Why are all stealth franchises dead?

You just can't see em.

>>389266168
Hitman is still alive, no?

No one is taking a chance on anything anymore. All games have become streamlined and we're just waiting for another crash to bring back good games again. EA murdered half of the good franchises and the other studios are only afloat because of drones from their respective consoles. You might even find a few ITT defending the most recent trash released.

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>>389267419

No

>>389266168
Sorry, friend.
Stealth games aren't a genre anymore. They've been reduced to an optional gameplay mechanic in crappy action games. That shows what the industry thinks of stealth games.

>>389267419
>Hitman
>Stealth

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>>389266168
You're talking about pure old fashioned stealth gameplay? It isn't popular anymore because it's too slow, methodical, and unforgiving for anyone that isn't looking for it or used to it. Publishers probably want to retrofit the old stealth genre for the current mass market judging from the resurrected franchises I've seen, but I don't think it's working. For now, you just have to live with forced stealth levels in action games, barely-immersive RPG skills, and optional mechanics in today's "stealth" games.

>>389266168
Hitman:Absolution
Splintercells:rogue agent
Mgsv

Thief/deus ex comes and goes.

>>389269424
>modern "splinter cell"
dead
>metal gear without kojima
dead

>>389269916
That was my point

Styx was alright

>>389270037
oh i thought you were posting recent stealth games to show they aren't dead

>>389266168
todays kids attention span is too low for them to enjoy a stealth game

>>389270198
Yeh, it was Ok. I feel like it was a very good game but somehow it was dull. I think I'm just too old for games now

because theyre painfully boring as fuck

>>389266168
Impatient young negros

The fluidity of action controls really makes it pointless to stealth. We are at a point where a game will be slammed universally if it deviates from the modern control scheme

>>389266168
Because they are missing some of the magic of the original two thief games.
Sprawling levels
Plenty of routes to choose from
Promoting stealth rather than just letting players kick in the door and spray bullets everywhere
A protagonist who is actually likable and not just a brooding archetype and has an actual deep character to them
A protagonist whose voice doesn't have so much gravel that it sounds like they could pave your driveway through speaking alone

>>389270198
Styx master of shadows and shards of darkness are some of my favorite games because they really feel good as stealth games.

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I think it has to do with the unimaginative way these games have been handled in the past years. It goes back to almost all of these games not being able to bring anything new to the table, really. They have had always the same controls, core-mechanics and same way of giving the player variety. There are modern stealth games that are not worse than the classics but they still utilise the same general framework. It would need really innovative ideas to get people interested again.

They can't make them proper open world games with copy pasted content. They actually need proper level design and good ai.

>>389270198

It was, had its heart in the right place too.
Wasn't *good* though.

>>389270872

Add to that the death of systemic gameplay and love of experimentation.
Thi4f was an edge case in how bad it was, but I think it infected most any modern game to a point.

It's hard to make game for a certain now niche profile of players in the generation of game as spectacle, where so many people won't even play a game before looking at a video of someone doing what needs be done. And yet don't want to have to read a game manual to learn basic verbs.

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>>389266168
This generation is full of brainlets who lack the attention span and patience to play a stealth game without getting bored/frustrated and quitting. It's not just in gaming, it's all forms of media. The consumer is getting more impatient by the year and you could argue technology is the cause of it. Having information for anything in mere seconds makes the brain run on auto pilot

>>389274653
Waiting for the enemy movement patterns and then eliminating them with one button press without them having a chance to fight back doesnt sound that intelligent to me. If the game gives me a choice between stealth and shooting I just go always shooting. Why the hell would I essentially SKIP GAMEPLAY by hiding and not using my tools, health and other resources to fight enemies that actually fight back?

>>389275186
You sound like the kind of guy that has only played stealth/action games and not stealth games.

They're niche. I mean there's still like 1 to 4 million of people willing to buy big name stealth games, but the thing is that publishers want way more than that.
Blacklist sold 2 millions in a month, yet it underperformed in sales.
Can't know exact numbers for Hitman TM, but we know it wasn't enough to get Square Enix to run the series. Though SE is universally known for overblown estimations.
With reasonable budget publishers could continue on making "small" profit from stealth games, but they want ten million sales. But they could also invest into something new, that becomes a big hit.

There's still hope for Hitman Season 2 and hopefully Konami continues on making proper MGS after Survive. Also Ubisoft teased new Splinter Cell happening on E3.

>>389275760
Yes because I hate stealth.

>>389276107
That hate seems more based on your incompetence and impatience than the genre.

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>>389276020
>tfw still holding out for Blacklist 2

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>>389276768
>mfw they go full Siege and make full blown Spies vs Mercs game

>>389270468

Pretty much.

Tried to get into Dishonored 2, stale and just boring as fuck to me.

>>389266168
because the industry became too big and the demographic that pay the most money in hate stealth games. anyways they're not completely dead, it's just a very niche genre.

>>389277104
Oh god, you just know someone has suggested that.

>>389266168

I loved blacklist. Panther style was so fucking good, you felt like fucking Jack Bauer.

>>389266168
The Jewish quest for more shekels has led to all stealth games being watered down to appeal to a larger audience.

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>>389278304
More like John Wick. I tried to avoid using M&E, but it looked so damn sweet.

>>389278304
Shame Blacklist's level design was fucking shit. 7th gen consoles really held it back.

Not to mention the writing and voice acting was terrible.

>>389266168
Because all of them got killed by publishers forcing devs to make action games for lowest common denominator.

>>389278928
>the writing
Eh, it was standard 24 tier technobabble and "hurr we're running out of time". Not particularly inspired, but serviceable.
>voice acting
I thought all of them did a good job with what they were given.

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>>389266235
i wish that was the case

The classic stealth games that most of us here can agree are great like thief, hitman or the original splinter cell games are too niche and hardcore for a younger generation with a much shorter attention span, this leads to developers streamlining the classic IPs to gain a greater market share. That in turn alienates the original fanbase and just results in the games being generic messes that can be overlooked due to other games having as deep stealth mechanics but better shooting mechanics for example. Why play the latest splinter cell for example when fallout 4 has just as good stealth these days?

Games are just getting shittier and shittier, it just pisses me off so goddamn much.

>>389275186
Just shut up and go kill yourself you big fat retard, you don't know shit.

>>389278754
>not playing on the highest difficulty
Shameful anon

>>389267707
>No one is taking a chance on anything anymore.
this. All major and somewhat established publishers don't risk it. With mainstream vidya on it's decline, they just want to safely make a quick buck.

Once more independent game devs start getting more proficient, we might see some decent stealth games once 3d indie games become more common.

>>389267707
more like no one cares about going for specific audiences, or it's not allowed anymore internally, and have to make things for general audiences

>>389270675
I was very disappointed by MGSV, but fuck if it wasn't one of the best handling games I've ever played. Never seen a game that combined nearly perfect stealth controls with action controls as good as anything on the market. TPP really perfected what GZ started.

Of all the things that should make a stealth game difficult, controls shouldn't be one of them.

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>>389278304
>>389278754

I've been itching to play a game that lets me feel like john wick since I saw the movie the other day. re-installing Blacklist right now, because that's really the only thing I can think of that's remotely close to that. Gonna play panther style on the hardest difficulty and try to chain shit/smoothly speedrun the levels.

>>389266168
Splinter Cell games are on sale on Stream now if anyone is interested.

>>389267978
Uhhh, does he have fucking hair?

>>389266235
why no one post fpbp yet?

>>389266168
little room for replayability and multiplayer functions, both of which are big draws today.

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>>389266168
Are Velvet Assassin or Splinter Cell: Double Agent (PC version) any good?

>>389281579
Try emulating xbox or ps2 version of DA, it's much better. PC version is buggy and probably won't run on a modern pc without some fan-made fixes. Next-gen version was made by a different team and it shows. Ps2 and xbox version is basically Chaos Theory with a few new features. I loved it.

>>389281830
Are X-Box and PS2 versions the same game? I remember that previous SC games were gimped on PS2/GC and X-Box was the definitive experience.

>>389269257
yeah those instafails when someone found a body in SC were too harsh for normal fags compare that to dishonored

>>389270763
Came to post. That game is gangster as fuck.

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Guess I'll just have to replay this again or something.

Double Agent PC is trash
>>389282103
There's slight differences, but the xbox version is def superior in the graphics department. Alas the xbox was a crap console and no one gives enough shits to make a proper emulator

>>389282103
Almost. I remeber playing xbox version and noticing that it was harder. I think there were less light sources on ps2. Looks a little better too.

>>389282470
>>389282487
Ok then, I guess I'll hook up my good ol' HUEG, burn a Double Agent dvd and have some stealthy fun.

>>389276768
Same, I fucking loved the co-op missions on the hardest difficulties, especially with my dumbass mates we failed again and again but it was still fun. We beat them all in the end. One of the few games I wished had DLC I wanted more of the co-op maps.

>>389282729
That last mission was a pain in the ass on Perfectionist, fun as fuck though. And they even ended it on an exciting note.

>>389266168
>Why are all stealth franchises dead?

Casual fucking shits and a general lack of interest in the genre. Styx is the only one that stands out.

>>389274653
Yeah, it generation thing too. But lately these games have so much free space that it becomes boring to play.
In old days we had small maps with carefully placed enemies and they're behavior. It becomes a puzzle. But in late games it became too primitive.

>>389283149
For me it wasn't too hard cause I had those overpowered SC weapons. Completely broke the games balance by being better than all the other weapons in the game. Hard part was my mates doing dumb shit like shooting out the lights too quickly and setting off the alarms, or throwing the wrong grenades somehow.

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>>389275186
Here's a (you)
Because I refuse to believe anyone is this retarded

>>389266168
They might exists if current developers could ever shit out even a decent story for a game but no they literally cannot write to save their lives.

Any good hidden gems out there? Seems like I have played all the big titles. (Dishonored, Styx, SC, Hitman, Thief)
I haven't played chaos theory in forever and I have it on steam, but I remember the controls being fucking horrendous, is my memory right? Is there any mod support or anything like that for Chaos theory?

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>>389281579
muh waifu.

>>389267978
Yes it is. They're already working on season 2

>>389284714
I had no problems with controls. Changing movement speed mith scroll wheel is actually more precise than using gamepad sticks. Everything else you can map to any key on the keyboard.

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i just want new splinter cell with chaos theory gameplay style ;________;

>>389285347
90% never gonna happen, if the're making a new one, they are probably using the same engine with Sam being the parkour master once again and daytime missions.

>>389283846
Yeah, that SC gear was overpowered as fuck. So was the stealth suit you get from Grim's missions, but at least you had to seriously work to get that.

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>>389282212
pic related is something casuals would never understand.

>>389285791
>Bathhouse 100%
What difficulty and most importantly HOW???

>>389286006
just take it slow anon
>>389285791
did you ever tried to finish bank mission with 4 lvl alarm non lethal?

>>389277104
As much as it would piss me off I would play it

SC games are on sale right now, so knock yourself out

also, GOD DAMN IT, FISHER

>>389266168
Ubijews, that's why.
>>389267419
Square dumped it (with entire studio) like hot garbage that it is.

>>389286006
It was tricky, because you had to throw smoke nades in specific spots when chasing Shetland during the conflict, also there's the duct that leads into that one lobby firefight which u gotta time or else one of the soldiers will spot you even tho he is busy shooting one of shetland's mercs. There's also the part where you are eavesdropping on Shetland's meeting. one of his guards will see you so you gotta back out, out of view. The worst part was the boiler room part which was pretty random and it took me a few tries to get it right.

>>389286256
I never tried that, i always go full ghost, iirc they barricade stuff and wear more armor.

Stealth games are shit anyway. They are always about taking out people rather than sneaking past.

>>389286006
oh and that was on Expert

>>389286705
i know, i love sneak around when everyone is full alert, it's challenging

>>389286756
MGS didn't used to be this way, but the introduction of the tranq gun changed it. Guard placement got a lot more careless and some parts of the later games had parts that were nearly impossible to ghost without memorizing patrol routes.

>>389285584
I really enjoyed the smooth, quick controls in Blacklist. But when Sam jumped up and grabbed a ledge that was about three times his height I laughed. Dude needs to apply for the NBA draft.

>>389286961
Might try that, i'm playing through double agent right now on the OG xbox, never played since i never owned an OG one, did play the pc version and it was mediocre. I like the OG one alot better.

>>389286756
My favourite way to play Chaos Theory is as a ghost, not touching anyone in any way. Unfortunately, this is a bit of a self-imposed rule that occasionally requires breaking the game.

>>389286608
>There's also the part where you are eavesdropping on Shetland's meeting. one of his guards will see you so you gotta back out, out of view.
I've never had that happen.

>>389287498
Did u play on Expert? A guard will see you, because they got nightvision on and a better AI due to the difficulty ofc.

>>389280373

It's really rewarding. You play the stealth way marking your targets, setting traps and suddently you unleash like 5 seconds of 100% calculated death upon your enemies and disapear again with the shadows.

And yeah, it totally feels like John Wick if you go for the Melee kill + multi headshots way,.

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>>389284714
>Any good hidden gems out there?
Pic related. Also if you like Hitman try the death to spies games

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because it went from stealth gameplay to assassin gameplay. even games that reward "true stealth" has systems that reward systematically isolating and killing/knocking out every enemy you can a lot of the time. be it consumable items, ammo, XP or game-specific shit like soldiers to fulton in mgsv or something

just like with survival horror the game changes when being discovered means "shit, no GHOST +500 XP" instead of "shit, time to lube up because this is gonna be hard". let it die and let the suppressed handgun assassin simulators and stealth games come back as properly recognized different genres

>>389282224
Until you get the flamethrower.

>>389287902
wtf I want to replay Blacklist now

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what does /v/ have as their criteria for ghost runs?
I'm the kinda stealth player that if I so much as make them curious about something I did I restart a checkpoint even with something like the OCP in chaos theory.

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>>389290160
ghost runs aren't healthy for me. i restart if i knock over a barrel since i want to truly leave no trace

>>389289128

You know you can play the last Splinter Cell with 100% stealth and 0 deaths, right?

>>389290160
It's not really possible in CT. For example there's one moment in bathhouse. There's a door with a password terminal on it. If you open it and even close the door, the guard will see that it's unlocked. I tried going for a no OCP run because I thought that it's very unrealistic and I shot the light bulbs instead. Some levels for example the last one has cameras that have no blind spots and you have to use OCP. Your level of ghosting is pretty hardcore though. You can't even lure them with a whistle or throw an object to distract them.

>tfw no next gen Grimsdottir

>>389282224
Too spooky for me.

>>389266168
Chaos Theory remaster when? Just upgrade the graphics and release on PC. I want that god mode co-op and vs back, I miss it so much.

>>389293138
The graphics are fine as they are.

>>389267978
Why did you remind me of that abomination?

>>389276020
hitman season 2 IS happening though, it was confirmed by IO.

>>389266168
consoles and casualisation

>blacklist
what went so right /v/? such a fantastic game.

>>389266168
they're too hard to make too easy

>>389295847
It was a linear, story driven game, therefore Ubi couldn't implement their recycled open world formula. And they actually listened to some of the complaints about Conviction.

>>389291609
>tfw very little grim 34

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>>389278754
>More like John Wick.
I hate posts like these.

>>389296281
More like none at all.

>>389295847
>people praising blacklist on /v/
I never thought I'd see that. I like it too, but it's definitely worse than some previous SC games

>>389296723
I thought I saw a couple pics 2 or so years ago
maybe I'm imagining things

>>389295960
>enemy follows set path
>never do complete 180 degree turns
>obnoxiously obvious audio and visual ques
Wow, so hard.

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>>389296719
Brainlet can't enjoy top tier movies huh?

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>>389266168
ITT: Retarded OP makes a thread without knowing shit

http://store.steampowered.com/app/355790/Styx_Shards_of_Darkness/

because normies and casuals don't like stealth gameplay, they don't like slow and methodical gameplay and would rather pew pew pew pew pew pew while they run and duck behind cover. The market killed stealth games just like it killed survivor horror.

>>389296879
>brainlet
The ironing

Guys like you who'd call CAR the "John Wick style" are the true brainlets

Arkham Knight stealth system it's fun.

>>389297263
You're not special for knowing how it's really called, anon.

>>389297039

>i hate turn based combat for the reasons here exposed (lack of action)
>i love stealth games

>>389296823
It's fun. And brought back the mechanics from older games.

So what shouldn't be included in a stealth game?

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Played almost every game except Splinter Cell series. Would you recommend it? I like non-lethal gameplay a lot, with no kills at all. SC has it?
Still, my favourite stealth is Shinobido on PS2. Its flawless stealth game, feels like the chess, where you move your figure and plan your movements. Second is MGS 3, for its gimmicks and features. Dishonored, Deus ex HR, Hitman BM, Thief 1 and MGS V awesome too.

Stealth games aren't dynamic enough.

In games like Splinter Cell and Hitman, you just learn NPC patterns and reload saves until you learn the way to get through an area. They're lame and boring.

>>389298963
Yeah, Chaos Theory is widely considered the GOAT stealth game.

>>389299192
>play in a non-fun way on purpose
>see? it's not fun
really caused me to ponder

>>389266168
Who the fuck wants to be a fucking pussy that crawls through an entire map and clings to the shadows the whole mission when you can be a fucking Chad and run into a room outnumbered 6:1 and kill everybody single handedly?

>>389280427
>>389286369
Which of the ones on sale are worth it?

>>389266168
What are some good and less mainstream stealth games? Also are Absolution and ThiAf really that garbage?

Tenchu status: Dead
Splinter Cell status: Dead
Thief status: That shit is definitely dead

Pure suffering to be a stealth fan in this day and age

>>389302747
I was a newcomer to Thief with no sense of bias to the older titles and even I didn't fucking like the new installment. It was so restrictive and had no replay value. Wasn't even good as a stealth game by itself

>>389302819
I heard Blacklist was alright though.

>>389303008
Yeah, it's good. But it sold less than 2 million across all platforms, according to the "highly realiable" Vgchartz.

So do any of you ever kill nontargets in stealth games or are you full on pacifists/ghosts?

>>389302007
I really wanted to make a virgin walk vs Chad stride of old Sam and nu Sam, but I can't draw for shit.

>>389270198
If any of you guys liked Styx (middle market euro jank) then look into Dark. Its not for everyone but 17 germans in a shed made it so go in with those expectations. Its like 2$ on a steam sale.

>>389270763
I really want it but money

>>389289321
Until the xenomorph decides to just fuck it and charge your ass anyway.

>>389303838
You can only ever get the best rewards if you go full pacifist/ghost.

The biggest reason why I hated Absolution was because as soon as you knock someone unconscious, you immediately get penalized for it.

>>389296983
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbFhFvh9bBE

every. death.

>>389266168
They don't sell enough.

Latest iterations of Hitman, Thief, Splinter Cell and Dishonored sold under expectations.

>>389288458
>Death to Spies
I heard Alekhine's Gun was bad. Any truth to that?

>>389296145
Was there anything redeemable about Conviction at all?

>>389266168

Because they are too hard and niche.

Nu-kiddies don't like challenges or games that require brainpower or skill to beat.

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Hitman is still alive.
Dishonored is still alive.
MGS is... almost alive?
Deus Ex is in hiatus but there's been recent games
FPSs like Wolfenstein TNO and II have stealth as an option
There's also newcomes to the genre like the Styx games, or indie games like Mark of the Ninja.

Stealth games are still there. It's just that Splinter Cell and MGS haven't been able to keep up like they did. Times change, and so do the pinnacles of the genre.

anyone play Aragami yet? Stylish and fun stealth

>>389266168
because most gamers simple aren't good enough. the amount of rage quits i saw in splinter cell blacklist was absolutely astounding. most people are really, really bad at stealth games.

>>389289321
Play on nightmare.

The fuel runs out mighty quick, yessir.

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>>389292910
What's wrong anon

aren't I cuddly?

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>>389266235
fpbp

>>389266168
Because all stealth games now are "You can stealth or play guns blazing, your choice", so if you fail stealth the game just becomes quicker and easier.

>Replace all standard guards with earnest runner gurus
>Have it so instead of them pacing everywhere, they're sprinting
>Make it so the clinking noise of armor attracts guards, but if you're wearing their armor they won't be suspicious
>Make it if you're within enemy sight while disguised, you will have to sprint with them or rouse suspicion the longer you take
>Have guards mock you for your slow running speed, with one incredibly loyal guard supportive instead
>Make it so the clinking of armor from running guards attracts more guards, so guards are constantly running everywhere trying to find the noise
>Make it so you can poison the guards and cause them to become disoriented, arousing suspicion that he may be a spy, thus being executed by trampling
>Make it so you can place caltrops and other traps to slow guards down, or even cause them to attack one another because they're walking
>Have various types of guards: The 100 yard sprinter -- a Guard in light armor which moves in short, incredibly fast bursts
>The Cross-Countryman -- a Guard that will never stop jogging and will be capable of outlasting / catching up to you if caught
>The Olympian -- A barbarian Guard trained from birth to become the mighty bulwark he is today -- The champion who will tail you mercilessly (only one or two in the game)
>The Cramp -- A slow guard that constantly disables himself but is also completely silent except for minor groaning every now and then
>The Flak -- A guard that kicks stones and dirt as he patrols, causing noises to become difficult to decipher and guards to regularly trample through in search of the disturbance
>The Ninja -- A rare Guard spawn on-level with the Olympian that keeps his arms placed behind him to obtain perfect balance and immeasurable speed. While strong, they will strike first before asking questions, allowing thieves to easily trick Ninjas into attacking their fellow guards
>Make it so all combat is done through spiked boots or shin swords

>>389305806
Deus Ex ruined stealth games I tell you.

Now there's always a way to fight it out.

Well, unless you can't kill the enemies, but people bitch about that too so, you can't win no matter which approach you take.

>>389305867
>but if you're wearing their armor they won't be suspicious
this made me think of a problem i've always had with stealth games. why the fuck would it be suspicious to hear footsteps coming from another room, when you're in a building with 50 other guys?

>>389270454
it was just average mate. you probably just have higher expectations because you're an adult (i hope)

>>389306074
Yeah the best way to avoid detection would be to walk at a normal pace without trying to be quiet, so there's no chance of you making odd sounds they wouldn't expect to hear. Unless they assume they're alone, or can see everyone that's supposed to be around, they shouldn't suspect anything.

>>389272783
this. you can make a shitty rpg, shitty action game, shitty side scroller, shitty "retro" title and people will try it. you can't make shitty stealth. It's high risk, low reward.

>>389306074
It depends on the setting. If you're in a highly-secretive facility, most likely guards are heavily tracked to prevent that very thing. Hearing footsteps outside of the assigned number of bodies is an easy way to identify when an intruder is around.

>>389289321
Not on nightmare mode.

>>389266168
>play a non-stealth game
>suddenly a "stealth" section

They're so damn easy i get offended

>>389281361
>>389305710
>>>/reddit/

>>389304034
i'm not going to defend that but it is funny in a sonic edgy kind of way. it would get old though.

>>389304298
The part where Fisher slaps Grim.

>>389279878
>on decline
>gaming is bigger than it has ever been
>esports are growing every year

>>389270872
Hey man gravel is great

>>389306624
Bully triggered me with this.

>>389305806
There can be a choice, but the assault option should be difficult as fuck.

>>389304298
co-op and pvp were excellent, especially the pvp. the third echelon mission, and kobin's mansion sort of felt like the classic games.

>>389266168
Is the newest Hitman worth it?

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Is this a John Wick thread?

>>389311727
I'd say so.

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>>389311828

The dishonored games are great

>>389270763
how good do you have to be micro-ing to play this? im shit at micro but this is exactly the genre that i want minus the real time (wish it was turnbased)

>>389311727
It will be when it's actually finished

>>389270763
FUCK YES! love this game

>>389312393
getting timings correct are needed but there's a pause and execute queued commands feature

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>>389311828
>>389311857

>>389313129
What exactly is he doing at 0:04?

>>389313195
Cocking the gun in the most dumbest way.

>>389304298
The co-op campaign was god tier.

>>389304298
The fap-worthy interrogation of Grim.

The A E S T H E T I C S of the black & white stealth cover system were also pretty neat.

>>389266168
What's the stealthiest of franchises?

>>389313257
He's checking the chamber, not cocking it.

>>389266168
They've become niche, they're not big franchise material anymore but the genre is far from dead

>>389315080
The mission brief projected on walls was really damn cool.

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>>389317641
The game was pretty in black and white

>>389304298
The ending of the co-op campaign

>>389266168
devs are greedy and anything that's not a guaranteed, lowest common denominator blockbuster hit with the broadest audience possible is ignored. funny how console life cycles are the same as they ever were, yet games typical dev cycle is not like 4-5 years. remember when square released 3 full FFs every generation? I miss that.

>>389270763
I want this but it seems pricey and never comes down more than 10 bucks on sale

>>389266168
I'm pretty sure they don't sell well anymore. I'm not sure if it's because of pandering, but I put some of it onto Jade Raymond in regards to Splinter Cell.

Blacklist is only $9 on Steam right now. Is it worth it?

>>389302567
First three (Splinter Cell, Pandora Tomorrow, Chaos Theory) and maybe Blacklist. Ignore Double Agent and Conviction.

>>389266168
Because stealth game take skill most times and modern gamers as well as games journalists have no time to learn the mechanics of a game so anything challenging is bad. It's why walking simulators are so popular.

>>389302819
Dishonored exists. Its stealth is lacking and it's about to go on "hiatus."

>>389311727
Not full price no. Wait for sale

>>389286608
I agree the boiler room was pretty random esp. if you didn't save your sticky shockers and airfoil and it takes a few tries regardless since there's absolutely no way of knowing what are the best spots, pretty lame for a penultimate boss fight-type level. But for the lobby firefight it's better to just not use the duct and take the long way round, they relight the candles anyway so it's not possible not to get spotted there, no need for smoke nades.

>>389273361
>Thief 4
>Uniquely bad
This os why stealth games will never come back. The remaster was no better and no worse than thief 1 and 2 but since people don't have nostalgia goggles on when playing new stealth games they realize just how boring and shitty stealth is as a whole.
Face it, stealth is boring and deserves to be nothing more than an optional meme mechanic in better games. The only reason stealth ever existed was as a crutch for retards who are too stupid to process things that are happening quickly on screen and literally have to retard the pace of the game to a point their small minds can actually keep up with it

>>389322535
>The remaster was no better and no worse than thief 1 and 2
It's worse in every way except graphical fidelity

>>389321052
>Dishonored exists. Its stealth is lacking
Did you try a no-power playthrough?

>>389322535
>The remaster was no better and no worse than thief 1 and 2
>The remaster
>no better and no worse than thief 1 and 2
>The remaster

>>389323039
It's still shit since you have no idea how visible you are.

For a game that claims to be inspired by Thief it sure as fuck does a piss poor imitation.

>>389322535
I'll bet you 5 bucks you're underage.

>>389266168
>>389322535

Dishonored is a stealth franchise. It has essentially taken up the mantle of the thief games.

>>389320678
Pandora Tomorrow isn't available on Steam.

Stealth games are garbage

Payday 2 is pretty fun.

>>389324801
It's simple. Not above the guard? You're visible.

>>389305943
wasn't the whole point of deus ex that you could take different approaches?

>>389320678
Double Agent is good though.

>>389278754
It was John Wick if you went all assault.

>>389285015
Game was okay until it deleted my save

>>389304298
It was a good John Wick game

>>389273361
>Add to that the death of systemic gameplay and love of experimentation.
Spot on.

>Thi4f was an edge case in how bad it was
The problem with Thief 4 was that, in spite of having areas that were enormously large and complex and gorgeous to look at, those areas had so few avenues where the player could actually climb around on and explore/exploit for achieving a goal. Hitman (2016 edition) did well to create a large, complex world where the player was given enormous opportunity to explore and exploit and be creative in his attempt to achieve his goals. Deus Ex: Mankind Divided has much of the same. Thief 5 (if there ever is one) can learn much from those two games. Prerequisite to employment on Thief 5 development should be several full playthroughs of Thief 1 and 2 to remind devs what fun is supposed to play like.

I stealthed my way from the beginning of Morrowind through the end of Skyrim... twice.