Does anyone still play this master piece in 2017?

I recently replayed it and I can confirm that /v/ is 100% correct when /v/ says that Mass Effect was never good.
It's mediocre at best. Points for trying, at least, it had potential.

Andromeda was gay as shit

>>389207459
I'm just talking about the 1st one I personally think Andromeda and 3 were garbage

>>389208016
It's still mediocre.
ME3 is garbage but still has the best combat and level design in the series. Haven't played Andromeda, looks like shit.

>>389207912
>This

>>389207162
I played through it recently, aside from the frame rate issues I thought it was great.

So long as you're still mad I'm still winning.

>>389207162
I tried Mass Effect recently after years of never being even slightly interested in this series because it looks so generic and bland. I tried it just for the sake of trying it and it was just as generic and bland as I thought it would be. Shit series.

>>389209269
Hmm. I thought that too until I tried it. I loved it

Just goes to prove /v/ is a bunch of plebs. ME1 is a classic.

>>389209895
Agreed

I've always been torn about Mass Effect. The universe it comprises is interesting, if a little cliche, but the execution of everything that presents that universe is laughably bad.

>>389209895
Mass Effect 1 was normie tier when it released, Anon. Bioware's only good games were the Baldur's Gate series.

>>389207162
In hindsight, the series is not god-awful like the memes would have you believe.

It's probably better to play it now than when it was new and exciting because the dust has settled and not everyone is throwing a huge hissy-fit about Bioware's hackjob "writing" staff.

ME1 is great.
2 is absolute dogshit and permanently ruined the series.
3 is better than 2 by a wide margin but still crap compared to 1.
Andromeda is the second best by virtue of it being so fucking terrible it doubles around to kusoge enjoyment.

>>389210849
It's funny that despite ME3 having fucking awful writing and that shitfest of an ending its combat is so good you can consider it better than ME2, which just has shit everything.

>>389210273
being a normie in 2007 was a lot more fun than being one now. trust me.

>>389210175
The writing is hilariously poor, I could barely get through this trash because of the main story missions.

Any good mods for the pc version? Does it even have modding support?

>>389207162
1 was shit, 2 was the best.

Only neo-/v/ will argue against this.

>>389211080
ME3 also had the really fun multiplayer. Plus the shock of ME2 completely ruining the lore and the gameplay of the series had settled in more so I judged 3 less harshly. And it did some things right like buff non-Vanguard classes and bring back weapon modding.

>>389211337
Nowadays, I just completely ignore the shit writing and just judge ME3 as a third-person shooter instead of an RPG.
And it's a damn good third-person shooter.

>>389210849
>>389211080
>>389211337
>>389211590

This amount of shit taste could fell a nation.

>>389211690
t. Gears of War babby who never read the Codex

ME2 is and always will be dogshit

I don't know what anyone saw in it. It was a mish mash of space show tropes, and if it was a TV show instead it would have gotten shit reviews

>>389211741
You're unironically defending ME3. You lose by default.

Now please, hang yourself from the highest oak.

>>389211741
A Gears of War baby could probably notice how fucking awful ME2's combat is.
Unless you're that much of a normalfag that you played on the piss easy difficulties and never tried the biotic classes or something.

fuck I hate niggers

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>>389207162
I recently played it a few months ago and i don't understand why people love Tali. The devs try to push her as the cute little cinnamon roll that everyone loves (to the point where the resident racist in ME1 says she loves her) but the second anyone dares to say that the geth might not be 1000% in the wrong she throws a massive hissy fit and will go off to sulk in a corner. I understand there isn't any reasoning with waifufags, but i'm still surprised that nobody has ever brought up how much of a blind bitch she can be when she isn't acting like a cute little mascot for the ship.

>>389211925
M-MUH ENDING
M-MUH HEPLER

The combat is way better than 2, it has more features and content than 2, as well as more memorable set pieces, plus it had a decent multiplayer tacked on top.

Just because I'm saying it's better doesn't mean I'm defending it. I still consider ME1 to be the only good game in the series, I just consider 3 better than 2 because it is.

>>389212185
>MUH MEME
shut the fuck up

>>389211832
>if it was a TV show
you realize you're talking about a game where the player gets to decide the storyline? that would be like a TV show where the audience can choose what happens next, and if that existed it would be insanely popular.

>>389212185
Neo /v/ ladies and gents.

>>389212286
don't act dumb, you know what I meant

>>389207162
I would if I had it on soemthing I could play

>>389211832
If ME1 was a TV show it would have been received warmly, and ME2 would have been completely shit on for making absolutely zero sense and literally hundreds of retcons

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>>389212185
Personally, I believe that as RPG games (which they were meant to be):
ME1 = ME2 > ME3
I don't think that ME1 is on the same "level" as ME2, though. It's just that each game has different strengths and weaknesses and it just kinda balances out. ME3 is where everything goes to shit and there's no denying that.
The thing is, ME3 has great gameplay as a third-person shooter and if you just pick it up and play it (ignoring the rest of the series or just not caring about the writing) you can have a blast.
Bottom line is: if you want a good TPS game, I would definitely recommend ME3. Now, if you want a good RPG, I would probably recommend Deus Ex because Mass Effect is fucking overrated anyways.

Also here's some attention grabbing .gif

>>389212420
Except there aren't any because you haven't played the games.

>>389212420
Except ME2 was rated higher you retard.

Even in that regard, ME1 was inferior.

>>389212363
yeah and you didn't think it through entirely. happens to me sometimes, nothing to be ashamed of. when you're writing two different stories parallel to one another and they both have to end up in the same place, you're going to see a cliche here and there.

Is anyone going to mention how Bioware simply rehashed the Kotor story?

I was replaying it last night. Opened up a save file I started late last year and I regret not going with soldier this time around. The class I'm playing is too squishy.

>>389209895
Hear, hear

>>389212702
The point was TV critics aren't complete hacks like video game """critics""" and would actually notice how ME2 completely shit on the story and had loads of terrible retcons.

>>389212757
BioWare has been rehashing the same story and concepts for years so its no surprise

>>389212850
and yet it was a better game

tough shit me1 fags

>>389212967
Explain how it was better then

>>389212609
How in fuck is ME2 a good RPG when they cut the amount of skills you have down to literally 1/4th of what the original game was, completely ruined the lore with loads of awful retcons, had a meandering story that was just a roadtrip to pick up more party members culminating in a laughable anti-climax, COMPLETELY REMOVED the inventory and weapon modding systems, and changed the combat to be 100% a shitty third person shooter.

Fuck, you don't even get experience points and level up. How is it as good an RPG as the first, and how is it a better one than the third?

>>389207162
Why the fuck would I when not only were its sequels exponentially worse, they actively work to undermine any purpose to playing this overrated garbage to begin with?

>>389213186
>they actively work to undermine any purpose to playing this overrated garbage to begin with?
this. ME1 is a good game but there is sincerely no point in playing it due to how absolutely terrible the sequels are.

>>389213128
>Fuck, you don't even get experience points and level up

this is bait, right?

>>389213350
You don't gain experience points during gameplay that hit a cap and give you points to spend.

You gain a single upgrade point to spend at the end of a mission, it's incredibly limiting and doesn't reward you at all for exploration, lore-reading, or killing enemies like the first one did.

>>389212996
why so you can make an inane "retort" where you just greentext "lol ur dum?"

no thanks

>>389213493
Or you could make an actual argument so we can have actual discussions on a board about fucking discussing video games you fucking faggot

>>389213572
or I could just not entertain your stupidity

I'll go with that

>>389207162
i replay the entire trilogy once a year or so, and i love it every time
damn shame about andromeda though

I loved mass effect 1 but it's aged quite badly, the mako/side missions got painful as fuck

as far as I'm concerned the only true sequel to Mass Effect 1 is Alpha Protocol

>>389213896
I like to think of Alpha Protocol as a Deus Ex prequel.

>>389207162
Story was interesting gameplay was pretty boring desu but the story drove the series with lots of half-way decent shit going on that held your interest. nu/v/ is full of fucking faggots the writing was good it wasnt the best.

>>389212185

But 3 had inferior characters and plot

>>389214862
It had better gameplay and didn't ruin the story like 2 did. It didn't fix the story but the series was already completely fucked over by 2, so I judge 2 much more harshly for the plot.

>>389207162
No, because the third game ruined the series forever. It retroactively turned the other two games into flaming piles of shit, and if you start with ME1, you're inevitably going to go there.
Fuck you for reminding me of this. It will never stop hurting.

>>389215071
>and didn't ruin the story like 2 did
You fucking bet it did. Both ME2 and ME3 retconned shit, and ME3 retconned the most. Only because ME2 did it first doesn't mean ME3 gets a free pass.

>>389209895
Oh yeah all those sidequests with the same cookie cutter buildings and sections were great! Driving the mako around giant areas of nothing, most of which weren't flat and and the mako having trash handling, made for a great experience! And who could forget the joys of spending 20 minutes managing your 'inventory' turning everything into omni-gel just to make room.

>>389215202
In my opinion ME2 doing it first is the far worse offense because it gave them carte blanche to give even less of a fuck for the sequel.

that said I only played through ME3 twice because 2 had made me hate the series and EA and Bioware so much already, so I couldn't really tell you what retcons there were in it.

>>389212180

I bring up how shit she is as a character on /v/ every chance I get it, but my objectively correct opinion is merely a boulder among the rapids.

>>389213896
why, the dialogue? they had different philosophies though. in mass effect you sit there and think about your decisions, they even had specific animations for when shepard was contemplating a difficult choice. in alpha protocol it's all about the heat of the moment, quick thinking and wit.

>>389215408
That's very ignorant and you don't understand why.

>>389207162
beat it for the first time last year. i liked it. i tried playing it on xbox 360 years ago and wasnt feeling it at all. then i played on PC and fixed the textures and just enjoyed the mouse and keyboard control for it so much more.

>>389215408
Trust me, ME3 did it far worse. It completely shits on lore that was added in ME2, even. Some examples I can think of are
>me2 establishes the geth want to go combine mode and create a dyson sphere
>me3 recyles I WANNA BE A REAL BOY story
>me2 establishes genophage was spread by supply drops, water, and stuff
>me3 pulls the shroud out of the ass
>me2 establishes a weird chain of command for the mercenary factions
>me3 completely shits all over it
>me2 expands on cerberus (while still retconning stuff)
>me3 they just stop caring
>THE FUCKING ENDING

>>389215471
Alpha Protocol expanded further on the RPG aspects and added stealth and melee elements while still keeping the clunky as all fuck third person shooter aspects.

And as far as I know they're the only two games that play remotely like what they do, that insanely clunky TPS tacked onto an RPG. Alpha Protocol at the very least resembles Mass Effect 1 MUCH more than Mass Effect 2 does.

>>389215654
Oh so ME3 is just retconning stuff ME2 established? Because ME2 was basically 100% retconning stuff the first game established. That makes ME3 better because ME2's lore isn't worth respecting in the first place.

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nothing beats the feeling of being a renegade alignment Spectre in ME1

>give me your guns
>*draws guns* I'm a Spectre, you lower your guns or we'll kill you and whoever else we need.
>it checks out... c-c'mon in

>2 goofs draw guns
>we just killed a room filled with idiots like you, what chance do you think you have?
>they look at each other, then lower their guns

the only thing that comes close is near the endgame in Witcher 1 when you say you're going to try to solve the problem before people start fighting

>give me an hour, I'll talk to them
>fuck off Witcher, me and my 4 underlings will not let you through
>try me
>you wouldn't
>...you would
>y-you have 1 hour

>>389215409
The problem is almost all of the female waifu options are so fucking horrible (i've only played Mass Effect 1&2, so i don't know about 3) that she is automatically one of the best. Miranda is an obnoxious piece of shit, Jack is Jack, Samara isn't really an option, Ashley is a xenophobic dipshit in the game where all the good characters are aliens, Liara is probably one of the better contenders for the waifubowl even though she's boring as fuck.

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rate my Shepard

>>389207162
just recently finished an all achievements run of it, love this fucking game and always will.

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>>389215654
>me3 they just stop caring [about Ceberus]
They went from a complex political organization operating like a sect of spies to God Almighty being able to wage war on the entire Alliance.

>>389216107
Still looks a little Asian just like every attempt to make a custom Shepard (seriously why does the game do this?) but good otherwise.

it's too bad the male character editor for these games is so fucking terrible. My attempt to make myself resulted in what I might look like if I was a 43 year old Asian man so I just played femshep instead.

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>asian
c'mon dude, he's squint eyed like Clint Eastwood from Gran Torino

>>389216193
I can still buy the half-assed explanation with Horizon but what bothers me the most is that they went from morally ambiguous human supremacists to "muh cerberus is eeeevil" Saturday morning cartoon villains

>>389216107
Nice work, anon. Will probably get all fucked when importing to ME2.

>>389216049
>talking shit on Jack
Admittedly I probably only liked her as much as I did because her design and the fact that she hated Miranda as much as I did, but still.

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>people who fell for the "mass effect 3 is a bad game" meme
It's unironically the best in the series, not even baiting. It has some rough patches like the terrible eavesdrop sidequests and original non extended ending, but it finished the rest of the story arcs like the Genophage and retake of Rannoch beautifully. ME3 also brought closure to a lot of character arcs, unfortunately some characters like Ashley got shafted by writer changes though.

You can bitch about how ME3 ruined gaming for you all you want, it's still a great addition to the trilogy, all three of them have their flaws.

>>389216505
Rannoch's writing was fucking horrible

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>>389216451
it went bad on ME2, then ME3 gave me the finger and said that since I'm playing it since 1 I'd have to remake my Shepard

yes, I mad

>>389216484
I could've broke up the fight peacefully and i still sided with Jack. Miranda is a bitch and i'd rather have a gay Garrus romance option than her's because of how awful she is Also if Garrus had a gay romance option that means he'd have more shit to do than checking calibrations.

>>389211925
me3 simultaneously has the best and worst parts of the trilogy in it, it's not completely trash.

>>389216669
My female Shepard turned into complete shit when importing to ME2 but strangely looked good again when imported to ME3.
I don't know how they fucked up the character creation so much, I just stopped bothering and just go with default Shepard now.

Did ME3 have any explanation for the player losing all their levels and being able to reclass?

>>389216738
It's amazing how in both ME1 and 2 the main female party member is the worst character in either game. No idea how they achieved that.

I've played through ME1 over 30 times and not once has Ashley not ended up being a crater.

>>389216505
Genophage stuff and the multiplayer were the only good things about it. I wasn't offended by it because I'm not a hype drone but the rest of the game was really mediocre, the beam run and everything after it were especially bad.

>>389216851
you don't lose your levels when you import to ME3

My OCD has gotten worse in the past few years so I want to play it again but it stresses me out :(

>>389216505
Fucking kill yourself

>>389209895
Shit gameplay, shit quests, open worlds were empty fields with the same building copy and pasted somewhere in the planet.

>>389216820
When I got to 3 shit got weird because my femshep looked almost exactly like Traynor.

>>389207162
ive never played the first one, only 2 and 3
2 being the first one I played and my favorite of the two
I've always wanted to play ME1, is it any good compared to 2?
why does /v/ hate ME2 so much?

>>389207162
Played it for the first time in 2016 - it was great.

>>389217310
it's Dragon Age in space, as opposed to ME2 and 3 which are poor man's third person shooters

>>389217310
2 gutted most of the inventory stuff and rpg stats and made it more of a third person shooter.

>>389207459
I also played recently and the game is very good, I would rate it a 8.5/10.

You may say the combat is shit, but the characters and world building are the best from it's era.

>>389217179
the quests were awesome, they just suffered from the samey environments. you don't like landing on some remote planet at the edge of the galaxy, and finding an illegal laboratory where cerberus abandoned the results of their experiments with human subjects? or docking with a lost freighter and discovering that some crazy bitch killed the whole crew and is keeping her boyfriend on life support?

>>389217519
World building and lore were pretty good but I wouldn't say that for characters. For example, Tali was pretty much the quarian codex and Garrus barely had a personality. It was in ME2 where we actually got good squad interactions

>>389217665
No because the interior of ships and buildings in planets is exactly the same.
Plus, gunplay was trash.

>/v/ constantly shits on DA2 for recycling the same maps over and over
>its ok when ME1 does it
ME1 is still better but this is simply retarded

>>389216669

Fuck that sucks. I played ME 1 & 2 on the 360 with a custom Shepherd face. When I got ME 1 & 2 off of steam I was unable to recreate the face. The voice does not fucking sound right coming from a different face.

>>389217310
ME1 is an RPG first and foremost with third person shooting elements.

ME2 is literally just shitty Gears of War.

>let's trade our infinite ammo guns for finite ammo guns with absolutely no positive benefits
I hope everyone involved with Mass Effect 2 fucking dies.

>>389218789
Thermal clips were originally a limited use consumable to skip the overheat. EA probably forced them to change it because muh market research.

>>389207162
Why was this boring and Generic as fuck franchise even liked in the first place? It harnessed all the boring, gay and un-original shit from cliche 70's movies and compressed it into this game.

>>389219263
please show me a bette space RPG anon, if you think ME is shit I can't wait to play what you consider good

>>389218789
>liking the overheat mechanic

how to spot a contrarian 101

>>389219613
>liking limited ammo over unlimited ammo
>not giving a fuck about the lore
>being too stupid to attach heat sinks to guns

spotted the 5 year old Cawadoody babby they probably used to playtest ME2.

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>>389219465
While not a space make believe rpg this is an actual sci-fi rpg that was pretty innovative with the sci-fi scene showcasing lots of technological wonders and horrors.

>>389212889
I just played Kotor for the first time ever this year, and I had watched my gf (now wife) play through the ME series and I was a little tiny bit let down by kotor because I had seen all this stuff in ME.

Obviously they did it all in Kotor first but I experienced them out of order.

>>389219796
KotOR lets you be way more atrociously evil though, and the best part is it's usually played for black comedy.

>>389219727
>being too stupid to attach heat sinks to guns

Anon, that's literally what you're doing the whole game.

>yells at anon for not knowing the lore
>gets said lore wrong

Sit down and shut up, faggot.

It's one of my favorite games of all time, never played the DLC, was thinking about going back and playing through 100% renegade and DLC.

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>>389219864
It's true. I am always good but I keep that evil droid in my party. I apparently did the planets out of order and got in that court case without the dude from tatooine and my mate laughed at me when I was bitching about not being able to win the court case. Lol

I haven't beaten it, but I know that I am Revan. Tatooine is the last planet I have left.

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>>389219784
I want space

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiRAT0-mnPQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9f_CfpCnESA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AURrosz7CxY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0OhKO2bu1s

I want this atmosphere, give me something that can top ME1, not stand by its side, and I will forget ME1

>>389219613
regardless, it was described at length in the codex. you can't just change that. well, you can. but if you do, you're a faggot.

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>>389219796
>and I had watched my gf (now wife)
Thanks for reminding, I guess

>>389220370
Yes, and then in the codex they explained that it was changed because it was stupid.

>he would rather have shitty gameplay than a slightly awkward addition to the lore

>>389220195
Are there even any other space RPGs other than BioWare shit

>>389220550
but it wasn't stupid, it was quite possibly the most brilliant technology that anyone has ever invented. what was that line in the first game's codex? it could turn a paint chip into a nuclear bomb?

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Why is she so perfect

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>>389220602
It's incredibly hard to make an actual rpg with black isle studios fallout level of quality because you'd have to stretch how far and how big the playable world is. Space is only a genre for sims. I'd rather it be on one planet so I can explore cool cities like the Boneyard, discover 200 year old nightmares and meet fully fleshed out and interesting characters like Graham and Lanius.

>>389220734
>thinking that technology changed

Stop bitching about the lore changing if you don't understand how the lore changed.

I swear ME brings out the worst fucking retards who will try to shit all over the game and be completely wrong about everything.

>>389220886
I'm still mad I didn't get my space bounty hunting Prey 2

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>>389220474
>get into screaming arguments that sometimes lead us both to physically hurt ourselves to calm down
>literally barely afford anything outside of rent, food, and supplies for daughter
>wife has trouble bonding with daughter, can barely go 2 hours without getting unreasonably upset with our daughter (unreasonably by her own admission)
>I have to be the one to help our daughter every night when she wakes up crying
>daughter goes to sleep around 10 each night, then wakes up around 2, then 6, then 8
>I take care of our daughter night and day, wife has more hours at work than I do, yet I'm told I don't contribute besides the fact I spend more time with our daughter then she does
>both of us in therapy, both depressed, I have ADHD and anxiety, wife is bpd and anxiety

I don't regret having a daughter and don't blame her and am not whining or bitching, I'd give my life for her, I'm just telling you all this in hopes it makes you feel less as bad for not having a gf.

(And maybe because I maybe needed to tell someone)

>>389220986
it was in the same file that discussed the ammo blocks, i remember that much. didn't bother reading most of ME2's codex because what's the fucking point if 70% of it is unlocked from the very first second.

>>389217919
to be fair, DA2 was more egregious because there were far fewer maps in total
ME1 recycles the shit out of spaceships and colonial buildings, but you've got several fairly-interesting worlds to explore, and open spaces on uncharted worlds that are different (even if they're barebones)
DA2 wasn't quite as bad as people here sometimes say, and I actually liked kirkwall, but the sheer number of quests taking place either in "That Cave," "That Coast," or "That Back Alley" is staggering

>>389207162
I did a whole trilogy run in anticipation for Andromeda.

Too bad Andromeda was so disappointing.

>>389216738

How exactly is she a bitch besides "s-she's not timid and sweet like my waifus"?

I don't get why people are being elitists over the "rpg elements" in Mass Effect. None of the Mass Effect games are RPGs in the first place, especially not 1. There are individual Musous with more routes and endings than the entire Mass Effect and Witcher trilogies combined.

>>389216049
>Ashley is a xenophobic dipshit in the game where all the good characters are aliens

Literally all of the bad characters were aliens too though. Cerberus had nothing at all to do with the Reapers in ME1- every other villain without exception was non-human.

>>389221108
I got noone in my life but work and since I'm self employed I work alone, loneliness is tough after 7 years now.
Still good that you get help and hope everything turns better soon for you and your family

>>389221560
she actually has opinions, which reminds /v/ too much of real women and therefore triggers them
same reason people here hate on me1 ashley

>Start new save file
>Have existential crisis over which class to spend the next 12+ hours playing
>worry about which waifu to pick for the entirety of Eden Prime
>Get to Citidel
>"Alright, this is a good stopping point"
>Don't play again for 6 months
>Repeat

>>389221705
i think people here hate on ashley because she hates on the disgusting creatures that they want to feel inside of them.

>>389221645
Honestly, 3 has the best RPG system anyways. You can create more interesting builds with each class, whereas with 1 you were forced to play the same way no matter what your build was, and all your abilities felt weak.

>>389221851
Truth. Every class boiled down to getting the spectre version of your weapon class of choice, then getting marksman/etc. to hold mouse 1 for 40 seconds to whittle down the health of the health sponge generic mook and then move on to the next one.

>>389222029
If you were an adept you could have some fun with ragdolling everything, or go Soldier and max immunity so you can become FUCKING INVINCIBLE, but all in all there's just not enough variety in what you're doing. If you go Infiltrator you still end up using your pistol 80% of the time, for example.

>>389222029
if you had played the game extensively you would have eventually discovered better weapons than the Spectre lot.

>>389220550
Yes changing to finite ammo is so much better than having infinite ammo, dear lord the engineering and logistics geniuses who came up with such a plan.

surely every military would want finite ammo and not infinite ammo. Surely. That totally makes sense.

>>389222249
Except this is false because I've played the game more than you.

>>389222313
being able to quickly reload and start shooting again > waiting for your gun to cool down

and again, if you find yourself running out of ammo, you are shit at the game

>>389221705
people hate on Ashley because she's a religious space racist and also the most useless party member in the game.
She's a shit character, they didn't give her any redeeming quality to balance out her being a useless bitch. even Miranda had more positive qualities.

>>389222313
Ammo in ME1 is only a gameplay convention because their weapons do run out of ammo eventually, they rely on a block of metal in the weapons from which tiny grains are shaved off to form a projectile. That is not changed from Mass Effect 1 to 2, only the way the heat is vented from waiting for it to cool of to simply swapping in a fresh thermal clip to instantly cool it.

>>389222464
it's amazing how much wrong can be in one post

>>389220807
>Stuck in an awful, now dead sequel
It's not fair.

>>389222438
if you had the correct weapon mods or weren't trying to be Rambo John J. you wouldn't be overheating the first place, or the overheat would only last as long as a reload.

It still makes no sense. Let alone shit like people who have been stranded on a planet for decades having heat sink weapons, or the entire galaxy somehow switching to heat sinks.
Plus the game just says YEP WE SWITCHED TO THE GETH SYSTEMS BECAUSE THE GETH SYSTEMS WERE BETTER. Despite the fact that the Geth were shit tier cannon fodder and got their asses kicked, they're never shown reloading their guns with clips, and they don't show any positive tradeoff. You'd think there'd be a scene like "Ha! Their old weapons are overheating! Reload and charge in!" to show it off, or even "These Collectors have different armor/shielding and we needed to make better guns with limited ammo to fight them off!"

But they just didn't care, and that about sums up Mass Effect 2, they blatantly didn't care about any of the first game's accomplishments or fans and just tried to make Gears of War with space travel.

>>389222602
Ashley in combat has crap abilities that buff her weapon effectiveness temporarly, abilities she's generally too dumb to use. Relying on her AI to shoot the enemies is much worse than relying on allies to use actual targeted abilities that have instant effect.

Outside of combat she's completely incapable of doing anything, she's unable to open locked doors or chests.

Because ME1 is so fucking broken it's generally only worth it to have Wrex and Kaiden in the party, both of them have the best abilities in the game, are pretty tanky, and Kaiden can open both kinds of locked chests.
And if you don't want to use them you're better off with Liara, Garrus, or Tali because Garrus and Tali can open doors and Liara has access to Biotics which are gamebreaking.

Ashley just has nothing going for her. Plus she tries to kill my nigga Wrex, she hates on Garrus despite him being based, and she's a religious zealot despite it being the sci-fi future.

>>389221675
>Literally all of the bad characters were aliens too though
Kaidan
Ashley
Miranda
Jacob
Udina

I'd say about half the humans that have names and a role in the story whatsoever are assholes.

>>389222904
Pretty good summary, all in all. You forgot the part in Mass Effect 3 where if she gets shot she'll say she hopes she sees you and the rest of the galaxy burn in hell before she dies. I'll probably screencap what you said and keep it around for when Ashley-fags start getting bold.

>>389221675
>Literally all of the bad characters were aliens too though
Liara, Garrus, and Tali are nothing but nice and supportive, and Wrex is based and had a personal stake in the Virmire mission.

meanwhile The Illusive Man, you know the guy who ended up being the main villain, human. Kai Leng? human. Ambassador Udina? Human.
not to mention other notable assholes like Ashley and Miranda. Humans.

>>389221108
You have someone that gives enough of a shit about you to argue with you and then still try to work things out. You've passed on your genetics too. These are things I don't have, and don't think I will have, not because of some limitation regarding my body or looks, but purely because I don't think I'm a normal human being capable of love.

You are blessed in your hardships.

>>389222701
yeah but that gun still does shit damage

heat sinks are everywhere as part of gameplay

people are shown reloading clips

geth are not shit tier play ME1 again

the positive tradeoff is that guns aren't ass

>>389222420
no, it's not false. those weapons aren't very much better than Spectre weapons, but they are better. you have to be a very high level to find them, probably 60.

>>389222904
She's a great tank, Garrus dies quickly on insanity. Having her and Wrex act as meatshields is the best way to play insanity if you're not a soldier.

Also everything you said at the end is 100% wrong.

>>389223529
The best way to play on Insanity is the best way to play on every difficulty: Adept Kaiden Wrex, and you use the optional extra skill to get Electronics to boost the fuck out of your shields and be a little more meaty

Biotics simply absolutely fuck over everything in the entire game to a ludicrous degree. You can infinite juggle the final boss, let alone almost every other enemy.

>>389223519
And they're 10 points better in one stat while being 90 points worse in another stat. Please reeducate yourself.

>>389223529
please tell me how she doesn't hate the aliens on your crew or how she's not religious or how she didn't try to kill Wrex.

>>389216049
Ashley's attitude towards aliens was completely reasonable. She wasn't xenophobic or racist; she just correctly pointed out that the aliens had divergent interests from humans in many cases and would look out for themselves first, and that humanity therefore can't assume that aliens will always be reliable when shit goes down. It goes both ways too, as Renegade Shep proves when he lets the council get blown up by Sovereign.

I swear sometimes it's like none of you people even read the dialogue trees.

>>389223740
i didn't "educate myself". unlike you, i actually got the satisfaction of finding these weapons in the game, not looking at them in a wiki. and this isn't exactly a sophisticated shooter we're talking about here. there's only one weapon stat that matters.

>>389223896
Anon. I've got those weapons because I've played longer and more than you have. Spectre weapons are the best all around weapons. You didn't stop at the Spectre 7s and not get the Spectre 10s, did you?

>>389223845
She's an idiot for assuming any one of your alien crew members was associated with alien governments anyways. Garrus was a fucking mall cop, Tali is some bitch you find in an alley, Liara is an independent archeologist, and Wrex is some guy you find in a bar.

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On my third playthrough in 2 weeks

>>389224385
Small time. 900 hours here.

>>389223993
i've played a lot and i'm not a fool, i wouldn't have switched to those guns if didn't think they would give me an advantage, however miniscule.

>>389224334
She's a rigid doctrinaire military type, so she's probably more prejudiced against random riffraff being recruited to the crew of a super-advanced spaceship than she is against aliens per se. Tali in particular would be a reasonable target of suspicion, since she comes from a culture that is known to encourage and reward the theft of aliens' technological secrets.

>>389222528
Ammo in the lore was always finite but the difference is that the system (as the lore described it) made ammo effectively limitless in any series of fire fights. The argument of being able to slap a new thermal clip in to instantly cool it also doesn't sound any better because you could always just NOT hold down the trigger forever. You could just take sort intervals to stop firing and let the weapon cool down. It doesn't take any longer than reloading would unless you're an idiot and actually manage to let it overheat. Not to mention, why can't thermal clips cool down? They're just heatsinks so wouldn't they still cool down on their own after a period of rest? Couldn't you also just reuse thermal clips you ejected if you let them cool? And why does the thermal clip system display the numbers as if it were an ammo system with each gun not only having a unique value but even some guns spending that value in increments larger than 1? The system is just broken and the way it functions doesn't even really match the lore that well. They designed it like an ammo system and then panicked when they realized it fucked up the lore and tacked a half assed explanation for it on to cover it up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7ll6AI57Us
I can still vividly remember the first time getting to Ilos and legitimately getting chills due to the atmosphere and this song. Such a perfect climax for the game.

too bad EA had to go and buy Bioware and parade around their carcass and the series never went anywhere.

>>389223317

>literally doesn't address what I said in any way
>strawmans vigorously

Just proving my point about "muh waifu" shit.

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>Default Male Soldier Shepard is the true choice
I don't think any game has yet matched the atmosphere that ME1 had

The one saving grace of ME3 was "No Shepard without Vakarian"

>>389223056
>Kaidan
>Ashley
>Miranda
>Jacob
>Udina

Am I supposed to inherently know what this is a list of? Jacob was a villain?

>>389226085
The prize, Shepard. The priiiiiiiiize.

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>>389212180
Only desperate waifufags who were into walking encyclopedias with an accent liked Tali. They also tended be assfags that had a warped idea of her hip ratio due to NSFW fanart. This was somewhat common knowledge in the playerbase before ME3 came out, but it was cemented with that early DLC leak about her doing karaoke.

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Reminder to mod the ini for the speed cheat
https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=236181721
Great way to cut out all the walking sequences for faster runs

Also to download the texture pack (which also exist for the sequels)
http://www.nexusmods.com/masseffect/mods/1/?

>>389222602
If you say so, Ashleyfag.

>>389224334
>She's an idiot for assuming any one of your alien crew members was associated with alien governments anyways.

A fool would dismiss the possibility out of hand.

>we're a team of black ops specialists and one alien among our ranks has betrayed us already (Saren)

>But surely I should give all these other aliens whom I have never met before the benefit of the doubt and assume none of their motivations are self-serving

This is what waifufags ACTUALLY believe.

>>389226860
other tweaks
http://masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/PC_Tweaks#Game_Engine_.28BioEngine.ini.29

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>>389213896
my nigga
best character coming through

Is ME2 a good game, just not a good Mass Effect game?

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>ME:A killed the series until the inevitable reboot in 2027
>we'll never go back to the pre-ME3 Milky Way and play a merc/SpecTRe sidequel game without the Reaper nonsense
It hurts bros

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>>389207162
I preordered the $70 deluxe dicking edition of MEA like a fucking idiot fanboy, played that shit to 100% just to scope it all out, all the while waiting for some part to make it feel like it was worth the wait and the money, and that moment never came.

Now I see the game, the same edition I bought for 70, is available for $25 bucks.

So what I asks is, WHO DO I GOTTA FUCKING KILL TO GET MY GODDAMN TIME AND MONEY BACK

>>389227881
more like
>Mass Effect 2 killed the series
>we will never go back to the pre-EA days of Bioware

>>389211286
1 had its moments, but 2 comes along and makes everything better and more streamline
>having to micro manage everything between Shepard and the others
fuck that noise. 2 had a better leveling system than 1 or 3

>>389228204
go play Gears of War of Vanquish or Binary Domain or SpecOps The Line or Dark Sector or any other by the numbers generic cover shooter

>ME1 renegade
>professional and strict

>ME2 renegade
>just an asshole

I'll never forgive this

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>ME2's speech check system
Who thought this was a good idea? It just forces you to be a fucking extremist if you want to be persuasive.

>>389228594
It was the same thing in the first game, only sometimes if you PERFECTLY followed a conversation tree (ie looked up an FAQ) you could bypass it.

That said the lack of grey options is a problem in most RPGs in general, it was the same way in KotOR 1 and 2.

>>389228710
Not strictly true. If you had the skill points you could pass the checks, which meant on New Game+ you could go renegade but hit all the Charm options, for example. ME2 bases your Charm/Intimidate on your P/R points out of the total you could have earned, so there's no flexibility at all (except for in the early game if you import).

>>389228335
had a couple good moments, like when you trick the batarian scum.

>>389216345

Apparently you didn't play ME1, because they were Saturday morning cartoon villains from the start. Two of Shepard's possible origin variables are tied to cunty things Ceberus is responsible for.

Morally ambiguous human supremacists is just a shitty retcon like 90% of ME2.

>>389228265
Or just 3, if we're going by that horse shit
RPGs where the different stats actually come into play NEED the micro management, in ME, combat is cover-based shooting, so you really don't need the deep upgrade system 1 had OR the skeletal A or B upgrades from 3

>>389227774

Tentative yes. If it had been the first ME game, it would be hailed as one of the greatest science fiction games ever made.

>>389229879
sadly it already is, EA must have really paid out the ass for those reviews, that or gaming """"journalists"""" were insanely casual and didn't get the first game.

>>389207162

Just finished playing it a few days ago on PC.

>level design is still as atrocious as I remember
>side quests are lame
>combat isn't as bad as I remember; it grows on you
>combat is fucking broken since no matter build you choose on any difficulty, the game will be a cakewalk by level 20

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>>389213128

>COMPLETELY REMOVED the inventory and weapon modding systems

You write this as though it were a bad thing.

>>389229986

I'd imagine that a.) most journalists played it on casual, b.) don't actually care about lore details or the retcons, and c.) probably didn't want to rock the boat where the devs/publisher is concerned.

ME2 has a lot to like. You gather up a team of specialists, deal with their baggage (or not), and the choice of rushing the main story or playing it slow and steady and completing sidequests and getting upgrades ultimately DOES have an effect on the ending (and the next game, to a small extent).

It's just a shame that they pruned weapons/upgrades too much, retconned things that didn't need retconning (Cerberus could have literally been the same thing with a different name - and then later we could have found out Ceberus from ME1 was an arm of Not!Cerberus), and the stupid Paragon/Renegade system being all kinds of fucked up doesn't help.

It's too bad that getting everyone killed in the suicide mission doesn't really alter ME3 that much. It's a little more depressing, and some other people die instead (Kirrahe instead of Thane, for example), but the biggest change is that you have a smaller pool of squadmates.

It's so lonely without Garrus.

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We can all agree Wrex was the best, yes?

>>389207162
story missions, especially the ending mission were cool
side quests were pure fucking cancer
2 > 1

The Mass Effect series must be one of the most overhyped, overrated ones out there. Jesus Christ what snorefests.

2>3>1>/=Andromeda
Only saying the andromeda bit cause I haven't finished t yet.

>>389217842
Go play fucking shooters you pleb.
That anon is talking about the story and you're droning on about the fucking scenes and shit.