FFXV DLC will not be integrated into the main game

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>j-just wait for the complete deluxe edition guys!!

>>389201926
Who care about plot-holes when the core of the story is boring as fuck.

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>>389201926
This game was a fucking disgrace, I waited literally years for it to come out, and due to the Normie Pandering it constantly tried to do, they ruined it.
Yet in the most fucked up of ways, it was a success financially, the normies ate this shit up.
And now SE knows this format 'works' they'll do it again.

And People say XIII was the bad game, at least that game was complete....

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Thanks for your money, faggots.

>>389204742

No problem. I love the game. My first FF.

FFXV is fundamentally broken in terms of story/gameplay (primarily the combat but the retarded driving doesn't help either). It doesn't matter what's added onto the main game, to be unfucked it has to be remade which at this point fuck it and move onto XVI

>>389203525
>Complete
>Took two more unnecessary games to finish the story

>>389203525
yeah, a complete piece of shit. At least the main game dungeons in XV were fun as was pitioss, 13 is consistently trash throughout

>>389201926
>All those cucks who kept saying the DLC will fill in the gaps

lmao

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How mad where you with pic related?

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>>389203525
>And People say XIII was the bad game, at least that game was complete.

a complete failure, XV is shit but has it's moments. Even half praises like this for FF13 are unacceptable

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>>389201926
>devs make a poll asking which DLC the fans want next
>Ardyn wins
>devs say they're not going to make any DLC for him

>>389205291
Anyone who says VIII is bad is a loser

>>389205646
everything in 8 is shit outside the ost

>>389205680
nah bruh

>>389203525
XIII is bad. Not horrible, but definitely subpar. XV isn't great but it's better than XIII. The XIII sequels however are better than XV.

>>389205680
VIII is fantastic and probably the best of PS1 games.

>>389205743
The only time the plot in VIII sounds even a little good is if you believe the Squall is dead theory

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>>389205556
Wait, really? ...You're shitting me, aren't you? Please tell me in greentext that I just fell for your master ruse and that my vote for Ardyn in that poll wasn't thrown away like that.

>>389205912
http://onlysp.com/final-fantasy-xv-ardynn-dlc/

>During a Final Fantasy fan event in Cologne, Germany, director Hajime Tabata said the team is unsure how to tackle Ardyn’s story, but assured his lengthy tale is not coming via DLC. “We’re not sure as of yet how we’ll do it though–it’s a lot of story, and telling a character’s story is always the most difficult and detailed part of a game,” Tabata told attendees. “So we don’t know yet whether we’ll make it another game, no DLC though, it would be a full game, or a movie, comic, etc. We really want to tell his story though.”

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>>389201926
>So the game will eternally feel incomplete,
yep. truth be told the 2 DLCs so far didn't do alot. this is an rpg, if it's not in the game, it's not working.

>and will remain filled with plot-holes.
everything is explained somehow tho. the story is not complicated.

>>389204980
>FFXV is fundamentally broken in terms of story/gameplay

I really wonder if you people have even played the game. The story is delivered in a barebones way but it's still simple and pretty good. The gameplay is only bad if you compare it to an imaginary version in your head that never was real. get good.

>>389203135
>>j-just wait for the complete deluxe edition guys!!
people believing lies are missing out on the best feel good summer game.

>>389205291
>Even half praises like this for FF13 are unacceptable
What made me absolutely love XIII is that it's the absolute pleb filter !

>>389206110
XVfags are the biggest cucks

>>389205912
>my vote for Ardyn in that poll wasn't thrown away like that.

Are you mentally challenged ? Tabata said we are getting more than DLC, either a spin off/prequel game or a movie.

What the fuck happened to magic in this game? Why can't i cast any defensive spells or sleep or protect or cure? There's literally only 3 spells and its on a fucking timer and uses up a weapon slot

>>389205291
How is 2 worse than 1 or 3? They're all very bare bones and generic. People who claim 2 is the worst mainline FF or the worst out of the NES games have never played these games and are just repeating the meme.

The NES games are boring, simplistic and generic, but not offensive to one's tastes. SNES and PS1 games are all enjoyable and interesting in their own regard. The franchise peaks here and starts to go down with PS2 games. 13, 14 and 15 are a total attrocity. Square at this point has no vision whatsoever for the franchise beyond trying to milk it as much as possible.

>>389208928
t. I've never played FF2. FF2 is worse than bare bones and generic

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>>389209379
>FF2
>Generic

>>389209642
retard can't read, typical

>>389209704
It works unlike ANYTHING at the time, FF2 is literally the least generic game in the entire series.

>>389201926
But will the mobile game be integrated into it?

>>389209776
retard still doesn't understand, I'm saying it would be better if it was generic. Just like FF8, it's "innovations" were shit

>>389203525
XIII has a ton of cut content and most of the story was in datalogs. Some of the shit they made was like 99% complete, like the NORA base, and they still had to scrap it.

>>389201926
Thank God, I didn't buy this garbage.

People who bought this shit are getting cucked left and right.

>Inb4 pc version will be better.

It will most likely run bad on most modern day rigs, due to S.E's lackluster optimization for pc FF games

>>389205912
Why the fuck would anyone vote for Ardyn? Like, how would that ever have been a logical inclusion? His backstory gets explained at the end, and his whole character is predicated being mysterious and unknowable.
Shit, there'd be a better chance of Iris DLC.

>>389212506
you're right, but i needed closure on this 10 year bullshit. Spent 60 bucks on this piece of shit along with type-o HD for the demo. hilariously, I enjoyed type-0 more than FFXV. What a piece of shit. Get naoki yoshida on XVI

>>389212650
It was so unlikely that I thought Square Enix themselves were rigging the polls. People chose that over guest characters.

>>389212650
>Why the fuck would anyone vote for the best thing about FFXV?

what else was I going to vote for? the retarded girls only waifufags give a fuck about? the hard mode that would just inflate HP even more and not fix the shitty combat?

there was no option for more dungeons I may have picked that, however that could mean the good main game dungeons of the awful menace ones

>>389207112
Did feel pointless have an MP bar for just warping. Especially when using actual spells is more of a detriment until you get the ring.
But i guess with the combat system, being able to cast those kinds of spells would make it super EZ mode.

>>389212824
the game is already piss easy you can "die" and just use one of the 600 items in your inventory with 0 downside, it could have at least been more fun

>hey lets just keep pumping out DLC for this game and never make a complete version so anyone going back to play it just plays a disjointed shell of the fucking intended experience.

Tabatha you fucking faggot I will shit down your neck.

This "immersive time gated single player experience" horseshit needs to fucking end.

>>389212709
I also but type-0 for the demo but that was a waste too as I got so bored of it I didn't finish it thank god i didn't go max cuck because I realized by Uncovered the game was going to be trash so I never wasted my money.

>>389212805
>the best thing about FFXV
Indeed he was. But that's why DLC for him makes no sense. How would it even work when he's just an immortal and ultra powerful?
Best way to do it would be a Ravus or Aranea DLC where you work with him a bit.

>>389206195
this smells like XV-kun ban evading

>>389213012
>How would it even work when he's just an immortal and ultra powerful?

see>>389212991

noctis is essentially immortal gameplay wise, just focus on making it fun

>>389203195
This. People who actually care about the trash story/characters enough to even want a "finished version" and actually think it will make it any less shit were retarded in the first place and also have shit taste. XVfags are the biggest cucks I swear.

>>389213108
or his tulpa or a XV-kun lite, aka one of his autistic followers in the making. This game already made one autist, who's to say it won't spawn more?

>>389213168
>noctis is essentially immortal gameplay wise
>essentially
Big difference there. Many videogame characters are essentially immortal as long as you have the right items. But Ardyn is specifically immortal. Like, he can't even take damage. It would just be a walking simulator where you occasionally press the time stop button.

>>389213362
we could have him fight the eidelons or it takes place before he got his powers

>>389201926
we mgsv all over again

>>389213439
That would be perfect, and exactly how it should go. But let's be real. It's too much like hard work, and they wouldn't do it for DLC. FFXV-2, or Ardyn Returns FFXV are the only viable chances of it.

>>389205291
8 and 13 are fine though.

>>389213108
>this smells like XV-kun ban evading
>10 neckbeard retards who obsessively hate the game VS 10 ultra fags who mindlessly defend the game.

implying I'm either because I know my shit. sure.

>>389212506
>Thank God, I didn't buy this garbage.

It's a fine game. I will predict the future: People will pirate it on PC and just like XIII you will get a lot of calm reactions calling out people who overreact. Even the grind-athlon called Type-0 is praised in this thread. In reality XV is the least controversial FF in almost decades.

>>389213748
>>people who dislike the game VS 1 turbo autist mindlessly defend the game.

fixed

>>389205291
>XV is shit but has it's moments

What moments? Seriously I'm curious

>>389214023
main game dungeons/pitioss, fishing is pretty fun, chocobo riding is fun

outside of that it's bad, it's hilarious how pitioss is one of the best parts of the game and it has absolutely nothing to do with the rest of the game. Too bad you need to do the godawful flying and landing to get there

>>389214152
Pitioss was cool the first time you find it but absolutely aneurysm tier.

>>389214260
I never did Pitioss and I beat the game.

>>389208928
Most people rate 2 lower because of its funky level up mechanics compared to 1, 3 and the rest of the series in general, which are more traditional. Also, probably how open the world is and how you can wander somewhere you're not supposed to be yet.

>>389213931
>fixed
>everybody agrees with me on /v/
>zero arguments

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4htF9ix9Jpw

>>389201926
Worst mainline Final Fantasy game. The series is dead.

>>389208928
I've played all of them. My issues with 2 is the imbalance in the leveling system, the dungeon design and the drag towards the end. You do that massive quest for ultima and then it's garbage and broken in the original and just mostly garbage in the later games.

>>389205283
1000% mad there are so many cool-sounding locations in this game that you don't get to explore because SE didn't know how to make multiple but smaller open world zones.

>>389204940
>PLEASE SQUARE ENIX FUCK MY ASSHOLE HARDER

>>389204940
I'm so sorry

We will see

I wouldn't be surprised to see a Directors cut of sorts that does exactly that
He said "at the moment" because he wants you to still buy the DLC

>>389206110
>fanservice easy to make dlc about a guy who fights identically or noctis
or
>a feature film
what the fuck

>>389206110
I hate this game so much

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>Final Fantasy XV is bad

>>389205835
>but subpar
It functionally was a better game.
>Actual difficulty curve
>no plot holes
>Flora and fauna explained
>all content of the story is at least in the fucking game
>character development for sazh.
What you want me to say for everybody?
Are you kidding? Have you played this shit!?
>actual spells from the series like protect and haste and NOT Elemental Explosion: Fire, Ice, Lightning


Like "it gets better after 20 hours" aside. It gets better after 20 hours. Meanwhile XV is the exact same fucking game all the way until you steamroll over the bitch of a final boss fight.

it may not have been the strongest final fantasy titles, but it was at least a fucking final fantasy. This game is some shallow imitation of an action game with the least amount of recurring elements of the franchise 30 year history shoved in. A joke of a "final fantasy"

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>>389201926

>>389214365
You have to beat the game to unlock it. Then hang around Lestallum after 9pm.
It's up around Raventough, but you have to fly there.

>>389215910
>fly

no thanks. Last time I tried that I got me first game over.

>>389212506
I got ~130 hours out of it, and I enjoyed them quite a bit. I still intend to do another play through so I definitely got my money's worth.

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>>389212506
>Thank God, I didn't buy this garbage.

the 0.1% probability of someone actually believing /v/ bullshit is making me sad. XV is such a simple and effective game I'm surprised how hard people try to shit on it.

Stop deluding yourself. The story isn't good, like at all. It can't even decide what it wants to be. The whole grande militaristic tale about warring nations and redemption, focusing on Nifleheim and Iedolas/Ravus as antagonists is just swept away into the background in favor of roadtrip faggotry and light vs dark squabble between some ancient evil.

The entire game is just a long stretch of fetch quests, with you being sent off to get the crystal and ring, but then nvm you need the royal arms instead, but nvm you need astral power actually, and then oh wait you need mythril and then back to the ring. The game makes this big deal too about the royal arms and how its crucial to obtain all of them to get enough power to take back the crystal, but its all optional and you can beat the game without them.

I'm guessing you just like the characters and road trip angle because it's"maximum comf", but I found the characters not only underdeveloped, but their dialogue to be grating and cringeworthy. "Noct another one out, amirite lads xD!!!" Just 20 hours of emtpy quips and forced friendship. They are just shittier, hollower versions of the Ninja Turtles. Prompto's the only one with a semblance of complexity but its just brushed aside for no fucking reason.

>>389216359
dumb antposter

>>389201926
I hope this kills Final Fantasy off. Let it rest in peace.

>>389216416
Meant for this lil nigga
>>389206195

>>389216514
It's actually an accurate title this time.
>tfw the mobile game somehow makes so much money they keep going

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>>389206195
>What made me absolutely love XIII is that it's the absolute pleb filter !
I agree, you can always tell who the plebs are by how much they praise FFXIII

>>389216359
XV throws away 30 years of final fantasy history but still puts final fantasy on the title. Bravely Default has more final fantasy elements in it than final fantasy 15 does. This is comically bad

>>389216514
Nah. FF15 sold decently enough and even if it didn't meet Square's jewish expectations, they can't kill it off cause it would look bad for them.

>>389216591
watch as that rename Brave Exvius as FF XVI

XVI is already in the title

>>389201926
Until the PC version hits and it gets modded into the game. PC wins again.

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>>389216416
>Stop

yep, as I said simple and effective.

All girls barefooted DLC when?

>>389216591
FFXV was a significant financial success.

>>389216359
You wanna know how I know you're from reddit?

>>389218168
Because he didn't capitalize the first word?

>>389218260
Sure, and also the fact he posted that low quality image and actually likes this game.

>>389216783
Final Fantasy from game to game is a series of innovation, a paragon of changing the formula. Each game is vastly different when compared to both predecessor and competitor at the time, This does not always work, but at least FFXV continued the trend of innovation, it was a solid game, just not the greatest of all time.

>>389218685
Pretty much. But /v/ just hates anything out of the norm.

>>389203525

FFXIII had several times as much cut content as FFXV. You clearly were just too young at the time to follow these kinds of discussions about it online.

>>389213108
>>389213286
>>389213748
>>389213931

You're not the only one who immediately assumes any praise for the game is XV-kun, it's a well fucking justified assumption considering he spams every thread about the game and constantly samefags.

However, that guy is clearly not XV-kun, as he presents the game as something less than absolute perfection and shows some nuance and ability to understand other people in his post, which is something XV-kun would never do.

>>389216591
They posted a pretty tidy profit last year, and I'd imagine this year will be nearly as profitable, since Stormblood did really well, DQXI happened, FFXV is putting out a lot of easy to make DLC, and that shitty FFXV Game of War clone is consistently in the top 20 most grossing apps. Next year will also probably be profitable, since KHIII is launching, and within a decade of that, the FFVII remake is going to happen and that'll make made dosh regardless of quality. Squeenix is doing phenomenally financially after continuously fucking up 2006-2013

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What pains me so is that this game made so much money for Square, so as far as they're concerned it was a good game to them. And now they're already waist deep in microtransactions and DLC.

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>>389219057
Are you retarded, or just new? /v/ was excited as fuck over all of the new shit XV was seemingly bringing to the table pre-release.

You "baaaaaw /v/ hates everything" faggots are the worst, I swear to God.

>>389220498
This was early in FFXV's development though. Once the game started showing its true colors, people rightfully started to call it out.

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>>389220230
>>389216591
>>389216514
yadda yadda yadda

>>389220498
Eh. It was always pretty split, with a decent segment of /v/ shitting on it for being an ARPG, because it was directed by Nomura, or because it wasn't on PC/Wii U. Once Nomura was taken off, it became a cesspit of everyone shitting on the game, XV-kun shitting right back, and maybe three or four people talking about it.

FFXV has some challenging bosses, but they never feel challenging
why is that?

>>389205680
But the OST was bad too, with only a handful of tracks that were even remotely memorable.

>>389220889
The item spam, which really is the biggest problem with the combat.

why didn't they make a trilogy for this game?
the story feels like it could be cut into 3s

>>389220889
>these challenging bosses are not challenging
what are you trying to say?

>>389215171
more like

>Final Fantasy 8 is good

>>389220498
/v/ literally hates everything, newfag. At best it's contrarian. XV is popular now, so /v/ hates it, and now likes XIII. If you'd been here when XIII was released, you see the trend.

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>>389220889
>they purposefully put hard mode at the bottom of the survey so people wouldn't read that far before choosing

>>389220970
Because the Lightning Trilogy was awful.

>>389220970
Square Enix wanted to see a return on the investment sooner rather than later, and I imagine that neither Tabata nor Nomura wanted to spend 2013-202X working on FFXV, since Tabata wants to make new IPs and Type-Next, and Nomrua wants to make more KH stuff

>>389220974
>>389220968
maybe its more of a case that they're hard but not fun
maybe it's because most hard bosses can basically 1 shot you. some of these hard bosses have interesting patterns that could be fun, but since they put you straight to low health you need to start spamming potions every time to even get to the end of that battle
and imo the camera moves to much and its never close to you

>>389221121
they would just inflate the numbers. Nothing new would be added

>>389221321
I think I get what you're saying. They do alot of damage and have alot of health, but they're not really that hard to figure out. I know I beat an enemy at least 60 levels above my own party level with no trouble at all. it was that samurai near Lestallum. He telegraphs his attacks too much and has too many QTE prompts that pretty much beat him easily.

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>>389220889
>Boss does some faggy AoE
>No way to tell your party members to fuck off without a tech, they get knocked into danger every time

Wait... did they ever fix chapter 13 and add cutscenes like they said they were going to?

>>389220230
>KHIII is launching
You don't seriously believe that do you?

I can not imagine how much of a mess FFXVI will be

>>389221801
yes

>>389222008
I want someone like Yoko Taro to direct XVI

>>389222098
I always here people say they want Yoko Taro to direct FFXVI and I don't think they know what they're asking. Taro is best when he's not constrained by anything/body, and if he were given the reigns over XVI, Squeenix would shoot down any and all of the weird, fucked up shit that Taro wants to do. Let Taro do Drakengard 4 or something different, let someone else do XVI.

>>389222098
I want new blood or old blood. I don't care for nomura I don't think Taro would work, tabata is a no, Toriyama is a no

>>389222008
>I can not imagine how much of a mess FFXVI will be

you mean a game that will sell millions, be enjoyed by millions, get great reviews, be talked about for years even decades while some spergs are so obsessed that they make themselves obvious on an anonymous board being triggered by literally everything ?

laughing my fucking ass off. FF is doing so fucking well right now.

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I hope someone scans the artbook so that we can see how much content/concept art was thrown away in this game. I still liked it but I can't help but feel that it could've been so much better. What baffles me is there are still people who'd defend everything about the game and the team's poor decisions when it has glaring flaws.

I still think the opening is retarded. It should've began with KG opening which includes the Insomnia invasion and ended with Luna escaping Insomnia in her tattered dress. Instead we got a scene with her walking around with her dogs and Gentiana doing nothing noteworthy at all.

>>389222354
>be talked about for years even decades

Not for the reasons you think, and sales don't change the fact the game is still a pile of slog

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XV truly is the biggest pleb filter of the series.

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>>389201926
>people paid full price + a season pass for an unfinished early access game

>>389204940
At least it's all uphill from here when you play almost any other FF.

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>>389204742
>skeptical after japanese shit like The Phantom Pain
>hold off buying XV even though I waited a decade
>realize I made the right choice

I'll just buy KH3 and FF7r and be done with this indecisive company forever.

THAT'S IT!

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>>389220230
>that shitty FFXV Game of War clone is consistently in the top 20 most grossing apps
What the actual fuck.

Not to defend this game but I still wonder why people would seriously think that it'll flop or it flopped when shit like this happens. People would eat up anything XV related.

>>389220950
This.

>>389222830
I just checked on my phone, and it's currently number 17 on the grossing chart, and 8 on the free game downloads chart. People seem to like XV's world, it's weird.

>>389222810
Who was the only good XV character and why was it Ignis?

>>389223026
Ignis > Gladio (before Chapter 10) > Noctis > Gladio (post chapter 10) > Prompto

Ignis deserved a better game.

>>389220970
It was supposed to under Nomura's vision.

>>389223026
I legitimately cannot wait for Episode Ignis. He definitely ended up getting the short changed in this game. Guess Tabata really had no vision for him.

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>>389220970
Why didn't they make the fucking game faster?

So much DECENT AAA shit from the ps3/360 era got made and this turd is all SE can come up with after a decade? They can't even get the antialiasing right due to the shitty engine they wasted time and money trying to develop and learn.

>>389221921
Next year. Most likely Q4

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>>389203525
Id rather have an incomplete gem than a complete pile of shit, desu

>>389222790
>>realize I made the right choice

if this is not shitposting you are as retarded as me. I believed the "consensus" and ended up wasting a fuck load of time on FF IX and FF T.

>>389201926
Is there any part of XV that isn't a colossal trainwreck?

>>389223432
>Unfinished
>Open world with tons of invisible walls
>MMO tier fetch quests
>Combat lacks any sort of launchers
>Hitstun is almost nonexistent
>Half to watch a movie to even appreciate the plot
XV is a gem of shit, it's set a new low for AAA games. Essential gameplay and story content are still being added a year after launch.

>>389223576
The anime. It was pretty good. It was also the only time the characters had even a semblance of depth to them.

>>389223514
Are you saying FF9 and FF Tactics are bad games? Because they're not. They're proper games. When SE was called Squaresoft, all the shit they made was decent.

>>389223628
>gem of shit
the term is "chocolate diamond" senpai

>>389223576
The characters and the soundtrack were good. The lore foundation seems pretty solid, it just wasn't built upon anywhere near as much as it could have been.

>>389223432
there is nothing about xv that is a gem

>>389223005
>People seem to like XV's world, it's weird
Well, the game is obviously an unfinished mess but I can see that it actually had the potential to be a good game. Perhaps those people also felt the same. If Square didn't push this to release in 2016 and it was released in 2018 or 2019 instead then maybe it could've been better. Also, they should've kept the scenes from the 2014-2015 trailers in the game, especially these ones.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ny69S-GWcU8&t
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXMJTGna_xA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_ZjCw38h6sY

I remember people hating the Dawn trailer when it first came out. Now most of them got angry when none of it was in the game except the Adult Luna scene which didn't make sense in the final product. It honestly didn't because she'll summon the Leviathan anyway whether everyone likes or not so the soldiers didn't need to put a gun on her face. It seems like it also suffered a ton of rewrites.

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>>389223761
>I only parrot what others say

>>389223628
>half to watch

I wouldnt expect an underage still learning english to understand

>>389223852
He's heeeere

>>389223720
>characters
nah

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>>389223720
>The characters [...] were good

7 of these characters have less than an hour of screentime combined
3 of them needed an anime and DLCs to try and flesh them out
1 has so much shit they never elaborated on that they would rather do another game
And the other is noctis

>>389224128
Ezio isn't even in the game and Cor appears for less than ten minutes.

>>389212650
Did he have the most back story then any other character in the game?

>>389224246
>Ezio isn't even in the game
Ezio is Ravus.

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>>389224246
>Ezio
That's Ravus. If you look at the clothes that he wears in the 2013 trailer, it's similar to Ravus' clothes. The Japanese voice actors are also the same.

>>389224367
>>389224397
Oh my bad, is the guy in between Noctis and Gladio Regis then or is that a scrapped character because he doesn't look familiar either.

>>389223852
>>389223761
FFXV definitely is one of the best looking games of the current gen
FF games always push systems to the limit. but the novelty wears off. as the comfy feelings of driving. otherwise the game is meh

>>389224547
That's Regis before they redesigned him

>>389224128
>to try and flesh them out
The DLCs failed to do even that.
Ep. Gladio is a glorified training montage and I don't even know what the hell's going on in Ep. Prompto. The clone subplot is complete bullshit that probably only exists to add another layer on Prompto's emotional baggage.

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>>389224547
They just made Regis look older

So who was the best girl in the game? Iris, Aranea, Lunafreya, Gentiana, Cindy or Prompto?

>>389224952
Ignis.

>Stop making turn based FFs
>Quality starts dipping

>>389223308
>Ignis
>Tabata really had no vision for him
Was this a pun?

>>389224247
They all had tonnes of backstory. We just don't get to see it. That's the fatal flaw: Plenty technically involved, but not actually present.

>>389225058
Sod off, IV was great.

>>389225058
They stopped making them turn based after the NES.

>>389219057
XV deserves hate, you newfuck. Same as No Man's Sky, MGSV, and even FFXIII. Are you seriously going to sit here and defend some clearly unfinished, mess of a project that's now getting milked out the ass for no apparent reason? Why are your standards so fucking low?

>>389225295
>>389225302
:^)

>>389225242
I agree with this and this is actually the main problem in the game. There's definitely a lot of story to tell about the other characters. We know Luna was traveling in different areas to summon the astrals but we've only seen like a 5 second clip of it. Easily one of the biggest problems that the game had is telling the story in Noctis' perspective. They should've let us switch to other characters like Luna, Ravus, Ardyn etc. to know about their perspective as well.

>>389225302
X was turn based

>>389225446
I honestly don't think it's getting enough hate. I can't think of any other AAA game to release in a state where essential gameplay and story content are being added in a year later and they don't even plan on combining everything to make a complete package.

XV, for me, marks an all time low for AAA gaming.

Do you think they take turns with prompto or just pile on him?

>>389225058
Would've just preferred an exact copy of the KH combat. Would've been more fun.

>>389225861
>Assassin's Festival DLC
>Three guys literately stand around talking about how cute Prompto is and how they want to talk to him

Also Gladio cucks Prompto by hitting on Cidney.

>>389225967
this never happened

>>389225446

XV and MGSV are fun. They may not be complete but they were new experiences with awesome gameplay. Sure they're unfinished but that's more of a problem with the current games industry as a whole. It's hollywood syndrome. I still appreciate XV and MGSV for what they are. They're not perfect at all but still way more memorable then most of the modern AAA trash.

>>389226050
It did though?

This game was so shit. I really feel bad for PC only fags that are getting themselves hyped for it. I think in a few days after it releases, after they get over "oh my god these graphics." They'll start hating it like most did.

I remember playing this game, dropping it for a few weeks, coming back to finish it, dropping it again, and then had to force myself through it just to say I completed it.
Did anyone even take the emotional moments in the game seriously? Everything felt so weird and forced that I couldn't take it seriously. Especially near the end game.

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>PRES X TO DO THING
>jump

>>389213108
XV-kun is far worse.
>if you have negative criticisms about the game then you obviously have not played it
That's how his mind works. I ended up liking the game but only a person with mental problems would say that the game's completely finished. They gave the game a beautiful body but stripped off 80% of the meat in it. That's honestly how I felt when I finished the game.

>>389226157
the first part didn't. the second part did.

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Which would you rather have?
>FFXV-2 starring Ardyn and learning about his backstory
>FFXV-2 starring Ignis, Prompto and Gladiolus demon hunting in between the 10 year timeskip
>FFXV-2 with an all girl cast of Aranea, Iris, Cindy and Gentiana
or
>FFXV-2 with playable young versions of Regis, Cor, Cid and Weskham

Square Enix will make a game whether you want them too or not so "none" is not an option.

>>389226379
Oh really? Seeing Prompto being cucked was still funny.

>>389226502
I'd say Ardyn if I HAD to pick one purely because he has potential. But Square will never do anything good with it. Ardyn should have been a more sympathetic and deep character, but they made him a generic villain by the end.

>>389226502
None.

>>389226726
Great. Since you wouldnt decide they went ahead and made a game all about Prompto getting cucked.
thanks a lot.

>>389226502

Versus XIII

>>389226831
Sounds better than what we got desu.

I had fun playing it, but it wasn't the best thing ever.

>>389220498
>>389220662
XV didn't have actual hype here since like 2013. The whole reason XV-kun became what he is was because of people like me(and there are many) who were shitting on the game. I'd say practically every weeb was hyped for Versus but when it started on the shitty path we all turned on that hype. INCLUDING Barry, because he was hyped for Versus as well and seeing how he literally went insane when it was cancelled he probably just shitposts in spite.

>>389223852
Where's the combat?

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>>389227084
Barry just needs a hug honestly, he's always so hostile.

>>389225847
It's open world. It has Final Fantasy in the title + A roman numeral. It has anime combat.

That's it. That's all it takes to entice new western fans and Square drones. It definitely looks "epic" in trailers, even though half the trailers are bullshit. That's why it sold. But a lot of the general audience aren't familiar with the absolute train-wreck of a development this game went through. Worst of all, the uninformed aren't familiar with the lies and therefore didn't get stung. They probably don't even know what Versus is. They just bought the newest Final Fantasy and fell for its action combat and open world.

Tabata actually said that Japan harshly criticized aspects like Open World, and I wished they'd fucking listen to Japan and not the literal retards here in the west.

All the glaring flaws are swept under the rug because on the surface it's so glossy and shiny. it's an open world, action style Final Fantasy after all; how could it possibly be bad

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>>389227175

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>We live in the timeline where XIII series wasn't even the worst of it

>>389227149
I wonder what happens when you just remove the number popups at all

they seem to get in the way

>>389227478
of course its shit

SE was bitten by the "muh western audiences" bug like Konami and Capcom.

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>>389218685
You mean he got the short end of the stick?

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>>389227478
Don't worry, we never did.

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>>389224952
>>389225000
>Wife(male) who lovingly cares for you no matter what
>Fatty who went full /fit/ just so they wouldn't be a burden
>XV guys make better girls than the girls

>>389227731
Is Prompto supposed to look like Shaggy on purpose?

>>389226502
None of the above. I just want them to move on from this shit entry. They made a few mobile games, won't stop making DLC for it, and even made a fishing game.

I don't want to see the day when "Final Fantasy XV Crystal On The Dance Floor" comes out. At this point I wouldn't even be surprised.

>>389227576
FF2 is a decent game. A very solid story with a questionable progression system. Fuck off with that meme.

>>389227829
>>389226726
you guys must be real fun at parties

>>389218685
>a paragon of changing the formula
yes and no
The gameplay from final fantasy to final fantasy has had TWEAKS to it's ATB based system.
Not a complete restructuring of every thing related to final fantasy
At a baseline spells are so ingrained in final fantasy history that not having them is severely removing any attachment to the series.
Moogles being gone is bad enough but

>is vastly different when compared to it's predecessor
1: ATB
2: ATB
3: ATB
4: ATB
5: ATB
6: ATB
7: ATB
8: ATB
9: ATB
10: Turn Based
11: MMO
12: MMO(:^)
13: ATB
14: MMO
15: Action game

Do you see where that departure is coming from

>>389227829
Square doesnt care if you want none.
They dont care if you want them to move on. Havent you learned?

>>389228004
Not that you're wrong but ATB wasn't invented until 4

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>>389226308
I keep doing this even when i wait a second to make sure everything is ready and in place for me to interact i still fucking jump.

>>389228004
1-3 are classic turn based and MMO isn't a combat system, XII is ATB.

doing my second playthrough since this game came out and you know, it wasn't that bad

better than IV. it baffles me how many people defend IV despite it being the most linear and cliche ridden of the franchise.

>>389218685
>>389228004
Furthermore it's not about changing the formula. Every single final fantasy has had recurring elements in some way that stretches even beyond enemy designs
1) Jobs or job archetypes of at least somebody in your damn party
2) Spells that have worked the same way more or less since the NES
3) Enemy Design
4) Interface Sounds
5) Items and in many cases, attack items
6) Boss fights that behaved as gear checks or examinations
7) Music by nobuo uematsu (or at the very least Masashi Hamauzu ala WoFF)
8) Turn based combat or ATB
9) Dungeons, as in dungeons that take longer than a piss to finish
And moving on from that, including the remake of IV there are other elements that are expected
Customization that has immediate effects on player power and/or stats that you engage in throughout the entire game


When compared to shit like Ultimecia's castle Insomnia is a fucking joke, as is the music

People throw around innovation like it gives an excuse of completely restructuring what the franchise is, as if that's okay. That's not okay.

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>>389228426
>as is the music
Now you just want to pick a fight.

>>389228553
>namefag
Opinion discarded.

>>389228553
Yeah no
We'll take Somnus

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fW8ud0179ls&index=9

And rate that against

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k5VhscZJXcE

Or if we want to be cute we'll take
magna Insomnia

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YniJ8FVp3Lg

And rate it against the Castle, which itself is a musical marvel

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqtGBR80NWw
3 movements in the span of 5 minutes that is identifiable while ALSO setting a tone.

>>389226723
Ardyn should not have been there
Everything involving ardyn should not be there. Nifelheim should have been the bad guys, the imperator should have been the evil boss, him and his generals.
There story fucking fixed.
Is ardyn a director self insert or something? Because he's like a ufo in this plot. He obviously doesn't belong, the plot and every character bends around him, accomodate his presence and it doesn't make any sense. To me it looks like ardyn pirated the story, he commandeered it like a parasite. He's obviously been shoved in there by a fetishist with a fanfiction insert the game 's quality be damned.

>>389228746
Fuck this makes me sad. SE can't even do a good OST. FFXV just sounded like KH did but shittier and most of the tracks in KH aren't even that good.

>>389225446
>Are you seriously going to sit here and defend some clearly unfinished, mess of a project that's now getting milked out the ass for no apparent reason?
Certainly unfinished, and that's probably why it's being milked. That and the huge investment it reflects. Besides, unfinished doesn't mean bad. Just not as good as it could have been.
>Why are your standards so fucking low?
I'm not saying it's the second coming. Just that you fan wanks are overly sensitive.

>>389225537
Yea, I'd say they screwed up on the "show, don't tell", but they barely even did that.

>>389226502
They really should have had Regis' trip overlaid with Noct's. Or do some kind of FFVIII Laguna switch.

>>389228921
They have Masashi Hamauzu and yet stuck him on World of Final Fantasy. The music in that game is great, but they could have stuck him with a team on XV instead of giving it all to Shimomura.

>>389229030
>Just that you fan wanks are overly sensitive.
I wonder why fans of final fantasy would be upset when they play a game called final fantasy and don't get final fantasy. Clearly they're the ones who are the problem.

>>389227928
>going to parties ever
Enjoy your hangover or whatever the fuck you normalfags enjoy.

>>389229150
That and the fact that there hasn't been a real final fantasy since XII.

>>389229150
Gee, it's almost as if Final Fantasy changes, and isn't just the VII they started with over and over.

>>389229226
>since XII.

>>389229235
>Gee it's almost as if Final Fantasy changes
Gee it's almost as if every change in final fantasy tweaked the formula and didn't overhaul it.

>>389229235
>FFVII WAS DIFFRENT

But it was more of the same, it was ATB like FFVI was. The only thing they added was materia, a better limit break system and obviously a new story.

>>389229279
You'd be bitching just the same about IV "overhauling" the combat after III if you were even born then. Learn to deal with change and evolution.

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>>389229150
There's even more to it than that. Not only did you not get a good main-line Final Fantasy game (obviously, because it was supposed to be a fucking spin-off), but we didn't even get the XV we thought we were getting. They bait you with cool shit like Omen, and then it was literally nothing all along. Go into the comment section of the Omen trailer and see for yourself how many people commented about how why nothing in the trailer is like the game. It's an overwhelming amount of people.

>>389228746
It looks like we're seeing things on different levels then. Somnus is a good song. The theme and meaning as it correlates to Noctis' journey is fitting and it's a dirge to reflect the ending and intended impact of the story. I think it would have made a perfect final zone theme if the zone itself was empty. To mix it with over powered mobs was a tonal shift that didn't do it any favors because, if you chose to progress with the story and ignore side content- you're focused on trying not to die via colossus and not see how truly dead Noct's home became.

>>389228921
>tracks in KH aren't even that good.
You take that back right now you monster! Or at least provide some kind of reasoning besides "I dont like it."

>>389229454
Luna >>>>> Stella

>>389229454
I don't understand how people even hope to deny that they simply came up with cool scenes for trailers first and then realized they couldn't make a game out of them

>>389229261
Yes. Since FFXII, since it was the last 'final fantasy' final fantasy game we got.

>>389229454
the best part was when they just randomly spliced in parts of the omen trailer into one scene, like when they spliced in a 20 second recap of kingsglaive

>>389229430
No I wouldn't because IV and III were both turn based games. You clearly have no clue what you're talking about.
There was a bigger change from 5 to 6 then there was from III to IV.

Why even talk about games you haven't played.

>>389229492
The songs are generic, suitable for the relatively generic levels you hear them in. Yes they're styled after Disney movies, but every level in KH also has 50 other rooms just meant to pad out the game. Not knocking that by any means, but you don't orchestrate memorable tracks for droning gameplay. KH just isn't like FF which has towns and long story exposition so the style of music is just different. It's just incomparable and in my eyes it's "not even that good".

You probably like those ugly remastered tracks too don't you? :^)

>>389229615
XII didn't have a single true Final Fantasy moment. Not even one.

>>389204983
The two other games are almost completely unrelated, tacked-on ass-pull stories using the same characters.

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>>389221656
if they fixed this the game would be good. i honestly think it's that simple

>naga family using frog or poison breath
>-sormr family tail swipe/body slam
>coerl goes into "nothing personnel, chosen king" stance
>just mash on an ignis tech and pray he's not standing too close
this is coming from someone who actually enjoys the game and sunk a lot of hours in, but that is some of the most balls-out retarded decisions in the history of real-time combat design, bar none

>>389229053
Actually there were a couple of other literally-whos working alongside Shimomura this time, which would explain quite a bit.

>>389228921
>aren't even that good
Take that back faggot. KH has some absolutely godtier orchestration and some of the most iconic tracks in video games.

Who does SE even have left for composers that are actually employed by them? Uematsu, Hamauzu, Shimomura, Mitsuda, all these people have been gone for a while and only do the occasional score for some obscure title.

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>>389229728

>>389229698
IV had the ATB, genius. V or VI just had the meter for it.
>Why even talk about games you haven't played.
Because i have played them all except II and XIII-2/3

The point is that every game changes.

>>389229728
Define a "final fantasy moment."

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>>389229892
>Implying Masayoshi Soken isn't the god sent from the heavens to grace us with his presence

>>389229782
I'm glad it wasn't just me. Thought i was missing some "Don't get your stupid arses killed" button.

>>389229976
He does XIV's music right? I don't play XIV but I've heard nothing but good things about the OST, wonder if he'll do XVI's.

Post some good stuff.

>>389229852
Post some of those tracks.

>>389229920
>IV had the ATB genius
What the fuck are you talking about. Both games were turn based
>V or VI
You have no fucking clue what you're talking about
V had a limited cast of characters. Jobs and everything that entails
VI had many party members, job-archetypes (but no jobs) and it's customization was done via espers. It's combat sections also had those faux SRPG sections

Why am I even having to explain this.

>>389229920
Something memorable and awe inspiring I dunno. FF12 was just a generic RPG with an insane budget when it came to visuals.

>>389229430
The point is that the "change and evolution" this time around was garbage. You're trying to attack a rose-tinted glasses strawman when nobody but you said anything about hating change.

>>389230072
IV was ATB. Just slap Haste and Berserk on a party member and what them go nuts.

>>389229492
>The theme and meaning as it correlates to Noctis' journey
>as it correlates to Noctis' journey

God sleeps
And children light a flame:
He never dies,
Nor He can be awoken.
(This) tragedy destroys,
In front of them,
Every beloved thing.
(look!) after despair
And the everlasting night
He can see the dawn
There is (still) time to awake.

>>389230035

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h4OQDvRBKcE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dYOSYDBJyZg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E51ZuULFxvk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR3yMqpaCrU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiUp3DpksQY

Reminder that your party that you traveled with since the very beginning of the game

dies

off

screen

defend this i dare you

>>389230118
I know IV was ATB, they were both turn based games.

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>>389229976
>>389229976

>>389230072
>What the fuck are you talking about. Both games were turn based
Go play it again and tell me that.
>You have no fucking clue what you're talking about
Are you taking the piss? Here, have a read. http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_system
>V had a limited cast of characters. Jobs and everything that entails
>VI had many party members, job-archetypes (but no jobs) and it's customization was done via espers.
That's lovely, but what's your point?

>>389230098
>The point is that the "change and evolution" this time around was garbage.
Yea, there are always going to be a few people who are unhappy with the change. Like the shit XIII system.
>nobody but you said anything about hating change.
See >>389229150

>>389230097
Pretty subjective, dude. I found a lot of the shit involving the airship battles to be quire awe inspiring.

>>389230178
>both
IV is only one game?

>>389230272
>Go play it again and tell me that.
Tell you what? That both of them are turn based games? Because they are. And I'm not about to let you double down on retardation that decides you're going to make your "stand" with the ATB TTB distinction.

>that's lovely, but what's your point
That there was more of a difference from V to VI than there was from 3 to 4

Your point is wrongly that the games completely change from game to game. Which has already been stated in this thread by multiple people to be wrong.

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>>389230172
Apparently they're not even dead. It was supposed to be left open to interpretation or something, but Tabs just straight up confirmed that they're not dead. So, I guess it's just as bad now that we didn't even see the party or sidecast AT ALL after Noctis dies. You don't even see the sidecast after Noctis wakes up.

>>389230437
>they're not dead but they show up with noctis who IS dead

man this game is a mess

>>389230126
I wonder what the fuck that other anon is going on about. Other than the 10 year crystal coma, the lyrics sound like it's telling the story of an entirely different character. FFXV doesn't really sell the tragedy aspect of its story well at all.

Not to mention the cut plot points, such as being able to see death, as well as some of the lore.

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>>389230171
That first song is really good.

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>>389229454
>Go into the comment section
Why would you do this to someone?

>>389229150
>>389229226
So, would you rather have something akin to Tales of games? Same things each game, the only real variant is how the story is told with slight tweaks in gameplay per game instead of full on escalation.

>>389229704
>The songs are generic
For KH I can agree. Wonderland sounds like Wonderland, and Tarzan's jungle has jungle music. But for the original tracks Shimomura goes all out. As the games branch out you have more of these and the Disney tracks even have their own spice. Also, you have to understand this is a children's game. No it's not an excuse to be mediocre but if a an 11 year old is running through Agrabah, it would be odd to hear- well, not sand music.
>you don't orchestrate memorable tracks for droning gameplay.
What are battle themes. The gameplay is far from droning unless you're farming since you're always speeding through areas to your next goal.
>It's just incomparable and in my eyes it's "not even that good".
I think it is worth comparison when they share composers.
>spoiler
Some of them ruined the originals but shut up if you dont think Rage Awakened remaster had the sickest violins.

>>389230404
>That both of them are turn based games?
So you haven't played it or I-III? Because the ATB is specifically different.
>That there was more of a difference from V to VI than there was from 3 to 4
Okay? I'm not disagreeing with you there. In fact, that bolsters my point. I was just using 3 to 4 because of the obvious differences in the battle system.
>Your point is wrongly that the games completely change from game to game.
I never said completely. Just that they do change. Learn to read.

>>389203525
I swear you fucks have never played a good RPG in your life.

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>>389204742
>money
>a pc game

>>389230497
>Also, you have to understand this is a children's game.
really guy
>What are battle themes. The gameplay is far from droning unless you're farming since you're always speeding through areas to your next goal.
You're being over-sensitive here. By definition the gameplay segments where you're making your way to the next objective is droning gameplay. And the music suits that.

I can't imagine what original pieces you find good because XV music aside from the dearly beloved stuff is really boring. I can hear it right now and that shit just repeats over and over and over.

>>389230557
>I'm not disagreeing with you there. In fact, that bolsters my point.
This isn't a "you're right but" moment. Because even with the changes the systems behind the game remained the same. A battle system that occurred through menus in which party members picked actions and had them occur. This has never stopped being the case of every game in this series.

You know where that's not the case? In XV.

>I never said completely. Just that they do change. Learn to read.
You're using this with the intent of saying that the changes in XV are fine and keeping with final fantasy tradition. Which is just wrong. And trying to play mental gymnastics won't deviate this point.

>>389230684
>XV music
Meant KH here.

>>389230745
>A battle system that occurred through menus in which party members picked actions and had them occur. This has never stopped being the case of every game in this series.
Indeed. But the fact is that they do change. That's all XV is. Just another change.
>You're using this with the intent of saying that the changes in XV are fine and keeping with final fantasy tradition. Which is just wrong.
Yea? How? Again, do the games not have changes throughout? Especially when many of the core elements are still present.

>>389230061
>he's actually going to make me do this while I'm on my phone
o-okay

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bk6IyrE6TuQ
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=QFry9axV2rE (her best desu)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=R4oPSmxCeqU
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uKFjnBijxTk
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=_JUlNMAklhs

That's all I'll post for now as I don't want to overwhelm you.

Other Obvious Contenders:
Dearly Beloved and Hikari

>>389230497
So, would you rather have something akin to Tales of games
I like sliding on the slope, but let's try and not be cute. Every game has had or tweaked many elements of it's predecessors. That's what's called, series continuity. You're not about to throw 30 years of that way but still use the same title and think people are going to be fine. Nobody is going to be fine with that besides people who never cared about the series to begin with.

Lords of Shadow
Valkyrie Profile: Covenant of the Plume
The Third Birthday
Breath of Fire: Dragon Quarter
Breath of Fire 6
Karous: The beast of Re:Eden
Children of Mana

You can't keep the series name and expect people to be happy when they get bait and switched into something they didn't want. Even in the Saga series, a game series that is massively different from one to the other many elements are STILL ALWAYS the same from game to game.

>>389230963
>Indeed. But the fact is that they do change. That's all XV is. Just another change.
Except it's not the only change. As was already mentioned many times in this thread by many people. There's no way you're going to play this as "it's another tweak" it's not another tweak, even part of this game is different than every part of previous games with the exception of SOME enemies, somebody named Cid, and a dragoon named highwind. Every single other feature of it's game, all the way down to it's piss-poor customization, is a major deviation from formula.

>>389230487
I'm sure this guy posted the usual suspects so here is an out of the way track.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XdqXyZ7TA6A

The thing with soken is that he's no uematsu and his music doesn't sound like final fantasy should sound really but he does have his strokes of genius and manages to recapture some of the old magic.
Here another one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D4BCV4pRmFc

>>389230984
Kairi is good but that, and especially the rest, goes in line with>>389230684 where I say the original stuff just repeats over and over and over, it's nowhere near FF in its prime music.

>>389230497
>Why would you do this to someone?

Because it clearly shows that the trailer deceived and rused a lot of people. Not everyone is going to read some cryptic trailer description that insinuates that the everything shown is just a vision and wont be in the final product. People watch trailers and trust that the developers aren't going to blue ball them- ESPECIALLY when the trailer is released less than 2 months from the launch of the game. This wasn't some concept trailer released like in 2006, like Versus. The final release was right around the corner. Why would you even release a "vision" trailer that has nothing to do with the game in the first place? And so close to launch too. Probably because they had no faith in XV selling well and needed to stoop to jew tactics to ensure success.

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>>389230684
>really guy
Yes really.

>You're being over-sensitive here.
I'm sorry I suppose I am. Because I fail to see how someone can de-value what is delivered.
I'll just leave these here and soak in Shimomura's sweet, sweet violins.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ChRW61198n0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fBpIRi5Y4i4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oo1U5k5VY88

>>389230984
>Xemnas/Xehanort boss themes
>mfw
Great, now I want to play DDD again.

>>389231064
>with the exception of SOME enemies, somebody named Cid, and a dragoon named highwind, a story based around crystals, famous summons, party based gameplay, chocobos, magic spells, airships, similar story of an empire taking over a kingdom being stopped by a ragtag group of friends, and so on.
Sorry, you mised a few.
>You can't keep the series name and expect people to be happy when they get bait and switched into something they didn't want
Apparently what you want is the same one game over and over, and to prevent experimentation for those who might enjoy it.

>>389231123
>not liking Limpeto Oscuro
gay desu

But of course it repeats. Battle and world themes have to be concise and have smooth transitions in order to loop without annoying the fuck out of you.

>>389231236
>Yes really.
A pointless thing to say, all these games are for kids just like they're for whoever the fuck wants to play them.

>>389231332
It's not that I think KH music is shit tier it's just boring, and they repeat short little parts with very little variation. My original argument can be seen here though, it's deviated quite a bit>>389228921

>>389231328
Let me deconstruct this since you're being cute
>A story based around crystals
Which never is the main focal point of the story and is hardly ever mentioned until the ass end of the game, where the crystal ends up being the hyperbolic fucking time chamber.
>Famous summons
that you can't control on demand unlike every other final fantasy
>Party based gameplay
action based gameplay. Unlike every other final fantasy. Can't control party members Unlike every other final fantasy.
>chocobos
Okay
>Magic spells
Spells with the same name but are not the same in any way. Friendly Fire. No utility spells. Unlike Every other Final Fantasy. No haste, no protect. Most enemies can't cast spells. Unlike every other Final Fantasy.
>Empire taking over a kingdom. Over half of the games don't focus on this

>sorry you missed a few
Cute but no dice

Where's the job archetypes in your team? What about the interface sounds which in some way or another survived every game except this one. How about attack items, where are those. Do you have boss fights that are even a little bit threatening? Where's the menu based combat. Why is there no final dungeon.

>Apparently what you want is the same one game over and over, and to prevent experimentation for those who might enjoy it.
If that was the case nobody would like every other final fantasy but hate XV. Almost as if XV is so far removed from FInal Fantasy that people have problems seeing it as a mainline title. You want changes, take your ass to a spinoff. This game should never have had Final Fantasy attached to the title.

Keep trying to spin this however you want, nobody is going to bite this shit.

>>389231496
>they're for whoever the fuck wants to play them.
Target audience then.

>they repeat short little parts with very little variation.
Have you played? Because the phases of the entire song aren't in a single song, they're in multiple. I understand where you're coming from. You want something like these, right?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OBLN4O6rZs4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-I2laZZaok

>>389231906
Not him but 14 is soken and 12 is sakimoto

>>389205291
>I have to fit in the picture
>I have to fit in the post

The real trinity is 2, 14(vanilla), and 15.

>>389231906
No, those games have pretty shitty music too lmao.

>>389231970
My point was finding songs that I think they want to hear more of to better understand them. Not specifically Shimomura's work while I'm sure there are some. In fact I think Parasite Eve's battle theme does it.

>>389232103
Surely you can bait better than that.

>>389231772
>Which never is the main focal point of the story
Are you kidding? Or did you just not watch KG? Because recovering the Crystal is a pretty key element.
>that you can't control on demand unlike every other final fantasy
So? Kinda fits with the characters, that you wouldn't have them as pets like in FFX.
>Can't control party members
You can to some extent. Just like in XIII.
>not the same in any way.
Fire burns, ice freezes, etc.
>No haste, no protect. Most enemies can't cast spells.
I concur that it's a bummer, but are we going to pretend that every spell is the same in every game?
>Over half of the games don't focus on this
No, i'd say about half deal with that. Just switch empire to religion or corporation where appropriate.
>Where's the job archetypes in your team? What about the interface sounds which in some way or another survived every game except this one.
The plink plink you mean? Because that's in it. There's even the victory fanfare after some battles.
>How about attack items, where are those.
They're handled as weapons.
>Do you have boss fights that are even a little bit threatening?
I guess? But no FF has ever had "threatening" bosses, unless you're underleveled or underprepared.
>Where's the menu based combat.
Partially there, if you're that autistically attached. There's even the Wait Mode from the ATB.
>Why is there no final dungeon.
There is? Insomnia. It's just short, and the other dungeons and the hard mode ones are better.
> Almost as if XV is so far removed from FInal Fantasy that people have problems seeing it as a mainline title.
Oh, you speak for every fan, now? Going to break your heart to find out how popular it is among FF fans.
>This game should never have had Final Fantasy attached to the title.
Yea, should have stayed as Versus. Even CC was closer to a mainline. But that doesn't mean XV isn't deserving.

>>389232224
>Surely you can bait better than that.
You really just have bad taste, have you even played the older games? XIV is as generic as they come and FF12 had a couple cool tunes but at the time of release it was also considered a failed FF when it comes to music.

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>>389232250
>Or did you just not watch KG?
As much as I'd agree with you, do try to consider the game itself. No side content. Not the anime/movie/that one awful beat em up. Just FF15 vanilla. It only weakens your argument when bringing up side content and DLC.

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https://twitter.com/search?f=tweets&vertical=default&q=_bazztek&src=typd
Just remove xv-kun already and let the game slowly die. He made me more aware of flaws than any hater.

>>389232429
I wish i didn't have to include it, but they spread it all out in such stupid ways.
Either way, recovering the crystal is important to the story. I only brought up KG because you actually get to see it stolen.

>>389231772
>>A story based around crystals
>Which never is the main focal point of the story and is hardly ever mentioned until the ass end of the game, where the crystal ends up being the hyperbolic fucking time chamber.

I'm not even following what you guys are talking about but yeah crystals are absolutely the main focal point of every story.

Also I loved Kingsglave.

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>>389232250
>how popular it is among FF fans

Nice confirmation bias, faggot. It's easily the most divisive entry in the series. It's probably just a step behind 13 as being the most disliked mainline FF game.

KG was a mistake. Either remove it and make the invasion and the death of regis an actual shock moment and show it later on as a flashback, maybe even playable parts of it or make the actual invasion a prolouge like it was meant to be to make you attached to your kingdom and your fathe
r

>>389232351
>the older games
I'm not sure how to put this in a way that's understandable to someone else, but the older games- to me, come with a different standard or criteria to music. XV didn't need an OST that sounded like a JRPG (if that makes any sense). The entire presentation is just so different from- say, IV that they're almost not even in the same category. When you hear song related, it's just an entirely different "feel" from something from XV.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9cJe5v5lLKk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlgQqlHF0kE

Again, it's just incredibly difficult to articulate how I view the older OSTs in comparison. My only other comparison could be like 90's No Doubt to 00's Gwen Stefani. Same singer, same purpose, all pop- but entirely different.

>>389232856
>did you not watch KG
>haha no No yeah let me watch supplementary material that didn't fit inside the game. And going back because I see you'll probably make a "stand" on this point
The first half of the game is acquiring royal arms to awaken into your power
Then it's getting the ring.
Then it's awakening the summons
and THEN it's the crystal fetch quest. The crystal is only a big part of kingsglaive. The entirety of FFXV has other things that are far more important.

>pets in FFX
You can still summon them on demand
You can summon them in every FF on demand
>You can to some extent
You can't at all. The only thing you can do is have them use healing items. And unlike FFXIII you can actually change who is the leader and who you control.
>Fire burns, ice freeze
Real world elements do the same. If i light a match was that stolen from final fantasy.
>etc
There is no etc. Fire, Ice, and Lightning are the only spells and they might as well be named "elemental explosions" because that's all they are

>every spell is the same in every game
Every? No. Most? Yes.

>religion or corporation
A backpedal AND a catch-all
Nice

>The plink plink you mean?
If I even have to explain it means you don't know.

>They're handled as weapons.
Are weapons items? They are not. And no they are not.

>But no FF has ever had "threatening" bosses
Let's not play the "every FF is easy" card. Because you can at least die to third scaled ultimecia. You will never die to ardyn. Even if you fuck up royally you'll likely have 99 phoenix downs

partially there
>Not there at all. You do not choose attack from your menu, and your character attacks. And I'm not going to play the "well if you look at it this way" game that's for idiots
>insomnia is the final dungeon
yeah no. Insomnia is not a "dungeon". Let's not be stupid
>hard mode ones are better
hahaha fuck no
>speak for every fan
Nowhere did I say everyone. I'm not sure how you inferred that

Damn it all. Third try

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>>389232827
>>389232856
>>389232971
Are you having a stroke?

anon what the fuck are you doing

>>389233038
I fucked up the formatting twice. Shut up

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>>389232856
Your post is so badly formated, what are you even saying what's your point?
I don't care about anything you wrote.
Learn to form a coherent thought what is wrong with you?

>>389233092
Cute but that's been clearly fixed by the time you got to it.

>>389205291
FFVIII is the best FF game, as has already been established many times on this board.

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You can tell that only parts of the OST were done by Shimomura, it's not bad, just weirldy inconsitsent. It feels like half the OST is from a different game. And some of the early V13 tracks and 2014 tracks which were supposedly written during V13 days are still some of the best in the OST:
Give Nomura all the shit you want but he actually sits down with Shimomura for hours and listens to every track until they both love it

>>389232940
The difference is that themes like
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZftUF_OUNFY
Were done by the person who gave the entire series it's musical signature and the later is done by somebody who didn't even attempt to emulate it.

The reason SaGa fans are fine with Hamauzu is because he is a good composer and a fine replacement for Ito while also capturing the spirit of the series. And this is a series that has a history that is almost as long.

>>389214365
>I did 1/10th of the content but I beat the game
Looks like you don't know what the words you're using mean

>>389233127
You mean this shit? >>389232971
You don't need to respond to everysingle point, nobody cares that much about your opinion so just pick the two most important ones to you or something.

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>>389233127
>Cute
You know you keep saying that word in multiple posts. Get a new one.
It's not cute.

>>389205291
So you're saying VIII has absolutely no moments?
Man i hate the whole FF fanbase mind, a game is either 10/10 or total shit

>>389232872
KG fucked FFXV hard

>Oh Game of Thrones is popular, so lets make the characters White
>Oh looks like we have to remove all the FMV's with Japanese Regis, im sure they are not important though

& yes im positive KG is why we don't have the invasion opening, most likely they developed an opening pre KG retconning it & they didn't have time to redo it

>>389233314
You missed a really good thread earlier today anon

>>389157169

>>389232827
>and THEN it's the crystal fetch quest.
Technically everything after Hammerhead is supposed to be the crystal fetchquest. It just does a shit job of explaining it.
>You can still summon them on demand
Yes, and my point was that they change somewhat in every game. In XV they're finishers, so having them on command would make it even easier than it already is. And could be worse. The Junction System could be back.
>You can't at all.
Techniques, links, and buddy moves (i forget the name)
>Real world elements do the same. If i light a match was that stolen from final fantasy.
If you call lighting that match Fire/Fira/Firaga, maybe.
>Fire, Ice, and Lightning are the only spells
They aren't, though? You can make more using items via Elemancy.
>Every? No
Then you better go bitch them out.
>A backpedal AND a catch-all
Not a backpedal when Shinra is almost exactly the same as the empires in other games.
>If I even have to explain it means you don't know.
Great, i'm arguing with a woman.
>Are weapons items?
Technically? If you mean stuff like grenades, Ignis uses them. Same with throwing knives.
>Let's not play the "every FF is easy" card.
Because it's an easy trump card?
>Because you can at least die to third scaled ultimecia.
Lrn2junction, scrub.
>You do not choose attack from your menu, and your character attacks
No, you choose their attack from a menu, and they attack.
>Hahaha no. Insomnia might as well be an open field
It is literally a dungeon in the game. A piss easy one, but still one.
>hahaha fuck no
They specifically are better than Insomnia.
>Nowhere did I say everyone. I'm not sure how you inferred that
You implied it with your " people have problems seeing it" bit.

>>389233079
All good bro. Easy enough to just disable spoilers.

>>389233237
She composed and arranged 80% of it, coincidentally the best track wasn't even her.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FTQ2fwUOxe0

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>>389233251
>who didn't even attempt to emulate it.
Does she have an interview where she directly states why then? It could have been her personal desires, or- someone directly telling her to do something different. In the case of Okabe, I'm positive he was told to just to remix the theme his own way. After DoD3 I honestly can't unhear Drakengard in those drums.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jro_IzMFBbU

>>389233385
>wasn't even her.
Who and why?

>>389233351
in order:

You mean linkstrikes and techniques. That's all there is to it. And that is not controlling your ally. Comparing that to issuing orders to your ally and them doing it is asinine.

The spells you make are all deviations of fire, ice, and lightning. Ring magic has spells that are similar to others in name alone.

>shinra is almost exactly the same
Except it's not. Emperors goal is global conquest. Then later it's to destroy the world after you send his ass traight ot hell

>if you mean stuff like grenades
Spell items, throwables, tools etc etc.

>it's not an easy trump card
It's not. you're comparing something that is a 3 on a difficulty scale and saying that it's the same as a 0. It's not.

>lrn2junction
I'm assuming you don't know what I mean by third tier scaled ultimecia. Ignoring that you can indeed fuck her up with Aura on Zell or Irvine, she breaks your junctioned materia and can two shot most of your party members

> you choose their attack from a menu, and they attack.
This
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=drAwuLhMS48
Is not the same as this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXlGnWBTvAg
Though I think you were addressing "not at all" so fine

>it literally is a dungeon
Nigga this bitch ass excuse of a final dungeon is a joke.
>they are specifically better than insomnia. Sure and they're still homogenized trash. If you mean the 4 actual dungeons that do exist then fine, that's a thing. It's just a shame that almost none of the hard mode extra dungeons have unique enemies with different skeletons and movesets. Not even a weapon down there. On top of looking all alike.

>people
Is not the same as all people. It's not even a synonym for everyone. Nowhere did I imply it.

>>389233578
Yoshitaka Suzuki did it and I'm not sure why, I wasn't a part of XV's music team.
Also Keigo Hoashi did most of the music for Drakengard 3.

>>389233702
>look him up
>Bayonetta
That explains everything. Also apparently I went insane and confused Nier with DoD3. Okabe drum album when?

https://youtu.be/kJYbU2D4wgM

>>389233578
No interview that I know of. There is one for Uematsu when he expresses how he view the music of the games
https://web.archive.org/web/20160305014821/http://www.1up.com/features/final-fantasy-composer
I'll give you a hint, it's not orchestra,

>>389232787
>It's easily the most divisive entry in the series.

I objectively disagree.

XII had its reasons for being divisive. After 5 years of wait (which at the time was not the norm) and the MMO people wanted something more traditional and -some- had a knee jerk reaction to an open world FF.

XIII also was justifiably controversial. A very non typical and convoluted story with intentionally (?) unlikable characters and the bad kind of linearity.

XV is just... kind simple overall: Hunt monsters, get married, board a train, then go after Ardyn. Fin. There's no real room for controversy apart from the action battle system. Most people don't give a fuck about Versus.

>>389233807
Fun fact: the male vocals on that song are Okabe himself.

>>389216783
That's a retarded opinion. Final Fantasy reboots every game and every title does its own thing. Find real reasons to be buttfrustrated

>>389233927
>Final Fantasy reboots every game
False and wrong.

>>389233678
>And that is not controlling your ally.
Not the thrill of hitting a menu button, but you can force them to do it.
>The spells you make are all deviations of fire, ice, and lightning.
But you can still add myriad effects. I guess they were going for a primary colour theme, but screwed up.
>Emperors goal is global conquest.
In VI you mean?
>Spell items, throwables
Funnily enough, the magic is closer to that.
>you're comparing something that is a 3 on a difficulty scale and saying that it's the same as a 0.
No, i'm saying they're both 0s because FF has literally never been hard.
> Ignoring that you can indeed fuck her up with Aura on Zell or Irvine, she breaks your junctioned materia and can two shot most of your party members
Admittedly been about fifteen years since i've played VIII, so fair enough. I must have cheesed her with said technique because it wasn't hard at the time.
>Is not the same as this
Why not? It's not as comprehensive, aye. But it's still choosing what they do from a series of menus.
>Nigga this bitch ass excuse of a final dungeon is a joke.
I concur. Post-game is far better, and that is supremely disappointing.
>Sure and they're still homogenized trash.
Yea well, JRPG.
>Is not the same as all people.
It's still speaking with more authority than you have.

>>389233967
>In VI you mean?
in 2
>the magic is closer to that.
It is, yes. But there's no double dipping here my friend.

>I'm saying they're both 0s
Which is wrong. You can actually die in any other final fantasy. Fuck go replay the remake of III and try to go into the sealed cave before grinding up the west tower and see how quickly you see the game over screen. XV's challenge is so small outside of the no-items dungeon that you quite literally can't die in any of it. As even if your health is reduced to 0 they give you all the time in the world to throw a phoenix down onto yourself. And this is before you make ignis shove potions directly into your body with an accessory.

>why not
Because the former is using a menu for every aspect of combat and the later is using a menu for very few aspects of comment.

>Yeah well JRPG
I would like to agree but Tri-Ace has shown that games can do better. Both The Second Story AND TIll the End of Time does post-game dungeon spelunking right.