Infinite Warfare was fun as hell

>>389271350
>for millennials?
> for people that grew up with games like doom, duke, quake and unreal championships?

You keep using that word, I don't think it means what you think it means.jpg

>>389281480
it is, i got it last march and got pooped on by max level people in casual

i later learned all the people i played against where using the min-max meta characters that are usually seen in competitive modes

>>389271969
>Third person cover based shooters saturated the market
Horrible time. Literally more casual than CoD.

>>389282840
How can you have valid criticism for anything if you haven't touched in 5 years? That shows nothing but the fact you are biased as fuck.

>>389282548
Wah

I haven't played FPS games for like 10 years now. Before that I played FPS games almost daily

>>389283223
What do you play instead?

>>389282936
Keep making up stories bro.

>>389273398
The problem I have with CS spray patterns is the same problem I have with CoD sprays. Sure CS sprays are consistent so you can learn the patterns but the lack of visual feedback makes it just feel awful, just like with CoD you can hipfire with a sniper rifle and actually see how the shot traveled diagonally out of the barrel with just a minor shake of the gun representing the recoil.

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>>389271720
>overwatch actually has the gall to tack microtransactions on a game you already have to pay for
Shit's fucking disgusting.

>>389283316
Basically everything except FPS and fighting games. Lots of RPGs and also some older games, currently playing through MM6

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best generation of quantity, worst generation for qualtiy.

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>>389271149
>>389271350

I remember PC gamer have unilateral veto to Call of Duty and Battlefields; now they claim "FPS golden age" because some niche no-CoD are popular.

We're in a <everything except FPS> dark age.

Really this is more like the FPS gilded age

>>389282689

Business owners don't have a responsibility to make money in a manner that you approve of. It really isn't an exaggeration to say that it is pretty much the fault of the consumer base that micro-transaction models are so profitable. It's literally a "vote with your wallet" situation, and the result is an overwhelming approval of such practices. I don't like it either, but it is literally the free market at work.

>>389284271
Fighting games are in a great spot Capcom notwithstanding. We've never had so many good titles all out at once, and more keep coming.

>>389284282
If I ever ran a business, even I would realize that customer loyalty is more valuable than a customer fulfilling a gambling addiction.

Most game giants these days were BUILT on the loyalty of customers, and now they're all screaming FUCK YOU from the rooftops.

>>389283174
Not really an argument anon. Where's your restaurant or food analogy?

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>>389271149
>Overwatch
TF2 clone
>CS:GO
literally a game from 20 years ago with new graphics
>Quake Champions
Overwatch clone
>Killing Floor 2
Sequel

great fucking golden age.
its as if these people only started playing games after they became mainstream with the military shooter cancer of the later 2000s

>>389273258
Also, it's highly, highly likely that people who use this word regularly are millennials themselves, if not even younger.

>>389271149
yes you would have to be a complete fucking retard to disagree. EVEN if you only like classic games its never been cheaper or easier to host your own servers or setup network play.

>>389284889
>after they became mainstream with the military shooter cancer of the later 2000s
You mean Halo and the Halo killer and/or WW2 shooter cancer of the early 2000s

>>389284889
Fuck you, I'd rather have military shooters and repetitive COD than downright retarded scifi COD with gambling.

>>389271350
Millennials are the people who grew up with Doom and Quake you fucking idiot.

>>389285060
I was born in 1999. Am I a millennial or a Gen Z?

>>389284770
>If I ever ran a business, I would do things differently

Good for you. Many businesses won't, and that's perfectly alright. If you don't like the way things are done nowadays, then you should be leveling the blame almost squarely at the consumers, not the producers. We would not be seeing these types of business models if they weren't so profitable in the first place. Nobody is forcing Johnny Cocksucker to buy so many loot crates. He is the sole reason that microtransactions are so attractive to businesses.

>>389285286
It's easier to tell devs to stop with that bullshit than tell millions of people to stop paying for microtransactions

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>>389271149
Are you guys fucking retarded? He's absolutely right. The big turd (TPS) has been plaguing this industry with it's fucking filth for years now since 2006 - 2013, even popping up on games that shouldn't be a TPS.

>Saint's Row
>Gears of War
>Alpha Protocol
>Mass Effect
>Infamous
>Just Cause
>The Last of Us
>Crackdown
>Kane and Lynch
>Army of Two: The 40th Day
>Wanted: Weapons of Fate
>Lost Planet series
>Crime Craft
>APB
>Hellgate
>Even fucking RED FACTION which was always a FPS went TPS with Guerilla.

Either you guys are too young to be here when we were complaining about the retarded amounts of TPS appearing everywhere, or you just arrived here.

Just look at how fucking embarassing FPS were at that point of time. All we had to look to was Cawadoodies and it's military-like ripoffs, Killzone, and Halos.

>>389280398
not unless they remove Titanfall 1 from the store and shut down the servers

>>389285534

And the results will be about the same, too. Why would developers and publishers want to make less money?

>>389285596
Because the 90s was the real FPS golden age

>>389285596
>Lost Planet

Fuck you faggot Lost Planet was amazing.

>>389285125
I think you have to be old enough to remember the change from 1999 to 2000 to be considered a millennial. Probably like 1980-1995.

>>389271350
>for people that grew up with games like doom, duke, quake and unreal championships
If you grew up with those you are a millennial you retard

>>389285596
I would rather have games like Lost Planet 2, Red Faction Guerilla and Saint's Row 2 than fucking PUBG and OW

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>>389271149
Only Overwatch and Killing Floor 2 are working towards more progressive and inclusive videogames.

How's it not the developer's fault again? Sure players are fueling it, but the devs are the ones shitting up their game with that garbage.

>>389286106
meant for
>>389285742

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>>389271149
>Overwatch, PUBG, CS:GO, Quake Champions, Killing Floor 2

>>389286083
this man will never get a good gf that loves him. she will only be there for the objectification of him as an ATM. thats the reality of this mans life.

>>389284803
An argument for what? You are just a fuckin crybaby.

>>389284889
>Quake Champions
>Overwatch clone
t.retard who gets his hot opinions from 4chan and never actually plays games.

>>389276974
>HL1/HL2 mod era

-Science and Industry
-Natural Selection
-Vampire Hunter
-Zombie Panic
-Brain Bread
-The Specialists
-Firearms
-Untold numbers of horror-themed singleplayer mods
-Rediculous HL1 map campaigns in the Black Mesa compound
-And the motherfucking best HL mod ever: Sven Coop

Fuck the world that fucking GENERIC, BORING, COUNTERSTRIKE was the one that managed to live through all this time.

>>389273398
Spread patterns are retarded in that they dont make the crosshair move with them.
But to be fair the guy had his crosshair OFF his target for more than half of the webm

>>389271149
stop making this thread, all of those FPS games are shit and can't even compare to 20 year old ones like Quake.

>>389285781
So there can only be one golden age?

>>389274651
This desu

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>>389286083
>that entire forum post
It's already enough that RS2 is fucking terrible with its lack of large-scale combat maps and XP grind, and now this. Next fucking thing that comes out, I might as well pirate it.
>hey guise, here are three new guns - two fucking redundant pistols and a silenced variant of the M21

>>389286083
The fact neckbeard gamers cared so much about this, it's proof he may have a point.

>>389286563
They announced new guns for KF2?

>>389280187
And
>NOLF
>Clive Barker's Undying
>CUBE
>XOps

>>389271149
Sure?
I want to disagree because to me the golden age was cs and quake and ricochet alongside a handful of others that escape my memory, but I also played a lot of Yuri's revenge in between.

Nowadays it's arma, nudoom, some indie fps shit and Yuri's revenge still.

Eh fuck it, no this isn't the golden age, this is silver age, OVERpopulated trash, sure there's lots of fps but most of them are shit and the popular ones are the most shit

>>389286106
>How's it not the developer's fault again?

Because a business has one responsibility (generally speaking), and that is to make money. They cannot be at fault unless they're doing something wrong, and if they were doing something wrong, they wouldn't be making money and would eventually go out of business.

You have every reason not to like it, but you cannot fault it as a business model. It's profitable as fuck and a business is supposed to be about making profit.

>>389286449
>-Untold numbers of horror-themed singleplayer mods
God dammit man, why don't people care about singleplayer anymore?

>>389286729
Cs was never good.

>>389286449
And
>Irongrip: The Oppression
>SMOD
>CSS Sci Fi
>Eclipse
>Dystopia
>Eternal Silence

Why is everything shit now? Just kill me

>>389273962
If I was born on 1995 what am I then?

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>>389286083
The proof that SJW infiltration of the industry is real.

>>389286317
This. Image related.

At least Dusk is coming out, everybody ITT needs to go pirate the first episode and play through it, it'll be a breath of fresh air.

>>389285596
The 40th day was good.

>>389278196
Overwatch can't have competitive play because the hitboxes are so fucked

>>389286813
I preferred 1.5-1.6 I don't care what you like fag, it was fun to come home from school and play some hotel California server with your buds. You will never convince me that I wasn't having fun

>>389271149
>PUBG
>FPS

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I think the guy who wrote that is 100% retarded, but we did get three of the best shooters ever in the last couple of years:

>Arcane Dimensions
>nuDOOM
>Turok and Turok 2

Not at all. I would say that it was around the time of MW2/Black Ops. A lot of the shooters at the time were quite fun then. Now it's just rehashes and people are tired.

Name like 5 really bad FPS's within the last 3 years, and name like any FPS from 2005 to 2014 (usually bad)

>>389287035
>Pubg handles like shit
>Plays like king of the kill but better optimized
>Gunplay is still trash
>Server latency still breaks the entire game on regular basis
>Gets an fps mode
>WE GOLDEN AGE NOW

>>389286910
Dusk looks like lazy shit.
Seems like it's made by people who think that "lol, old games are ugly" and make intentionally shitty ironic graphics.
Doom is atmospheric, Quake is beautiful, Blood is crazy cool. Dusk looks like trash.

>>389283523
it's a stylistic problem. anything remotely "competitive" needs a streamlined style that's easy to read under pressure. early dota 2 and tf2 had it down to a science. CSGO would be infinitely better if it had laser guns or some shit so you could actually read your bullets

>>389286753
You're pretty much saying nothing, even if it works as a business I can still say it's the devs fault and tell them to go fuck themselves while supporting devs that actually give a shit about making a fun game for other people to play instead of a cash cow.

>>389271149
Yes, we're in an FPS golden age where half of pckeks have been and still are playing TF2 and CS for the 15th year in a row and everything new coming out is an Overwatch knockoff, which is a TF2 knockoff.

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>>389286895
>Autistic, fat ass, youtube celeb trash has hot alt-right and neo nazi opinions
>How BASED! Freedom of speech!
>Game developper has progressive ideals and wants HIS game to reflect those
>SJWS! The j00s must be behind this!

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>>389286669
No, for RS2.
>mfw the PMM is just a shittier TT-33
>mfw the M1917 revolver is just for Revolver Ocelot-ing
>mfw the M21 is just underpowered due to the scope being ranged as far as 200 meters; plus it's bolt action
>mfw they still haven't added in variants of the MAT-49 and Grease Gun without those god awful sights

>>389284889
>>Killing Floor 2
>Sequel
As if being a sequel makes it less of a great game.

>>389286950
Cs garbage is still there, which proves it was never something that special.

>>389287203
Yes, I'm not going to say it doesn't look bad, because it does, but it plays very much like the games of old did. And no, I'm not just saying this like many retards said about D44M because that game played at fucking best like a Painkiller clone, Dusk has actual level design with enemies existing on the map for the player to fight instead of being teleported in.

Like I said, find a torrent of the first episode, it'll look like shit, sure, but the gameplay will be a breath of fresh air.

>>389287063
last 3 years
>CoD
>Battlefield
>PUBG
>Battleborn
>Overwatch
>Shadow Warrior
>The Triad
>Wolfenstein

2005 to 2014
>FEAR
>Crysis
>NOLF2
>Sin Episodes: Emergence
>Cube 2: Sauerbraten

>>389271912
>>389281543
ah, to be this young and stupid again

I hate millennial so much.

>>389286783
>God dammit man, why don't people care about singleplayer anymore?

The same problem exists in the RTS genre, where static and unchanging maps result in repeated patterns of gameplay, which is basically a way of saying
"Boring"

If forced to play a singleplayer RTS game forever, and given the choice to play the exact same game but one with random maps, i would choose the random map RTS.

In order to truely save single player FPS games, developers have to stop fucking using the """cinematic experience""" meme of design, because it's only one method of experiencing the game. Which inevitably becomes worn out and boring when you know all the twists and all the turns and secrets... if secrets exist; and they probably don't, "why spend dev-time on things that won't be seen?" is the "reasoning" behind the death of secrets in games.

>>389287501
Hmph maybe

There's a "Golden Age of FPS Games" every 5 years.

>>389287537
there's literally one good game in that entire list

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>>389287281
I might just be a fuccboi but I think splatoon is a nice take on arena shooters. besides all the ridiculous two map rotation garbage that is.

>>389287575
You hate yourself?

>>389287706
>implying all the 2005 to 2014 games aren't great
You're a retard.

>>389287537
By Wolfenstein, you mean 2012/2013, right? Because I'd like to refute your addition of Wolfenstein because of The New Order.
>inb4 yu kill nazis therefore game bad

>>389287603
>The same problem exists in the RTS genre, where static and unchanging maps result in repeated patterns of gameplay, which is basically a way of saying
"Boring"
So how the fuck do you explain Doom still being a massive success to this day while STRAFE was hot garbage forgotten after a week?

>>389271149
we'll know in 10/15 years

>>389287837
The New Order is typical modern console FPS trash.
Return To Castle Wolfenstein was the last good one.

>>389273398
Thats some Pulp Fiction shit right there

>>389271350
I am a millennial, and played all those games on or near their release date.

No.

WW2 isn't out so we are still in the dark ages of COD aka stupid wall running jetpack bullshit.

Arma 3 is good but not a main FPS to play.

Overwatch while good JUST got TDM, the main FPS mode, and it isn't even competitive.

PUGB doesn't have teams or mods yet.

Quake? Quake was never good?


Killing floor? Kill yourself.

Halo is dead too.

>>389286083
Why does this guy own this company

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>>389273696
>>389285596
>>389280187
>>389286676
FPSs died back in 2006/2007 and made way for TPS for a reason.

It was the same timeframe/era when god awful diarrhea called "F2P money scammers" like WarRock, WolfTeam, Combat Arms, Special Force, Crossfire, etc, started making their appearances into the genre, and literally killed whatever good or future it have had.

I wouldn't blame devs who wanted to stay the fuck far away from that.

>>389272252
How in the world do you say FPS as one word?

>>389287917
bullshit you havent played the new iterations and if you did then you failed to realize how similar the game-play felt.

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>>389288008
>Quake? Quake was never good?
lmao, i always come to this threads and rage at people stupidity, but at least you manage to be funny.

>>389273413
Is this roblox?

>>389287263
>You're pretty much saying nothing
I think you're just having trouble figuring it out.

>even if it works as a business I can still say it's the devs fault
You can, but you would be wrong. If nobody bought shit like loot crates, devs wouldn't be making them. How is that not perfectly logical? Blame the person who enables the behavior.

I really don't understand why you think consumers are completely off the hook for supporting microtransactions. They're the ones who want it. They're the ones who pay for it.

Have we really reached the point where individuals are no longer to blame for their lack of self control? If some fat fuck blames Mcdonalds for selling him greasy shitty food, I'm not going to say "Well it's not his fault he's fat, it was Mcdonalds fault for selling that food in the first place." I'm going to call him a disgusting fat fuck, and I'm going to call everyone who buys loot crates a dipshit, because it is THEIR FAULT FOR SUPPORTING THOSE PRODUCTS.

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>>389274651
If anything my problem with csgo is that it's not the same game with only updated graphics and skins.

>>389288252
It wasn't.

There's basically 3 major points to FPS's.

The dark ages aka the time before FPS's were good which is Pre-Halo 1 release FPS's.

The good times Halo 1 - 2012

The new stagnation, which is what we are in now.

>>389288352
or you might have never played the older games. there was a lot of fanservice to people that like the original games.

>>389288041
Because hes not a horny 14 year old boy.

>>389288594
Fanservice "hey, remember this?? ;^)" isn't the same as good gameplay, you fuck.

>>389288551
And here I thought reddit spacing was just a meme.

>>389288250
Maybe TNC will be better but TNO is shit

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>>389286449
mein neger, we truly live in the worst timeline.

>>389288551
>plays fps with a controller
fps's were born on pc kid. your opinion is shit.

>>389288551
I wish I had the opportunity to kill you.
Halo pretty much ruined the FPS genere forever with it's slow, casual bullshit and limitations

>>389288683
You have to go back

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>>389271350
>millennials

>>389288670
the fanservice is in the gameplay goofy. I guess you didnt pick up on it.

>>389288764
>genre
>its
Sorry, it's late

No
In fact, FPS games as of recent are straying pretty far away from "FPS"

>>389288764
you're 100% right and your comment made me laugh. thank you for being you.

>>389271350
>insult literal teenagers on /v/
>20 replies
You're right but you're not allowed to insult PUBG on neo-Reddit.

>>389271350
Rainbow 6 siege is the only thing keeping me alive

>>389271149

>Literally nothing with a comparable gore engine to Ghoul 2.0 from the early 00s

Nah

>>389288695
they did recapture the feel of an old wolfenstein game. I recommend playing it on at least bring em on! id you want to know what I'm talking about. also definitly play the first games all the way through before playing it if you didnt get the similarities.

>>389279002
Is UT2004 even active at all?

>>389288764
this, halo opened the floodgates in the entire industry as a whole to start making basic babymode games to guzzle down cash from casuals who just want to shoot da aliums and don't give a fuck about an actually good challenging game
if you trace back every single cancerous apect of modern videogame design, it all leads back to halo one way or the other
halo was the primogenitor of the downfall of videogames

>>389271350
No I think a better way of putting it is that it goes to show how the industry has finally been around long enough to where entire new generations of people being born will likely not have played all those games that we have played in the 80's-90's years. Back in 2001 the industry could still be seen as relatively young so those old FPS were given far more respect and even known about. In 2017 gaming has effectively been around for over 30 years. At least the gaming that matters to the majority that like games today I mean.

>>389289129
Yup.
Prepare for anal rape, though.

>>389287875
>Doom still being a massive success
sound design.
also, community made content extending game life doesn't count. if you were forced to play the same 4 campaigns you'd probably stop at some point.

>>389271149
>variety

u wot m8

>>389282840
Who is this semen demon?

>>389278091
FPS is the porn of video game genres. You know what you are going to be in for and you know it is going to give you a cheap thrill.

Other genres aren't as easy to get into for the most part. FPS games also give an immersion that isn't really duplicated in a lot of other genres because it is a first person perspective. Something we all can relate to. I just wish that developers learned to not have to rely so much on cinematics when they can be telling their stupid story and allow it to be seen through the eyes of the pc. Like Bioshock did.

>>389289198
I think thats a bad opinion because even the new generations are agreeing that the old games had something the new ones dont. What everyone is trying to put their finger on and cant seem to, is that games used to be innovative even if they were fps. for the most part a new game would have some entirely new concept put into each game. they were much more oriented on gameplay and not cinematics. this is why nintendo will continue to flourish with such subpar hardware. they put everything behind the game design. not the subpar voice overs and cut-scenes. you all know its true, you just cant admit that.

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>>389271350

I wish more people knew this Multiplayer game :l