Why hasn't any online card game surpassed MtG yet?

fuck off back to /tg/ you stinky day nerd

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>>389213673
Because although Magic has not been good for over a decade, it has a long history before that to draw upon that contains a level of complexity not present in other games.

>>389213673
Hearthstone already has.

Land cards are what ruin magic on a fundimental level. It's a layer of completely uninteractive RNG that can fuck you by giving you dead draws in multiple ways, either too many or too few.

>>389214191
>It's a layer of completely uninteractive RNG that can fuck you
yeah hearthstone doesnt have any of that

>>389214191
You can't be serious
Lands give some more depth to deck construction. Linear mana addition like in Hearthstone just makes classes with mana acceleration like Druid absurdly powerful. Not to mention I've yet to see a card game with more RNG than Hearthstone

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>>389214191
>lands hard
>me want innervate jade idol instead!

WotC deserves nothing after killing off Kaijudo.

>>389214191
>complains about rng in magic
>plays hearthstone
what did he mean by this?

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>>389214191
>RNG is bad
>So that's why I play HS

Planeswalkers and the Jacetice League killed Magic.

>>389213673
Physical games are always going to be superior because you can cheat at them.

It's impossible to stack the deck or pull underhanded tricks in Hearthstone. You're at the mercy of the RNG instead. I like real life card games because I can always tilt a game in my favor by playing outside the rules.

If the other player gets upset, he is worse than a loser because he's not willing to play outside the rules to find a path to victory.

>>389215075
WotC deciding that ONLY new players are the ones who matter when designing cards is what killed Magic.

Nobody gets to feel bad about their Craw Wurms getting Terror'd anymore so answers got removed and braindead over-effective creatures became the norm. It's not a game of multiple small edges anymore, just a big flashy mongo faceroll.

>>389213673
Elder Scrolls Legends is nice

>>389215075
mythics are worse than either of those

>>389213673
Because Artifact hasn't been released yet.

>>389215671
Hi Todd

>>389213673
>cards where you NEED to sleeve them to play
What a shit idea.
But I guess that's mostly what M:tG is these days.

>>389214191
>hates rng
>plays hearthstone, the biggest online rng fuckfest

good bait friend

>>389215430
the game you are describing never existed.

MTG was "Combo bullshit" for the first 3 years, and then quickly became degenerate in other ways.

the first time Magic was like what your describing was fucking Alara.

because none of them have implemented an effective priority system, and to a lesser extent they are afraid of essential mechanics such as discard that casuals think is unfun because some meany thoughseized their 5 card combo

>>389213673
the ptcgo client is infinitely better than the stupid Parcheesi bullshit that is modo

>>389214191
Hearthstone is insanely more RNG than MTG.

in older formats there are decks that play nothing but lands, Hearthstone couldn't even fucking begin to have an inkling of how much more complex MTG is over it.

>>389216298
>trying to deny that MtG become go into the redzone and pass
Spotted the catered Timmy. Don't worry, that mean old Counterspell won't stop your Shivan Dragon anymore!

>>389215790
the chase rare of the last couple of sets have been Rare's and the Walkers have been consistantly garbage with the lone exception of Gideon Ally of Zendikar (and somewhat New chandra).

>>389216570
we just came out of multiple standard formats with combo kills as the tier 1 big dick decks.

you don't know fucking shit.

>>389214191

This is the worst opinion I've seen in some time.

Gwent has superior breasts

>>389216671
>can't tell control apart from combo
ME WAN SMASH SMASH. ME PAY FIVE DOLLAR FOR DRAGON.

>>389216831
Rally the Ancestors and Cat Combo were Combo decks.

same with Jeskai Acendency

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What do you fetch?

>>389214191
>Lands ruin Magic

Literally every person who is bad at MtG make this claim and prove they have zero understanding on why the game continues to be the best TCG to exist.

Magic is literally too complex a game to accurately and efficiently translate to programming.

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>>389214191

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>>389213932

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what does /v/ think of this game

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Storm 1

>>389216958
be playing grixis, the correct answer in commander is Reianimate, buried alive, animate dead.

buried alive getting Kiki Jiki and one of the creatures that combos with him, and then animating dead one and reanimating the other.

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>Make a breddy gud horror/gothic setting
>Shit on it with Eldrazi

>>389216958
Reiterate
Reset
Lightning Bolt
gg ez

>>389217396
I mean't Exhume not animate dead, shits an enchantment.

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>>389217386
ya rite

>>389216228
Why would you ever, ever play without sleeves?

>>389217405
innistrad? more like innatrash
eldrazi made it better

>>389217405
Anon, how else will Jace come save the plane if we don't have the Eldrazi?

>>389217582
>Not double sleeving

>>389217574
storm count 2

>>389217574
>countering ponder
>against storm
>thinking this means anything.

MtG is pretty shit though, standard hasn't been fun since zendikar and the only fun formats are vintage, legacy and a minuscule number of modern metagames, not including the current one.

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>>389217574
Force your force.

>tfw no one plays Pauper

its fun

>>389217728
Name a better card game

>>389217806
netrunner

>>389217728
Commander is pretty fun.

>>389217736
you would absolutely NOT force their force in this situation.

>>389217841
never heard of it

>>389217012
As a limited player, fuck getting mana-flooded or mana-screwed. There's very few ways to deal with it unless you draft around it, and decks that draft around it too hard run the risk of passing good cards. In Sealed? Forget about it m8, 100% luck.

Every other format though I agree with you. Mana bases, land-to-curve ratio, why you have what lands and for what reasons, all that bullshit is mighty fucking important.

But it can get to bullshit levels of absurdity in Limited, where you're forced to use a majority of basic lands.

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>>389217736
I bet you force tutors too.

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>>389217806
Not better or worse, but lately I've been playing alot of YGO and Fire Emblem cipher because matches go by fast. Helps our group also likes Fire Emblem. Too bad all the MtGfags moved away, so my decks kinda sitting there collecting dust. Still better than that trash-fire of FoW, inspite of being a decent game, but that's that.

>>389217862
>situation
>a single ponder without knowing boardstate, contents of hand or opponent card count

Tell me more, Master Strategist

>>389217582
Because you just started and don't want to spend another $5 on sleeves for the shit deck you own? The whole point of Magic, at least it used to be, was that you just needed the cards and could play the game how you wanted.

>>389218071
>Play a luck of the draw format
>dont expect to get screwed
What really blows is mythic rarity and the fact wizards actively goes out of there way to put junk rares in packs for limited, despite the fact it hurts limited a lot.

>>389218190
>at least it used to be
Yes and that's nearing 30 years ago, anon.

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post your commander(s) nerds

>>389217752
pauper is legacy lite and it's great

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>>389218132
>Boardstate
>in Storm

>>389218132
If they waste a force on a cantrip, they wasted a force, you don't spend 2 cards to counter their self imposed card disadvantage, you hold your force until they cast their core spells.

>>389217752
Isn't pauper a pretty degenerate format nowadays? I remember storm blue, reanimator and infect being all the only viable decks with some absurd cost of entry due to a couple out of print commons on MTGO.

>>389218547
They banned the problem cards, specifically cloud of fairies, though they then allowed peregrine drake with eternal masters, but quickly banned it too since it was pretty much cloud of fairies.

>>389218232
I didn't say I didn't expect to get screwed. I said there's very little you can do about it. Mana weave after sleeving up, do a few 8-pile shuffles, shuffle some more, and pray.

I also agree with you entirety. The fact that I first-pick common removal at least once per draft over some shits-and-giggles rare that Wizards decided to cook up kinda sucks. Then again, now that I'm getting into EDH I am starting to exist why junk rares also exist.

The solution is for WotC to do draft boosters with no basic lands, no rules cards, and some selective editing. But that's work.

>>389218431
>playing storm like a control deck
Kitchen table, pls

>>389218547

Its a fucking grindfest that you win if you can outgrind your opponent.

Dont let people fool you with "It has combo!, Tron, and aggro!" .

Its a combo deck that outgrinds you with card draw and life, its a tron deck that outgrinds you with card draw and life, its an aggro deck that outgrinds you with resilent dudes that also draw card and sometimes gain life.

>>389218728
mana weaving is absolutely fucking pointless.

you shuffle and then you bridge and then you shuffle.

"unrandomizing" your deck ALA Mana-weaving is redundent if you are going to shuffle.

>>389218246
Fuck. I got into it with 4th edition right out of high school, too.

>>389218847
>bridge

That degenerate card-wrecking shit aside, it's helpful for my own fucking sanity. At least I feel like I tried to get a good spread of lands. I can't blame me if I get screwed/flooded after I weave. Unless I fucked up land composition, but with how much it fucking frustrates me already and how easy it is to do mathematically I have the composition covered.

>>389213673
WOTC holds a lot of copyrights, so it's very difficult to compete. Hell, they're tried to copyright very unreasonable things too (and failed thank goodness).

Eternal the Card Game does.
Mainly because it's entirely free, can be played through steam or on your phone, and is a MtG clone.
Did I mention it's also free? You get cards thrown at you left and right and since it connects to mobile devices too, finding a player to fight against literally takes less than 10 seconds.

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>Find a new group to play MtG with
>They ask me what decks I run
>Mention I run Donate, 8rack, Beholder, Burn, Merfolk, and Dredge
>Suddenly everyone too busy to play
It's not me right? It's not me.

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>>389216958
Peer Through Depths
Reach Through Mists
Sift Through Sands

>>389219134
>did I mention it's free
Loving
Every
Laugh

>>389217574
>using force of will on a ponder
What?

>>389219178
>Can buy packs with money
>Same packs can be bought with gold
>Gold tossed at you for doing literally anything
>This excludes the free decks you get for doing the campaign
>Also the weekly free theme deck
>Also the 5 free packs a day for just playing
>And the free packs you get for doing the AI fighting

Not to mention most people aren't familiar with the game itself so dominating people is easy and hilariously fun.

>>389218801
>pitching a potential storm enabler just to counter a pointless counter

>>389219101
Do yourself a favor and learn how to shuffle a deck properly. Save everyone a massive headache.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxJubaijQbI

If you have sleeves, you can just do the mash-together method as well.

>>389219417
>Save everyone a massive headache
Who am I hurting during that period prior to round 1 where everyone is sleeving and shuffling anyways? Or that time between rounds where I'm waiting for people to report?

>>389219134
>look it up
>it's some early access hearthstone clone
kys

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>P2W TCGs

>>389214191
hearhtstone is babby garbage that boils down to creature-go, which is exactly the kind of cancer that is killing MtG today.

>>389219652
Name one TCG that isn't pay 2 win

>>389219540
Hey, I'm close to that game store.

Can we not have people bomb them with fake reviews and say we did? They made a stupid choice, sure, but people are trying to burn them to the ground over it.

>>389219652
Unless you specifically mean vidya, how the fuck else are you supposed to get cards you moron?

>>389219586
>Hearthstone clone
It's quite literally a MtG clone. Hearthstone is complete garbage.

>>389219652
If you don't want P2W then play the more lower power-level luck-based ones like Vanguard, or just stick to pre-set deck building games like Tanto Cuore and the like.

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>>389219797
>>389219806
>They don't print images off of the internet and glue them to stripped cardboard

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>>389219540
store credit still trumps promo cards, fatal push will be reprinted constantly in the near future.

>>389219857
>vanguard
>not p2w
That game's economy is absolutely fucked. Have you seen how absolutely ridiculous the prices are on it? Nobody fucking plays the game, so why are there 40 dollar cards that you need playsets of?
Not to mention that the game gets power creeped as shit, meaning the 300 dollar deck you buy will be obsolete with just a few sets, unless you're playing shadow paladins.

>>389219923
Knew a guy who did that.
>I-im just testing the deck to see if I'll buy it
>Never bought any of the cards even if the deck was a fantastic top tier deck copied straight from the tournaments.

>>389219101
do NOT weave, it will get you judge called at any tourny.

>>389219830
Does it have lands? If not it isn't.

>>389220029
Sounds like Vanguard changed since I played it last time, thank you for telling me this. Sad to hear though.

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POST

YOUR

COMMANDERS

Try Hex TCG, it's Magic but superior in every way due to it's ability to use digital design space.

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>mfw it's only a matter of time before proxies become indistinguishable from the real shit and we don't have to wait for wizards to pull their head out of their asses and reprint outrageously priced cards

Feels so good to know that the fat fucking slobs holding cards will have their investments ruined.

>>389220094
It does have lands. It even has land-specific energy costs and cards that offer multiple colors for energy.

Except they just call it influence now.

>>389220227
People were saying this two years ago when chinaman proxie scare started and then they slapped the dumb sticker at the bottom of rare and mythic cards to accompany their new border. WotC will always find ways around it

>>389220042
A weave during sleeving and prior to several pile- and mash-shuffles will get a judge called on me?

Hasn't yet. I'm not a fucking idiot.

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>>389219652
Magic isn't necessarily P2W. I regularly beat my friend's hundreds of dollar plus decks with cheap meme cards like this and exile BS. You just have to know how to play people.

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>>389220141
Vampire grandpa is the best in the new set

>>389220227
>all those paper legacy players
fucking lel

though I will have to sell off my scalding tarn I got from a pack and my 2 cavern of souls for my merfolk deck

>>389220437
Yeah, but you're probably playing in casual settings against decks you know quite well.

It gets much harder at a tournament with strangers running a variety of highly competitive decks.

>>389220367
>make a perfect copy of tarm/fetch&shocks/moxs without stupid bottom sticker
>"hey yours doesn't have the sticker"
>"this one was before they printed them with stickers"
¯\_(ツ)_/¯ What're they gonna do carbon date it?

>>389220529
Oh so you're talking about competitive play. Then yes it is P2W lol.

>>389220582
i perform the rip test

>>389220582
Light test at best, rip test at worst.

>>389220582
it's not about preventing it for previous sets, its about making it harder for future proxies to be made. And arent up to 3 proxies allowed in legacy?

>>389214191
You're not wrong about lands being awful design, but you've never been more wrong about Hearthstone surpassing anything

>>389220480
This guy is fucking awesome. Indulgent aristocrat plus vampire cutthroat make good additions to his deck too. All dem tokens getting sacked to pump feels good.

>>389220646
I've still seen some pauper/jank decks made specifically to fuck with the current Standard meta that do quite well.

>>389220684
more like upward of 12,
my brother was a vintage player and 16 was commonplace.

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>>389220582
>>389220656
>>389220663
>Excuse me sir, we are going to lightly rip all of your $1000+ cards to make sure none of them are chinese proxies
>Please understand
The state of hasbro and wotc

>>389220391
it is highly suspicious behavior, because every MTG player worth his salt knows that weaving before randomizing is pointless, your randomizing, that means weaving is fucking useless.

and if you try and get cheeking with weak mash's after a weave your just fucking yourself.

weaving DOES NOT DO ANYTHING, and only signals to your opponent that your attempting to cheat, or that your a fucking idiot.

if you were to weave and poorly shuffle your opponent can judge call you for non-random deck, AKA cheating and get you DQ'd.

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Who /myr/ here?

>>389220656
Can they really force you to rip up your shit? What if I tell them to fuck off when they say they want to destroy something potentially worth a decent amount of money.
>>389220663
Newer proxies are passing the light test pretty easily.

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>>389218341
muh Titania
muh Toshiro
muh Daxos the Returned
muh Arjun
muh Archangel Avacyn
muh Samut
muh Mairsil
muh Edgar
muh Gay Kings
muh Sliver Hivelord Aura Enchantress Voltron extravaganza with Teferi's Protection and Lethal Vapors as a back up win con

>>389216298
???? anon real combo decks dident come untill around urzas,the first one was in mirage.

>>389220480
I want to make a mardu tranny EDH deck but honestly I think I may just get the vampire precon and then change out the bulk of tribal cards once I get most alesha reanimator cards.

>>389220786
Fucking this. If the proxy problem gets bad enough that everyone is suspect they can't just go around tearing everyone's shit up.

>>389220582
there are no perfect copies, yours will fail the magnifying test, 100%.

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>>389220786
>the rip test proves your cards were real
>we will now print you replacement sanction copies with sticker at the bottom

I don't put it pass wotc to do something retarded like this

>>389220786
If you're gonna make shit proxies and try to sell them off as real then ofc I'm gonna rip them.

>>389220828
I don't weave immediately prior to a match, then I always immediately pile shuffle and mash shuffle. I specified the dead air times where I do weave, and that I do it for psychological satisfaction. This is still considered DQ-able behavior?

>>389220961
bitch the first deck to win anything was a bunch of black lotus's ancestrals and fireballs.

or the ole Channel Fireball combo.

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>>389213673
I like shadowverse.

>>389217405
bloodborne the set was great, you must have shit taste

>>389217860
30 life commander with competitive decks is fun.
I always felt like I was just playing cards against humanity during multiplayer commander though. Sadly I don't have enough personality to make fun playing games like that.

>>389220852
myr are cute CUTE

>>389221021
it can be, and it is utterly pointless.

shuffling is enough, weaving is utterly fucking pointless and everyone at the mid-top levels knows it.

it means you have a fucking mental defect if you think it will help you acheive randomization/non-mana flood

are you some sort of fucking sperg who has pointless rituals you interject into things when you are absolutely wrong about them?

>>389217405
>What is Eldritch Horror?

The whole return to Innistrad set was amazing from beginning to end from a narrative standpoint. Probably MtG's best

>>389220983
no one is gonna be magnifying testing your cards mid game, people already use current chinese proxies in sanction tournaments. You could double sleeve to hide any imperfection if you are nervous

Did I hear someone was mana-weaving?

>>389220983
Not yet, but proxies are getting better and better. I just can't wait til all those shitters hoarding cards that are barriers to formats get fucked.

>>389221006
>>389221021
>rip test
>when blue core proxies exist
As someone that has some 3.0-5.0 BL Proxies, jewlers loupe is the best bet to ID fakes currently and doesnt harm the cards at all.

>>389221021
>>389220391
weaving and then shuffling though is pointless, shuffling enough (7 times IIRC) is good enough to randomize any pile.

>>389221082
Shadowverse is probably the most generous hearthstone clone. I never felt obligated to grind since they give you packs for just about everything and its pretty easy to contstruct decks in it. Most annoying thing is just playing each characters story for the reward cards.

Still no replacement for MtG though.

>>389221082
I like the game but none of the heroes playstyles really speak to me. in hearthstone I played warlock simply for the pay 2 draw a card ability.

>>389221006
no thatll hurt collectors
youll just receive a DQ for having less than 60 cards

>>389219151
anon im sorry to say but its you...

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>>389220141

>>389216831
Saheeli + Feldar was a literal infinite combo deck then after that was Ulamog combo. Are you also forgetting that mono red is losing a bunch on rotation?

>>389219740
>creature-go
wtf is that? Google gives me nothing, you making up terms?

do most people who play magic on /v/ play in tournaments

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>>389220981
>Play against a judge
>He claims you're running chinese proxies
>Rips apart your whole deck
>"Oh, looks like your deck was fine, just call Hasbro/WotC for a replacement. They'll now have stickers to avoid this mess"
>"also if you don't have a playable deck by this time you'll be disqualified :^)"

>>389221210
Doesn't matter, its up to you to shuffle your opponents deck.

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When will Jace and the others fuck off already? I'm so tired of each new set just having the PW be variations of them. All these interesting ideas soiled by shoving them back in again. Make it end.

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>>389219797
>Name one TCG that isn't pay 2 win
That's the point. TCGs are shit. The only card games you should be playing are ones that involve standard playing cards.

>>389220437
>Magic isn't necessarily P2W.
If you aren't beating people with a deck provided by a starter pack, it's P2W.

>>389221186
>are you some sort of fucking sperg who has pointless rituals you interject into things when you are absolutely wrong about them?

Why does it matter to you what I do if it makes me feel better and achieves the same result?

I don't say Macbeth in a theatre, I throw a little salt over my shoulder if I spill some, I don't walk under ladders. And I weave before thoroughly shuffling and never immediately prior to a round/match. Why are the first three not a huge issue but the last one makes me a sperg?

>>389221328
You play your creature and pass your turn, unless it has haste. Repeat until you win.

>>389221247
How reliable is the jewler's loupe? and be honest, do you really expect that to last forever?
>>389221198
Also this. I never understood why anyone would even call a judge on suspicion of playing against proxy cards. Would it really feel that good to win a tournament knowing that part of the reason was because you had more disposable income to spend on better cards?

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>>389220714
Can confirm. Big Ed gave me the chance to use Haakon, Stromgald Scourge and the necessary Changeling Instants/Creatures. Ended up getting a couple compliments due to how dank the synergies were.

>>389213673
>fully featured online mtg without card (spend 3 hours playing to get a 3 card booster pack) jewing literally never EVER

>>389217320
This was objectively one of the worst decisions in Magic's recent history. What made planeswalkers interesting was how they interacted with various realities, not teaming up like a bunch of retarded superheroes and trying to take on literal Cthulhu monsters.

>>389221065
that shit wasernt even a combo,that shit was before magic changed the deck limit and card copies ffs. there has been more then just combo decks anon in the beginning.

>>389221527
>>389221065
Reminds me of the whole: "lightning bolts and mountains only" deck.

>>389220141
Just got into Commander and built her. It's some of the most fun magic I've played in years.

>>389221513
except they literally did that years ago (the nine titans, and really the weathrlight, despite being non-walkers did similar shit) and no one complained.

its just the new-age thing, to be highly cynical about things like this, it wouldn't matter what direction they took the story in, people would have dog-piled it and acted like smug critics.

>>389221431
It's because the spells are more simplistic and bound to classes I guess.

>>389221634
>No one complained about weatherlight
How fucking new are you? Weatherlight got alot of shit from MtG community.

>>389221391
Play Cube or Draft desu. Not that Anon though.

>>389221513
They did confirm starting with Hour that they were going to cut back on the Jacetice League and even print more different Planeswalkers.

Granted, they're still in SJW mode because (((Wizards))) doesn't want to make the pink-haired numale upset.

Or this faggot in 39:40:
https://youtu.be/nyhzyLttUOk?t=2379

>>389221683
i mean thats really all you do in that shit game, you cant respond at all to what your opponent is doing, so fucking borning.

>>389221634
>>389221702
You guys ready for Legendary Planeswalker Vehicle - Weatherlight in Return to Dominaria?

Mythic Rares and Planeswalkers were a mistake. Everyone knew it when they were announced but people pushed back saying "Oh you just don't like change". No fuck that, some changes are good. The Mirrodin block thrust Artifacts into the spotlight and gave us equipment. That was a new card type done well. Planeswalkers just fucking suck.

>>389221702
the MTG community doesn't give a fuck about the storyline or the characters anyways, tier 1 players are always saying shit like "who's Bolas" and "I dunno the story" and all other shit indicating how little they care/know.

so don't fucking complain, it doesn't matter to 99% of you, your just playing with an assortment of cards and their relevence to plots are meaningless.

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>>389221812
we already have one thou

>>389221762
they've consistantly given us new walkers every block.

ya know.. its really gotten old to watch these fucking whiners with hyper focus on one issue, ignoring all the evidence against their complaints.

and most of these people dont' give a fuck abou tthe story anyways, so why the fuck does it matter if we get a "new" walker character or not?

>>389221924
god i miss the invasion block

>>389221450
>Would it really feel that good to win a tournament knowing that part of the reason was because you had more disposable income to spend on better cards?
There's fame and money on the line; if some fucker opens himself up to disqualification then of course you go for it.

>>389221082

Shadowverse is great but the anime aesthetic will definitely turn some people away. Shame, because the game itself is solid and the devs give away packs like candy.

>>389213673
the virgin wizard
>accidentally reads the wrong passage aloud
>turns himself into an insect

>>389222038
i just want time spiral 2.0, shit was so fucking fun to play

>>389221082
It kind of went to shit. The forced "win by turn 8" design philosophy makes games way too fast to have any meaningful decision making. Ironically despite having almost zero RNG it has less skill checks than Hearthstone.

>>389221762
>Wants cripples
I think that's neat as fuck, actually.
>Wants fat people
Isn't there an obese Thrull? Why fat characters? Why support poor physical health? And, for the record, I'm a fucking lard lord.

Also I'm fucking loving the "authenticity" we're getting with Kaladesh, Amonkhet, and Ixalan. It's rad to see some other races doing cool shit. We'll get more white people when we get to Dominaria, it looks like. And if not who gives a shit.

>>389222125
>delver
>accident
Someone didn't read the flavor text

>>389221892
Planeswalkers are fine'

Mythic rarity isn't.

When they added mythic rarity they really should have fixed the rarity problem by limiting card count in normal constructed play like standard by rarity

But no, make one good mythic per set, then print nothing but garvage rares and mythics to drive up the print value of the set because everyone needs playsets, then ban it next spring.

At least we got fatal push.

>>389222251
There's already been fat people. A protagonist of many magic stories published in magazines was a fat old wizard trying to bring his wizard back.

Plus, if you have magic, why not be fat? Why couldn't there be a jolly fat planeswalker who tells stories to Tamiyo in his spare time? At the very least it makes a unique character that some people will connect with, and for others it's just a card.

>>389221805
That's because interruptions would kill the flow in a digital cardgame. They need to come up with a way to fluently implement shit like that, but I've seen no digitals do it well.

>>389222421
I should have worded that better.

I think fat characters are fine, but I think the person asking for fat representation is an idiot.

Please give me Santa Claus: The Planeswalker.

>>389222373
>limit card count in standard play
but mythic rarity balances draft the most, out of all formats. You need to pay for good cards, limiting cards based on rarity just encourages them not to print fun mythic cards, because they won't sell packs.

>>389222020
Anon, we have FIVE NISSAS IN STANDARD.
New wakers mean new mechanics. Like a new mono-white wouldn't turn himself into an indestructible X/X. The problem with these PWs coming back over and over is that each walker has their own similar abilities. Like both Elspeth involve token spam. All Gideons turn themselves into beaters, all Sarkhans care about dragons, so on and so forth.
So we keep getting Nissas that are lands matter, we keep getting Gideons, we keep getting Chandras, it just gets so boring.

>>389222251
they'll just want more and more things, it isn't about including people because they think said people are under-represented, its about moving on to the next goalpost.

as in, they will literally never, ever stop escalating, I didn't believe that was true just 5 years ago, but watching people who are in the "progressive" mindset in various fields has left me convinced.

they don't give a fuck about black people or gay people or anything, they just want to push the "next thing" into the public sphere and as quickly as they do so they lose intrest in and move on to the next thing to liberate.

we've got fuckers in college's talking about "humanizing Pedophiles" and shit.

>>389213673
I wish that the card layout was like that.

>>389222373
>planeswalkers are fine
Not really. If all were Tibalt/Samut tier, then sure, but of course we know WotC is fully capable of making Lilianna of the Veil and Mindsculptor tier planeswalkers so thats what people want and expect.

>>389221892

Most people enjoy planeswalkers. Some of them were pushed too hard and are brutal to play against (jtms), especially when the card is in a lowish power level standard (Gideon ally of zendikar before marvel was printed), but the card type is pretty fun in general. Having extra stuff to do each turn is just good clean fun, adding an extra dimension to combat is just good clean fun

>>389222521
all the Nissa's in standard function differently.

your point is invalid.

not all Gideon's have to become beaters, thats simply you putting gideon into the same box he's been in, when he could easily be given all new abilites.

same for Elspeth, your imposing what you think they will aways be, on the future.

>>389222437
Its because its a non-interactive card game.

This is how hearthstone goes
>play your value creature
>they play their value creature
>you either go face, or clear their creature, usually you clear their creature
>then some bullshit RNG ability on the creature happens and its a coin toss on whoever gets the wining position
>This continues until someone dies to too much RNG or drawing your entire deck and dying to fatigue

Hearthstone is boring as shit, it makes me actually love the fact burn can exist in MTG, and I hate playing against burn.

>>389222437
not really, mtgo is a thing, i mean just add a timer then. a short one for responses

>>389214191
Even Blizzard itself calls Hearthstone random

>>389222529
>muh doomsayer
People have been trying to do bonkers shit for ages. You're now just lumping them in with liberals because you're not one anymore,.

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>>389222529
The far left is just as fucked as the far right. They think they're on some sort of crusade and get a rush out of representing the "under-represented" when those groups are sometimes dangerous to themselves or others.

He did have a point about crippled people though. Wheelchair-bound Planesroller when?

>>389222657
Well sure, but I don't know of any highly interactive digital card games.

>>389222781
Daretti. He blew off his legs.
Jesus fucking christ he has two fucking cards

>>389222545
Lily of the veil and jace were them trying to push planeswalkers to their best, you ca say the same about almost any OP card of their respective type, they've printed, such as goblin guide and tarmogoyf or fetch/shock lands, or god forbid, moxen and black lotus and soul ring

>>389222698
To be fair Blizzard made Hearthstone random because a game that simple becomes pretty shit without RNG. Back during beta you could literally tell who would win a game by the coinflip and exactly what each player would play every turn.

Shadowverse is a big example of this problem. Nearly every matchup is just a race to play your cards on curve and slam face. Going first has like a 60% win average in that game.

>>389222678
That system is annoying as fuck though. Waiting for timers that people don't even wanna use half the time is shit.

>>389222726
there are literally people petitioning for "Pedo Rights" and others for "maybe Sharia Law is in line with my Feminist beliefs" and others "Otherkin need the same push Gays' got"

and not "people on message boards" actual people at the forefront for political movement.

10 years ago no one gave a fucking about Transgendered people and blam, they are now the hot topic of the times.

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>>389222781
ey lil gurl lemme whisper in yo ear.

>>389222781
we literally have one, Deretti, and Urza used a Cane.

>>389222889
>people didn't give a shit about trans people
Yes they did, it just wasn't public conversation since you risked being dragged behind a fucking car if you brought it up.

>>389222615
>not all Gideon's have to become beaters, thats simply you putting gideon into the same box he's been in, when he could easily be given all new abilites.
>same for Elspeth, your imposing what you think they will aways be, on the future.
But they are, and they always will be. That's gideon's entire gimmick, turning himself into an indestructable dude.

Every single nissa has some form of lands matter on her. Even Voice of Zendikar, where her other abilities have nothing to do with lands, has an ult based on lands for no reason other than it's Nissa and she has to have a lands matter ability.

>>389222825
I always thought he was just short and in a spider mech. I didn't realize those were his legs.

Fucking rad.

>>389222894
how can he planeswalk if he cant walk?

>>389222948
thats my point, things are normalizing at incredible speeds, and while some are good, some will be bad, and eventually incredibly bad.

its an era of silence, no one of any repute dare speak up for fear of being cast out.

in 10 years Islam and Pedo's will be heavily pushed on the general public, and who knows what else and no one will be allowed to disagree.

>>389222894
>>389222942

see >>389223008

>>389223008
Well he is a goblin, so he's short, but his story is he blew up one of his inventions and lost his legs and that's what made his spark ignite.
So he got flung through the multiverse, landed somewhere without his fucking legs and built some.
Daretti is dope.

>>389223054
>its an era of silence
It's always been that way.

>>389221101

>Not silver tonguing your way to victory every game

Honestly, all I got is this 1/1 here and this useless enchantment that mean's nothing. Attack the guy with all the big nasty creatures instead.

>>389223143
no it hasn't, but there will come a time when they will convince you that it has always been that way.

now more than ever, talking about your political stance,s no matter how meek they are, has a big chance of landing you cast out of your job and soceity at large.

20 years ago the idea of doing that to someone would be insane, now it is literally the norm. (if your center or right of center or Right)

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>>389218190
these tokens come in those packs and premade decks

>>389223054
>because things have the potential to be bad, we should never rock the boat with anything.
Jesus Christ.

>Era of silence, no one speaks up
factually untrue. People have many channels and echo chambers to scream about their views regardless of what they are. Stop trying to make yourself a victim

>>389222970
My bad, there is one Nissa who is actually elf matters, the very first Nissa, but they retconned away her elf-hitler tenancies because that was problematic and gave her lands instead.

>>389222781
>The far left is just as fucked as the far right

In a thread about fucking magic the gathering, god damn.

>>389223256
>no it hasn't
Hm?

Were you alive during the red scare era? You literally cannot talk about communism at all, negatively or positively.

Really, how old are you?

>>389223314
Hey the vid poster started it, man.

>>389223123
Never thought I would care that much about MtG lore but fuck yeah.

>>389222894
PlanesWALKER is an ableist term and wotc needs to change this

>>389223351
bitch there were open communist professors during that time that talked on fucking TV.

and that was during WAR TIME.

if you were to have the "wrong' view now an internet mob will find where you live and where you work and mob you out of a job and make sure you stay that way.

shit is enitrely different from "CIA spooks are watching you, maybe, if your pinko".

>>389222051
>all bets are off when there's money on the line.
You're the kind of person who calls clock at a poker table if your opponent sits there for more that 5 seconds. kill yourself.

>>389223537
I'm talking about the second red scare, Anon. Look up McCarthyism.

Read a book sometime, your eyes will opened.

>>389222856
>Shadowverse is a big example of this problem. Nearly every matchup is just a race to play your cards on curve and slam face. Going first has like a 60% win average in that game.
It's not just because SV has very little RNG that it's like that. It's because the devs powercreeped the game to hell and back and they also enforced the design philosophy that games should end quickly so their precious japanese mobile players don't have 20 minutes games on their way to work, both of which completely ruined the game. SV is one of the most braindead card games to ever exist now; it feels like you have absolutely 0 agency and the only thing that matters is who goes first and the order the cards are drawn in.

>>389217405
>Rize of the Eldrazi's twist was "cosmic horror out of fucking nowhere" in the middle of the block
>Bloodborne's twist was "cosmic horror out of fucking nowhere" in the middle of the game
>Return to Innistrad was literally Bloodborne

>>389223751
>Shadowverse general tells me the game is good now since they nerfed like 10 cards (lol)
>Despite more classes being played, they're all still just playing cards mindlessly on curve with no decision making
>All the :thinking: combo decks are dead in the water

It's kind of funny when you realize the game is more popular than ever. I guess the best way to make your game a success is to make it casual:

HS does this with RNG and SV does this by removing all semblance of skill.

>>389223827
It wasn't out of nowhere though. It was pretty revenge orchestrated by a mortal. A mortal controlled an elder god, and then the jacetice league "totally did Not" beat her so that the god could be a plot hook for later.
It was terrible cosmic horror.

>>389220227
Pretty much every card over $3 between Mirrodin and M15 has someone making proxies of it that are virtually perfect. If we could just get them to print in layers and print text last they would be indistinguishable without tearing.

>>389220723
Pauper has one of the higher levels of play, especially compared to Standard.

>>389221189
>What is Eldritch Horror?
says the person who has obviously never read any
There is a lot more to Eldritch Horror than slapping a bunch of tentacles on things

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Speaking of Shadowverse, is Nep still alive? I haven't played in a while and I'm about to buy the new prebuilt just for her animated card.

>>389223943
I'm still shocked to this day that fucking Hearthstone turned out to be the much better card game than SV. HS managed to pick itself back up but SV just got exponentially worse with every single expansion except DE. It's like they just made every single problem the game had even worse while removing the good things about it at the same time

>>389224453

Think you mean cosmic horror. all "eldritch horror" means is strange/uncanny horror. The whole lovecraftian cosmic horror on the other hand...

>>389224548
2378 is alive after the nerfs, I haven't seen any other variants. The precon is pretty great value right now since you can dust the eachtar for whatever you want.

>>389224668
>ever trusting cykikes not to fuck it up for the sake of shekels
Oh.
It's a gacha company you know.

>>389225028
This. Anyone who played GBF could tell you how SV will turn out.

>>389222437
If I recall Eternal is trying it, and they have "land" too.

>>389225179
What's the general consensus on Eternal? I played it for a bit but ended up not liking it

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>>389224905
Nice, will have her animated alt art, going to use my Seer's orb on my extras, and I'm gonna Nep it up. Luna best girl.

>>389224668
>HS managed to pick itself back up
This post would have been accurate during the the TotG meta while HS was in JTU but not right now. The KoFT druidstone meta is easily the worse in HS's history.

>>389225179
Yeah I played that, still fairly clunky though.

>>389225338
Eh other than Druid the meta is fine desu. The only problem is that it'll take forever to get nerfed since Blizzard likes to take its sweet time.

>>389225338
Both companies are retarded and will ALWAYS find a way to fuck it up.
I wish CDPR would finally stop going full retard with Gwent's basic design.

>>389224335
feels good to know that I soon it won't cost $500+ to even think about getting into a competitive scene.

I miss drafting and having a group to play Cube with. I hope Ixalan turnd out to be fun to draft like Tarkir was.

>>389225443
>Eh other than Druid the meta is fine desu.
Pirate warrior, quest mage, and highroll/razakus priest? That doesn't sound much better when you take druid out of the picture, and saying it's fine without druid doesn't mean jack shit until they actually do something about druid which at this point is months overdue.

>>389225604
>He's still crying about quest mage

What rank? Tell the truth now.

>>389214191
This is true, all card games are random, Magic just adds even more randomness for no reason. It's literally a second layer, so instead of having spell/monsters/effect cards now you have ot make sure you have lands as well, all you repliers are making a fool of yourselves.

>>389223286
Please come say how bad you think Muslims are and that gay people are degenerate here in the UK. You will be put in prison for hate speech.

Holocaust denial? Most countries in Europe have that being illegal. One of the requirements for joining the EU is to have a holocaust memorial even.

He wasn't trying to make himself a victim, you're just parroting things you hear the right say and trying to use them as a weapon like they do. It's a classic left wing tactic and it doesn't work, but gives away the type of person you are when you try it.

Oh and while we're at it, Daily stormer is no longer online due to it's opinions. Every company that offers the service they need for a public online voice has denied them. So if everyone has many channels why is it that those channels are no longer available?

It's people like you that make it impossible to have a sane political debate. You have absolutely no idea what is going on and try to claim the informed higher ground. Then you claim people are trying to be victims when they point out you're wrong.

And that guy is right, the slippery slope is real. When you set up power structures and billion dollars industries they don't just disappear over night when they achieve their goals. Where do you think the gay lobby went when it achieved it's goal of gay marriage? It went onto transgender shit. The same lawyers, the same paid activists, the same virtue signalers. Now X have been won it was time for X+1, and they will continue to do so because there is an entire industry built around it.

>>389220684
I really doubt there will be any future cards worth falsifying

Legacy has more than enough prohibitely expensive cards to consider printing Standard cards

>Hey guys what commanders do you use?
>Using commanders exclusively designed to be commanders
Absolutely disgusting. Buying your commander over using a legendary already in your collection is top cancer.

>>389214191
The real issue with lands is how 80% of your decks cost is lands

Magic is unplayable due to its insane cost.

>>389222251
There's already a crippled Goblin PW. But because he's a gobbo he doesn't count to them.

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>>389225871

>That guy who only plays Prossh

>>389225881
what you don't like paying $80 for a fetch? Remember the guy that has those fetches is just playing better than you. :^)

>>389225771
It's only a matter of them wanting to print powerful cards or not
There's a fair amount of relatively recent cards used in eternal formats like Lili and Snapcaster

>>389225871
I share the same view as you, but there hasn't been any RBW Vamp commanders till now, I'm gonna have to indulge myself with them - probably just Edgar unless I can make memey screamy stuff with the 3CMC one.

>>389226296
Mathas is so fun tho, its like hugs but bear hugs

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Heartsthone alread has, pham. It makes more money than magic and is far cheaper for Blizzard.
>"In a fashion we should probably be accustomed to by now, Blizzard effectively kickstarted an entire genre when they launched Hearthstone back in 2014. Three-and-a-half years later, the card game finds itself growing a legacy that mirrors the situation with World of Warcraft in its prime years - many contenders, but only one crown, and nobody even pretending they’re going to take it any time soon."

>"In its initial form, Hearthstone directly targeted the biggest issues that had faced Magic: The Gathering - then market leader - and its predecessor, the real-world World of Warcraft TCG. Not drawing the right combination of resources and spells is frustrating, so Hearthstone has one mana crystal per turn. Those resource cards are used to pad out larger decks, so instead, Hearthstone introduces a two-card maximum on 30-card decks, sharpening focus and making deckbuilding understandable for more casual players. One of the difficulties Blizzard found when digitising an interrupt system of responding to your opponent’s actions was that it slowed everything down and made it impossible to add that free-flowing polish the company’s known for. So they dumped the lot, replacing them with Secrets and other auto-triggering effects. "

>"Without a doubt, the changes Blizzard made to the fundamentals of competitive card games were a rip-roaring success. Hearthstone immediately latched itself to the top of Twitch and had millions of active players. For a game quietly announced at an unstreamed event during PAX, designed to run on mobile and built by a team of less than 20, it did better than anyone expected. In fact, if it’s possible for a game to be too successful, Hearthstone is it. Here’s why..."

>>389226475
>"Part of what creates the mass appeal of card games is that they are simple. No manual dexterity is required. Beating other players comes down to deck-building, playskill, and luck of the draw. While nobody’s able to control whether you draw that Fireball on time or not, the former two are heavily and directly influenced by how many people are playing and talking about the game."

>"Perhaps the greatest threat to Magic’s success over the years was the internet. Ten years after the game was first developed, it suddenly became possible to ‘netdeck’ - using the internet to crowdsource a winning deck. It changed everything for the invested player, going from Wizards of the Coast actively hiding what cards were in a set to keep a sense of mystery, to publishing full spoiler lists. The best players were more than willing to put their deck building ideas out there for a paycheque, and only just before the most competitive tournaments was there a fear of spreading information to potential rivals. But this side of playing Magic can be avoided. The non-competitive and more casual players can and still do play what is known as “kitchen table Magic” - playing with whatever cards they have, often in multiplayer with a group of friends."

>"When a community is as large, loud, and well-supported as the millions-strong Hearthstone one, you’re practically falling over websites, streamers, and YouTubers trying to tell you what you should play."

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>>389220852
When I first started playing and I was just casual I made a myr tribal deck cause I opened two of these bad boys.

>>389226546
>"The problem for Hearthstone is there is no kitchen table. There is no way to play these just-for-fun, four-to-six player, free-for-all games. Hearthstone doesn’t support the social politics, backstabbing, and chaos that stops these games always being won by the most powerful deck. You can’t gather a few laptops or iPhones around for a drunken evening and just have a nice time together.

>"What we’re left with is a hole that could do with being filled - there’s no place in Hearthstone where you can simply throw a deck together and have some fun. Play just ten matches on the ladder and you will run into someone with a tuned, powerful deck made up of the best cards in the game. With so many people dropping in and out of play over time, many - myself included - have low-ranked accounts with massive collections, able to throw together whatever deck they find online. Meanwhile in Arena, every single card picked can be deliberated and compared with online sites and custom in-game overlays, to the point that almost any original decision making is taken out of the process entirely."

>"The current boogeyman, Jade Druid, is an old core made overpowered by new additions. Both the set it came from, Mean Streets of Gadgetzan, and the Knights of the Frozen Throne that turned it into a major problem, looked perfectly innocent in concept - very little focus was put on the deck’s key cards during preview season. It is only after the combined might of the internet smashed itself against the complex equation that is finding a best deck that this relatively simple-to-play deck became oh-so-obvious."

https://www.pcgamesn.com/hearthstone/hearthstone-casual-new-player-experience-future

>Nice cardgame thread
>Some guy literally can't voice their own opinion and shills some website's article
And that's why we can't have nice things

I stopped playing after RoB came out, what did happen to SV?

>>389221082
I too like weebverse.
They never print any fun or meme cards though so that kind of sucks.
I just want a legendary that does some retarded shit like swap everyones stats around.

>terrible videogame thread
>people throw around their opinions without any kind of factual evidence
>most of the posts have nothing to do with video games
>to top all of some edgy fedora shitposter starts talking about "nice things"

What a time to be alive...

>>389224548
Nep decks are literally the only builds I see in ranked anymore on shadowcraft.

>>389226475
>it's popular
Who cares? Hearthstone is terrible

>>389221762
>They did confirm starting with Hour that they were going to cut back on the Jacetice League and even print more different Planeswalkers.

On cards, not in the story. The Gatewatch will continue to be the protagonists going forward, they just won't be filling up as many planeswalker slots as before.

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>>389227176
>They never print any fun or meme cards
She's not a legendary, but Ding Dong is my favorite SV memecard, I even bought crystals to get her sleeve.

>>389213673
WHAT THE FUCK IS THAT CARD ART WHERE ARE THE BORDERS WHY AM I SEEING SO MUCH ART REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>389227482
w-wait what's that in her dress?

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>>389227664
A big ding dong.

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>>389227750
that's a big ding dong

>>389227930
U U
U U

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>>389227930
For you.

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let's make a magic card together /v/ what's our starting point?

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>>389227463
Actually The Gatewatch was nearly killed off in Hour of Devastation and Jace's memory was erased. He's a pirate now and working with his old enemy Vraska.
The new plane coming up is apparently Ravnika after being flooded, which is a shame because Ravnika was super interesting

>>389228079
Original frame.

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>>389228079
ah, there we go. a better view of the styles.

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>>389220141

Teysa, orzhov scion
Lin Sivvi, Defiant Hero
Thada Adel, Acquisitor

Whats the appeal of card games in the year of our Lord 2017? Why would I play a card games over complex and visually stunning real-time and turn-based strategy games on PC? Isn't it like riding a donkey to work while everyone else is using a car?

>>389228391
There aren't any good or engaging new RTS games, it's all MOBA garbage.
Card games have a novelty to them that virtual card games also cannot match

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>>389228278
allrighty, what next?

I just installed shadowverse. I never played a card game but I have an obsession with Alice in wonderland and noticed there's an expansion about it.

What am I to expect?

I hate how all virtual card games are skinner boxes. Sure you need to buy cards and packs IRL, but at least you are buying a physical thing. Virtual cards are worth nothing in the long run and it feels like a waste of money to play virtual card games.
I wish there was a virtual card game with a set price and after buying it you had access to the cards for free

>>389228502
A garbage, brainless card game that sucks you in with its generosity

>>389228391
They're fun. Also, for good card games you can play them irl with real cards against real people who you can shittalk face to face.

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shut the fuck up and keep posting interesting cards

>>389228626
>you can play them irl with real cards against real people
This is not a pro. I play videogame so I'd never have to interact with people in person

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>>389228736
Sounds useless, but this card actually has a few powerful combos that can be used with it due to how abilities behave on the stack.

>>389228496
no one wanna make a card?

>>389228079
Color, maybe? Red + first reply

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>>389228736

>>389225529
I personally only spent $200 to get Dredge and Bant Eldrazi. I could've spent even less but I chose to get a handful of real cards like shocks for the decks.

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>>389228918
ah, there we go. all right, first reply decides what's next. mana cost? effect?

>>389225881
>>389225708
>>389214191
>lands are bad
lmao hsbabbies can't into deck construction

>>389228841
I'm sorry you're autistic.

>>389228847

>Mindslaver opponent with this out
>Deck them the following turn

>>389228502
Probably the most casual and poorly balanced card game to ever exist. If you're easily impressed by free shit and waifus then go ahead and enjoy.

>>389229020
Lands are easily the worst part about magic.
Even with good deck construction you still have a chance of getting screwed or flooded. There is nothing less enjoyable than topdecking lands multiple turns in a row while your opponent keeps getting action, or not even being able to play the fucking game because you only draw two lands the whole game. A central gameplay mechanic that prevents you from playing the game sometimes is not a good gameplay mechanic, and anyone who disagrees just has stockholm syndrome from playing too long.

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>>389228993
Including only a "handful of real cards" you still had to spend $200 to be competitive.
WotC still thinks it's totally fine the way cards
are priced.
This is why I want the proxy market to explode. Fuck that shit.

>>389217736
What's the sauce on this?

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>>389229071
No one uses Mindslaver so that's not a likely risk, really.
This is my go to combo with the card

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>>389229121

>>389220160
The fact that nobody fucking plays this game makes me incredibly sad, because I think its legitimately a great card game.

Instead everyone circlejerks over Eternal as their digital Magic replacement.

>>389229016
R -mana cost

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>>389229193

>>389229016
Enchantment

>>389228471
>There aren't any good or engaging new RTS games
Please tell me how Age of Empires or Civilization doesn't completely blow a silly card game out of the water when it comes to depth. And what the fuck is 'novelty'? Card games existed since forever, and isn't Magic like 30 years old?

>>389229121
Does that mean forests give you two green mana when tapped? This isn't very clear.

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>>389229193
okay the first one was broken, this is just retarded.

>>389229247
>>389229265

>>389229280
>age = bad
Kay underage
Also Civ isn't RTS, it's turn-based strategy

>>389229251
so do people play this card? i mean wouldnt every one play it?

>>389220094
LSV is literally a dev for Eternal. It's pretty good, you can even draft.

This card is so reliable in kitchen table games its not even funny. With any color, answer any nonland permanent, including tokens. Have a nice 5/5 flying body to attack and block with, and if that's not enough pump it midcombat. It scales up to a victory if unblocked and you have enough mana to pump it. It's the perfect casual card and every new player should order four.

>>389229297
It's a joke card, mate. That's the untap symbol, it means you can tap forests for mana then untap them for mana so you can tap them for mana etc.
>>389229320
>>389229331
Silver border, these are just joke cards

>>389229320
Target creature deals 3 damage to its controller.

>>389229313
all right, i'll forgive the cycle for this one just being hilarious.

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>>389229175
https://dynasty-scans.com/chapters/if_the_light_music_club_played_magic_the_gathering_ch01

>>389229331
They're fake cards. There's no actual White Mage Green Mage etc in MTG

>>389229297

It's an untap symbol. In this case you could literally just tap and untap forests forever for mana.

>>389229359
oo ok

>>389228502
It's a gachashit that pretends to be a cardgame.

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>>389229352
fuck me, forgot the image

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>>389228098
woah.. i think i have those same plastic sleeves. what store did you buy them at?

>>389229359
ah shit i didn't even notice the silver border. my bad.

>>389229297
No, that would mean all your forests tap and untap for green mana. Essentially as much mana as you want

>>389229359
Not just joke cards, but fake joke cards.
None of the Un- sets contain them

>>389217217
>More like OP with power less than or equal to 0

What are your most treasured and valuable Magic cards?

>>389229331
not a real card, this is someones idea of a joke

>>389229313
This is the most hilarious one out of the group to me

this is something a bad guy in a cardgame anime would have.

I can only imagine the reactions to this one.

>>389229164
The 5-color mana system is incredibly hard to improve upon without sacrificing depth. You should really get better at magic.

>>389229526
Nothing impressive but I had the new Kalitas back when it was 20 dollars, but then standard ruined everything and now he's way back down
Bought it for 7 so I'm not too beaten up about it