Why

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>>389227049

Gaming became mainstream. AAA gaming.

>>389227049
Being a nerd became cool.

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>>389227049
>>389227193
>>389227268

BECAUSE FUCKING MONEY!

Why is it cool? BECAUSE MONEY!
Why is it corrupt? BECAUSE MONEY!
Why is it mainstream? BECAUSE MONEY!


Video games are our generations cinema or radio or telephone. Where older generations collect tickets or pass out infront of the TV ours stays up playing games. And its a massive fucking money maker and generally everyone in our generation enjoys it. So of course they're going to try to reach as much people as possible, put forth no fucking effort and try to milk everyone for cash.

How can greed motivate people to create shitty games that don't sell?

Take off the nostalgia goggles gramps, if you took them off you'd see that games back then were just as shitty today, if not worse

>>389227783
Not saying they were perfect but they gave people hope that games would continue to improve rather than regress like they have today.

>>389227783
Underage detected

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>>389227049
Console tech got better, visuals got better.
But it got more expensive as a result.
Devs also wanted the prestige of Hollywood so they started trying to imitate it.
Obviously, resources aren't unlimted, so they had to cut back on gameplay mechanics for visual fidelity.

This is an oversimplification, but that IS a major factor. Not the only one, but a major one.
Also, see pic related.

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>>389227695

PATH OF LEAST RESISTANCE and the fact that they attempt manufacturing methods in an artistic field which is entertainment....its sad that I hate saying " artistic ", because post modern soiled that word. Consider the following, FALLOUT 4 is fucking shit, BUT it is an okayish time waster and something to fiddle with. That combined with a wall of marketing and media exposure it sells.

>>389227049
>What the fuck happened between then and now?

DLC.

The reason why we never got TimeSplitters 4 was because the devs took a proof-of-concept version to the publisher and they were told "it had too much content, and if we gave people a game that was complete then they wouldn't buy the DLC" [paraphrasing], so the game was cancelled.

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>>389227783
the graphics of new games today got worse from what i thought would have progressed i hate the smooth look of them like its not made right. games like stalker actually have real graphics but all american games usually have shit graphics but they look good but they arent good.

>>389227049
money corrupts humans.always. deal with it!

>>389227049
What happened is the same thing that happened to movies: Analytics and focus groups. Everything is designed for mass appeal and formulated based on demographic. Anything risky is frowned upon and scrapped for the safe option instead. The media you consume is no longer a labor of love, but a work for profit.

And it's only going to get worse since today's children are going to grow up thinking its normal for their media to be created with computer algorithms.

>nowadays

Buncha newfags who don't remember the shitshow that the indistry was pre-NES

>a game that expects you to have IQ higher than potato
anon stuff like that doesn't sell

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>>389227193
>Gaming wasn't mainstream in the 90s

>>389229685
when did movies suffer the same thing as video games?

>>389229862
Look at how Warner Bros handles their DC movies. Look at how derivative The Force Awakens was, and how absolute shit like the Transformers movies get trilogy after trilogy because they tick the right boxes without being any good.

>>389229810
>the shitshow that the indistry was pre-NES
almost nonexistant and totally irrelevant?

All that needs to happen for this to be fixed is a bunch of investors getting scammed for millions by developers pitching them an idea that won't sell, but looks like it will sell.

>>389229862
Movies were propaganda pieces to begin with.
The difference was that video games were infiltrated around 2007 (according to anectdotal accounts from anons who claims to be game devs).

>>389227049
Games became expensive enough that you now needed (((them))) to finance the project instead of just burrowing some money from your wealthy uncle who is a successful doctor or lawyer.

>>389229824
It wasn't. Gaming was actually more mainstream in the 70s and 80s than in the 90s.

>>389227695
Financial success comes from selling a lot of copies, which means you must appeal to the largest audience possible. The larger the audience the less they have in common, which forces you to appeal to the absolute lowest common of denominators.

>>389230852
>which means you must appeal to the largest audience possible.
In any business, 20% of customers are responsible for 80% of the profit. Going wide doesn't work.

>>389230852
>gaming was more mainstream in the 70s and 80s than in the 90s

Source?

I mean I kind of believe it but it seems baffling to me.

>>389231017
Well, consoles were being shat out left and right during the 70s. This led to the american game crash of 83.
I think games became more mainstream when PlayStation came to the scene - Especially with Sony's push for cinematic experiences.

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>>389227049
A bunch of optimists saw there was some quick bucks to be made, and that there's a lot of unknowing parents who just buy shit games for their kiddos because they don't know any better.

The game industry got too big for its own good. And with it comes all the casual normies who buy shit games so studios keep making them. So all the greedy business men who don't care about games but want big money came along.

>>389231369
*opportunity

Dangit bobbeh autocorrect

>>389231543
Opportunists

autocorrect why u do this to me

Shut up. I liked new Thief.

>>389231810
That's fine if you're ok with admitting that you're basically a shiteating pleb. That game is bad. Real bad.

>>389227049
What the fuck? It's just capitalism. What do you think would happen? People want to make money and that's it.

>>389227695
because shareholders dont know shit about the stuff they invest in

they only care about being in the black

>>389227049
A lot of factors.
Right now it's really easy to market to and monetize normies.
Normies have shit taste, are easily deceived by quantity of marketing and all have the same skill as DSP.
Additionally the general makeup of the industry doesn’t support good devs strongly.

>>389232225
>Normies have shit taste, are easily deceived by quantity of marketing and all have the same skill as DSP.
this
fucking this

>have friend pissed off about WWII having black female nazis, censored swa- blah blah blah etc etc
>basically against EVERYTHING activision is doing about its historical revision
>PREORDERED because "its boots on the ground anon! its just like older cod"
>also thinking about preordering dissapointment2 but on fence

we need another hitler

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>>389227049
Gaming grew up, like every other medium, and became all about money. A lot of people say 'Oh, it's just nostalgia, old games were no different' but it's not true. If you go back now and play a game made around 2000 or before, even if you've never played it before, you'll feel something different. Games had life in them, personality, soul, whatever you want to call it. It's a tangible thing. As well as being far more creative and having thought put into their design. Now it's all about higher texture resolutions, cinematic experiences, and making money.

Happened to movies, music, anime, even literature. The bigger the medium gets, the more generic and lifeless it becomes.

Here's a fun little game: Name a successful movie released this year that isn't capeshit.

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>>389232421
>The bigger the medium gets, the more generic and lifeless it becomes.
GDQ

it was all downhill when they banned 2whos

>>389232041
Because some cuck contrarian from /v/ said so? Kys, faggot. It has awesome atmosphere, great stealth and that unique sneakebthief gameplay, you dumb cuck

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>>389232514
>It has awesome atmosphere, great stealth and that unique sneakebthief gameplay
no
no it didnt

go back to buying DLC

>>389232514
Because everyone says so. The game flopped for a reason, you inbred retard. You may have shit taste and like it, but saying it's anywhere near close to the first two games in design is factually incorrect, but you're probably too young to see it.

>>389232514
>sneakebthief

Now I know this is satire.

>>389232514
>cuck contrarian
Except everyone disliked Thief. Even the bottomfeeding reviewers that can't play games weren't comfortable giving it great scores.

>>389227613
Pretty much this.
A better question is, which form of entertainment is as of yet untouched by the corruption?

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>>389232514
Ironically, this poster is a perfect example of why videogames have gone to shit.

People love to blame the devs (and rightfully so, it is at least 50% their fault) but the truth is, the modern gamer doesn't really want a good game. They want to follow quest markers, watch cutscenes and get epic loot.

You make a modern gamer play Thief 1 or 2, and they'll literally see nothing good about it.

The age of digital sales completely detached game quality from game sales. Pre-order culture, shitty dlc and microtransaction practices and any other problems could all be solved if you fought for your RIGHTS OF FIRST SALE. Enabling no questions asked refunds and SECOND HAND SALES will balance the market by letting the marjet forces of supply and demand into ajd industry with endless supply. EU already ruled on it but never enforced it. Fight for your right of FIRST SALE

>>389232681
>anime + jap games
because normies cant be assed to learn weeb

and i hate to say this
>lets plays

>>389232421
gaming's always been about money. up until recently gaming has been seen as a) for kids and b) to make money. The only thing that's changed is they realized they can squeeze more money out of adults.

>>389232607
> Because everyone says so.
Hahahahahaha
Definition of a dumb sheep who obey to mass opinion. Go give 1 on metacritic to Order 1886 you walking waste of air.

>>389232421
>Here's a fun little game: Name a successful movie released this year that isn't capeshit.
Get Out?

>>389232763
Anime is in a worst state than the western film industry, and that's saying something.

Weeb games... Eh. I'm tempted to look at Final Fantasy XV or Nier: Automata with the open world flavour of the month bullshit that shits up both games, along with other things.

They're not AS fucked as the west, but they're on their way.

>>389232727
>Enabling no questions asked refunds and SECOND HAND SALES
BUT THINK OF BIG PUBLISHER ANON

and besides you think anyone rally up to protest let alone SAVE AAA projects from shareholders who push deadlines and say "fuck it ship it anyway" like ubisoft did with R6 siege?

hell people are PRAISING ubisoft for fixing their broken ass game that they shit out and paid full price for

>>389232574
Go back to hanging yourself, kiddo>>389232607
> young
31. Older twice than you, piece of contrarian shit you worthless scum

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>>389232789
>he thinks order is worth more than a 1

>>389232879
>contrarian
>general opinion is it was a shit game

maybe if you stopped choking on dick all day you would learn the meaning behind words you use

>>389232774
Nah. Of course it always was driven by money, but now, it's all about the money. You hear about business models, prices, DLC before you even play the game.

The difference is, before, games were made by people who enjoyed the industry (before nerd/alt culture was popularized and made desirable) for people who enjoyed the industry. Now they're made by people who didn't grow up with videogames, for literally everyone, including mostly people who want to turn off their brain and follow quest markers.

>>389232720
This so fucking much.

Look at the comments of this video and despair.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jPqwDGXxLhU

>>389232931
> he """""""played"""""" it on YT
> he's pc only cuckold with no life whatsoever
Go play undertale, scum

>>389232879
>older twice than you
>accuses me of being a contrarian whilst praising a nearly universally hated game

I'm not even sure what to make of you anymore. Go take your meds.

>>389233001
Faaaaaag, your mother should jump from the roof and land on your dumb worthless head

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>>389233082
>dont say shit about ownership of console vs PC

>y-yeah.....we-well YOURT JUST A PEESEEKEK
aww how cute

>>389233162
Modern gamers, everyone.

>>389233095>>389233001
Samefaggin' is real. /v/irgin faggot kys

>>389233202
So you're not "modern" gamer? Are you outdated faggot then?

>>389230475
I was a gaming journalist at the time. There was DEFINITELY a "political infiltration" of the industry that was going on by the end of that decade, maybe sooner.

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>>389233356
> I was a gaming journalist

>>389233356
oh you poor SOB

>>389233356
Proofs?

>>389227049
Much like this board the industry got flooded by shit-eaters with awful taste.

People who will lap up anything as long as it's "trendy".

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>>389227783
I'm playing Thief Gold right now and it's the most engaging and exhilarating bideo gaem I've played this year. I'm only a bit more than halfway through it and I already can't wait to get started on the Metal Age.

Last night I stayed up until 4:30 AM stealing the Eye from the chapel. Holy shit, what a ride. It was such a hair raising master stroke that I was ready for the game to end then and there. But oh no, that was just the plot twist and it kicked me right into the next one. I didn't think I would care about the story so much, but it's just something else, my man. You are missing out.

>>389233880
Metal Age is even better anon. Enjoy, you only get to play it through once.

>>389232681
Anything illegal.

>>389232681
chess

Simple advice
Avoid western games
Go for Japanese and Eastern European games.

Be wary of indie games. Don't disregard them entirely, but be informed.

>>389233880
after you finish Metal Age, do fan missions
some of them are better than anything in Deadly Shadows

>>389232514
either memepost or underage

>>389232794
lol you fuckin serious with this?

is the dark mod good

>>389227049
What's the best way to play the Thief games on Windows 7?

>>389237153
Just get them on Steam or GOG and install TFix for Thief Gold or Tafferpatcher for Thief 2 to get NewDark in them.

>>389232727
this

The bigger your budget, the less risks you can take.

When you are beholden to shareholders, there's no room for auteur contorl.ac

>>389227049
>weren't doing it to appeal to shareholders.
What the fuck happened between then and now?

well...shareholders I guess

>>389232763
weeb games are the most panderous, exploitative, low-quality, low-effort, garbage imaginable

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>>389240229
upvoted

>>389227049

Too many factors to mention.

The appeal changed though, and it isn't as profitable to market to core gamers as it once used to be.

So, now the attention has shifted towards more global inclusion and the younger generations taking over.

People who aren't core gamers aren't likely to devote the same amount of time investment in challenging games and are more prone to be less critical of games generally. Some of the reasons to 'why' at least, AAA gaming has become more streamlined.

>>389232727
underrated

>>389232421

I agree partially with this. Most game studios seem to run like factory assembly lines. The work environment is generally poor. People are getting overworked and underpaid which only seems to benefit the upper business management.

Glassdoor gives a slight insight into how some of the more acclaimed studios operate.

>>389227049

Looking Glass closed. Pure and simple. They made Ultima Underworld, they made System Shock, they made Thief: The Dark Project and Thief 2... Some of the greatest games of all time...

And they went broke.

Right after they made Thief 2 (in my opinion, the greatest game ever, either that or Thief 1)

Bullfrog went under, Maxis died a slow death, Valve ended up making more money selling games then making them, Ion storm burnt out, the team who made Doom had all left Id by the end of the 90s, Ken Levine decided to nuke Irrational, Rare got bought out by Microsoft and the entire team that made the Nintendo classics left, Origin were fucked over by EA...

The list goes on.

It is fucking depressing though

>>389241236
>Ken Levine decided to nuke Irrational

That wasn't entirely his fault. Take2 gave him an ultimatum, if I recall correctly.

>>389242052

Fair point. Still depressing.

>>389227049
Money.

That happened.

>>389232681
Books.

>>389230852
>Games became expensive enough that you now needed (((them))) to finance the project instead of just burrowing some money from your wealthy uncle who is a successful doctor or lawyer.
Winner here.
Truth is, some dudebros in a garage could still make the game of the year, perhaps at the cost of lower technical graphic gimmicks and no voice acting. It's just not in the current mores anymore, not just in vidya but in all the "tech" jobs that were new 20 years ago but have fossilized very quickly. Programmers want the easy-but-slavish corporate life and health insurance and all that stuff.

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>>389227049
>Thief had ladders, climbable ropes, sound and light detecting AI in 1998
>Bethesda still can't even program ladders into their games to this day

>>389232421
gaming isn't about money, money is about money and games just need more money these days to live up to the standards of polish. You're not going to invest dozens of millions of dollars into something that's not almost assured to be profitable.

>>389240463
He's not wrong.

>>389232421
I don't watch movies. This isn't /tv/. Prove your point with video games instead.

>>389234774
Fuck off Prey, Deus EX MD, Hitman 2016, Dishonored 2 was good

>>389227049
You used to get by with 1 guy in each department. Now everything is done in 'teams.' Teams of grovelling retards just trying to make a living rarely innovate as much as one or 5 dedicated geniuses do. Indie games now cannot afford to put in the effort because they will almost never compete with AAA because teams have the advantage of marketing and publisher support. Back then, AAA games could be made with an indie sizes team. Not anymore. The time spent on graphics, demo reels, cgi, huge amounts of mindless content, has a lot to do with it.

>>389227049
Because entrepreneurs can take risks and fat jewish bastards who make a living trading stocks are nothing but parasites who contribute nothing.
it may have been all about the money the whole time but leeches latched on to vidya because they saw it as profitable and now milk it using antiquated marketing techniques.

>>389244959
This. Development teams for Triple A gaming used to be 30 individuals. Now, gaming teams are hundreds of people. And it's harder to start a smaller studio because people you'd hire want Triple A gaming money

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>>389227049
Thief 2 bankrupted LGS.
Making games as intricate and smart as Thief and System Shock makes them less appealing to a wider audience who are too lazy to get invested in a game.

As the industry expanded this wider audience became too powerful for publishers to ignore and so they refuse to fund experimental and tightly focused games, instead they favour bland broad game experiences that appeal to the most people.
That's why you always see games advertised as letting you 'do things your own way'.
It means that you don't need to learn the way the game works. It means that they didn't want to restrict the player to immerse them.

>>389244959

Publishers also likely impose certain creative restrictions.

There's a diagram that describes and details the design thinking behind AAA development, wherein 10% of the game is allowed to attempt/introduce something new.

>>389227049
suits learned that videogames can give you 1000% returns if it's a hit
so they try to do what business usually does - copy each other
so we have what we have right now, suits haven't wise up yet give generation or two for reestablishment of the niches and lesser mass market pursuit
bethesda , SQ(sort of) going in niche direction which is good
give me 100 niches than one AAA multibillion budget bullshit game that nobody will buy

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So /v/, what is the most butcher game by modern AAA gaming?

>>389245961
>Thief 2 bankrupted LGS.
wasn't it a flight sim? they simply overextended
thief 2 sold well for a time as far as I remember, these thing were popular back then

>>389247969
Thi4f

>>389247969
the what?

>>389232681
Literature, but only by virtue of being so ubiquitous and thousands of years old, so you can pick something from the past century or the centuries before that.

>>389248202
thi4f was perfect thi3f sequel gameplay wise and if you disable all the bullshit abilities
story was terrible beyond measure

>>389248280
you don't know much about literature do you?

>>389248324
Wat. In Thi4f you spend half of the game locked in a loot picking up animation. They added back in "rope arrows" which are literally like 5x more limiting than even the climbing gloves were and every level is tiny but instead of a fog loading zone like Thi3f you have to do a QTE. Also the game has fucking garbo sound design and the only thing that makes sound when you walk on it is shards of broken glass.

Thi3f was bad but Thi4f is so, so much worse.