JUST

>>389247891
43mh/s at 130W

>amd blower
vrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr

>>389247891
aesthetic af

>>389248049
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u5YJsMaT_AE

>>389248195
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xlQokQsbKlc

>>389248105
I really like how it looks, but god is it a disappointment..

>>389247891
wipe your arse on it and bin it,

>>389247891
POO

Did you seriously expect AMD to not be utter shit?

>>389250623
afaik the vega series isnt utter shit tho

>>389248785
>>389248195
glad i replaced the blower on my 290 reference with an aftermarket. I heard the reference cards got better after the 290/390 series though, cause nvidias were shit too

>>389251407
>18 months late
>matches a GP104 at best
>while being the size of GP102
>150W more power draw
It is the definition of shit.

>>389251480
>price of vega series is less than the part they are trying to (and actually are) competing against
>HBM memory
>150W more power draw when its only like 40W more at most depending on what the comparison is (56 vs 1070 or 64 vs 1080)
senpai, it's a pretty strong competitor and the benchmarks all look very solid, it's not shit no matter how hard you want it to be.

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>mfw ryzen+nvidia masterrace

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>>389252027
this

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>>389252013
>price of vega series is less than the part they are trying to (and actually are) competing against
Yeah, by about 50$. That's how much you save for worse support and more heat/power draw.
>HBM memory
HBM buzzword? Memory is memory, ultimately it doesn't matter if the performance is similar.
>150W more power draw when its only like 40W more at most depending on what the comparison is (56 vs 1070 or 64 vs 1080)
Pic related

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>already bought a 1070 for $350 a week before Vega came out

>/v/ suddenly prefers NVIDIA over AMD
What happened?

>>389252474
All the AMD shills went to /g/

From what I read, you can get 56, flash it with 64's bios, undervolt and then overclock. You will get around 1080 performance for $100 less. But you obviously taking risk doing all this shit, could get unlucky with silicon lottery and power usage would probably be still on the level of 1080 or more.

Media still saying that this is so good for mining. What they don't consider is the price of etherium is going down slowly. Even if it stabilizes at $300 per 1 ether, you will need more than 250 days to break even on the GPU, more on the complete set-up. Likely is 450 days to 600 days to break even altogether. Other crypto is on the same boat with just slight above and below that ROI. This sucks for bitcoin mining. Buying this for mining is literally for the stupid and hodlers but even that means you're stupid.

And you will not get this at $399, you will get this around $500.

>>389252474
we prefer AMD as a company but they have nothing for the high end.
No one is going to pay hundreds of dollars on a bad product out of pity.
Nvidia are scummy but they have what's good right now.

It's different for CPUs though, I switched from Intel because AMD actually delivered great products, up until then you just had to deal with Intel's shady practices because they were literally the only ones that mattered for at least 5 years.

>>389252474
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BdwUsalwBJ8

>>389247891
>You can flash a 56 with a 64 bios to make it run at 1080 levels
It's basically amd's titan. Overpriced when compared to next tier "down".

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>>389252308
>Yeah, by about 50$. That's how much you save for worse support and more heat/power draw.
>worse support
the fuck

I'll give it for heat but these are also reference cards so I'm not sure.

>memory is memory
HBM has no advantage over GDDR5? Is that what you're saying? Are you fucking stupid?

as for power, you're right on the 64, I was reading the ti as not being there for some reason, but the 56 is still pretty solid on power consumption.

>>389252584
I thought mining was a meme that was losing steam.

>>389252474
Vega happened.

how do you even fucking keep up with this shit and know which ones are good
i need to replace my gpu from 2010 and this industry is so shit
im afraid to even ask

>>389252768
Mainstream media is outdated for at least 2 months on anycrypto news so they are still in the "mining hype" phrase and the people that listens to them are still getting lured to mining even though just a quick research will show them that it's a losing proposition.

>>389252729
The 1080ti with it's GDDR5x actually has higher memory bandwidth than the vega

>>389247891
Why is that video card so angry?

>>389252474
We prefer best price for performance ratio cards. Sometimes its AMD, sometimes Nvidia. Also none of us want to go deaf using the new AMD cards, so waiting for an after market on a "maybe" card doesn't sound promising.

>>389252474
/v/ always prefer what's good for gaming. Even Ryzen has mixed-results here as AMD anything fucking sucks for emulators. Vega literally is dead at launch for gaming when 1070/1080/1080ti exist. Price surge also does not help and fucking stupid miners.

>>389252880
I subscribe to a few youtubers who actually benchmark shit properly and aren't massive shills, then I look up benchmarks on Tom's Hardware are the like to make sure I get a good idea of what performance I can expect for my budget.
Hardware Unboxed is a pretty good channel, he does a lot of apple to apple comparisons and benchmarks going as far as to test different memory configurations and a few community rumors (e.g how much RAM speed affects performance on ryzen etc)

You don't need to keep up with everything happening in the industry or know the specifics of the GPU under the hood, just keep in mind the real world game performance, temps and energy usage. Keep it simple.

>>389252993
Cause it's one of AMD's biggest failures.

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>spend ludicrous amounts of money on card
>literally nothing new that demands such power to play

>>389253172
What you should do is pool all of their benchmarks, average them out and remove the extreme outliers.

Their rig does not have the bloat of everyday use and AMD/invidia gives them the best chips.

>>389253171
Ryzen has decent enough IPC that it is fine for emulation, it's just not the best because of single core performance and frequency limitations.
So the 7700k is still the go-to chip for Cemu, but anything under that is perfectly playable on weak CPUs anyway.

Because I upgraded from an i5 3570k my Cemu performance was actually better on the Ryzen 1600, so it seems like a very specific discussion.
If you're choosing a new chip, Wii U/PS3 emulation seems like a small portion of what you'll use it for, and if you already have a more recent Intel chip you won't want to upgrade just yet anyway.

>>389252880
>>389253172
Digital Foundry has some of the best vids imo.

>>389252953
They have basically equivalent bandwidth, while HBM can achieve higher because of how it's made

>>389253351
>complains about power consumption
>doesn't even run pc or games 24/7
>most of time is just spent on shitposting

>>389253546
List me 5 good new pc exclusives that need top of the line GPU's to play.

>>389252474
I can tolerate Ryzen shittery, even though it's objectively losing in gaming applications to a similarly priced jewtel cpus in 9 cases out of 10, at least it doesn't lose by much and it's better for general workload, and it's more stable, and there's a tiny possibility that devs will start optimizing for it so maybe it will be more like 5 out of 10 later, but Vega is legit garbage right now and by the time prices will stabilize we will have 1100 series that are guaranteed to shit on Vega due to the fact it took them so long.

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>>389248785

>>389252308
476 watts seriously

If you want temp/throttling issues, buy these founders cards.

>>389253456
It seems more than fine lately been playing demons souls at a solid framrate with only minor drops ib certain spots. I havent played with cemu at all though

>>389253858
Ryzen is legit better than Intel unless money is not a factor at all. I have an i5 but I bought it when AMD were making shit CPUs, if I were building a computer now I'd buy an r5 1600 in a heartbeat. Intel CPUs have been nothing but housefires with 2% performance improvements for way too long now. It's kinda the opposite in GPUs however, Nvidia actually makes new and improved tech while AMD threw out a bunch of rebrandeons and no enthusiast competition for a year before whatever the fuck Vega is supposed to be.

>1070 performance but hotter and consumes more watts
AMD everyone

>>389254138
If you know how to delid, intel fucks over Ryzen. Too bad intel is too jewish.

>>389252013
>had to use ultra expensive HBM2 memories to barely catch up with a gpu that uses GDDR5X
>thinks that's a good thing

are you stupid?

>>389254138
even Intel's new shit is garbage, X-series were disasters and Coffee lake will be a disaster from the looks of it to.

I was not a believer, I was sure Intel would have something to counter Ryzen as soon as it was released.
I was so sure they would have been working on something all that time and were just avoiding releasing it early to maximize profits.
I was wrong.

While AMD was designing a whole new CPU architecture Intel was implementing DRM to keep 4k Netflix a Kaby Lake+windows 10 exclusive and shilling Optane.

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>>389248195

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>>389252027
Yep

>>389254385
http://graphicscardhub.com/gddr5-vs-gddr5x-vs-hbm-vs-hbm2/

>GDDR5X is twice as fast as the normal GDDR5 memory and can achieve speeds in range of 10 – 14 Gbps. In future the memory speed of 16 Gbps can be made possible for GDDR5X. Currently GDDR5X memory is manufactured by Micron.

>The operating speed of HBM memory is 1 Gbps but its memory bandwidth is much higher compared to GDDR5 memory. This is because of its much wider memory bus. The memory bandwidth of HBM memory can go as high as 128 GB/s per stack.

senpai what?

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>Sell 2 year old R9 390 for 250€ because miners
>Buy Vega 56 for 409€ MSRP
>Flash 64 BIOS onto 56 to remove power limit
>Watercool & overclock to 1700mhz

>>389253172
its fucking hopeless they review a new one like every two weeks

>>389254995
>for 409€ MSRP
lol

>>389247891
>falling for the AMD meme

>>389248785
>video card with water cooling
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBmcduZtDgY
>>389254410
Engineers have been explaining for years how Intel was running into physical limitations on improvement. The only reason they were able to profiteer was because AMD hadn't caught up. Now they're catching up and prices reflect that.

>>389247891
this isnt video games
shitpost on /g/

>>389252474
AMD is a better company but their products and support are ass

>>389247891
amd...just stick to the cpus man

>>389255005
they probably review different brands, each brand (MSI, EVGA, ASUS, etc) makes their own coolers for each card that's released.

Just realize AMD and Nvidia generally release new cards once a year and they don't always matter because rebrands.

>>389255092
Video cards aren't video games like consoles aren't video games. The console isn't the game! It's just the hardware games are played with! So fuck off with console war threads.

>>389255147
Then how are they a better company?

>>389253172
>I subscribe to a few youtubers who actually benchmark shit properly and aren't massive shills
>watches the ultimate Australian shitposting AMD shill
(lol

>>389255264
he has done a bunch of pro nvidia stuff, he made a video debunking that nvidia was gimping ryzen performance for instance.

>>389255046
not difficult if you set alarms to be notified when they are in stock.

>>389255343
>a bunch
(lol

He always goes out of his way to shit on Nvidia and especially Intel

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>>389247891
>Vega 56 undervolt
>higher Firestrike score than 1080
>cheaper than 1080
and that without finished driver. Primitive Shaders are disabled. Expect a HYUGE performane increase in following months

>>389247953
uhm, no sweetie, it's 43memes/s @ 260W. dont rely on WCCtech as a source

>also: Tech discussion on /v/
like how many of you redditors understand anything about GPU's?

>>389255472
well he's not doing a very good job because I still bought nvidia.

>>389255354
unless you have a bot, good luck.

>>389255249
Their CPUs don't require delidding and an aftermarket cooler.

>>389255548
When I ordered my 56 on Friday it was in stock for over an hour.
Saw 64 in stock for 509€ on Saturday and the deal was around for a while, too. Almost bought it but then decided it's not worth the extra money over a 56.

>>389252027
but nvidia runs awful with ryzen

>>389255773
So they's only better in making less fragile products is what you're saying.

>>389252474
Because NVIDIA is currently better.

>>389255857
debunked ages ago.

>tfw ryzen 1600 + r9 290

fuck intel and fuck nvidia and fuck amd new graphics cards

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>>389255514
>Primitive Shaders are disabled.
When are they going to enable them? It's not very helpful if they're enabled 6 months later when nvidia have or are about to release their new GPU line and they get better performance anyway

>>389256032
just wait

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>>389256032
>When are they going to enable them?
we don't know. AMD's priority is Prosumer/Workstation driver, it's enabled there benchmarks show their Frontier Edition (~1000€) butchers Nvidia's goddamn Quadro P6000 (~5000€) in most workstation applications or at least be on par. this arch is a damn monster only hold back by a bunch of underpaid,stinky poo's

>>389255857
>but nvidia runs awful with ryzen
no it does no, check pic related. Intel's i5 Stutterlake™ shits itself with both RX 480 & GTX1060 while being more expensive, in need of a delidd to hit 5Ghz on a dead Platform (covfefe-lake needs a new chipset). remember their K-models need a Z170/270 chipset ONLY to be able to overclock.

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>>389255906
Intel is pretty much shipping defective products nowadays. Even if Intel was faster, you really have to ask yourself if it's worth the hassle. >>389254138
Ryzen is trash at VM's compared to Intel especially GPU passthrough but that's a pretty niche market. Everything else is fine though.

>>389252474
Honestly, my next build will be Nvidia, and I say that as someone with an R9 Fury.
AMD just cannot compete outside of the budget GPU market anymore.
Only reason I have this Fury is because I got it for a bargain bin price ($250).

>>389258118
>Intel is pretty much shipping defective products nowadays.
>look at the stickers on my laptop
>"intel core i7"
ruh roh.

>Card is shit in games
>People sperg how its shit in general

How about you fucks get a job in 3D then we will talk, not everyone is a neet playing games 24/7

>>389248785
MOM

TURN OFF THE VACUUM

>>389259232
Mobile is where Intel spent most of their money, they completely whomped AMD in laptops and low power for years. It's their desktop and workstation CPU's that are complete housefires due to TIM and an out of spec IHS..

>tfw Ryzen 7 1700 + GTX 1080

Feels fucking good man. Even better that i got a cheap GTX 1080 for a price of a 1060 because it was used and people were scared it was a trap but it actually was a working 1080.

>>389259318
>Complains about people playing games on /v/
CUDA has basically won anyway, unlike the server market where companies were begging for Epyc to be good, people are fine with Nvidia/CUDA, no one gives a shit about OpenCL.