Why is self-inserting in vidya frowned upon? Like when there's

I think it's just a backlash against the individuals who throw shade at people who don't play humans.

People being shitty because people were shitty to them.

Western mentality.
Everyone want to be unique snowflake.

It's not frowned upon in the east because their people have cog / ant worker mentality.

>>389251125
People want to a special snowflake troll loli because their only outlet for expression is dumb shit like this and dying their hair, getting tattoos, and piercings, etc.

>>389251125
what a cute snek

>>389251125
because it does take no imagination?

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>>389251125
>Why is self-inserting in vidya frowned upon?
I think that most people just wouldn't care if you self insert or not. Hell, most people do so automatically. Nobody says "You killed Master Chief!" when they get shot in Halo, they claim that they were shot. And, hell, if you enjoy playing a game as Mario or Crash or whoever, why should anyone else care?

As for only RPing, the biggest problem is people who are just using it as an excuse to ERP. There are also people who get annoyed when you waffle around with RP dialogue when they just wanted to play the damn game and visit a dungeon. Most people who RP in a MMO or (worse yet) an online FPS are generally rather bad at it.

>Like when there's a ton of playable races and someone plays as regular Human he's seen as someone with little imagination.
This is something completely different. Most of the time this is just shitposting, like how calling the guy playing the elf gay or the guy playing a dwarf into fat hairy men. There are some smaller groups who are heavy into the escapism element and so dislike people who play "boring" humans, just as there are some groups who are heavy into the "stick with what you know" and treat playing as elves and dragons as special snowflake syndrome.

>Pic unrelated.
Too bad.

>>389251125
Identifying with your character is for fags
default character appearance is the way to go

>>389251125
sneks drinking water are so cute

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>>389251125
Self-inserting is something I really just can't understand.

You are you. Here in this world. The character you play as is someone somewhere else. You have different personalities, you grew up in different places, you have different social relationships and you look different. HOW can you say that "that is me"? It makes no sense. There is clear difference between you here and the character in a game(or any other media).

>but muh blank slates
Okay, it solves the personality problem, but what about all the rest? You can't solve them.

You are you here and you will never be someone else.

there is only one game which achieves true self-inserting and it's pic related. You are not someone else but you rather control something from beyond worlds. And it's just a robot. Everyone knowledges that the robot is not you but rather someone is controlling it from far away. And even when you ARE controlling some other character, it is explained trough in-game mechanics.
There is difference between you here and the characters you control and the game takes full advantage of it.

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>>389251125
Because you should at least be self-inserting as something interesting.

>>389251125
>>389251246
The point of role playing games is to actually role play. So just playing yourself does show a lack of imagination.

The whole appeal is that you can be whoever the fuck you want. I don't know there this lame-brained "the character I make is me" self-insert nonsense came from.

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>>389251125
>one head
what a lame snake

>>389256045
cute snake i hope he doesnt have trouble in life

>>389256212
They get confused sometimes and fight over where to go because they don't have the brainpower to understand they share a body

I'm a human, I represent my kinda.

>>389256045
>>389256245
But who controls the body???

>>389252478
this

Why do some guys strictly play as girls? I understand if its for gameplay reasons since some characters are more comfy to play as than others, but I find it odd, out of personal choice, to always pick a girl. Thats how my tumblr tier brother is anyway. Once in a while I favor a female character like Jill Valentine, but he ALWAYS chooses the female option.

>>389257139
Both of them but only one at a time

>>389251125
The people who want to self insert are often insufferable cunts, that's why.

There's no issue in indulging in it, it's when dumb shit like DmC donte or people complaining that they can't self insert as link because he isnt a girl that people are annoyed by

now post more cute sneks

>>389257405
But how is it decided who controls and when?

>>389257563
Probably by whichever one is more insistent in where it wants to go and is sending more signals to the muscles

>>389257563
The strongest controls the weakest

Because out of the game's immensely broad pool of possibilities for roleplay, you choose to limit yourself exclusively to qualities that you yourself have. You could be playing as a pious knightess, you could be playing as a savage barbarian, you could be a child prodigy wizard or a rebel hunter hiding in the woods, of any race or species, but you choose to just be the faggot behind the keyboard with his preferred costume. It's made even worse when you consider that going outside of your "comfort" zone in these things opens your eyes even further to the plights of differing factions within these games, and if all you do is build "yourself" as the same exact Rogue archetype and join Thieves Guilds and some basic shit like that, you lose out on the majority of the game's content and the work of the devs who add all of these different options for explorative people.

>>389257386
Strictly? I don't know. I do frequently cross play, though, but it depends on the game. If a game has romance, like Mass Effect, then I play as male. If there is really no difference to the gameplay and it's just about looks, then I tend to play female because it's more fun to customize.

>>389251125
It's more like humans are a boring race by default, since creators tend to give them no negatives but no interesting positives either, as well as making the human questline/storylines pretty generic too by making it relate to things in real life, where as other races have unique histories, government, culture, perspective, etc.

>>389257625
I hate Bioware so much, I loved my Ithorian on SWG.

>>389257750
>>389257772
Damn, talk about internal struggles.

>>389251125
I do not self insert but I usually do many playthroughs because I like to see where my own personal decisions bring me, and then try to actually roleplay as a certain character I create or play as.

>>389257625

It's true to an extent. However, humans can empathize on other levels. Which is why stories like fables have resonated throughout the centuries. Transposing human traits like theory of mind, intent-driven behavior and, funny enough, empathy, onto unorthodox characters allows us to connect with them based on actions.

On the other hand, for something truly out there, you'd probably scare away a good deal of the audience. Not everyone is willing to go the extra mile to identify with a floating blob of organs.

>>389257625
There are literally hundreds of films with non-humans as the lead characters.

>>389258317
bet they look like humans though

>>389258317
name 200

>>389257625
People can identify with non-human creatures if human-like personality traits are given to them.

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>>389251265
fuck off
im a chink and im more special snowflake than you

>>389251125
You get to be a human all day everyday, why would you want to be one when you have the option to be something completely different?

>>389257794
Exactly. The few times humans have been given a compelling backstory with their own traits that aren't just "average at everything" I've been happy to play as them. Developers shouldn't treat an entire race like the control group.

>>389254717
Or maybe some people are looking for an immersive experience and find it comes more naturally with a character they can atleast somewhat relate to physically.

I honestly try to make a character with the same body type when its possible, used to try to put a belly on my characters now I try to make them scrawny. Just depends on what shape Im in at the time. I'm still a wizard or whatever within the lore of the game but it makes the connection to my character come much easier. Then I roll fun races on alts.

Also unless you're talking RP servers on an MMO, the roleplaying aspect is one of the least important aspects of an RPG to 90% of people. Most people just want gameplay or fucking around in a community.

>>389257784

Pretty much this.

I suppose to me it is also a sign of lack of empathy. Deciding on a character and its traits means imagining how someone else thinks, trying to think about how this person would respond to each situation. It's a chance to act in a manner you normally wouldn't. To try to see how people different from yourself understand the world. It's an inherently human ability, it's a waste not to use it.

>>389251125
cute doggo

>>389251125
remind me why people hate snakes again

>>389251125
I dm and I joke with my players for playing midgets or knife-ears, but in truth they can bring what they want so long as I see effort and passion put into it while still respecting the setting.

Roleplayers in games, I usually see them erping because that's the hottest new meme, and video games in general arent prepared to let you roleplay. The modern rpg like Fallout 4 has more in common with Uncharted than Fallout 1 when it comes down to how the player treats their avatar.

I will say that I think the vast majority of people arent fit to make characters that are deeper than a surface level. Like most of the avatars you'll see on /v/ will just be sexy (or what the user thinks is sexy) women without a hint of history in their appearance. All that defines them is the looks. They're an elf because those ears do something for the gent that made her. Or they're a dwarf because THICC memes.

So for someone who might love making deep characters, I can imagine when they see all this, it's distasteful. Its distasteful because the drunken dwarf is a memetic character and so is the aloof elf. All the characterization of the original Tolkien races is reduced to easily digestible pornographic or surface-level thoughts.

Elves are made for raping.

Dwarves are manly men.

Humans are common.

Orcs are big, muscled brutes.

Nobody tries to understand the skeleton and muscles, just the skin. Its the same reason Marilyn Monroe is now a symbol. I bet only a handful of your people even have an iota of an idea of just how disturbed she really was.

So to answer your question after a long rant. Its an argument over bias and surface thoughts.

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Post moar snek

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>>389259001
For the same reason people hate crocodiles. They are adorable to look at, but when they bite, it hurts.

>>389259001
Reptiles are shit. barely above fish and insects as far as value. They are literal vacuum cleaners of the animal world. They are not even as intelligent as rats or even mice. They have no feelings, they lay eggs, sex is only a means to an end, and are cold mindless killers. Pathetic creatures really.

>>389257784
Yea all of this would be nice if even 10% of players had this thought process, instead you have a thousand weeaboos playing barbie.

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what a cute little tube

>>389258427
>>389258440
Not gonna do 200 because fuck you, but but on the concept of "giant lizard" and "droid" my immediate thought was Rango and Wall-E.
Many, MANY Disney films have anthros as lead characters, which fits the "giant lizard" archetype, though it might be an anthro fox, or mouse or dog.
I mean, Pixar has a huge film series called Cars where all the characters are literally vehicles.
Their most successful franchise features toys as the main characters.
And what about Monster's Inc? Yeah, Sully and Mike are really human looking.
Bicentenial man, Robots, Short Circuit, the Iron Giant.

Yeah, some of these feature humans too, but many don't and many only have them in relatively minor roles.

>>389259401
why does it have holes on its face

>>389259282
>lol my dog can do backflip it so smart than other animal
Fuck off

>>389259282
Rats can learn their own names

>>389251125
>caring what cuckolds who want to be black or furfags think

>>389259982
not him but reptiles are unable to feel any emotion. No love, appreciation, missing you, etc. They are attracted to warmth and food, that's pretty much it.

>>389259951
animal abuse, someone poked holes in its face because "it looks cute"

>>389254352
Most people aren't creative mate. Self-inserting is a way that they can understand the world without also thinking there's a middleman preventing them from being there.

They cant grasp the concept of the otherself and without a lot of natural empathy, it can be extraordinarily difficult to imagine anothers feelings and thoughts about something else. Now just imagine that person existing in a fantasy world where at any moment a mage might cause the world to end or an elf might shoot you in the throat for threading on a flower. For those people without the edge for characterization, trying to even fathom how another, entirely different person might feel about these things is impossible. Yet, they'll always know what they would feel like. That's why self-inserting exists.

>>389259951
they're pits, they sense heat and help snakes detect prey. Lots of snakes have them

>>389258773
I feel the same way, but I try to make myself look like a better version of myself. I want to play the hero with some fantastic armor. That's part of the role play for me.
Like on ESO, I have several alts with different races, but I don't feel the same connection to my alt Khajit that feel towards my Imperial

>>389259951
They are minor straws

Because everyone is a nigger, dubs

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thicc

>>389259951
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Infrared_sensing_in_snakes

They're heatseeking tools, how cool is that. I had no idea until I looked it up

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>>389260308
OwO
whats dis
*nom*

>>389251125
It's a sign of autism.

>>389251125
Why the fuck would I want to play as myself when i'm garbage?

>>389257784
>Wanting to explore a game as yourself
>Limiting yourself

I would rather feel that I am immersed in a strange fantasy world and explore it as myself than pretend I am a lizard or some such shit, it ruins immersion. Not my fault that I am comfortable with myself.

>>389258565
But that toaster has little nubs for arms, big cartoon eyes and a mouth. Imagine playing Mass Effect as a Hanar. It would fucking suck because they have to explain their emotions constantly and don't have any expression

>>389251125
>Say self insert
>Really mean player made characters
Why does this happen? A self insert is literally a character made to resemble yourself as much as possible, you don't have to make yourself but people still call them self inserts?

>>389260139
Same, back when GW2 launched I made a Sylvari and just couldn't connect with it like my human elementalist or my human hunter.

I want to roleplay in a world with ogres and alien races, but not be part of those races.

>>389256245
if he slit his throat, would it be suicide AND a murder ?

>>389260849

That's a matter of developing cues for the player.