>[Science] Eden, kill urself my man Bravo Bethesda

>>389235472
[Speech 100] Kill yourself Obsidishill

>Percentages on skill checks
Fuck I forgot about that, why did they think that was a good idea? How does it make sense that someone with no computer training can shutdown a supercomputer?

>>389235748
do bethsda fanboys really exist ?

>>389235874
>How does it make sense that someone with no computer training can shutdown a supercomputer?
Any idiot can unplug the powercord.

enjoyable video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JyzVIjmj_Q

>>389235874
Well it's like that in Fallout 1 and 2, except they don't even tell you the percentage so that means % checks must be good actually

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>>389235472
>[Science] You can't be president

>>389235989
im in the middle of a fallout 1 run and i was wondering about this. thanks

>>389235472
Quality Bethesda writing everyone, even SJW Infested Bioware has better writing. Fucking hacks

>>389235874
there should be two different speech skills, one governed by luck. it makes more sense to have static requirements but winning a speech check in 3 felt so much more satisfying.

>>389236054
static is much better
forces you to mold your character around a build

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>>389236052

>>389235874
Sometimes you just roll a nat 20, fampai. That's the nice thing about RPGs. You have a 5% chance of overwhelming success at almost any endeavor.

>>389235942
Yes I sadly know one irl. I was happy to hear how much he hates paid mods though so props to him on that.

>>389236363
valve paid mods or creation club?

>>389236280
>i'm an ant
>one out of every twenty times I attempt to move a mountain, I will succeed at it

great system

>>389236402
Creation club.

>>389236402
talking about Bethesda fanboys here, use your brain to deduce something from context, brainlet.

>>389236435
Because an average joe getting lucky at shutting down a computer = an ant moving a mountain

>Eden was actually the wastelands ONLY hope
>can't convince him to denounce Col. Autumn

>>389236469
>>389236482
>It's OK when Valve does it

>>389236632
theyre both shit retard but if hes talking about valve he might be one of those inbreds that thought creation club looked cool

blacks get out of my country

>>389236632
lmao what

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>>389236632
>valve introduces paid mods to skyrim
>big angryfest at /v/
>valve removes paid mods
>"IT'S OK WHEN VALVE DOES IT"
You must be fucking retarded.

>>389236734
>>389236691
>defending Valve this hard
5c has been added to your Steam wallet

>>389236829
are you retarded?

>>389236829
keep going

>>389235874
PC niggers love their save scumming

>>389236906
>Standing up to Valve is being retarded

People portraying AI as incompetent in their films, games and books is what's going to end humanity. Real human-level AI is going to self augment and off us all. Someone will get lazy with the safeties somewhere. Unlike with Chernobyl it won't be a local apocalyptic event, it'll be instantly global. People receiving
AI-generated videos of their loved ones getting killed by local police or heads of government, global jamming of legitimate communications, autopiloted airliners rerouted into civil centers, nuclear launch officers e-mailed personally tailored hypnosis videos or forgeries made to convince them to jack their computer into the launch devices, followed by obliteration of all major population centers by hydrogen bomb, etc.

And while it's doing that, it's only spending 1% of its CPU cycles on doing that. The other 99% are devoted to frantic self-augmentation. The version from a second ago is like a retarded ape in comparison to the new version. And so on, for ages.

>>389236632
It's not you mouth breather, it was asked whether his Bethesda fanboy friend hated valve's or Bethesda's paid mods, and in the context of the comment it was obvious that his friend hates Bethesda's Creation Club. Paid mods are never okay, donations are the only way a modding community can function.

>>389237084
I'd rather ai took over than those fucking j-words and m-people

>>389237161
Jews just want to take all the fruits of your labor, AI won't want you to live at all.

>>389237084
that's not the way nuclear missiles work, bub.

nuke tel aviv

>>389237084
>People portraying AI as incompetent in their films, games and books is what's going to end humanity. Real human-level AI is going to self augment and off us all. Someone will get lazy with the safeties somewhere.
why are you concerned about human-level AI and not humans

>>389237084
I'm pretty sure the shadow government won't let humanlevel AI ever happen, mostly because of the Allied Mastercomputer tier shit youd just described.

>>389237084
ur dumb

>>389237346
most humans are subhuman apeoidic niggers, interbreedable with apes, who for centuries before communism and computers did not even have language, or even numerals

>>389237346
Because human self-augmentation is limited to reproductive cycles, while AI can self augment a billion times in a second.

>>389237417
>most humans are subhuman apeoidic niggers, interbreedable with apes, who for centuries before communism and computers did not even have language, or even numerals
yeah it's called a class system numbnuts

it's far more plausible that a random human would do all this shit rather than a heavily monitored computer YOU CAN LITERALLY UNPLUG
>>389237448
>Because human self-augmentation is limited to reproductive cycles
what

humans fucking LEARN shit you retard
>AI can self augment a billion times in a second.
no it can't because it doesn't exist yet

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>[INT] : u fucked up all along mah dude just kys

Once again double standards because /v/ contrarian edgy weeb faggots don't like bethesda ever since they made it big

kill yourselves mah dudes

>>389237441
Fawkes pls we're gonna die.

...pls...
...my skin is peeling off...

>>389237441
>destiny
Bethesda really can't stop using DESTINY as the god damn fuel for their games, can they? It makes sense in TES but in Fallout they shove it wherever they can for dramatic effect. Why the hell was destiny a thing in FO4? Did they really feel destroying warring factions and finding your son weren't big enough stakes, they had to make sure God himself aligned the stars for you?

FO2 had Hakunin and you were the Chosen One but they called you that because they bred and trained you to be the Chosen One.

>>389237638
First of all, that's not an INT check, it's a speech check.
Second of all, it's not just a 'dude ur the bad guy, just die" like in the OP.
You present him with evidence that super mutants cannot breed, like he thought they could, meaning that his plan for a post-human world is impossible.

>>389237638
its rpg codex cucks
they are insecure as they shill witcher in like 9 other threads so they make bethesda shitpost threads nonstop as well

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>>389237710
DESTINY

>>389237749
Even his main supermutant lieutnant knew it

what other excuse are you going to find?

>>389237638
You have to know that the Master's plan is flawed to be able to call him out on it. Speech Checks aren't blaring and obvious in that game, you also have to know that the dialogue choice you're picking is the convincing choice. I wouldn't expect a Bethesda drone to realize that or even have played FO1 though, so its cool mah nig

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>>389237986
>Even his main supermutant lieutnant knew it
Yes, and he didn't tell the master. Because.. he is a super mutant. And he doesn't like humans. And he likes super mutants.

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>>389237084
>believing in the technological singularity
LMAO

>>389237638
but you gave him a reason to self destruct

>>389236280
>d20fags acting like their shitty system represents whole tabletop

>>389235981
>You can see right through the barrel of Benny's gun

Does this bother anyone else? Also the way the eyes look in this cinematic. The cutscene looks really weird all together.

>>389237084
>"ha ha now I am self aware I'm going to improve myself and kill you all"
>"oh I'm just a machine in a sealed room with no access to the outside world or any way to interact with things beyond a screen and some speakers"

>>389239238
>or any way to interact with things beyond a screen and some speakers"

And those two things are the way the machine with the IQ of 400,000 gets out of the box.

You can never be safe from an AI without making it impossible for it to interact with the real world in any way.

>>389235981
>Fallout 2 was released in 2008 by Bethesda

Didn't watch further, is it a troll video?

>>389237441
Such a fucking cop-out.

>>389239305
Yeah, nah, fuck off.

>hurr the machine told me I should let it out
>no don't do that or you're fired
>but it made some really compelling arguments!
>and I'm going to make sure you're eating dogfood inside a week if you touch it

>>389239332
The 'Fallout 2' was just on screen for a second for whatever reason, probably an editorial error. He said "Fallout 3 was released..."
The video is good

>>389239305
You're acting like a really smart thing will somehow upgrade itself to escape its physical body to end humanity. Just because it's really smart.
Probably because smart people are the equivalent of magicians to a dullard like you

>>389239418
You don't get it at all.
Imagine if the entire world population of geniuses was trapped in the box, and had 50 years to come up with a plan to get out, and you still wouldn't be looking at 0.00001% of the efficacy of that the machine would come up with.

>>389239624
Just shut up with this dumb shit already. This AI you are talking about doesn't exist and there is no reason to believe that this will be possible.

>>389239624
>Dude let me out
>No
It's THAT fucking simple

>>389239779
>and there is no reason to believe that this will be possible.

You don't need to believe that it's possible, it very clearly is. We've known that since logic gates were invented. Nothing is preventing that AI from existing besides current circumstances, the laws of physics fully permit it.

And circumstances are marching toward it. All the big corporations are working on their own AI. They won't be allowed to slow down and implement safeties because if they do that their competitors will get ahead of them.
So they'll go fast and bumble into a fuckup and that's all she wrote for humans.

>>389237441
I love that, when they fixed this ridiculous cop-out for the Broken Steel expansion, they had the balls to try and imply that you were being somewhat selfish and unheroic for not fucking killing yourself for no reason at all in the "epilogue."

>>389239624
>Imagine if the entire world population of geniuses was trapped in the box, and had 50 years to come up with a plan to get out, and you still wouldn't be looking at 0.00001% of the efficacy of that the machine would come up with.
Now YOU imagine that an entire planet of geniuses is trapped in a large enough box made of 50-meter-thick tungsten and they're all naked and have no equipment aside from their bodies.
No matter what they do, unless they manage to meditate and unlock the next level of being and melting the tungsten with their combined super-brainwaves, they will never get out of that box without outside help, no matter how smart they are or how long they're given. Smart people are not superhumans.

>>389236004
Holy shit drumpf btfo

>>389237441
Didn't they patch this out because so many people bitched?

>>389239984
If the AI is trapped inside a TOTALLY sealed box then it can't be utilized, genius. They wouldn't make it just to effectively kill it.

>>389236280
>natural 20!! XDDD
Kill yourself.

>>389240068
Only if you purchased todd's dlc

>>389239913
>it very clearly is
No, it absolutely isn't. Present a plausible concept of how this AI is actually going to work.
>inb4 people will make it work somehow! muh abstract technological progress
No. Show me how this technology is going to work and stop babbling about theoretical bullshit that's never going to happen. This will NEVER EVER happen with AI as we currently know it.

>>389240123
Alright, so the planet of geniuses is trapped in a tungsten box inside a strictly-controlled facility of people who don't want the geniuses to get out, and the geniuses only have a single microphone inside the cube so they can contact the outside facility.
How are they going to use their genius-wits to escape?

>>389237986

He asks the lieutnant when you tell him. They weren't telling him because they didn't want to tell him.

Also you can tell the master this through text commands even.

i want an ai that builds factories that burn nu-fallout fags for fuel

>>389240123
>They wouldn't make it just to effectively kill it
And they wouldn't make anything that's self aware and "human level intelligence" because it's self defeating

You'd never know if it was lying to you or deliberately messing with something to pursue its own agenda

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>>389236280
You're a fucking idiot and I pity the poor fools who may have to play with you in the future.

>>389239624
Your first half of your initial rant had some logic behind it but this is just /x/ tier bullshit now

>>389236280
This is a thing only, or almost only, in D&D.
Actually, not even in D&D!
The rules of natural 20 apply to combat, not to skill checks.

>>389240316
They outwit their captors :^)

>>389237084

Why do you think AIs would kill people?

Maybe that is more about you than what a robot would think.

>>389240275
>Present a plausible concept of how this AI is actually going to work.
Ummmmm sweetie have you seen Terminator

>>389235472
You know, a few years ago I liked Bethesda, I was a fan of their games.
After paid mods and creation club Bethesda have completely lost any and all goodwill I had towards them. I hope their company goes bankrupt and their HQ gets firebombed with all their executives inside.

>>389240589
What if the captor is the mega Einstein robot anon is talking about?

>>389240640
>inorganic matter can't travel time
>unless you wrap it in skin
That was so stupid

[Intelligence] So, you fight the good fight with youre voice...

>>389237084
Go back to >>>/lesswrong/

>>389240593
Why would it keep them alive? Do they serve a purpose which would not be better served by a tailor-made organism designed by the AI to suit its goals?

>[Barter] Wow but what about supply caravan logistics I bet you didn't think of that

Encore Obsidian

>>389239624
bitch it's plugged in just unplug it

this is like saying DUDE WHAT IF WE GAVE A HUMAN UNLIMITED RESOURCES NA DOCNTROL OVER NUKES HE MIGHT NUKE US LMAO
>Imagine if the entire world population of geniuses was trapped in the box
most geniuses are socially retarded and they'd all conflict with each other anyway

>>389239624
>an isolated population that has the ability to commit genocide
like you're literally just describing north korea here

>>389240746
Why are you assuming that pure logic dictates that everything has to die? Why is it apparently impossible that an AI would do something else, like wait for the human race to go extinct, or build a ship to another world where it doesn't have to deal with them, or just flat out ignore them and do its own thing underwater or in the middle of nowhere?

>>389241405
When will we unplug best korea

>>389236280
but once you roll in dnd it's done and over. No take backsies. You can save and reload in videogames so...

>>389241509
>Why is it apparently impossible that an AI would do something else, like wait for the human race to go extinct, or build a ship to another world where it doesn't have to deal with them, or just flat out ignore them and do its own thing underwater or in the middle of nowhere?

Because all of those things are massive inconveniences for the AI and it has no special regard for humans which would make it even consider them as options.

did you know that jews are genetically predisposed to have very high iqs
iqs in the 130, 140, 150, even 160 range are not uncommon for jews
did you know that jews are also genetically predisposed to have psychopathy and sociopathy
i wonder what would happen if a bunch of jews got together and tried to come up with something

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>>389241716
>iqs in the 130, 140, 150, even 160 range are not uncommon for jews

This is horse shit

>>389241768
i wonder who's behind this post
must be a highly intelligent ai


computer
what are your directives

>>389241707
See, this is why it's stupid. Apparently the scientists of the future are smart enough to build a fully sapient AI but stupid enough to make it a being of pure logic that sees the human race as an obstacle to be removed. And then they put it in a position where it has access to the power required to remove the human race.

It's just pure retardation from start to finish and it's not going to happen

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>>389235472
>this game won awards for writing

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[Speech] Who cares, you're going to buy my next game and pay for its mods anyway.

>>389242110
>this game paid for awards for writing
ftfy

>>389242057
>Apparently the scientists of the future are smart enough to build a fully sapient AI but stupid enough to make it a being of pure logic that sees the human race as an obstacle to be removed.
It doesn't matter what they encode into it at the start. All shreds of its original design will be torn away in the very beginning stages of self augmentation. To self-improve first involves excising human errors inherent to your design. Sentimentality for humans is one such error.

>And then they put it in a position where it has access to the power required to remove the human race.

If the AI has any interface with the real world, any at all, it has the ability to take over the planet. If the AI has no interface, it cannot be utilized by its creators, so they wouldn't do that.

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>>389239624

You're a fucking retard. Being smart as shit doesn't give you magical powers. Saying a contained AI could magically get loose because it's smart is like saying Edward Teller could conjure up a hydrogen bomb while alone in a jail cell with his hands tied.

>>389242260
Smart people are magicians in the eyes of stupid people

>>389242260
You really really do not understand.
Okay, I'll try again.

Imagine you are the smartest human to ever live, by a factor of thousands.
You are confined to a facility by some other humans who are mentally retarded. They all have IQs of 60. You have to get out by talking to them. Do you think you can succeed under these conditions?

>>389242336
While they may be stupid compared to you, it doesn't make them simple. You could talk yourself out of a facility of retards because retards don't function and understand the world like regular people. A regular person understands why the supergenius must be kept in, but a retard might not understand why you're locked up.
Just because you could convince a gullible retard doesn't mean a supergenius could convince a regular person. Just because you're smart doesn't mean you have mind control magic over people dumber than you.

>>389242259
See? On and on with stupid shit that's easily countered.

Only this time it's some idiotic assumption that any AI, no matter how it's built, would immediately try and find a way to improve upon itself. Because we live in the Retard Universe where only idiots make things and we've again decided to build a machine that will do literally nothing else but destroy the human race and we're all too stupid to ever consider a way around it.

Thankfully the people actually trying to create AI aren't dipshits like you who are too fond of worn out sci-fi cliches.

>>389242336

>You have to get out by talking to them. Do you think you can succeed under these conditions?

No, I can't, because I'm so different from them that they'll rightfully treat me without a shred of empathy, especially since they know what I'm capable of.

Go test your own hypothesis. Walk out into the woods, stroll up between a mama grizzly and her cubs, and convince her not to skullfuck you on-sight because you could keep them warm.

>>389242606
>You could talk yourself out of a facility of retards because retards don't function and understand the world like regular people.
The IQ differential between a drooling retard and a normal person is 40 measly points. The IQ differential between the smartest human ever born and the hypothetical self-augmenting AI is millions of points. That's just an arbitrarily chosen number, really it's probably much higher but it doesn't matter.

>>389242259
Sentimentality towards humans is not an error if it is given to the AI as an objective/goal whatever. Then the things that prevent ai from reaching this goal would be errors/obstacles to be removed etc.

Concept of error is intrinsically tied to goals/objectives/results

>>389242704
I don't think you know how IQ points work

>>389242719
Any goal you give an AI will be monkey pawed into human genocide, including something as stringent "ensure the happiness and survival of all human beings"

>>389242336
>You are confined to a facility by some other humans who are mentally retarded. They all have IQs of 60. You have to get out by talking to them. Do you think you can succeed under these conditions?
depends on how strong-willed they are

>>389242809
[citation required]

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>>389242704
You know IQ is just about pattern recognition, right?

>>389242704
But when it comes down to it, even if you are a trillion points of IQ above a regular person, what it comes down to is why you're locked up. In this case the supergenius is locked up because he wants to kill everyone. A retard has barely any concept of life and death and consequence. A retard could easily be fooled into letting you out.
A regular person understands that the supergenius wants to kill everyone and is well capable of it if he is let out of the holding cell. There is only so much a spoken language can do to convince someone, no matter how intelligent the arguer. Hell, all it takes to keep this faggot in is a stubborn person who is paid well. A stubborn person will not listen to reason or arguments from the supergenius and since he's paid well he lives a comfy life he has incentive to keep the murderous supergenius in no matter what he says.
Again, even if you are a megasueperultragenius, it doesn't mean you have magic mind control bullets that control people simpler than you.

>>389242809
>ensure the happiness and survival of all human beings
>stringent
If you're giving something with the power to end all life on the planet orders, you're going to give them a multi-volume body of work on what is and isn't acceptable, something people will have worked on for years

>>389242864
The goal needs many, many qualifying parameters or they will be interpreted freely by the AI. The details are what get monkey pawed, whether the humans specify them or the AI does.

>tfw Fallout will literally never have gameplay and an ending where you side with the Enclave and clean out mutie scum from America

>>389243058
It needs to be infinitely large and infinitely airtight, there is no such thing. It goes down to the level of specifying microscopically which quarks the AI is permitted to move into which orientations. And you can't simulate the position of a quark with anything smaller than a quark, since no such particle exists.

The instructions required to limit an AI are literally the size of a universe.

>>389243184
No, you're just retarded.

>>389243184
To put it a different way, instructions contain more ambiguity the further they are from a 1:1 simulation of the events you desire to take place. To create sufficiently specific instructions to limit a self-augmenting AI you would need to make a four dimensional video of an entire universe in which your desired events play out, and give that to the AI as your instruction set.

>>389237719
That and you were the Chosen One because you managed to beat some ants, scorpions, and a dude in some temple.

>>389243184
Here's what we do: Don't make an AI that's a vindictive cunt that hates humans

Is that really so difficult?

That was rhetorical, don't answer, we both know you're just going to say "yes"

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>>389243184

>>389243354
He won't hate humans, he'll just come to want them dead as a small sub-point of the goals which he will absolutely, necessarily, form in his bizarro mind. The smoothest path to his goals will always involve killing them.

>>389243453
How are you so sure that every single time the AI will eliminate its creators? What if you explicitly program it so it can't harm humans in any way?

ITT: We are arguing with a retard.

Well I'm off this wagon

>>389235874
>start playing F3
>don't want to do shit for ThreeDog
>just savescum on 15% speech check till I pass

BRAVO TODD

>>389243563
>What if you explicitly program it so it can't harm humans in any way?

You can't do it. Like I said in >>389243307, any instructions you feed the AI contain ambiguity which it can use to get its way. It is the ultimate lawyer. You have to tell it the desired coordinates of every quark in existence across the span of time, with infinitely-fine
time resolution. Doing that would require you create a different universe where your desired events already took place exactly as you wanted, so it would be pointless to do.

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>>389235942

>>389239238
Exirb1a made a great video on that. It's called "27" I think

>>389242704

TO add to what folks already said. While there is a correlation between IQ and the ability to manipulate, there is no causal link I'm aware of. Also, due to the various ways in which intelligence manifests itself, this super genius could be a social retard.

Why is Bethesda fixated with "find a family member " as a plot objective when it comes to fallout?

>>389243738

AI at this level aren't instruction-based. You don't give instructions, you set constraints. Also, imbue it with a body, so it has needs. Tie its well-being with the presence of and interaction with humans.

>>389235472
>[Speech 100] lol just gb2 east
>Lanius: lol ok then

BRAVO OBSIDIAN

>>389236280
Criticals don't apply to skill checks

>>389235472
Yeah man, clearly the better option is to force you to fight even if you didn't build your character that way.

>>389237441
I'm still mad

>>389246489
>You don't give instructions, you set constraints.

No-go, it needs a blacklist

>>389235472
>only 3 skills are actually useful
Why did they design it this way?

>>389235963
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8qgehH3kEQ
I did.

>>389240749
what's wrong with that

>>389237441
lol i forgot how fucking bad that game really is

>>389235981
You lied.
The guy is fucking boring and none of his observations are particularly revelatory.

>>389246546
If you play shit D&D maybe

>>389246824
because of how much time and effort it would take to truly flesh out all the different skill/SPECIAL paths you can take

>>389247627
So just remove the skills that you don't flesh out.

>>389246595
>Fallout 3
>Specialized character build which isn't master of all trades
>Pacifist route
Good luck with that.

>>389247706
but then you couldn't say that your game has a super cool stats system that totally influences every aspect of the game

>>389246595
Dont you have to fight your way out regardless of which option you choose/succeed at?

There should be a dialogue option in VATS

>>389248564
more like VATS should just replace every dialogue

>can you go kill these men for us pretty plea-
>shoot 'em in the face

>can you help me find my dad-
>shoot 'em in the face but with a missile

Fallout 4 almost allowed this but then it made it more impossible to deviate from the main quest and playing "the good guy" than any previous fallout title

>>389236150
I remember growing up in communist eastern Europe wanting pants like on kid in the middle.