Why are Japanese fans so obsessed with EoSD?

The better question is why aren't westerners
I cringe when I see someone advise someone to play PCB before EoSD

Because they are too pleb to understand that IN is the best game.

>>389266628
>likable cast
>good soundtrack
>its fun

I don't see the problem

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>>389266628

>>389266628
two words
loli vampires

Because it's the first "proper" 2hu game and along with the cast and music, the one they grew up with.

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>>389266628
why does half of that girl's art have her drawn as a loli, and the other half as borderline obese? Is there not a consensus of how she looks despite there being official art of her?

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>>389268608
Because part of this series appeal is fans coming up with their own interpretations on how the characters are "suppose to look" regardless of official art

>>389266628
>Still unique as the only fully explicitely foreign faction.
>First cast of characters post-soft reboot, have had most exposure.
>Related to this, has largest amount of fan work.
That's more or less it.
EoSD is fine but not fantastic.

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>>389266628
I see you went on danbooru a couple of days ago. I'd assume because it is where the series starts to become known for its high-quality character design.

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Japan has bad taste.

Is one of the best games in the series
UFO is the best one

>>389270954
That's not DDC

>>389270954
>Praises two games with completely different design philosophies, with the only real common thread being their polarizing natures.
Baiting 101.

>>389270954
You mean SA

Because EoSD has the best cast. Everyone from later 2hus just looks like weird multi-hair colored generic moetrons.

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>>389271386
I herd u talkin shit like i wouldn't find out

>>389271454
to be honest I'm just playing the games in order and I can't beat 6 so I don't know any of the other characters and that makes me sad

EoSD spawned shit macros like UN Owen Was HER?!?!?!? back in 2004 and shit.
Like how Sonic 3 and Knuckles spawned & Knuckles meme, and Mario 64 spawned QPU memes, it's the meme game of it's series. A long running series always has a meme game that's talked about 24/7.

>>389271775
>Putting Sonic 3 & K with Mario 64 and EoSD
The difference is that Sonic 3 & K is the high point of its series haven't played Mania yet while Mario 64 and EoSD are dated relics that have been improved upon.

>>389272029
Sonic 2 is better

>>389272162
That's not Sonic CD

>>389272162
>More playable characters, each with unique ways of traversing stages, giving far greater replayability.
>More zones.
>More expansive acts with more interesting gimmicks.
>Bonus zones that aren't complete trash.
>Shields add depth to gameplay.
>More satisfying final zone and final boss
3&K is just a better game overall, 2 is just the meme answer that died out years back.
Hell, 1 is better than 2, thanks to the zones being more experimental and having more thought put into their design thanks to the lack of spindash.

>>389272321
>CD
That one just feels weird, for some reason.

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>>389270954
I, too, agree that IN is the best one.

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Is it time for opinions?

>>389267716
*easiest

>>389268608
Because librarian can be both obese or underdeveloped.
Some people think that sitting on your bum all day and eating cakes and pricey tea will make her fat.
Other people think that by relying on magic in everything and spending time shut in dusty room, she won't grow up at all.

>>389268608
Fat fetishists going for the easiest target in the EoSD cast, that's really about it.
Remi and Flan are lolis, so they won't do.
Sakuya is a servant, which already implies that she's too active and not taking in enough carbs to get fat.
Meiling is a martial artist, so that's straight out.
You're really only left with Patchy for your fatty needs.
If I had to further guess, it could also be related to how Patchy threatens to eat Marisa, which could give the impression that she's a big eater (which doesn't actually seem to be true in canon, mind you.)

But canon she's pretty clearly a skeleton.

>>389266628
It's the "first" Touhou game. The EoSD cast are the most iconic characters in the whole series

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Fatchouli best chouli

>>389271386

>Clones of the casts from Lotus Land and Mystic Square
>Best cast

>touhou

Get out.

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>>389274152
no

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>>389274152
Flatchy>Fatchy

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>>389273229
>Entries with no major flaws
>PoFV

>Entries with few noticeable flaws
>LoLK

>>389274647
>>389274620
Yes

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>>389274730
>Nigga doesn't even play PoFV netplay.

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>>389274962
>WARNING
>WARNING
>WARNING
>(Level 2 spam)
>WARNING
>WARNING
>LAG
>WARNING

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>>389275218
You sound like someone who got destroyed once, and decided to blame the game rather than your own lack of ability to play.

>>389275363
You sound like you are out of arguments

>>389275590
How peaceful is gensokyo anyway?
everything sounds like it can kill you you just by looking at your general direction
Then there's tea afternoons

>>389275467
I never posted any meaningful argument, and neither did you.
You get what you put in, anon. Though, if I were to be honest, I'm not even really in the mood to argue with your dumb ass today. I'm pretty sure you're the idiot I've had this same discussion with before, anyway, so I know I'm just wasting my time by arguing with your stubborn ass.

>>389275750
Gensokyo is fairly stable thanks to the various powerful factions checking one another, along with the fact that they all follow fairly strict rules in order to maintain the peace.

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>>389275939
>I never posted any meaningful argument
We noticed

>I'm not even really in the mood to argue
So you admit defeat? Good

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>>389275939
So I can read books with patchouli or offer reimu some tea to drink with her at her shrine?

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>>389267550
i used to hate everything about it but it's slowly grown on me, i love pretty much all the songs now

pcb is still my favorite though

I hope we all can agree that GFW is the best non-maingame.

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>>389273229
I never understood how PoFV worked so I never beat it

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>>389276245
>So I can read books with patchouli
Questionable. The major issue would be finding a way to get to the mansion without getting eaten, as an outsider you have no legal protections from youkai attacks. And then, of course, there's the issue of Patchouli technically being, you know, a man eating monster, and may simply kill you. Your best bet would be to tell Meiling that your interested in becoming an employee at the manor, and that you seek an audience with Remilia. Get the job (should be easy, the fairies got jobs and they suck at cleaning), and I'd imagine that Patchouli would at least respect you enough to not kill you.

>or offer reimu some tea to drink with her at her shrine?
Absolutely, and it's likely that you'll end up near there if you somehow were to find yourself in Gensokyo anyway.

>>389276171
Sure, friend.

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>>389276690
Time to find a gun to gensokyo

>>389276685
Destroy fairies and spirits to reflect small bullets to your opponents screen, as well as spawn large unreflectable bullets and extra attacks.
Doing this increases your gauge, which can be spent on attacks which are typically useless vs. ai and should be saved for getting yourself out of a jam.
Destroy things constantly to increase your combo meter in the top left corner of the screen. At certain benchmarks this nets you a free level 4 attack (aka boss attack), and it also increases the rate at which your spell gauge increases.
Destroy Lily and bosses for random drops, such as spawning more extra attacks on your opponents screen, a boost to your combo meter, or a full restore on your spell gauge (easily the best drop)

>>389276994
>Implying your local yama would send you to Gensokyo.

>>389275939
fuck off rg

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>>389277110
Not if i tell them i want to get eaten brutally by yokai

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Hey, anon! I'm going to need
>Your favorite 2hu
>Why she's your favorite
>Your favorite game
>An underrated 2hu song
Quickly, now.

Patchouli>Marisa>Satori>Aya>Reimu>Sagumeme>Murasa>>>>>prisimrivers >>>>DDC stage 4 bosses.

I want to mating press and impregnate patchouli

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What do we think about tentacle pit Patchoulis

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>>389277545
DELETE THIS

>>389278197
it's amazing how after 13 games, ZUN somehow managed to create a stage 4 thats completely and utterly forgettable even though stages 4-6 are usually the most memorable and liked.

>>389277545
Benben and Not-Benben should have had a fight like Mai and not-Mai in HSiFS. Instead we got a poor man's Marisa/Reimu fight.
Speaking of HSiFS, I'm a little disappointed that we didn't get any differences in the stage 4 boss depending on the subshot, but what can you do?

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>>389266628
It has no gimmicks. That alone puts it above the rest.

>>389278448
The stage itself was pretty good tho
I love the magical storm motif

>>389278723
I like the idea, but the fact that it was simply used as a segue to the actual final area hurt it in my opinion. It makes it feel like it's just some long hallway that I'm taking to the castle, rather than a unique location.

>>389278912
Just like every other game

>>389279030
Not really. At least places like the bamboo forest or the dreamworld, despite your short stay in them, feel like fleshed out locations with things in them. The magical storm has no real identifying features aside from being a storm, which is why it feels kind of bland to me.

>>389279264
I bet you love SA then

>>389279442
Yeah. Has nothing to do with this discussion, though.

>>389279519
Stage 5 to 6 in SA are exactly the same
PCB Stage 4 is a snorefest
Most of HSiFS are random locations

Every game has uninteresting stages, and DDC's stage 4 is definitely not the worst offender

>>389277038
Does she listen to hip-hop though, that is the real question

Because that is where loli hentai came from, so obviously they would like a game where you shoot a loli AS a loli with decent music

>>389279932
She does but only the good stuff
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaMNEdswr_Q

>>389270954
Thats a strange way to spell MoF.

>>389279779
I don't think you actually got my point at all.
Former Hell feels like an actual place, magical storm does not.

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>>389279932

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAQ3Wk59zoM
best patchouli coming through

Patchy is fatchi

>>389280193
Whether it's named or not, the place is still there. Just because you don't like something doesn't mean it's not important

>>389266628
Vampire loli ojousamas

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Lolichouli is best chouli.

>>389280530
Again, you miss my point.
Let's take a look at the three examples which have been brought up so far.
>SA 5/6
A blazing inferno that clearly conveys hellish imagery, ending in a confrontation in large room, lit by a large sun in the center of it all. Feels like a natural extension of the previous underground areas.
>PCB 4
A flight that goes through the skies. Starts in a cloudy, dark, and snowy location, which shifts hallway through the stage to something brighter, above the clouds, segueing the player from winter into spring (a change, which, mind you, is marked by Lily's appearance). Not a location, but serves its purpose well of:
A) Serving as a transitional area between the concepts of winter and spring, which plays into the overal themes of the game.
B) Showing how the player gets to the entrance of the netherworld, which is a major plot point.

DDC doesn't work very well because you start the previous stage in the bamboo forest, go through an entire stage that's just storm, and then somehow end up inside a castle. There's no smooth transitions, nothing interesting is conveyed by the storm's appearance, and it doesn't set up any themes that are relevant to the later end of the game. I don't hate DDC's stage 4, but it's rather bland due to some mediocre application of various concepts (DDC, in general, felt kind of disjointed in terms of locations and general story, so it's kind of to be expected.)

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>>389281307
>A blazing inferno that clearly conveys hellish imagery, ending in a confrontation in large room, lit by a large sun in the center of it all.
> Feels like a natural extension of the previous underground area.
You mean the Palace of the Earth Spirits? That's not a smooth transition at all.

>Not a location, but serves its purpose well of:
So now the problem is not that you need the stage to be a specific location? moving goalposts much?

>nothing interesting is conveyed by the storm's appearance, and it doesn't set up any themes that are relevant to the later end of the game.
It literally shows you the way to the castle, the source of all this unusual magic, a magical storm duh.

Honestly, you could just say that you blindly hate the game it'd be more reasonable.

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Is she the strongest touhou?

>>389282004
>You mean the Palace of the Earth Spirits? That's not a smooth transition at all.
Undergound tunnel > Former Hell > Palace in former hell > Burning pits of Hell is actually pretty logical, all things considered.

>So now the problem is not that you need the stage to be a specific location?
It's more like, it needs to feel like a natural extension of the other areas, I suppose. "Gensokyo Skies" is pretty fucking basic, but at least it conveys important ideas through visuals alone and ends in an important location (door to the final area).

>It literally shows you the way to the castle
No it doesn't. It starts in a storm, it ends in a storm with magical circles in the background. They talk about the castle, but you never see the castle from the stage, and you never see the magical storm from inside the castle, it makes the two areas feel unconnected. You don't really get any sense of progression while in the magical storm, and it's not done intentionally like it was in the bamboo forest of the lost.

>Honestly, you could just say that you blindly hate the game
It's in my top 5 2hu games.

Last pity replies that you'll get until you learn how convey your opinions in a non-shitposty way.

>>389282047
Not anymore.

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>>389281275
Factually wrong

>>389282634
>You're opinion is just """shitposty"""
>Le I win pls don't reply

See? this is why nobody likes you.
The Magical Storm is a great transition stage and no matter how much you hate it, it'll never make your opinion on this right.

Honestly though, your biased opinion on those other stages I mentioned is really fucking stupid. I literally mention that they show the same flaws you point out and then you hide behind "muh artsy" "It makes sense to me" "It's not an actual location and your point is right, but I still win haha""

Please, learn how to argue with actual valid evidence and not your vague opinion.

>>389283425
Have you ever considered that bumping with higher quality posts may result in more actual discussion?

>>389283535
Have you considered that bumping a shitty thread like this has no purpose and that all the actual discussion moved to a better place?

>>389283638
We had some fine conversation in here, and we could probably have a bit more.
>and that all the actual discussion moved to a better place?
It almost feel like you're trying to shill that shitty joke general, but that would be silly.

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>>389284196
You sound really butt devasted, especially after losing the only argument we had in your shitty fatchouli tertiary shithole thread

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>>389280507

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Too much patchy.
Marisa is the best girl, she's fast, fun to use, has the best bants, and ain't afraid of nuthin.

>>389285179
Marisa is shit, just like your thread.

>>389280140
MoF is the worst game in the series

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>>389285512
WRONG

>>389285712
The only problem with TD is that is too easy

>>389285712
>Overdrives
Already puts it above Mountain of Everything but Fun Gameplay.

Post your favorite tracks.
https://youtu.be/JLQmiYVomcg

secondaries

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>>389274447
Hey, there aren't any clones in EoSD. Sakuya is completely original, being a maid who throws sharp objects and is in service to a girl with light-colored hair and bat wings.

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>>389277538
Mima
It's probably partially nostalgia, I played the PC-98 games before any of the Windows games (except EoSD, that was my first). I just like her all around, she has a cool design, fun personality, great themes, and a very comfortable shottype in her two playable appearances (or as comfortable as something like PoDD can be considering all its jank)
Mystic Square, closely followed by Subterranean Animism
Honestly a lot of the PC-98 songs are underrated in my opinion, I love the system's soundfont. I'll specifically name Complete Darkness, the tempo shifts make the fight feel dynamic.

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>>389288081
MIMA will never be in a windows game ;_;

EoSD feels the best to play. It has just enough grittyness in the sound effects and art, and none of the gimmicks that are usually little ,ore than distractions.

>>389288846
Of course she'll come back, anon. I bet she'll be in 15.5, I can feel it in my bones.

>>389273229
What are Sanae's Ten Desires?

>>389271386
If you hate weird multi-hair colored generic moetrons, I don't see why you like EoSD's cast anymore than the other games'.

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>>389277538
>Marisa
>I have more reasons than there are stars in the sky.
>PCB
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dEGLq9xAoU

>>389285712
Meme opinion