Who innovated more?

>>389158134
>98
Why is LoZ so overrated?

>>389158134
neither. They just did right what has already been done before, altho poorly. Zelda loses to TW3 in everything

Just Imagine a Breath of the Wild with a story/lore/worldbuilding as rich as The Witcher ones, that will be a hell of a world to lose yourself in.

people gave skyward sword a 100 review

for some reason zelda games are just absurdly overrated

Why does no one complain about BoTW's garbage combat, but they do about Witcher's?

>>389158273
Nintendo fans and nostalgia goggled idiots praise Zelda and Mario to no end. Nintendo is just now getting in on the open world fad that has been the mainstay of generic AAA releases for years, and they're getting higher scores than ever. Odyssey will no doubt see the same 95+ even if it has collectables and view point towers.

BOTW does have one of the most interactive welds ever so I suppose BOTW. Still not that good of a game tho

>>389158358
This, Skyward and their rrviews are so shit that are going to be use in the reviews for future Zeldas.

>>389158134
Zelda is lacking in every aspect compared to Witcher 3:

Graphics
Characters
Animations
Combat
Gameplay
Narrative
Facial animations
Waifus
Bros
Quests/Missions
World Design
VOICE ACTING
Writing

>>389158134
Zelda, there hasn't been an open world game with that much emphasis on physics and interaction until it rocked up. Witcher 3 was just more of the same cinematic garbage we've gotten air centre the genre became popular.

>>389158334
Too bad the combat, you know the actual gameplay in a video game, is still painfully mediocre and wont sustain anyone for more than 5 hours

>>389158134
It's shocking how high Zelda is, I dont think it really did anything for the open world genre other than some neat physics details, but I feel they don't amount to actual usage when playing the tedious content through.

I do like the freedom, but freedom comes at a cost of a "make your own fun" mentality, and bite size rewards, challenge, and ultimately, bordem with an unchanging premise.

BOTW was probably the most dissapointed I've been in a game in a long time.

>>389158363
Double standards and the fact that they would have to admit the Witcher 3 does have better combat, ultimately.

>>389158334
Haven't played Zelda but the story in Witcher 3 was ass. I mean really bad z-grade fantasy.

>>389158597
Just Cause 2

>>389158743
Can't agree at all. What game would you say has better writing?

>>389158134
Say it with me, kiddies!
FREE
NINTENDO
POINTS
And don't forget!
FREE
ZELDA
POINTS

>>389158743
You're going to see a lot of posts praising the game for its subpar aspects just because it's not on a Nintendo system. Be prepared.

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>>389158743
This

The real IMAGINE would be, Zelda with Witcher 3 budget, scale, graphics and made to run on modern PC's

>>389158429
>implying botw hasn't revolutionized the entire open world genre
>being this blind

>>389158134
People don't compare Nintendo games to multiplats. They compare Nintendo games to past Nintendo games.
So rather than "this Witcher 3 is awesome, it's got a lot of the same generic open world stuff I'm tired of though that I've seen in other games, but still great" we get: "this BotW is awesome, probably the best Zelda game since OoT or maybe ever, that makes it a 10/10!"
You know I'm right

>>389158273
When everyone's so used to the mediocre and shitty games pumped out over the past 2 years, something like BOTW seems like the GOAT. It is overrated but you'll only really see that from reviewers and Nintendo shills. Anyone with any taste and experience playing games knows that the game is at most a 9. I personally give it an 8 since I played it on wii u (dat performance).

>>389158743
Play the DLCs faggot. Great story and writing.

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>>389158585
>this whole post

>>389158849
Do they counteract the negative points they get for nostalgia and just being Nintendo?

>>389159025
>owning a wii u
>thinks his opinion is relevant

lol

>>389158840
le ebin Planescape: Torment

>>389158886
> just because it's not on a Nintendo system.
Wait, are you saying any game that isn't on Nintendo platforms gets more praise because its not on Nintendo?
Are you fucking serious kid?

>>389158965
Get better b8, m8

>>389158284
>They just did right what has already been done before, altho poorly.
>just did right
>altho poorly
>right
>poorly

They did it right but it was badly? What the fuck are you even saying Europoor?

BotW had more to interact with in the world. The Witcher 3 is just roaming around, following quest markers and fighting.
I do appreciate that they added jumping in TW3 though, these open world games should at least let you jump

>>389158965
>implying any future open world games are gonna "take notes" by the inspiring BOTW

>>389158829
What about it?

>>389159093
>buying a switch after I got fucked over with the wii u
>implying I even like Nintendos bullshit moves over the past decade and a half.

You can enjoy your handheld. I mean console...

>>389159106
This is /v/ anon.
As long as it's not Nintendo it's good to the majority of posters.

>>389158134
botw for sure, they took a big risk putting technology into a mainly fantasy world but they did succeed.

>>389159346
You're a moron.

>>389159343
>owning nitnendo products at all after age 10

anon please

>>389159350
>they took a big risk putting technology into a mainly fantasy world
What the fuck? This has been done since forever. In fact, almost every Might and Magic ends with laser guns and aliens.

>>389159346
Do you honestly believe this? /v/ is fucking autistic about Nintendo. Especially the mods, they fucking love it.

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>>389158840
Are you saying there is no game with better writing?

How about...any game that has proper structure and pacing. Really any story that has a well developed villains. Any game that doesn't pull the ending out of it's ass in the last 5 minutes contradicting anything about the lore. Any game that doesn't feel like the main character has the biggest fucking plot armor. Any game with no plot holes.

Like
Witcher
Witcher 2
Dragon Age Origins
Mass Effect
Vampire the Maquarade

I don't know list goes on and on

>>389158273
Zelda.
TW3 is as generic as it gets.

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The one with over 800 gotys

>>389159563
You just invalidated yourself by saying mass effect. You should feel ashamed.

>>389159563
Where did I say that?

>Any game that doesn't pull the ending out of it's ass in the last 5 minutes contradicting anything about the lore.
What exactly was the issue?

>Bioware writing
>no plotholes

You can stop typing now.

>>389158134
BotW of course.

Is that even a question?

>>389159554
>Especially the mods, they fucking love it.
Which is why they allow rampant nintendo shitposting right?

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>>389159573

>>389159518
are you fucking special?
anon, i meant putting technology into the LoZ franchise, because Loz has always been about magic and never technology, but now that this installment has it, its unique in that way.

>>389159846
You mean Skyward Sword?
Twilight Princess?

>>389159832
They filtered the word Nintendo drones for you. /v/ is full of Nintendo loving people like the other anon said.

>>389159846
>because Loz has always been about magic and never technology
Wrong. Once LttP cropped up there was a focus on ancient technologies combined with magic.

>>389159832
>/v/ mods being shit at their job =/= not liking Nintendo

>>389159681
Dragon Age Origins was far better written and more nuanced than Witcher 3.

>What exactly was the issue?

Are you retarded? They pulled it out of their asses that Ciri can end the white frost with no consequences in the last five minutes in the game. It invalidates all the book saga basically and the game even.

>>389160019
Stop spoiling the game you slut.

>>389160019
>It invalidates all the book saga basically and the game even.
Ah, you're a faggot book weirdo.

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remember to deduct points for the Nintendo bonus

>>389160116
The game is absolutely nothing without the books. All the characters you see in the game are taken from the books and developed in the books. The game has no original characters that are well developed (maybe one or two). The lucky characters from the books remain intact, but the unlucky ones were completely ruined.

You can't use that argument for this game. Maybe you can for The Witcher 2 which was an original story and most of the major characters were original and didn't feel like a continuation of the last book

>>389159951
They filtered Sonyg-ger as well you idiot however the difference there is that they had to filter about three different names. That alone should show you /v/'s stance towards nintendo.

On top of that there's always a thread up shitposting directly about Nintendo and they hit the bump limit. However it's rare to see one about Sony let alone to see it live to the bump limit.

Lurk more faggot.

>>389158134
Neither? They are both open world sandbox "RPGs".

>>389160332
I see nothing wrong with Sony though. Was the best one last gen and it seems like the best one this gen. I don't even have a ps4 but if I were to choose a console, it would have to be it.
This is pretty much the same bs as last gen except the 360 represents the ps4. The ps4 is popular so you think anyone saying anything negative about Nintendo is a Sony fan. Truth is, a majority of players own a ps4.

>>389159170
the ones who did it before. Nice reading comprehension muritard

>>389158597
Yeah anon, it must be nice trying to throw rocks. This rock throwing simulator sure is a better game than tw3

The Wild Hunt were disappointing just your average black & white good vs evil snooze

>>389158134
Well for Zelda, it truly was a changeup to what you'd expect from a Zelda game

The witcher.... kinda doesn't do that for itself. It's not defying its own genre. It's still fairly interactive, it's pretty fun for the open world meme game it is and the sex is always a welcome addition to a Mature game

Witcher didn't bring anything new and Zelda just jumped on the open world meme train.

>>389159563
Play the DLC for Witcher 3. Hearts of Stone.

Witcher innovated more, Zelda perfected it.

>>389159846
Every 3D Zelda has that in some degree

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TW3 may win in terms of worldbuilding and storytelling, but BOTW is by far the best open-world game ever made in terms of the actual open world aspect of it. Every other open world game with its lack of interactivity and closed-off copy paste content feels like a wet sandwich in comparison now. BoTW actually takes advantage of its vastness and doesn't hold your fucking hand all the time. It's so fucking cool how an npc will tell you about a vague rumor and then you have to use geographical cues to solve a puzzle.

>>389160019
>>389160986
t. Andrzej Sapkowski still anally-blasted by CDPR

>>389161627
no thanks, I've had enough of quality CDPR writing for one lifetime

>>389161938
meant for >>389160241

>>389158134
neither of them innovated

>>389161884
>TW3 may win in terms of storytelling

People are just saying that without even thinking about how awful the story was

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>>389159448
>He doesn't have friends to play smash and mario kart with

>>389161959
Just saying, nigger. Hearts of Stone is 10x better written than vanilla story. Enjoy Mass Effect I guess.

>>389162034
Main story dropped off the towards the end, but there are oodles of well written branching side content with a lot of variety. It's a world jam-packed with characters and stories, and I say this as a zeldafag

>>389162234
There really aren't. There are maybe two-three well written side quests, the rest is filler crap by untalented hacks

>>389162463
And the main story is terrible from the very beginning

>>389162463
You've never even played it faggot-chan. Even if you have, that just proves you have shit taste. If TW3 of all games doesn't have well written side content then gaming as a whole is fucked because the side quests are still miles better than any open world game, although BoTW's open world experience is superior

>>389158585
This is the objective truth and any refutation of these facts is a denial of reality.

What did Witcher 3 innovate?

>>389162682
Oblivion had way better side quests

Witcher 3 had nothing to offer but following red trails , binary choices and z-tier writing

>>389162904
>Oblivion had way better side quests
lmfao

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>>389162904
>he brings up a fucking bethesda game to refute me
>"muh list of recurring game mechanics to make the game seem repetitive"
If you're going to bring up game mechains outside of writing, maybe you shouldn't praise a fucking bethesda, especially that floaty mess oblivion
this shitty board is like clockwork

>>389163067
>press x to solve quest with witcher vision
kek

>>389158932
You think Witcher 3 had a larger budget than Zelda? LOL

BotW saved us from the same type of shitty open world games TW3 is a part of.

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>>389163202
You're far and away one of the most retarded Obshitter's I've ever seen. Oblivion isn't even in your image, and Oblivion is a better game than New Vegas in just about every conceivable way.
Beyond that you've included DLC and unmarked quests for NV and none for FO4

>>389158585
>witcher 3
>good gameplay

Combat is a fucking disgrace. it's easy as fuck and yet there is handholding everywhere.
Following farts is not good gameplay.

>>389163598
Oblivion is shit

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>>389163598
>and Oblivion is a better game than New Vegas in just about every conceivable way.

World truly has gone mad if people actually think this.

>>389163208
Gameplay in Oblivion is absolute fucking trash it's actually hilarious you bring up gameplay when talking about quests.
>>389163598
>Oblivion is a better game than New Vegas in just about every conceivable way.
I'm not the guy you replied to and I've never given a flying fuck about Obsidian games, but Bethesda faggots like you are literal cancer holy shit.

>>389163728
BoTW combat is atrocious and even easier than Witcher 3.

>>389164089
Not him, I brought up Oblivion.

Side quests like the Assassins Guild or the Thieves guild were really fun and inventive ways to do stuff using the AI, in Witcher 3 all side quests boiled down to following red lines and making a binary choice in the end. And it was always trough a dialogue option

TW3 didn't innovate at all.

>>389158134
Neither of those games innovated. They are both decent games but are both overrated and run of the mill.

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In a single thread we got nintenbros asaying botw and oblivion were better than Tw3 and NV.

BOTW was fun to play, The Witcher wasn't. The Witcher which is hailed for its writing, not gameplay, peaked in its' writing during the Baron quest and then fell completely off until the first dlc came out.

So to summarize --> BOTW is fun, The Witcher is not. The Witcher has good writing in the first five hours of the game, and then is shit until the amazing dlc.

BOTW is better. Nothing to do with innovation though.

>>389158965
>botw does nothing except add climbing
>otherwise its the same empty open world with pointless collectables
>"revolutionized"
lol

>>389164364
>ninten dr ones gets replaces by nintenbros

>f-for free

>>389164258
So, about dozen quests in the entire game were good? People tend to overtly focus on DB and TG in Oblivion at the expense of how generic and forgettable everything else was in that department, few exceptions notwithstanding.

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>>389158134
why Nintendo fans are so obsessed with the word "innovation"?

>>389164364
Nintendrrones have taken complete rampant control of /v/ and this place has become nothing but an echo chamber for them. While I see Nintendo in a mostly positive light whenever I try to criticize anything they do here it's just a flurry of boogeymen and white knighting.
This is worse than the Sonyfag invasion

don't give a shit about innovation but the difficulty in BOTW was so braindead that even gwent was more of a challenge than anything in Zelda

>>389164558
They love their Wii.

>>389163751
>>389163914
>>389164089
New Vegas does nothing better than Oblivion other than graphics, and even then they're still terrible looking.

>>389164490
still more than TW3

>>389158965
What has it revolutionized?

Witcher 3 was generic shit open world game, might as well call it Assassins Creed with bad combat

Zelda is tons of fun.

>>389158363
because BotW's combat has more polish, feels better to play, and has a lot of integration of the physics and interaction with the environment built into its combat system.

Despite Witcher's combat having more mechanics, it controls worse, is less satisfying, and is ultimately reduced to just using the most optimal strategy based on your build and potions.

>>389164860
I never thought someone could be this wrong.

>>389165209
>Despite Witcher's combat having more mechanics
What do you mean more mechanics?

The game has one weapon and one moveset. It's a disgrace

There are three types of humanoid enemies, the big hammer guy, the sword guy and the shield guy. And they're reused troughout the entire fucking game. They're always the same

>>389161884
>best open world game ever made
I kek'd

>>389164471
It happens for other fanbase names too retard. Yesterday I tried to type out pc - fats and it changed to pcbros

>>389162075
Are they all fat autists?

I couldn't give a rats ass about innovation
Would play Blood over the original doom any day

>>389165438
shit, now that I think about it, you are right.

>>389165209
>because BotW's combat has more polish, feels better to play, and has a lot of integration of the physics and interaction with the environment built into its combat system.
No it doesn't. The combat in BoTW is sluggish. It's a step back to previous Zelda games where the lock on system was actually snappier and felt better to move around. The parry mechanic is so easily abused and lenient it's downright boring.

Interaction with the physics in terms of combat is "fun" for a couple minutes, but not practical. You get sick of rolling rocks at goblins or setting grass on fire or throwing shitty bombs at them. Playing the game on the dlc harder mode is a fucking slog because enemies are damage sponges and using environmental things to kill them takes ages, it's practically useless.

Witcher 3 combat has plenty of issues, but BoTW is worse.

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>>389158134
>Who innovated more?
Neither. They're both typical open world games with RPG elements.
Witcher is overrated because everyone is used to garbage open world games so Witch 3 looks amazing in comparison.
BotW is overrated because it's Nintendo.
They're both good games and they're both fun but they're both overrated.

>>389165438
Holy shit, you mean like how BoTW reuses literally the same 3 types of enemies and re-skins them? If I have to fight another one of those ninja faggots or Lizalfos I will kill myself. One of the worst fucking aspects of BoTW is the atrocious enemy variety.

Not to mention you are objectively fucking wrong anyway:

http://thewitcher3.wiki.fextralife.com/Creatures+and+Monsters

https://zelda.gamepedia.com/Enemies_in_Breath_of_the_Wild

>>389165759
>physics in terms of combat is "fun" for a couple minutes, but not practical
Funny enough, they are more practical in the trials of the sword, maybe you guys wouldn't complain so much about floor 10 if you used the interaction and physics handled to you instead of mindless attacking.

>>389166108
fucking lol

20 "different" types of the same flying enemy that fight in the exact same way.

>>389166190
>1 instance in the DLC means it's practical.

>>389164417
Don't forget, they rid of the ridiculous hand-holding in every other AAA game, too! So revolutionary!

>>389158134
Metacritic was a mistake, none of those games deserve to be in the 90s

Witcher is a high 8 on at best

>>389166330
As opposed to 50 "different" types of Bokoblins and Lynel recolors. lmao

>>389166343
>1 instance
The whole dlc is easier if you just use the physics and interactions instead, it's even practical in the main game

>>389158743
Did you start Star Wars with ROTJ, too?

>>389166642
Nah it's trash. Maybe try playing Master Mode for once.

>>389165287
The other anon said it first, take it to her, shitposter.

>>389159563
This is all code for Geralt should be the chosen one, not Ciri. It's like MGS2 haters mad they don't play as Snake.

>>389166967
I think it's a code for you are a retarded moron

>>389160986
>see nothing wrong with sony
You might as well say you see nothing wrong with Nintendo, EA, Bioware, Valve, etc. You can't be this blind.

>>389166751
I hope you are not implying physics/interactions are any less useful in mastermode, you can kill the silver lynel in the plateau just with a fucking metal box, as well as any other enemy.

>>389158134
Zelda. But Witcher 3 is a better game in pretty much every conceivable way.

>>389159030
>muh writing
It's just more talking and talking that leads to a shitty ending, waste of fucking time. The only good writing is found in the written texts, like books, bestiary, quest descriptions, witcher gear notes, etc.

>>389158621
So why did it, then?

>>389162802
Uncompromising world where you don't play as the hero on the hero's journey. Like Berserk but the chosen one doesn't turn out to be the villain. True role playing in an open world.

neither of them really innovated anywhere. if anything, they implemented commonly attempted ideas extremely well. both of them allowed the player to completely ignore the main quest all together. zelda took this further, allowing the main quest to be described as simply "Defeat Ganon". as for witcher, the facial animations, camera movement in cutscenes, and writing all make for some of the best storytelling in video games around. but these are all things that games have always been attempting, just not necessarily successfully.
nonetheless, the gameplay is shallow in both of the games. in witcher, it's bad to begin with, as you just mindlessly dodge-slash enemies. then in zelda, the foundations are there, but there's nothing to do with them because all of the side content is mindless Ubisoft-tier shit. i also would have liked if both games implemented minigames that are actually fun. witcher has gwent, but it could use some more, and zelda has fucking terrible ones that aren't worth mentioning.
i'd say witcher's by far the better game of the two, but that still doesn't mean it innovated better (or even at all).

>>389158284
Zelda plays a lot better than Witcher. Witcher has better writing, quests, and world but it plays like shit.

>>389167039
Nah. Pacing, structure. You sound like a bad movie critic. The game ties everything up beautifully but you bitch because you're blind to it.

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>>389167317
So your argument is basically stop using words I don't understand

>The game ties everything up beautifully
The game ties everything up with the dignity of bad fan fiction

>>389167095
Yeah I know there are autists on Youtube that think Lynels are the most ebin challenge in the planet and fight them in incredibly tedious and obnoxious ways, anon. Doesn't make it "practical" or good combat in any fucking way whatsoever and if you are implying fighting a Lynel by swinging a fucking box is better than Witcher 3 combat then I'm done arguing and you can continue meme-ing away.

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BOTW is full of fun gameplay.
Witcher 3 is a glorified walking simulator.

>>389167713
Not him but pretty much everything is better than Witcher 3 combat. Witcher 1 and especially 2 had better combat, Bamham and inferior ripoffs like Shadows of Mordor have better combat, brainless low budget musous have better combat. Witcher 3's combat is terrible.

>>389167161
>It's just more talking and talking
It's almost like that's written dialogue. May as well say Planescape Torment is just more text boxes and text boxes.

>shitty ending
How were the endings in Hearts of Stone shitty?

Witcher 3 is a masterpiece that will be remembered 10 years from now.

BOTW is just another FOTY for Zelda fans to latch onto until the next title, which is when everyone will then admit BOTW was actually disappointing and that the new Zelda will in fact be GOTYAY, then repeat for future installations. See: Skyward Sword.

>>389168119
Both games will be forgotten before this gen is over.

>>389167713
>if you are implying fighting a Lynel by swinging a fucking box is better than Witcher 3 combat then I'm done arguing and you can continue meme-ing away.
I'm not implying anything, I have not talked about Witcher combat just because I have not played it, I'm not some kind of faggot that talks about things that haven't tried it.

Just because you maybe didn't try any of that doesn't mean it's obnoxious or not practical, when in fact it's easier to just kill enemies with what the game gives to you, try thinking outside the box anon. Also stop using so many memes, try expanding your vocabulary.

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>>389168210
So you're in a thread arguing about which is the best of two games, not having played one game. And you think you're in a position to criticise it.

>>389158134
Why do people keep comparing these games? Only thing they have in common is that they are both open world.

>>389158134
Honestly what did tw3 innovate. There are many rpgs that offer the exact same thing. Not like BotW where if offers freedom and a unique combination of gameplay mechanics.
That being said I guess tw3 was innovative in not being a shit ARPG

>>389159025
>at most a 9
>not a 3 for being a shitty open world game in the first place

Kettle black etc

>>389168301
As I said, I'm not criticizing the witcher, but keep posting memes, maybe that will make you feel better.

>>389168207
Now that's just false. BOTW is the only reason to own a switch right now.

Didn't play Zelda, but Witcher 3 didn't innovate shit. The story is also highly overrated outside of the Hearts of Stone expansion, which is the only one that truly deserves praise for the writing. The Wild Hunt and Blood & Wine plots/characters are completely mediocre.

>>389158134
>Breath of the Wild
>98
I don't think so

>>389167739
:/

>>389161884
Your post said nothing

Witcher 3 is the best wallpaper simulator. Really pretty and vast game.
Other than that, just no. I quit the game because Novigrad questing was such a chore, but I went trough what everyone says was the best part the Blood Baron and even that sucked.
Very convoluted shit that doesn't tie in together. You did all that just to get the information that Ciri rode off north to Novigrad..and you already knew she was there. You couldn't even attempt mind controlling the drunk Baron, mind controlling any of his men which spent time with her, paying him off, paying any one of his men off, paying anyone in the village off since they all must have seen this very distinct woman hanging out with the baron

It's just a convoluted mess, the game world doesn't have any rules

>>389168210
>I have not talked about Witcher combat
Then why did you reply to my original post that mentions Witcher 3 combat?
>Just because you maybe didn't try any of that doesn't mean it's obnoxious or not practical
Fucking hell, swinging a box around and taking several more minutes than just fighting with a good weapon is fucking retarded. Technically I can beat any enemy with the infinite bombs, but I would be retarded to do so. If you think that's good combat more power to you I guess.
> Also stop using so many memes, try expanding your vocabulary.
I said 1 fucking "meme" and you think that's "many." Christ.

>>389167739
You walk more in Botw than you do in Witcher. At least in Witcher they give you unique events.

>>389168498
I'd say as much as I love BOTW, it didn't innovate anything. It is just Zelda 1 in 3D with a huge open world. It just solves the problem that has become the norm in open world games (like the TW3) where you just follow check point to check point with shit gameplay.

>>389168717
You do the same thing in Botw. Just each checkpoint is a minigame. it's just shit with a little sprinkle on the top. But seen another way, it wastes time even more.

>>389158134

TW3 wasn't really innovating, it was simply really well fucking made in most aspects, which is rare with AAA games these days.

LoZ actually tried doing a lot of creative shit with the OW formula.

>>389168631
>You couldn't even attempt mind controlling the drunk Baron
May as well give the option to "mind control" everyone in every quest and have no point to anything then.

>>389168475
It's got a couple of good third party ports (mostly indie stuff), Arms and Splatoon 2, and MK8. Zelda is good but people are seriously ovrerating it.

>>389168824
No it isn't. You are told to kill ganon. They point out the big villages where they are at if you so choose to beat the divine beasts. Everything is your choice on how you can beat it. It is nothing like all the majority open world games.

>>389158585

VA was only good in Polish version, maybe Russian to an extent, English VA sucked major ass.

>>389169096
It is just like every open world game.

Also, none of you have played any open world game, otherwise you'd be comparing Botw to games like Gothic. Which has more than Botw.

>>389158273
It was bound to happen since it was an open world Zelda game. That alone locked it with a 90+ score.

>>389168970
I have a switch and I just don't think those games aren't worth buying a switch for. I have BOTW and Sonic Mania ( I skipped on the Wii U also). Might get that mario rabbids game but I'm for sure getting Mario odyssey.

>>389168107
Why can't you just accept the fact that the game has shitty dialogue, I already said it has good writing, why can't you just be satisfied with that? Why are you so quick to defend something, even with flaws you want to defend it.

>>389169194
Name another open world game that isn't almost 20 years old. Every "open world game" now is following a waypoint in a linear story until you beat the game. Nothing interesting to explore in the empty huge world. Just a section to get to B from A in the linear story.

>>389158585
>4 (yous)
I guess you must be right

>>389169529
>Name another open world game that isn't almost 20 years old
skyrim

>>389168632
>Then why did you reply to my original post that mentions Witcher 3 combat?
I replied to a post where you said physics is not practical in the game, and I replied refuting that.
>swinging a box around and taking several more minutes than just fighting with a good weapon is fucking retarded.
But my example was in the plateau, where there is not much weapons to kill the silver lynel, and the whole trials of the sword where it's also more difficult to engage combat than use the resources handled to you. And bombs in this game have very low damage and long cooldown, which is also more impractical than other physics tricks, unless you use it¿s knockback.

>autists, ebin, meme-ing all in such a short paragraph
Yes that's too much, it was just an advice anyway.

>>389158429
Never played a zelda game in my life and it's one of the best games I've ever played.

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>>389169776
>skyrim

>>389169410
Because I want to see an actual reason to your shitty opinions. Saying "there's lots of talking" and "shitty ending" is worthless critiscism. At least elaborate a little.

>>389169956
Yes and?

>>389170094
Its like you read the first sentence of my post and just replied.

>>389170159
>Name another open world game that isn't almost 20 years old

I did exactly what you asked. I didn't follow after because I was waiting to see how you will goalpost it.

>>389170229
Okay we're done. Have a nice day.

>>389170357
yeah fuck off with your argument technicalities you sperglord. go back to a place where they will upboat you for being a sensitive retard

>>389158134
neither game innovated shit

>>389170447
I was talking about recent trend of open world games and you posted a game that came out in 2001. You're retarded man.

>>389170650
I'm also not claiming that BOTW innovated anything since it is literally zelda 1 in 3D but you didn't read that either, you just picked whatever you wanted to believe and shitposted about that. Kill yourself.

>>389170568
kys metroidvania cuck

>>389169956
maybe it's my 150 mods, but Skyrim has more to do and more random "flavor" encounters than TW3 by a country mile

I can walk for more than a minute without running into a sucidial orc or a vigilant of Stendaar

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>>389170793
He's right though, they didn't innovate anything.

>>389169804
>I replied to a post where you said physics is not practical in the game, and I replied refuting that.
Fair enough. I thought you were one of the others saying Witcher 3 combat was worse.
>But my example was in the plateau, where there is not much weapons to kill the silver lynel, and the whole trials of the sword where it's also more difficult to engage combat than use the resources handled to you. And bombs in this game have very low damage and long cooldown, which is also more impractical than other physics tricks, unless you use it¿s knockback.
I usually had weapons that worked better than using shitty environmental weapons even in the beginning and even when I didn't it was more practical to avoid fights altogether than using a box for the next 10 minutes. Swinging a box or rock at an enemy with the magnetic rune has no complexity or depth to it at all. Personally that's pretty fucking boring and tedious "combat" to me.
>Yes that's too much, it was just an advice anyway.
Saying "meme-ing" is not a meme. Also, there are channels on Youtube who are solely dedicated to fighting Lynels in "creative" ways, they have dozens of videos fighting the exact same enemy over and over again like it's a super deep challenging combat duel and Nintendo children in the comments eat it up like it's masterful gameplay. It's genuinely autistic, not even a meme.

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>>389171531
HAHAH keep crying metroidvaniacucks

>>389160232
but I loved skyward. sure it has parts that drags but most temples were awesome and the controls were good. Fatties hated it caused it made them move too much.

>>389168656
The moment I saw a million MArkers on the map in the witcher, I wanted to uninstall right away. too much fluff. still a great game. BotW is just far superior. so much detail it's ridiculous. So many little stupid things thought up too well and so much beauty. The series can evolve in such a crazy way.

It's kind of crazy how almost every post in this thread is either neutral or against Nintendo in some way, yet some people keep claiming this place is dominated by Nintendo fans.

>>389158134
Zelda.

Witcher is a good open-world game, but Zelda completely re-invented the Open world genre, and the role an open world should play in a game

>>389172282
My only gripe with BOTW is the lack of longer dungeons. I know shines and the beasts replace that but I would still prefer 8 dungeons that you can do at anytime. BOTW is the only open world game I have played where I'm like "What's that over there?" and it is useful to actually find something in the open world for your adventure.

>>389158134
>shitcher
>innovation
name 1

>>389158849
But witcher is onestly a 50% game. It's boring and dumb. no skills, lots of walking, everything you look at is ugly and it's written like a 12 year's old fanfiction.

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>Legitimately, unironically thinking TW3 is good
Admittedly there is some good writing and quest design but the gameplay is fundamentally bad.

I don't think either game really innovative at all and are fine in their own respects.

>>389172763
transgender elfs

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>I see all these poorfags who haven't bought both and enjoy both

you are retarded if you dont think botw innovated more
i love both games but witcher 3 barely innovated and isnt going to be looked back at as a benchmark. it will just be seen as a good game. botw is going to be looked back at as a benchmark because it did many more unique and innovative things.

>>389158134
can't you see the higher score? there is your answer

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Yall niggas really trying to compare trash like the Witcher 3 to the 2017 GOTY?

BotW seems like a good game but what exactly did it innovate?
Physics puzzles in an open world game?
Having to look for places instead of them them just appearing on your map?

the only thing I can recall that BotW innovated was dogshit weapon durability

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>>389158134
>open world meme
>innovative

>>389172876
the gameplay is passable, which is good enough to stand with its amazing visuals, good story and quests. TW3 is just very well-rounded

>>389168548
Give it anything lower than a 90 and nintenbabies will go absolute apeshit on you

>>389158134
Haven't even played Botw but what does TW3 have to do with innovation?

It didn't made anything new, it's just more of the same just with high production value.

>>389158134
Neither innovated anything, wtf you thinking?

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As a PCfag, BOTW just felt to me like a mish-mash of early access indie games like all the crafting shit and Grow Home that I had played over the years, with nothing that hasn't been seen before.

I can understand that Nintenfags who haven't likewise seen these kind of games before can see it as innovative, but the only thing innovative about it is how much influence a game can take from a multitude of sources. TW3 on the otherhand is an incredibly solid work of art, that takes the concept of open-world to a greater level of atmosphere and depth that nobody had seen before. Previously alot of people tended to the Bethesda games as kings of the immersive open worlds, but then CDPR comes and fucking blows them out of the water.

TW3 has set standards for what open world rpgs should be. BOTW on the otherhand, is just another rung in the Zelda ladder.