>2017 >artificial difficulty still exists Pic very much related

>>389207413
Elaborate. The level itself is easy enough and the boss is perfectly doable once you learn its pattern.

>>389207590
>Jump to hit the turret.
>Land on the platform just as it gets pulled down.
>Instantly die.
Reee.

I have literally no problems on this stage. Git fucking gud, faggot.

>>389207759

>Eggman's robot's arms menacingly crawling up the platform
>"GEE I BETTER JUMP ON IT!"
>Die
>"REEEE REEEEE ARTIFICIAL DIFFICULTY!! REEEE REEEEEEE IM GOING ON 4CHAN RIGHT NOW TO POST ABOUT IT REEEEEEEE REEEEEEEEEE"

fuck off and die. Seriously.

>>389207759
Don't be greedy. Get one hit in and get out of there. It's best to stay on the middle platform whenever possible because you'll always be one jump away from safety.
That being said, what you are describing us a glitch and it's one I've encountered a few times. Sonic is supposed to sink in the oil but for whatever reason he falls straight through when the platforms are pulled.

>>389208005
I know that now, but the first time I did the boss, it was. Frustrating.

Far stupider is the time I killed the boss, landed in the oil, then the platform on the right came back up....trapping me between two platforms with no way out.

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>>389207413
Except the things that gave Oil Ocean its bad reputation in Sonic 2 have been completely excised in Mania.

>>389208393

>Cant git gud enough to keep the flame shield and be done with the boss in 30 seconds

KEK

>>389207590
the boss is fucking hard as shit

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you know you can easily score 4-5 hits as soon as the match starts, right?

Otherwise it's a matter of hanging under the platforms and taking out the turrets before picking away at eggman.

>git gud

>>389208514
No. No its not. Fuck off, IGN.

>>389207413
i have a feeling they patch this boss to make it easier
im guessing the platforms wont lower

>>389207759
You can get four hits on him when he pops up right at the beginning if you jump on top of him right as he comes up

>>389208487
Why did people hate OO in Sonic 2 again? Because it's a solid level. It's weird how Mania's version adds stuff from Sandopolis, another level people irrationally hate, yet they like that version.
>>389208510
>not losing the shield on purpose so you can fight the boss fairly instead of being a cheering faggot

>>389208764
Please don't steal my post

- >>389208564

>>389207413
What do you people mean when you say artificial difficulty? Is this a meme?

>>389208906
>Purposefully handicapping yourself when you're rewarded for skill

Cuck.

>>389208906
The big one is that seahorses would instantly shoot at you as soon as they appeared (they don't anymore). The Sonic 2 OOZ layouts could also be a bit confusing/easy to accidentally backtrack.

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>>389208908
I'm sorry anon

>being bad

>>389209117
I prefer challenge over the path of least resistance. Keep bring a scrub though.

>>389209159
I never had a problem with the seahorses. The layout I can understand but it only takes a few tries to get a feel for them.

>>389207983
They where talking about the turrets. the ones that show up during the only opportunities you can actually attack the boss.

>>389209456
>I prefer challenge over blah blah blah
>Tediously waiting for blade to fly out, the laser to attack you, and then the boss FINALLY appearing

Nah, I like to go fast. Keep being a cuck, though.

>>389209456
The seahorses were infuriating for me when I was trying to get enough rings for Super Sonic in Sonic 2. It definitely took some time before I could comfortably deal with their bullshit.

artificial difficulty doesn't exist

>can't get gud
>"m-muh bad level design!"
>"m-muh bad game design!"
>"m-muh artificial difficulty!"
every time

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>People actually have trouble with this game, game over, bitch about zones, etc.

Git gud, faggots.

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>>389209227
I still love you

>>389209456
>I prefer challenge
>can't get to the end with the shield

>>389209848
says the guy that played with tails assisting

>>389209987
Completely for novelty. Didn't use him for convenience at all.

>>389209625
>must go fast all the time who needs skill?
You are everything wrong with this fanbase. I'm sure you'll love Forces.

If you got a game over in Sonic Mania you need to hand over your gamer card immediately. Sonic Mania is the second easiest classic sonic behind CD.

>>389209976
Your reading comprehension sucks. I said I make it a point to lose it just before the boss. It's a fun fight and it's a waste to cheese it like that.

>>389210040
yeah and i'm malcom x

>>389210092
Maintaining speed requires skill. Your argument is shit.

>>389209848
only beaten the game once, and on easy mode (+ tails).

get out.

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>>389209848
Those are the same people who get a time over on Titanic Monarch. They just gotta git gud though.
Rate my run. I'm the one in the middle.

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>>389210221
Here you go, fag. Smell my ass.

>>389210293
Pretty good anon.
Also fuck that one bridge in Titanic Monarch. You know the one.

>>389210292
Beat it like 6 times on the switch, this was my first PC run. See >>389210323

>>389210386
took me a second and not him but

yes, fuck it. eventually I'll learn.

>>389210386
I may need visual clues to know what are you talking about, anon. Sorry for being a faggot right now.

>>389210293
How the fuck is #5 saving nearly a minute over you? Cheating?

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>>389207413
>>389207759
>>389208514
What do you mean?

>>389210413
I'm sorry anon. :(

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>>389210293

>>389210604
>not being good enough to finish the zone with blue rings
>not being good enough to keep a flame shield
>not being good at all in life

>>389210604
OP blown the BTFO out to never recover ever again.

>>389210523
It's about 3/4ths of the way through the level, and it moves up and down. It's covered in spikes, and most likely crushed you a few times.

>>389210773
What do the blue rings even do?
I played through the game with everyone and they don't seem to make a difference.

>>389211007
Drop dash helps a lot there. I think I got crushed once my first time. Gotta keep your momentum going and can't jump too late.

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>/v/ is shit at the game.
Color Lev unsurprised. I thought these games were hold right to win...

>>389211037
Rather than losing all of your rings individually, bigger rings worth more than one will drop, giving you the ability to actually collect all of your rings again should you lose them.

>>389211037
When you get hit they'll blahblahblah somebody probably already responded

>>389211037
They're called the Combi Ring by the way.

>>389211238
Seems dumb desu.

>>389211352
Its more or less pointless.

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>>389211184
>Only playing 15 hours of it

/v/ before the game comes out
>lol hold right to win sonic sucks
/v/ after the game comes out
>wtf why can't i win by holding right sonic sucks

Sasuga /v/eddit

>>389211352
>>389211384
It's a lot more helpful than you expect. If you get hit after having 100 & recover enough to get another 100 you gain an extra life, also it can help with your score & keeping the option to go Super whenever you want.

>>389211656
Yeah, I'd forgot to mention its great for nabbing that extra life.

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>>389210604

>>389211532
Look anon, I'm trying here between work and Absolver.

>>389211238
I would like it more if the combi rings didn't disappear so quickly. I rarely get them all back in time.

>>389211532
>Game came out less than a week ago
>Only been 5 days
>51 hours
>Spent the last 2/5 of the last 5 days playing Sonic Mania

Sorry we're not all neet, nerd.

>>389208913
Anyone?

>>389212104
Yes and Yes

>>389208913
>>389212104
It means they suck at the game but don't want to admit it.

>>389212104
Artificial Difficulty basically just means difficulty that is put into the game that requires knowledge of it in order to avoid/overcome it. So if its your first run of the game, you have no way of avoiding it because you have no knowledge of it. And theres no skill or reaction time on your part that can save you.

None of this is in Sonic Mania, however. And OP is just bitching because he's bad.

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>>389207413
>Not those things that move up and down to squish you with no warning in Titanic Monarch

>>389212417
>with no warning

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Back the fuck off???

>>389212417

>SPIKES
>Platform moving up and down rapidly
>hurr no warning

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>>389212710
Is it okay to have a smarmy sense of self satisfaction knowing that you're loads better than all of these faggots playing this game?

>had more trouble with the Chaos Emerald bonus stages than any of the levels in the game
Anyone else have this problem?

>>389212853
sort of. they shouldn't matter that much to you

>>389212932
No, though I had plenty of training in the CD special stages to prep me.

>>389212932

I'm still stuck on special stage 5.

>>389212853
It's the primary reward, go for it.

>>389213007
It's always some bullshit last minute bad turn that does me in.

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>/v/ will defend this

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>>389212932
That's just how special stages tend to be. Now to complete your journey and realize that they're all secretly piss-easy.

>>389213126
This is the only part of the game that I agree is bullshit. Maybe some of the crushers in Titanic Monarch too

>>389213126
Exceptionally bad timing fucked him over. That's not a trap intended to kill a player.

>>389212769
>Stay in place to jump to the next cylinder
>One above you falls and squishes your ass at lightning speed

That whole area was cancer. You can admit to something in Mania being shit. It doesn't mean you dislike the game as a whole. Christian Whitehead isn't going to come to your house with his boomerange on his kangaroo.

>>389213126
I won't defend it, I feel like a lot of people are spewing bullshit but this one is certainly dumb and no game is perfect after all.

>>389213316
>Christian Whitehead isn't going to come to your house with his boomerange on his kangaroo.

He's not? Oh thank God.

Alright, there was some bullsh

>>389207759
I basically just facefuck the boss and hope for the best. IMO it's one of the more frustrating bosses by far. Doing it the "right" way takes too long. Basically just banking on collecting at least one ring and throwing your corpse into him over an over again is the best option I've found.

Boss Ranking: (Best to worst)
True Final Boss
Mean Bean
Gacha Slot Machine
First Boss
Scuba Eggman
Death Egg Robot
Emperor Heavy
Trash Compactor
Final Boss
Magician Heavy
Giant Caterkiller
Egg Spider
Elevator Boss (Final Zone 1, as Sonic/Tails)
Chemical Swimmer (Chemical Plant 1)
Giant Oil Octo
Lava Driller (Lava Reef 1)
Ninja Heavy
Missile Heavy
Elevator Boss (Final Zone 1, as Knuckles)

>>389213126
>original block chute was famous for drowning
>new block chute will be famous for crushing

>>389213282
I actually trieda few times to just spin dash after respawning, got the insta-death in about 5/6 tries, so the timing isn't too strict

>>389213403
>>389213243
I was joking actually, anyone getting squashed once/twice would realize that they should just change their timing, on going forward, and the checkpoint is right near it too. I just thought it was funny that it's so easy to get that insta-death done like that. And it was so easy to prevent this, just put a small step that stops the character right before the moving platforms.

>>389213158
Why is Eggman so fucking cool?

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>>389213126
This has happened to me and I'm right behind you. Its pure bullshit. I think he could have easily coded in that door to be shut when the player arrives and have it programmed to open once you come to a stop. Easy fix.

>>389213126
This is my only gripe with the game, have had several instances where I got squished for what I felt were BS reasons.

>>389211532
some people also have a job and someone to fuck

>>389207413
Git gud little one

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Can we all agree that this OST is fucking amazing. Honestly, never cared for the music in Sonic but this is the one exception where it's good from start to end.

>>389213661
>>389213126
I literally got squished by jumping onto one of those before, and there wasnt anything between me and it. It just died for making a pixel tight jump.

I hate losing my perfect run to squishes. "THAT" hallway in Sky Battery especially.

>>389213668

But what's your excuse?

>>389213554
Even with you joking I assumed it was the first time happening to the player since that seems coincidentally timed perfectly with when you first spawn from the checkpoint & the player wouldn't know it the first time around, like sure they'll know not to do it again but I really don't feel like that should happen like that to begin with. Whatever though, anyone good wouldn't be going through the slow water way anyways.

>>389213734
This has to be one of the few times in Sonic history where I actually like the final boss theme more than the level themes. It's such a well made theme.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v8mGwpwd1cI

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>>389213668
>that guy who doesn't play Switch while fucking his grill.

>>389212853
what are you 11?

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>>389213839
>he doesn't explore various routes in different playthroughs

>>389213892
25. Just tired of people bitching about these games getting hard.

>>389213497
The "right" way is to go in with an elemental shield, shave off most of its health at the very beginning, and then effortlessly finish it off when it next appears. and golly gee it's also the fastest way

>>389213497
final boss and true final boss are the worst

>>389213734
It's a fucking masterpiece. Like actually holy shit.

>>389214004
there's nothing wrong with getting annoyed at people calling everything super hard or "the dark souls of X" but getting a sense of self satisfaction because you're better than someone at a video game is an unhealthy mindset.

>>389214017
True Final boss is a really well made fight. It's an actually hard COMPLETELY optional fight that isn't even tracked for achievements. It's only for people who want a challenge, and I love the fact that it exists at all.

The regular final boss's music makes up for any negativity I had for it, even if it is a bit easy for my taste.

>>389214147
Elitism is the cornerstone of mastery. Always looking up while laughing down.

>>389210590
Probably super sonic.

>>389214147
Yeah, I suppose so. I think its bred from people playing poorly and then saying the games are shit, though. Not trying to make excuses, just saying.

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>>389213126

It's a legacy feature.

>>389214304
>never had any problems with these stupid stars
>THOSE
>FUCKING
>MANTIS

am I alone in this? to this day there's one mantis I can't get past without getting hit

>>389214249
final boss is only a faggot once you get grabbed by that hand which transforms you into the room with the exploding ninja star thing. Fuck that guy!

>>389214375

The mantis in Metropolis Zone might be the most infuriating badnik in the series.

Oh right, this happened to me a while ago. Game softlocked at the final boss and I had to reset. First time I ever made a video with the PS4 share button.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OUgvKvcYp4Y

>>389213850
My nigga. It really is a brilliantly composed song.

>>389214375
Nah. The starfish just require focus and timing to get passed them, but the mantis are straight-up bullshit.

>>389210604
I dunno, I kinda gotta side with OP because there is literally no indication that the entire fucking floor is gonna drop out from under you into instadeath if this is the first time you've played the fight. Unless two tentacles grabbing the stage is somehow a clear indicator of "I should stand right between the two tentacles". For all the player knows at that point it could be an instant death where you get chomped in its teeth while the rest of the stage is safe.
I mean it's definitely one of those "fool me once" kind of scenarios so it's not a big deal at all, but it's still kind of a dick move.

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>>389214568
Looks like the phantom ruby can stop time too!

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>>389214375
>>389214304
*Blocks your path*

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>>389214716
I think it was pocket adventure where the blades on the mantis enemies could just be reflected from a simple spin jump. That was nice...

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>>389214803
>Mania Bombs
>bullshit

here, let me teach you the ways of the world

>>389214754
See >>389207983

>>389211656
That sounds like it's setting itself up for life farming cheese strats. I mean, I get where they're coming from as a mercy mechanic but you'd think there'd be some sort of internal failsafe where rings you re-collected after dropping wouldn't be able to grant you extra lives if they already had previously.

>>389214962
>>389214803
Not only can these fucks NEVER fucking die, but they have a huge aoe, spit out OTHER fucks, that ALSO can't die. Seriously, Super Sonic walks through them, they cannot be directly killed, and exist only to take your rings.

Fuck these things.

>>389215008
You can't farm it because the blue ring goes away when you get hit.

>>389213850
Am I crazy or I hear the riff from sonic forces' main theme?

>>389214995
>gee I better jump on it

Jump on what? I haven't even played the game but from that webm it looks like literally the only thing TO jump on is the octopus robot that pops up.
If there's side platforms or something then yeah you're right, OP is retarded.

>>389215085
You only need one. Get like 300 rings (most levels have around 400), then get hit. Pick your giant rings up and boom, those 300 rings gave you 6 lives total.

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>>389213771

"Sky Battery"

>>389215061
their placement in Mania is NOTHING compared to Starlight Zone's

>those areas with 5+ of them in a line
>have to keep triggering them and backing off and waiting

RRRREEEEEEEEEE

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>>389207413
Thinks Sonic Mania is hard in anyway.

>>389215147
He pulls down 2/3 of the platforms in the boss room.

>>389215181
In CD's defense, its level design is already borderline schizophrenic, and with the time stones, all enemies die anyway. I feel like in CD, their mere existence is supposed to be a punishment to people who didn't complete shit ahead of time.

>>389215173
Eh?

>>389215278
are you talking about Mania or CD? and it's "Flying Battery", not Sky, you triggered anon, apologize to him!

>>389213126
I used to die a lot at that part as a kid and I died a lot at it when I got Sonic Mania too.

>>389215374
>>389215173
Oh, well fuck me dude, I don't pay attention to names. I still don't remember the order of the levels in this game and I already 100%ed it.

>>389214754
I don't see how it's a dick move at all, I agree the player won't know to jump in the middle of that section but they'll more than likely back away then, it's what I did anyways but doing that taught me how the boss worked and then I could pummel them like in that webm. Only the little ball turrets could throw someone off since they don't appear until the second time he pulls the platforms down.

>>389215465
APOLOGIZE

>>389213126
>something that also happens in the original

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>>389215596
I'm sorry that I both got the name wrong and that the level also sucks complete ass.

I'm not as much sorry to the fact of me calling it bad as much as I am sorry that it IS bad, since it's basically a bunch of instant death pitfalls or squishes. The level is dumb.

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>>389208514

>>389215792
Not them, but you basically facetanked and almost died at the end while doing the fight undeniably wrong. I won't say the boss is hard, but I won't say he's easy either. He's a pretty decent noob trap, and a lot of noobs are out there nowadays.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5b86YE3ZDuk

>>389215894
That's kind of the point, I still one while just jumping in randomly.

>>389215234
>>389215567
Okay, thanks for the clarification. Forget I said anything, OP is dumb.

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>>389215629
it does? lel

also,
>mfw

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>>389215465

"dude"

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kLiUNxg8Gh4
I still love this after so many years

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>>389216174
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoE8xsBFyYg

Nigga, post the superior version.

Oil Ocean was piss easy pussy shit until act 2's boss. Tails kept flying back in after dying for me, grabbing me against my will and fucking me up.

>>389216302
Tails will only grab if you press up and jump at the same time.

Don't press up and jump at the same time.

>>389212417
I want to fuck fat nonon.

I assume you're talking about how the tentacles of the octosub can crush you. I'm still not sure if that's a glitch or intentional.

>>389216302

>"grabbing me against my will"
>idiot holds up when he jumps

>>389215934
That was literally luck. You where like 3 pixels from dying from those yellow balls..

>>389207413
notice that we didn't get posts like this until AFTER the pc version dropped. Pc players confirmed shitters at Sonic

>>389215707
eh accepted

now don't let it happen again young lady

>>389216520
>>389216412

I don't, so maybe somethings up with my controller.

>>389216647
That's not true, I had Sonic threads filtered during those 2 long weeks to avoid spoilers but I did get spoiled on this boss ever so slightly by seeing a thumbnail of it in the catalog and the OP was bitching about it.

>>389216647
The leaked switch footage had some hopeless fuck racking up the game overs here

Worst levels so far for me are
Mirage saloon act 1, flying section is too long and gay but nice EZ special stage ring
both oil ocean acts
Both stardust speedway acts

>>389213126
This has actually happened to me A LOT of times, and never did in the original Sonic 2. I don't think it's intended and they should probably patch it.

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>no torrent
>will never play mania

>>389207413
Sounds like Sonic 1 easy mode might be your thing.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-ef8SD9gUg

is it possible to escape the time shifting grab from the last Robotnik fight in Mania? or is it just one of those "you'd think you can escape this, but you actually can't"

>>389216875
Are you third world or something?

>>389216875
>being poor

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>>389213734
>never cared for the music in Sonic
You're entitled to your opinion, but... seriously? It's one of the series with the most consistently good soundtracks.

And if you liked the remixed tracks I'd have a hard time believing you wouldn't like the originals they were based on.

>>389216863
>Mirage Saloon act 1
Yeah, its pretty boring.
>Both oil ocean
Scrub.
>Both SS acts
SCRUB.

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>>389216875
>mfw bought PC copy and a Switch copy, along with getting a copy for tomposter and two of my friends.

I will make sure iizuka-san greenlights Mania 2.

>>389216875
Game's $20, anon. Are you really THAT poor?

>>389216975
you cant, if you hit him fast enough he wont do that move

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>>389216875
>thinks he still deserves to

>>389213850
i like the normal boss better
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYj1GbbQr4w
the giggle in the beginning is perfect

>>389216875
>>389216985
>>389216990
>>389217275
M A C

>>389217157
Based anon

>>389217451
O

>>389217157
>he also gifted his friends Mania
my fucking nigga, I just hope they do more original zones in a sequel since there's only so many zones that can be remade, even if Taxman is so great at it that my own self-esteem is crushed in enjoyment

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>>389216875
the game is cheap and is definetly worth its price, why would you do that?

>>389217157
>iizuka
>greenlighting Mania 2

>>389217451
what? you're on a Mac? if so, how would the game being cracked help with being able to play it? I don't understand

>>389217378
It's a damn fine boss theme.

>>389217352
>>389217157
weren't Sonic's eyelids blue too?

>>389217157
Feel like helpin' out, my nigga?

>>389215102

i mostly hear big arm / death egg robot theme

>>389216640
Still won without doing any special besides jumping in and just hanging under the platform.

Are you too stupid to do this strat?

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>>389217687
Depends on who you ask. In the original opening it was fleshtoned.

>>389217646
i can use wine on mac to play it, but i'm shit out of luck with running it from steam on my mac, it wouldn't launch

>>389217713
Sure, link steam.

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>>389217687
It's inconsistent, Classic's eyelids are pretty much never blue though.

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>>389217451
>pirating a game will suddenly make your computer be able to run it

>>389217790
>luck is a strat

>>389217814
well...
you can't say you didn't bring this on yourself, still using a Mac

How do you even get one game over on this boss? How? I died a couple of times but that's it.

>>389217836
do you think he's that fuckin stupid?

Magician best Heavy.

>>389218015
How do you even get a game over in this game? I had 20 lives by the fourth zone

>>389218019
Tomposter did it when I bought it for him and there wasn't much of a big deal. Don't see why not here either.

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>tfw to smart to enjoy Blue Spheres
Blue Spheres is an afront to players everywhere and should be removed at once!

>>389217963
i mad an uninformed decision and i'll regret it for the rest of my life. can't afford another computer cause i dumped money into getting the shitty mac

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>>389218146
shit, now I feel sorry for you man

>>389217836
https://steamcommunity.com/id/Vulvasuar2
>two games
i'm a poor ass nigga who got a late start on pc gaming, tell me if i'm too much of a pleb. i will understand

>>389218120
is not hard, here this might help you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mB3tKwAKHp0

>>389218290
i'm a fucking idiot, i know

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>playing Mania
>about to land on spikes
>insta-shield right as I land on the spikes and quickly jump away
>don't take damage at all
Holy FUCK that was awesome. FUCK insta-shield haters.

>>389218104

Yep, same, I never got one game over in Mania.

>>389218632
Shit, I really gotta replay the game with the Peel-out and Insta-shield some time, I've been too hyped over the Drop Dash still to use them.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mn6uqp_mr98
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XKjOJuPjiu4
This shit makes Shadow look like Mr. Rogers

>>389218365

I managed to get all silver metals and beat the secret ones, but I didn't bother going for gold.

>>389218835

Huh, so that's what he sounds like. Not bad. I still don't like his design.

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>>389218104
Same shit here, I only died 3 times in the whole game, I even had to use the Dev Menu to even check out what the Continue screen looked like due to it.

>>389217887
It's not luck, it works every time

>>389210604
Cool, now do that without flame shield like a fucking pussy.

>>389219406
There is a continue screen?

>>389219406

You can get continues? I thought game over just meant being sent back to the menu screen.

>>389219523
>>389219567
Yes there is, you can get Continues in the Special Stages but you need to get enough points to get them, basically just keep getting more blue spheres during it & you'll gain enough to get a continue. I never got one myself by the way, I only found out there was a Continue screen due to the soundtrack.

>>389214518
You don't actually have to hit him to end that room at least

>>389217053
Oil Ocean sucks ass and the music isn't all that great
Stardust Speedway had top tier tracks but the level was a mess

>>389219704
Continues are only in No Save mode, right?

>>389214249
I feel like most Sonic bosses would actually be pretty challenging without rings, which is the main reason why the Sonic 2 final boss is relatively difficult.

>>389219826

Oil Ocean was fine, so was Stardust Speedway. If you play well enough you can get through them relatively quick and easily.

>>389219965
No, you can get them on a normal save file as well, not sure if they actually save to your file though, want me to check?

>>389220025
I didn't have any problems going through them but I just thought the gimmicks were really annoying

>>389220031
Ye pls n thank

>>389220181

Ah, well to each his own then.

>>389215894
>undeniably wrong.
>He beat it

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>>389207413

>I want to be able to beat everything on my first try

the perfect exemplification of a loser entitled to glory he will never achieve

>>389217836
can u get me it too anon?
http://steamcommunity.com/id/clobbadatkirby

?

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>>389219965
>>389220261
Nevermind on what I said, I guess it is only on No Save mode which makes sense, I thought I saw it done on a Save file before but I guess not.

>>389215934
>>389216640
the spelling on this board is fucking atrocious

>>389214962
>>389214803
These guys are such cunts

>that part in Sonic 1 were the two fans push you into a pit of bomb enemies

I wouldn't call Sonic 1 hard, but it did have some super cunty moments.

Also the boss in Oil Ocean 2 was harder as Knuckles because it's a lot harder to get back on the platforms. As Sonic I just bounced on top of the rising turrets and took them out in like two turns. Overall he's not a hard boss, I just think people don't realize you can break the turrets.

I genuinley don't understand how people are having such a hard time with Sonic. The Vinny stream of Sonic 3 is also a huge wake up that the majority of people that dislike classic Sonic are probably just bad at it.

>>389215167
Mate if you are someone who is capable of holding onto 300 rings at a time I doubt you are someone who needs to farm lives.

>>389220574
If it's impossible to beat something on your first attempt then that's bad game design, you can very easily beat this stage and boss in 1 attempt though.

>>389214249
>actually hard
I found there is absolutely no reason to use the super sonic boost you get in that final boss or use the flight ability, just run and jump from the ground to kill the boss and it's easy as hell.
Bit annoyed at how well this works because the new shiny abilities of flying and warping about is just a hindrance instead of cool reward.

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>>389218120
>TFW don't have much problem getting silvers, but fuck up all the time by trying to go for golds

>>389221250
did he deliver?

This stage isn't that difficult. I'm not sure but does setting oil on fire with the flame shield make the smoke come back faster?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7z1Hjtklq60

HOW

>>389222146
not yet

>>389218120
Blue spheres is the single best emerald stage Sonic has ever had, fuck your shit.

>>389222315
I made a strawman post to make fun of people who shit on Blue Spheres (my favorite Sonic special stages ever), with the retarded wojak and "to" instead of "too", and I still got a serious reply.

Should I add a line going
>[IRONIC SHITPOSTING]
next time too?

>>389222491
You don't seem to understand how many people accompany actual shit opinions with frog or feelsposting. If you assumed it was all just ironic in the past you are more optimistic than I.

>>389222642
look at the wojak I posted, look at the format of its head, as well as its mouth drooling, come on (and the image wasn't the only clue, "to smart" has been going for a while now)

>>389222756
Who clicks on reaction images to inspect them for drooling? And you think anons have never mixed up "to" or "your?" I'm sorry anon, you thought you were being funny but this board is full of shitters actually like that.

>12 silver medals
I can't, I fucking can't. How many of these fucking things do I need for Mean Bean Machine?

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Anyone else really bothered these weren't full-on rematches?

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>Oil Ocean
>Hard

>Sonic Mania
>Hard

>>389222961
Is there really any point to attacking them? Can you stall out the fight and destroy them before Eggman?

>>389222961
Feels like you were suppose to fight them on their own terms at some point like a boss rush but I guess the game was too rushed and couldn't implement them, so they became more like a distraction from the final boss we got. I wish the HBH got overall just more screentime/character to be honest. Felt like they were tacked onto this story.

>>389222961
>>389223162
I didn't even see these guys, I just went Super and killed Eggman in seconds

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>>389222961
...I've been the final boss 4 times and only ever seen the top two.

>>389223469
*beaten
I need to go the sleep.

>>389223162
Seems to be no point at all. Just hold out their attacks then go back to Eggman.
I wonder if you actually had to beat them at some point before going back to Eggman in an earlier build?

>>389223469

I got as far as the magician, but never saw the fourth phase. I just assumed it didn't exist.

>>389223574
I almost wish you had to. Though that shuriken is a pain in the ass.

>>389222961
Very especially since TMZ Act 2 splits up into 4 paths that you have to take in sequence.
They could have had a rematch at the end of each one and it would have fit perfectly although maybe it would have made the zone drag on too long.

>>389210604
Having a shield actually completely invalidates this boss since the turret bullets can't damage you. Probably one of the worst designed fights in the game for this reason. You literally just have to watch out for that tentacle that jumps over the platforms.

>>389213126
I lost a couple of lives to that while searching for the chaos emerald.

I don't think its meant to be like that, mabye it'll be fixed.

>>389222929
you can do it anon, I'm basically 30 and my reaction time has been measured as being far below average.

I got almost all the medals, just don't panic, don't jump, and try to "go with the flow" many time the stage directs you to the blue spheres, wandering around too much wastes time and can doom you.

Avoid yellow spheres unless you absolutely have to use them, most stages will allow you to move around in only one direction (clockwise) but a few of them want you to alternate left and right but it should be obvious when you encounter those exceptions.

>>389223908
It's still a Sonic 2 boss in design AKA just jump on his head over and over till he dies without stopping.

>>389223908
It doesn't change much even if you don't have the shield, just tackle the turrets before he comes up, they slowly rise & only start shooting when they reach the peak of how high they go. Sure it'll take longer but it's still a safe & easy way of doing it.

>>389211532
>I have no life

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>>389222961
>heavy gunner and shinobi are reconfigured in some fashion
>magician and rider stay the same
I only saw magician once in the final boss, but I was under the assumption that Robotnik had disassembled and reassembled them to get them under his control again. But the other two kinda contradict that theory.

Actually, did any of the heavies except for the boss one go rogue? I figured that it was implied with the true final boss and the gem stealing stuff, but it was never really made clear if the others were doing their own thing or not.

>>389224865
Rider's ladybug got a pretty sick upgrade. I think that just leaves Magician.

>>389207413
So is it just me or is the first part of Mirage Saloon zone act one as sonic/tails just terribly boring

>>389224865
>Actually, did any of the heavies except for the boss one go rogue?
In the cutscene after the Green Hill boss, Eggman seems to be angry at the Heavies and has to take the Ruby from Shinobi by force. It looks like they don't want to listen to Robotnik anymore.
I could've just misinterpreted the scene though.

>>389224865

Well, the description for the hard boiled heavies says that the phantom gem knocked some screws loose. I'm assuming that they're following Heavy King's lead, and that if they were in the phantom dimension, they would help him retrieve the gem.

Also, one of them was playing around with the phantom gem in the beginning, and Robotnik had to take it back from him.

>>389225192
It's a Sky Chase homage. Sky Chase was never really known for it's speed or action.
At least Knuckles got a more normal level for Mirage Saloon Act 1.

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So I'm fucking around in debug mode and find this in Titanic Monarch Act.2, just thought it was interesting to post.

>>389225775

Where is it located?

>>389225843

Well, where in the level that is

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>>389225775
>Titanic Monarch wasn't the actual final zone at some point even during a bad end run with one level afterwards
How interesting. Mania's alpha/beta trivia must be getting Sonic 2 beta huge at this point.

>>389225913
I think Egg Reverie was most likely planned to be a full zone, judging by the unused slope tiles.

>>389226185
Were they found by datamining that data folder in the game folder? Interesting to think that Egg Reverie was actually gonna be the final zone at some point.
Wonder if there was gonna be another kind of super sonic final zone then.

>>389225913
Even before finding this out, I still assumed this could have been the case. It seems like more of a semi-final zone where you rematch all the heavies and then have a climactic battle against Heavy King himself for the end of it, especially since the zone's even called Titanic Monarch. A final real zone against Eggman would have been the logical follow up from there.

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>>389225843
>>389225889
Go through the top left warp in the main "hub" and go to the right & a little bit down, you'll find it easily. Also I just realized the area is from the Time Attack though, not sure if that's why it's there at all or what but pressing it ends the act and leads you to the boss room as if it was a new act.

I want to see if I can find the HBH rooms & possibly interact with them at all, I'm struggling on finding the area though, I don't think I can find them unless I'm at the Eggman fight & you can't go up or down since the camera is locked.

>>389226442
I wonder if it's just that that Act 2 finish and teleport to the final boss was done back when the story wasn't focused on the Phantom Ruby and being a Forces tie-in? I feel like Mania was a completely different game story-wise before it had to be a tie-in.

>>389226727
Given how Izuka was a part of the development from basically the start, I really doubt they didn't have the plans to be a Forces tie in soon enough that problems like that would happen. I honestly think this was just time constraints at work and the team being unable to fully flesh out all their ideas in time. Lava Reef onwards all have a slightly unfinished touch to them, especially when you see all the incomplete shit still sitting around in debug for those zones but not really for the zones before them.

The only difficult thing in the game is the final blue sphere level. I don't know if it's the controller I'm using or if they changed the physics, but every time I jump over the reds to get the blues it moves me just slightly forward so I can't turn and have no choice but to keep jumping until I hit a red. Fuck that shit.

>>389227112
I wonder if even in the coming months/year or so we'll be able to read or see alpha or beta design documents for the game? Mania's development cycle must've been fascinating.

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>>389226442

>>389227112
>Lava Reef onwards all have a slightly unfinished touch to them, especially when you see all the incomplete shit still sitting around in debug for those zones but not really for the zones before them.
Posting a webm of that.

Anyone know if it's possible to unlock the camera by force by the way? I'm sick of it hindering me from getting to locations.

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>>389227382
Egg Reverie slopes.

>>389227382
>>389227462
>Hidden Palace was once suppose to be more lengthy
>Egg Reverie was once an actual zone
Cool

>>389207413

How did people have trouble with this boss?

When you see where it's about to appear, jump in the oil near it and start jumping into it from underneath, you'll take damage but you should be able to keep at least one ring

>>389226727
>>389227112
Is Mania being a tie-in why Forces is only $40?

So were those last few secrets they mentioned found?

>>389227720
What are you talking about?

>>389227838
Someone from the team tweeted out that there were still some hidden things to find in Mania a few days before the PC release.

Sonic 3 idle and look up animation >>>>> Sonic Mania

Prove me wrong.

>>389227720
Dunkey mode

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>20 medals
>still no Mean Bean

>>389228256
you need 21

>>389228304
Anon if you're lying to me I will come through your screen I swear to god

I hate blue balls.
I just want to flick some beans.

>>389228094
I like Sonic 1 and 2's idle the best. Sonic getting so bored he lays down is great. Mania and 3 are both different ways of basically saying the same thing: get the fuck moving.

>>389228304
It was 22 anon. I'm going to murder you.

>>389229215
Well now you got your Mean Bean mode. No need to violence!

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>>389217157

>bought Mania on PC and a second copy for a Sega friend who couldn't afford it

Dude flipped. He was really expecting to have to wait for a sale or something. I said "nuh uh brotha, you're playing this shit right the fuck now."

>>389230063
You're a good friend.

>>389230063
Cool guy anon. I was able to buy it cause I had 20 bucks of Steam money from a gift card I got for my birthday last year. Been holding onto it till Mania came out.

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Just found this mod that gives Sonic & Knuckles their Sonic 3 color palette for those interested:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GmgYq_xl8JI

It's not the Sonic 3 sprites but it's something for fans of that game.

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HOLY SHIT GUYS
UNUSED AMY SPRITES FOUND IN MANIA!!!

>>389230650
Thiccfags need to die

>>389207413

Is it cracked yet

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IS THIS WHAT YOU WANT?

ARE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?

>>389230540
Looks nice.
From what I remember every mod that's been made right now makes it that you have to backup the original data.[whatever] file and replace it the one the modder made which has the changes.

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>>389230750
Link the mod, I need this badly.

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is this good
i don't even own the PC version, much less do i have the patience to try to edit all the sprites in for modding

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>>389207759
This happened to me too but only once. I died the moment I hit the oil.
Sometimes I die on moving platforms too if I walk into the wall, see Chemical Plant.

>>389230750
That's the kind of shit I was hoping Mania would have by default instead of a modder having to do it. Sonic 3 Complete has spoiled me.

>>389230650
+1 kilo

>>389230803
It's not a mod. Get enough gold medals and you unlock "& Knuckles" mode.

>>389230803
>mod

this is unlockable in game

>>389230750
A knuckles companion is neat, but how does he return to you if he gets squished or separated?

>>389230939
>>389230938
He's most likely talking about how you can drop dash, insta-shield and super peel-out at the same time instead of only having one separately a run.

>>389230949
He glides on in from above. He's pretty much Tails but without being able to grab you, or without being able to break walls like Knuckles can.

>>389230803
http://forums.sonicretro.org/index.php?showtopic=37179

Check off both the insta-shield marks in Cheat Engine. Then go to No Save > Secrets > and select CD Ability and when you start the game you should have all three abilities. There's a check mark in the Cheat Table for Peel Out but it didn't work for me so this is what I had to do but it worked perfectly.

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>>389230938
>>389230939
>>389230949
Please tell me you guys are all just pretending to miss the actual point of the webm.

>>389231081
Sonic could do that midair attack in 3 though. it's nothing special and kinda sucks

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>>389230815
awful

>>389231162
Holy shit anon, do I really gotta explain it to you?

>>389207413
Fight it with any elemental shield. Bullets negated.

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>>389231162
>it's nothing special and kinda sucks

It broke the ever-loving shit out of S3&K.

>>389231162
You really didn't use it properly if you think it sucks.

>>389217798

So odd since they're also flesh colored in Adventure 2, and THEN when they re released adventure 1 for the gamecube with enhanced graphics and shit they didn't retroactively changed the color of the eyelids, which makes me believe Sonic actually paints them or puts on some make up, at least from Adventure 1, but since Sonic was literally taken out from his house while taking a shit and using other shoes at the begging of Adventure 2, he didn't even had the time to paint them blue.

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>>389231056
Thank a lot, Anon, time to have fun.

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>>389227714
yes. the end of forces will have classic Sonic going back in time in his dimension to get the power of the super emeralds since they're going to get BTFO at the end. the final battle with infinite will take place in Sonic Mania lock on. this is why the final battle was so shit.

pixel infinite is going to be so cool.

>>389231308
>>389231385
How do you use it?

>All those cheap crush deaths in Titanic Monarch
What were they thinking

>>389231521
When you use it it gives you a second of invul and it increases your hitbox size a small amount. You can kill the badniks covered in spike balls and such with it and you can also cheese some bosses with it like the Carnival Night Act 2 boss.

>>389209848
>He spammed the first bonus zone on GHZ so much to get the emeralds he came away with an extra 35 lives

Sad.

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>>389231521
It makes you invincible so use it on bosses, you'll never get hurt. You can also use it to go through the more invincible things that hurt you like those flames in Launch Base & Bubbles, hell you need to use it on the Orbinauts in Launch Base even.

>>389231521
>Jump into an enemy with spikes or some other defense.
>Insta Shield
>Bam, you just ignored the defense and smacked it.

>Jump into a boss juuuuust out of jumping range
>Insta Shield
>You hit the fucker and don't have to wait for it to drop down into normal range.

>>389231521
If you mean in Mania normally, you have to unlock it by clearing a few Blue Spheres bonus stages from the checkpoints, then go to a No Save option in the file select and open up the secrets menu. Lets you toggle between Drop Dash (Mania), Super Peel-Out (CD), and Insta-Shield (3&K).

If you mean the Insta Shield itself, it wraps Sonic in a shield attack for half a second that expands his attack range beyond his jump and lets him phase through certain attacks and projectiles without harm. There's a reason why Japan calls it the "Double Spin Attack" (W in Japan by itself usually means Double for its context)

>>389231551
The only crush deaths in TMZ that I can remember are those yellow rising/lowering things. They can be a bit cunty sometimes.

>>389223293
How do you know what we're talking about then you faggot

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is it possible for both Sonic endings to be Canon?

Bad Ending: Sonic remains in his dimension. The World goes to shit since Eggman still has the Phantom Ruby which leads to Sonic Force's situation.
Good Ending: Classic Sonic goes to save the Bad Ending's Future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eFEKK65gI8w

How about some actual artificial difficulty?

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>>389231928
No, this is the canon ending.

>>389231551
Something something CD.

Mania is more CD2 than a successor to 3K

>>389231928
I'm expecting classic Sonic to just go through another Phantom Ruby portal at the end of Forces going back to his dimension, just in time for Sonic ManiaX.