Is FF8 really bad or is it a meme to hate it?

Both.

There were some odd design choices. In the gameplay and story departments.

>>389157169
bit of both

It starts out strong, then it has a change of tone, then it gets incredibly strange.

>>389157169

It is a deeply flawed game, but a very enjoyable game.

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My opinion about FFVIII? It's a brilliant but in many ways flawed game.

In my OPINION it also gets a lot of undeserved hate where the players are blaming the game for their own shortcomings. Some examples of this include people complaining about drawing when they simply could have just refined the useless shit in their inventory to magic instead, whining battles being nothing but summoning GFs over and over again when you are much better of fighting with your physical attacks and/or limit breaks instead, complaining about how easy/broken FFVIII is when playing through it using a guide or complaining the GF amnesia coming out of nowhere when it's constantly foreshadowed all the way up to the orphanage scene.

Also if people played the other FFs with the same mentality they seem to play FFVIII they'd complain about how you absolutely cannot gain a single level in FFVI until you get the +2 espers, how you absolutely must be at level 99 before leaving Midgar in FFVII or how it's an absolute necessary to get Excalibur II in FFIX.
No one is forcing you to Draw for 100 of every magic in every battle. No one is forcing you to fight by summoning GFs over and over again. No one is forcing you to spend ages playing the card game to get Lionheart on disc 1. No one is forcing you to break the junction system. Etc... all of those are things YOU did voluntarily did yourself to make your game less fun.

That said FFVIII is an OK game if you just play through it normally (like you'd do with any other FF game) but is still one of the weaker entries in the series.

>>389157649
This. Here is a protip: Play FFVIII with a mindset of it being a unintentional parody of the JRPG genre and it becomes fun as fuck.

Squal is a silly name

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FF8 is the MGS2 of Final Fantasy

It has some glaring flaws but it is still the best final fantasy game (not saying the others are bad, most are great)

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>>389158153

>>389158153
No it's not, FF8's story goes to complete shit after disc 1, hardly anyone defends where the story goes unlike MGS2.

>>389157169
Maybe I just like all the sucky FFs. I love FFXIII and FFVIII. FFVIII, depspite some strange mechanics, is filled with insanely fun boss battles. One of my favorite things about both of those games are the very long, drawn out boss battles that require you stick to a good strategy to win. As far as the story goes, I'm on the final boss fight and have enjoyed it a lot. There are definitely some very strange, cheesy, and unbelievable parts, but for the most part is still very good, despite a very slow and boring first hour and half or so. Music tends to be top notch and the cut-scenes are great. To be honest I give both VIII and XIII 8.5/10

>>389157169
Its flawed but I like it. Uematsu's composition knocks it out of the park as usual.

>>389157169
Its unironically my favourite final fantasy

It's not THE worst. But still bad.

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>>389159537
>blue fields
>balamb garden
>fishermans horizon
>waltz the moon

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>>389159862
>The man with the machine gun

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>>389157169
I recall hating 8 back in the day. gave it a whirl again and the only issue i still had was the plot being fucking retarded and the summon animations taking FORFUCKINGEVER

(Same with 12 that new job system and x2 or x4 speed has me really enjoying it.

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>>389160086
>>389159862
>The Extreme

>>389158153
>FF8 is the MGS2 of Final Fantasy

how so?

>>389159008
MGS2's story also goes to complete shit

>>389157169
It feels like large sections of the plot were cut from the game, but it's alright

>>389158153
you mean its shit? mgs 3 is the ffvii of ff

>>389158153
>FF8 is the MGS2 of Final Fantasy

you mean a crappy follow-up game that tried to be "deep" and falls flat on its face and full of shitty characters & twists?

>>389158496
MGS3 has camo and injuries to slow shit down but ff9 just uses the slowest combat animations known to mankind

>>389157169
I both love and hate the game. The setting, music, exploring the world, and even the battle system was great to me. I don't like the party, though.

Squall is fine. I liked seeing his inner dialogue throughout the game but I couldn't get attached to the other guys. Laguna and his group were great. I liked Seifer and his friends. I wish Seifer could've woken up mid-game and they could've joined the party. I hate Rinoa with everything in me. She is such a huge focus of the game and that almost ruins the whole experience for me. If there was a way to take her out of the story, I'd like the game so much more.

>>389157169
It's a bit of both.
Objectively speaking, the story is a fucking mess.
The combat system is dumb but it's still enjoyable.

Subjectively though, most of the hate came from nostalgiafags whose first FF was 7 and had high expectations for 8.

What an amazing, unique setting and atmosphere this game has. The mechanical shortcomings and kinda nonsensicle time travel plotlines dont even matter to me, the vibe/artstyle/music are 10/10. It is a jrpg essential. Perfect at all the things I'd assume people play these types of games for. Also this Game has some of the best battles in any jrpg, and the fucking finale/ending are so fucking good it has ruined other games and even most movie endings for me. It conjures every emotion a human can feel

>>389157169
It's a meme to hate it. Just play the god damn game, it's pretty great.

>>389162775
>it's pretty great.

only if you draw all the time and never level up

>>389162898
This is the opposite of what you should do.

>>389163317
>This is the opposite of what you should do.

FF8 has levelscaling so leveling is a bad idea

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>>389157169
It's okay, the hate is extremely exaggerated. It does feel unfinished and the draw function is weird, but it's all serviceable. It's at least better than some of the earlier entries, as well as X/X-2, XII, and XIII/-2/-3.

>>389163579
VIII is also better than XV

>>389163335
I think people are way too focused in the "you should never level up" thing. It really isn't as bad as people make it out to be as higher level enemies also have better stuff to Draw, steal and/or to get as drops. However there is absolutely no reason to level past lv.40 as that is when the stuff you get from enemies doesn't get any better any more but WHY would you want to level past lv40 to begin with at that point you should already be at the last save point of the game assuming you play through the game normally.

>>389164004
>However there is absolutely no reason to level past lv.40

or level at all

>>389163335
going out of your way to NOT level and to draw everything is just autistic min/maxing that will ruin the game for you. You don't grind to level 99 on the first battle of ff7

>>389163912
I keep forgetting XV is a FF game, honestly. But you're right, my bad.

>>389157169
I'm a huge FF VIII fanboy because it was my first Final Fantasy and the first "traditional" role-playing game I've played.

The gameplay is completely imbalanced garbage. You're either severely overpowered or underpowered. The idea of junctioning spells to your stats is great, but it has been executed horribly and doesn't work at all.
It's fun to break the game, though. There are so many ways to get creative with the system and get very powerful spells early on (mostly through Triple Triad). If you take the game at face value its gameplay is bad, if you like to experiment it's lots of fun.

The story is great until it jumps the shark, but this goes for almost every Final Fantasy. CD 1 is the best, CD2 is kinda alright, CD3 is weird, somewhat interesting and somewhat cringy and CD4 shouldn't exist.

OST is beautiful, setting is great, characters are likeable and Triple Triad is the GOAT minigame. If you played it as a kid I guarantee you dreamed of going to Balamb Garden.

>>389161178
Yeah, overrated babbys first shit while the magnum opus that is MGS2 is ignored for muh Snek feels.

>>389164217
>You don't grind to level 99 on the first battle of ff7

No but FF7 doesn't have every god damned enemy scale to your level.

>>389164491
Raiden is shit even if he didn't replace Snake. Raiden is still a whiny bitch.

>>389157169
A bit of both. Given that FF8 is my favorite final fantasy I do understand some of the hate. Lots of people hate it after playing it wrong.

>>389163335
Not exactly. The magic stones you get after battle changes and your magic stat affects the amount you can draw per well draw. Anyways with the magic stones, getting better, you refined them into magic which you then junctioned.

Lots of people autistically spent half hours drawing 99 x 3 from every enemy they came across and killed any enjoyment when the game gave you a kinetic way to avoid that altogether.

>>389164603
>Raiden is shit even if he didn't replace Snake. Raiden is still a whiny bitch.
Wow, you noticed that? Great job anon.

>>389164603
>No but FF7 doesn't have every god damned enemy scale to your level.
True, but Sephiroth scaled depending on how many idiots you had at max level.

Anyways FF8's bosses had scaling caps.

It's pretty bad, but it has the second best soundtrack in the entire series.
The best soundtrack is FFXIII-2's

>>389164617
>Lots of people autistically spent half hours drawing 99 x 3 from every enemy they came across and killed any enjoyment when the game gave you a kinetic way to avoid that altogether.

because it was the only way for me to get spells.

Never touched the refine item skills because I dismissed those as "I need specific items" and fuck the card game. Cheating AI assholes

>>389157169
It's not a very good game.
Even one of the only things people like, Triple Triad, is swamped by stupid game design.

>>389164913
I liked the refine system since lots of shit fed back into it. And I have a special place in my heart for triple triad until "the random rule has spread to this region"

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>play FFVIII for the first time when it came out in 1999
>I found it "meh" but didn't hate it

>play through it again couple of months later
>figure out how to refine magic
>have a much better time with the game

>play through it again couple of years later
>figure shitloads of story related things out
>have even better time with the game

>play through it one more time last year
>still find out new thing both gameplay- and storywise
>apart from the "romance" between Squall and Rinoa annoying the fuck out of me now I had a great time with the game and it honestly has become one of my favorite FF games over the years

>>389164812
>Sephiroth scaled depending on how many idiots you had at max level.
I don't think that was the case. If I remember, the final boss' difficulty scaled at how quickly you killed Jenova's final form.

>>389164603
>No but FF7 doesn't have every god damned enemy scale to your level.
What is the problem with ff8's level scaling other than "you are making the game more difficult for yourself by leveling?"
By not grinding to max level on the first battle in FF7 you are making the game more difficult for yourself.

>>389164181
There is no real reason to avoid leveling up at all unless you go full autist about min-maxing either.

>>389165343
problem is that in a JRPG, you level normally as you advance through the game.

this is punishing you in FF8 due to levelscaling

>>389157169

I really don't like the Junctioning/Magic system. To me it severely limits your ability to use the magic because its essential to your character's strength.

And all you have to do is Junction 99 Waters to Squall and you can one shot pretty much everything for most of the game.

>>389165343
Not leveling was actually a planned decision, which is why bosses give no xp. Players who wanted to experience FFVIII for the story were allowed to whereas if you played it normally, the gameplay fed into that in the form of item drops and magic able to be drawn.

However this comes with a bad:
For most people it's the case of "because you can make the game easier, you should". And so people now think that not leveling it up is the only way to play when it was never supposed to be the that way.

>>389165574
>And so people now think that not leveling it up is the only way to play when it was never supposed to be the that way.

except leveling can make the game impossible. I made that robot boss in disc 3 impossible due to leveling up because it kept on kicking my ass

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>people complain about having to grind for levels in JRPGs
>people also complain about games that don't reward you for grinding for levels

>people whine and bitch about FF8 having level scaling
>people NEVER EVER complain about FFT's random encounter also having level scaling

I'll never understand you fags. Seriously what the hell do you guys actually want?

>>389165743
FFT was a good game (unlike 8) so it was overlooked

>>389165464
It's not punishing you, it's just raising the difficulty as the game goes on. Which is what every game in the history of time has done. Playing normally you also get more GFs and tools to deal with these challenges as you go.

Is SMB3 punishing you for advancing by making world 8 harder than world 1?

The whole point is you don't HAVE to abstain from leveling and make the game as easy as possible. If the effects were the opposite your autistic brain wouldn't be triggered by it. It's kind of like in MMORPGs where devs have a choice between implementing a fatigued exp penalty and a rested exp bonus - they're the same fucking thing, they just have different names and tingle the autistic part of your brain differently.

>>389165743
People expect the same or similar mechanics in successive games in the same mainline series. Especially when the change is so drastically different from the previous game while the tone and setting remain fairly similar.

>>389165707
>except leveling can make the game impossible.
You can never make the game impossible. I assure you.

Anyways disc 3 is the type-8 yes? IIRC you have plenty of time inside lunatic pandora and before it to completely level up. And because that thing is a glass canon you can fuck it up with either an aura or some thundaga.

What's more, as it's a boss, it enjoys the same ability to be hindered by level caps. Hell even when you're stuck on ragnarok with Rinoa and you don't have magic junctioned to help you fight the bosses you can still get that magic from the fucker near the savepoint.

>>389165743

There is a goddamn middle ground, don't even try to act like there isn't. The game should reward you for progressing, but systems like FF8s can end up punishing players and then you'll end up grinding for Magic to Junction anyway.

Grinding breaks the flow of the gameplay and the story. Very rarely do players want to stop progressing through the story or levels just to run around in circles fighting enemies for an hour or two.

>>389157169
FF8 is a game where you saw Square experiment in trying to change a lot of the popular RPG formula at the time, and ultimately failing in nearly every attempt.
Replacing equipment/weapons with the junction system.
The removal of MP for magic stock.
The removal of level grind with the level scaling.
The game ultimately suffered, because combining all of these brought about one of the most broken RPGS imaginable.

>>389165881
>it's just raising the difficulty as the game goes on.

other RPGs do that by adding newer, stronger, enemies in new areas and not resort to level scaling

>>389166028
>Anyways disc 3 is the type-8 yes?
the thingy in the Lunatic Pandora. Still lost at level 100 so I used a Gameshark. Was not aware of level scaling at the time.

>>389166167
It doesn't scale to 100. AFAIK the highest things can go in lunatic pandora is like 60something. I'll double check though, I could be wrong

>>389166167
>other RPGs do that by adding newer, stronger, enemies in new areas and not resort to level scaling
turns out if you play normally and don't just sit there grinding then it both scales the levels and adds new enemies
>captcha trying to tell me to identify the footballs
fuck off those are soccer balls

>>389165219
So what you're saying is that you have single digit iq and found it difficult to understand a simple game?

>>389166334
>turns out if you play normally and don't just sit there grinding then it both scales the levels and adds new enemies

if I played FF8 normally, the levelscaling would still be active. What part of that are you not getting?

>>389166260
>>389166167
I was wrong it's cap is 41 and Adel's is 46

FF8 can be entirely too difficult if you never understand the Junction system, and entirely too broken if you do. There is no middle ground in FF8. No middling difficulty, unless you just force it.

>>389166380
The level scaling d o e s n o t m a t t e r if you play it normally. What part of that are YOU not getting?

>>389166493
>The level scaling d o e s n o t m a t t e r if you play it normally

it does matter IF YOU ARE NEVER AWARE OF IT

>>389166457
Not entirely true. Even if you have mastered the junction system (making a lot of repeat plays a joke), the second you cross into the third scaling threshold for whatever you're fighting it gets harder.

If you don't waste real world time drawing magic you can't possibly get access to kinetically everything but GF fights (excluding cerberus) are actually challenging. Ultimecia is the exception if you use Aura but played straight if you don't, since she can just randomly break your friggin junctioned magic.

I love it right up until disc 3. Its mechanics are broken and stupid as fuck, but it's just such a goddamn comfy game. I start to replay it every now and then just to play Triple Triad, but I always get tired of the game as soon as I finish all the side quests, before going off to Ultimecia's castle.
I've never even finished it.

I think the sacrifice of stats for using magic is a cool and underused mechanic in games. It is the only jrpg I've played that I've been able to do playthroughs where I actually played it very differently strategy wise than the last time. And I have no issues with making the game harder by grinding and leveling, I enjoy difficult battles. I autistically love watching my stats and numbers increase even if its not doing much. Idk why.

This game is the best in regards to atmosphere/music so I have enjoyed every play through, so I've min/maxed/broke/balanced this game and it fun eveytime

>>389166380

I don't like FF8's Junction system, but level scaling is the least of the game's problems if you just sit down and actually understand how to properly Junction magic. I never ran from any normal enemies or avoided normal battles, and I wound up competing the game.

>>389166640

You don't even have to sit around a draw for a lot of magic. You can create magic from a lot of items using that one GF ability and playing Triple Triad.

The game is entirely too easy if you understand the system it so painstakingly shoves down your throat for the first few hours.

>>389166457
The junction system is not the only problem though.
We have the most broken limit break system ever, with instant kill moves that can be used over and over again, as long as you are low life.
Quistis makes even Squall look like a chump outside of boss battles with her bullshit.

>>389157169
it's not as terrible as people make it out to be but it's also really not that great either

like no it didn't kill my dog and rape my sister but i'm certainly not fucking playing it again

>>389166167
Definitely not impossible. I leveled all my characters to max after I got the Ragnarok in my first playthrough. It made everything much more difficult but I still finished without cheating. Only way I beat the final boss though was through constant use of Invincible Moon.

>>389166985

You don't even have to be low life. There's a late-game magic spell that makes it easier to use Limits.

>>389166918
>triple triad
That's an entirely different beat altogether
m-stones scale with your level so you're not making ridiculous things early. You will be able to make 99 zombies for everybody and 99 curagas for everybody fairly early but junctioning each characters specific best magic to their respective slots as well as unlocking the skills and GFs to do so are all things that happen over the course of the game.

By the time you get into the final tier of stone from entering the 3rd scaling range enemies will stonewall you if you don't have vit and spi junctioned into

>>389166918
>but level scaling is the least of the game's problems if you just sit down and actually understand how to properly Junction magic

I know how. The problem was that now knowing that levelscaling existed in VIII meant I didn't know that the enemies had better spells I could draw from them.

So on my first run was basically me with the most basic of spells junctioned.

>>389157169
also, the "lol Cloud is emo!!!" meme never made sense to me because Squall is infinitely more of an emo piece of shit in FF8 than Cloud ever was in FF7

>>389167182
Squall ends up becoming expressive at the end of the game. Cloud goes on to have survivor guilt.

>>389167243
Cloud's really only emo in Advent Children and Kingdom Hearts

KH was particularly weird because it's almost like Squall and Cloud swapped personalities

>>389167243
>Squall ends up becoming expressive at the end of the game

after the worst written romance of a JRPG at that time where he made a sudden 180 shift to his personality

>>389167118

All you need is 99 Waters Junctioned to Squall's Strength stat and you're set until that point of the game, and you can get those within the first hour of the game, and by then you should be well stocked with most magics to be able to overpower all your enemies regardless of tier.

>>389167118
Triple Triad is broken, because Square decided that one of the NPCs in Balamb Garden should carry high level cards that can be morphed into those GF ability learners and super spells like ultima, earthquake, and hastage.
The game can be broken within the first couple hours.

>>389167339
his character arc is a lot less of an asspull than that romance. God I still hate Rinoa.

>>389167405
Waters are only good for the first tier of scaling and nowhere else. If you entered the 15 and up threshold you best have upgraded to firas or zombies or you're in trouble.

>>389167442
No arguments there. I think the only thing that comes remotely close is 9 and you still have to wait till the end of disc 1 to crack the game wide open and overlevel the rest of it by killing some dragons

>>389167182

I don't think that Squall is emo. He suffers from apathy.

Otherwise he wouldn't be so capable. He just simply doesn't give a fuck about anything until he meets Rinoa.

>>389167182
Cloud was never emo, even after he takes the mako dip, the first thing he does after getting out of the coma, was give a inspirational speech about staying alive and finding out what you should fight for in the world.

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>>389166351
No, he grew up and realized that the overrated first babbys fantasy is not really better than the patrician VIII.

>>389167867
It still shocks me that people think the memory loss of all things is an asspull

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>>389167182
"Squall is an emo" meme doesn't make any sense either. Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't "emo" refer to character that is overly emotional and constantly expresses those emotions? Well, Squall shows very little emotion and often goes his way to avoid bothering other people with his bullshit. Doesn't that make Squall more of an anti-emo?

>>389167662
I like to think of Squall and the rest as just some people dealing with the slow fog and erasure of their memories in their own unique way. Squall broods, Selphie is overly chipper, Zell acts out, Quistis instructs/bosses, Seifer bullies

I remember playing FFVIII for the first time in ages back in 2010, without thinking too much or looking up exploits I grinded T-Rexuars in the training centre for dino bones, refined them for quakes and became overpowered before I went to Timber. Things like this are why people hate the game, because it's too easy to exploit, even without card mod. I still like the game however but play it mostly because it is the comfiest FF, the music/atmosphere are both god tier. Shame in disc 4 it takes that away from you.

>>389167984
Yeah forgetting years of your childhood isn't an asspull.

>>389168048
>Correct me if I'm wrong but doesn't "emo" refer to character that is overly emotional and constantly expresses those emotions?
yeah that's incredibly wrong

>>389167867
>patrician

buzzword

>>389167984
it was poorly executed and not bought up at all again after it came out

It's a fucking fever dream of a game. It's great though.

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>>389168139
Show me the correct definition of "emo" then.

Rinoa fucks her dog

>>389168131
some magical being that you attach to yourself so you can summon to kill shit could have side effects

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>>389168258

Rinoa and the "romance" with her are the only things wrong with FFVIII.

PROVE ME WRONG You can't.

>>389168048
Squall did have one of the most awkward in the scenes in the FF franchise, when the whole "Seifer is going to die" thing came up in Galbadia Garden.
If it was voiced, it would be up there with Tidus' laugh scene.

>>389168359
drawing
levelscaling
the plot going to shit on disc 3

>>389168131
Well no, because it's clearly stated, and constantly referenced that junctioning GF (something that is only sanctioned at Balamb Garden) affects memories. The in-universe reasons is because GF's are junctioned into the same space of the mind that memories are stored at.

Like constantly can you find flavor text about this. I didn't even realize people had issue with this until 4chan, because all of my friends got it and I was the odd one out there.

>>389168485
The explanation for the memory loss was not my biggest gripes.
It was mostly the cowboy's and Robin William's reasons not to tell the main cast the moment the Witch business turned into nuclear hellfire.

>>389158496
I started Metal Gear with the original NES game in like 88 or 89, MGS1 is still the best in the series. 2 is great but anyone who says it wasn't a major disappointment wasn't around for its release. 3 ultimately ended up great but it took a revision to get to that point.

FFVII, VIII, and IX are all fantastic and excel in different areas.

>>389168428
>drawing
You never ever have to draw a single time apart from getting those few GFs from bosses.

>levelscaling
Makes little to no difference unless you level up beyond level 40

>the plot going to shit on disc 3
Complaining about plots going full retard on JRPGs is a moot point. As comparison here is FFIV's:

>We must protect the crystals!
>Whoops, we failed!
>WAIT! We forgot about the secret crystals underground!
>Oops, Golbez beat us at it again.
>Oh noes, he activated a tower which goes to.. the moon.
>Luckily for us we just wished for a whale which will fly us there!
>Go to moon just to meet some random geezer who tells you there now is some random robot at earth causing chaos!
>Go back to earth inside said robot to blow it up!
>The random guy from moon now tells Cecil that he is a space orphan and that Golbez is his brother!
>He also says that there is some other random guy at moon that no one has ever heard of that is also happens to be responsible for anything bad that has ever happened!
>Let's go to the moon again to kill him!
>Wait, there is the final boss. Who the fuck are you and WTF are you doing?
>No matter lets kill him!
>And everyone lived happily ever after. Except Golbez who went off with a moon people. The End.

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>>389164365
>The story is great until it jumps the shark, but this goes for almost every Final Fantasy. CD 1 is the best, CD2 is kinda alright, CD3 is weird, somewhat interesting and somewhat cringy and CD4 shouldn't exist.

CD1 is the shit and it's a goddamn shame game devolves into typical JRPG plot afterwards. Being part of SEED and actually doing military operations was great.

>you will never take orders from Cid
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IhxlwQFiGyA

>>389168684
There's actually one real problem I do have with the memory loss. It's mostly with Irvine actually remembering everybody. Like he says he's all bummed out but that doesn't explain why he didn't tell anybody.

That said, it also makes sense why he had his breakdown when he was made to to snipe Edea given he knew who she was. But man he was going to leave the cast in that prison. What a dick

My favorite FF, Rinoa was my first game crush too

If Evangelion and FF8 didn't shape your childhood, 4chink isn't the place for you 2bh

>>389168915
Please stop. This hurt to read.

>>389166457
I don't think FF8 is difficult at all, you can just turn into a breeze if you use Junction correctly.

>>389168959
whatever

>Level scaling
It's trash.

>>389168915
>picking worst girl in FF8
When you have Quistis, Selphie, Ellone, Edea, Fujin, hell even the doctor in Balamb there's no reason to pick Rinoa

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The problem with Rinoa and the "romance" with her is that it simply feels like an after-through that they put in and then tried to make more important than it actully is. Now I kinda like the idea that their romance is a continuation of one between Julia and Laguna that they couldn't have but consider the following:

I'd argue that FFVIII's theme and main plot point is not love but fate and more specifically not being able to go against yours:
It's Laguna's fate to defeat Adel and to become president of Esthar where is forced to stay instead of being able to go back to Raine and Ellone in Winhill.
It's Squall's fate to become the leader of SeeD and to defeat Ultimecia.
It's Zell's, Quistis', Selphie's and Irvine's fate as the children of fate to defeat Ultimecia with Squall and to become the "legendary SeeDs".
It's Ultimecia's fate to get unjustly persecuted for things she hasn't even done yet, to try to overcome her fate with the time compression and ironically causing the exact thing she tried to pretend.
Everyone's fate leads up to keeping the timeloop in game's world going and its important to note no one really wanted their respective fates which is best presented by Squall not being exactly enthusiastic about people forcing the position of leadership of SeeDs to him.

Now what does Rinoa and the "romance" with her has to do with any of this? Absolutely nothing apart from Rinoa being one of the sorceresses whose powers eventually pass on to Ultimecia and that role could have easily been filled by any other female character in the game with or without romance subplot with her.

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>>389169235
I can see the discussion about needing to add the romance sub-plot to FFVIII going like this:

>We have just finished the storyline for FFVIII, it's about not being able to go against your fate and time travel.

>Hmm... I don't think people can relate to that.
>WAIT
>NO
>OK
>I GOT THIS
>LETS PUT A ROMANCE SUBPLOT ON TOP OF IT!
>THEN LETS ADVERTISE THE GAME AS A LOVE STORY!
>NOMURA CAN YOU QUICKLY COME UP WITH A LOVE INTEREST FOR SQUALL?

>Well, I have this sketch of this girl I find cute. (BTW: Rinoa actually IS Nomura's vision of cute)

>PERFECT LET'S USE THAT!

>But sir we already have majority of the game done and we don't have enough time to modify it to include this romance subplot of yours!

>DO IT ANYWAY FAGGOT!

Seriously, think about all the scenes featuring Rinoa especially the ones you need to save her. I can't be the only one who thinks the game goes full-retard during them? Or that FFVIII could be improved a lot by having anyone but Rinoa as the forced love interest or simply by removing the whole romance sub-plot from it all-together? Rinoa really serves no purpose apart from being an eventual love interest for Squall or that the scenes that have focus on rescuing her really feel out of place?

>>389169201
Rinoa was cuter.

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>>389169338
Here is an example of a scene about rescuing Rinoa going full-retard and feeling out of place during the battle of Gardens:

>Rinoa is a dump bitch and falls of the side of the Garden
>Hey Quistis, lets go bug Squall about this, it's not like we have anything resembling a rope on us do we?
>Good idea Zell, let's do that instead of trying to help her ourselves!
>Hey Squall, Rinoa is a dump bitch and fell on the side of garden! Go save her!
>Fuck you guys, I'm busy right now!
>10 minutes later
>But Squall, she'll die!
>Whatever, I don't give a fuck.
>But Squall, she is really going to die!
>Oh my god Zell, I'll go if you just STFU
>15 minutes later
>Squall! For fucks sake go save her!
>I don't wanna and I have a battle against Galbadians to lead here!
>Squall, she is going to die!!!
>Fine, I'll abandon all my duties and go if you guys STFU for real this time.
>Squall goes to save Rinoa by running in the OPPOSITE direction from her
>meanwhile Rinoa is still somehow holding herself at side of the garden with just two fingers despite the Gardens constantly ramming into each other at full speed
>elsewhere Squall gets hit by a giant flying platform
>slow paced fist fight ensues
>the opponent eventually falls off
>steal the device by leaning forward
>Rinoa, jump on this conveniently placed rid cord with a foot hole!
>Yay!!! I knew you'd save me Squall!
>Land in middle of battlefield as Balamb students use swords against niggahs with guns
>"I think we're winning, Squall. HURRRRRR!"
>"Yeah, looks that way... DURRRRRRRRRR"

This certainly feels like a part that is full retard just because they needed to add bullshit featuring Rinoa that originally wasn't there here.

>>389169201
Edea was hot but too motherly, Ellone was her sister figure, Selphie was more cute/silly fun than anything. The rest were barely characters so meh.

>>389169573
>not being hot for teacher

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Now that we have posted the usual arguments and counterarguments to them that we have been throwing to each other the last 10 years let's get to the important stuff:

FFVIII girls power rankings

1. Ultimecia
2. Edea
3. Quistis
4. Fujin
5. Zell's mom
6. Xu
7. Julia
8. Selphie
9. Dr. Kadowaki
10. Raine
11. Ellone
12. Library girl
13. Random female NPCs

9000. Adel
9001. Rinoa

>>389157169
I feel like its a bigger meme to say its great, than it is to hate on it.

>>389169338
>>389169429
Rinoa's purpose in the story was to break Squall out of his shell. He was comfortable taking orders and playing the role of introvert mercenary but her personality goaded him into opening up more.
And every single FF has stupid over the top scenes. This series has never had great writing.

>>389169648
Rinoa is Ultimecia though.

>>389169235
Well to be fair Squall and Rinoa was supposed to be fate reuniting Laguna with Julia but it's whatever. It doesn't make it any less annoying. Like fuck man she was annoying

>>389169235
It was Rinoa's fate to turn into Ultimecia.
Oh wait, never mind.

>>389169760
I'll rip your spine out of your anus

>>389169713
>goaded him into opening up more.

and it was poorly written

>>389169872
Did you miss the last sentence of my post

>>389169836
Jenova was always in control, not Sephiroth.

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>>389169760
You guys REALLY need to let this thing go, I mean we have already wasted more than a fucking decade talking about this bullshit. The fact is that Ultimecia is Rinoa's foil in similar manner Seifer is to Squall and that is all there is to it no matter how much you try to grasp straws towards your precious fanwank theory.

https://www.gamefaqs.com/ps/197343-final-fantasy-viii/faqs/34215
What I want everyone who still tries to talk for the R=U theory to do is to go to above link, ctrl+f [UR1] and read the full analysis there. It is written by the exact same people who originally came up/popularized the theory in early 2000s so does it give the theory more than a fair shake but eventually comes to the conclusion that none of it holds up in the end.

>>389169605
Most annoying character, mommy wanna-be
Freud would like a talk with you

>>389168825
>CD1 is the shit and it's a goddamn shame game devolves into typical JRPG plot afterwards. Being part of SEED and actually doing military operations was great.

https://youtu.be/bcJa5AOMoG0

Best cutscene ever. I would've loved it if they did a SeeD Spin-off where you do missions like these.

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>single handedly stages a successful prison break.
>Is the only one of the orphans who actually gets adopted.
>Only one known to actively search for food. Rest of the party confirmed for androids.
>Punches shit.
>Only one who is knowledgeable about the affairs of the rest of the world. Political situation in Galbadia? Check. History of the Deep Sea Research Facility? Gotchu senpai.
>Has a shrine to his grandfather. He knows respect.
>As a matter of fact, his grandfather was probabbly doomguy. Ever noticed his shotgun on Zell's room?
>Rides hoverboards.
>Alpha as fuck, is the only one who actually has girls swooning over him.
>Master jeweller. Can make a copy of a ring with just some materials.
>Is the source of Squall's tactical genius. Denying the enemy of resources is a valid strategy, even if said resources are hot dogs.
>Is a master martial artist who can learn and create deadly new techniques just from reading magazines.
>Blows so precise he can even swat flies by punching.
>Can run around the world in mere seconds just to punch the shit out of someone.
>Has the strongest Limit Break in the entire game. Lionheart? Get that weak shit outta here.
>A single punch of him is strong enough for people to think there was an earthquake.

>>389169991
A guy at SE confirmed it was false to all further discussion is useless

>>389170019
Not him but I liked quistis for some reason

>>389170056
>I would've loved it if they did a SeeD Spin-off where you do missions like these.
Given how the ...other spinoffs went. Are you really sure you want that

>>389170278
>Chiken-Wuss

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>>389169713
Convince me that FFVIII wouldn't have been an infinitely better game without Rinoa and the "romance" with her.

Convince me that >>389169338 isn't plausible explanation of why .Rinoa and everything related to her is so shit and always feels so out of place?

>>389170278
You forgot about him being Marty McFly.

>>389170414
As someone who has spend way too much time and energy arguing against the irrational supporters of R=U theory for a fucking decade a link, a screenshot or any kind of "hard evidence" to this would literally make my fucking day.

>>389170516
>Convince me that FFVIII wouldn't have been an infinitely better game without Rinoa and the "romance" with her.
I think it's universally agreed that Rinoa isn't a good relationship. Her brute forcing Squall into being emotive is already kind of iffy. That romance on the other hand

>>389170516
You're gay

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>>389157169
People hate on a couple of things that can easily be forgiven overall
>enemy evel scaling is retarded
>draw system lets you cheese your stats, like tripling your health by drawing a ton of early on curaga early on
>Korean soap opera tier story full of plot twists from left field
It's a great story overall, but it'll likely take you a second playthrough to really appreciate it. Junction system is sort of broken, but the game had plenty of challenging fights and the level scaling helps even things up a little too keep you from getting too op. Also, arguably the best ff soundtrack (ff7-tier music)

>>389170852
FF8 needs two playthroughs to get and a third to actually enjoy. And yes it's soundtrack is arguably the best one. At the very least, it's the only Final Fantasy with music featured in the olympics.

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>>389170808
I hate speaking about fan-theories or bringing them up but this one actually does make sense.

>>389157169
It's really bad. The junction system as an idea is amazing. It should be reused and expanded upon in a future FF. Every other aspect of the game ranged from meh to completely shit (MwtMG excluded as well)

>>389170852
>tv station has only 2 small areas
>don't even make sense how they connect
That was lame, it looked massive from outside

Laguna's love stories make up for how bad the rinoa romance is. Listen to eyes on me. Hits me right in the feels

>>389170850
How am I gay for not finding the forced romance with the worst girl good? If FFVIII ever gets remade give me an option to romance other female characters especially Edead and all my problems with FFVIII are solved.

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>>389170516
>>389170808
>>389170850
Take a moment to consider whether this game would be significantly better if Seifer was taking his sexual frustration out on Squall via violence and doing shit to get his attention, and instead of Rinoa, Seifer became the "princess" you had to rescue, who falls for you. Imagine the space catch scene with him telling Squall to quit being a sentimental faggot and showing genuine affection after being rescued. Imagine cross-slash style duo attacks if Seifer and Squall are in the party together.

>>389157169
It's a meme.

>Rinoa romance is bad
Does anyone have a reason other than "well I don't like her"? Compared to other FF games their romance was par for the course.

VIII had the best music, side characters, optional content, and aesthetic of any FF.

>>389164004

There is literally no reason to level untill you get Bahamut and Jumbo Cactuar summons You can be autist and grind Rosetta Stones too but i wouldnt recommend it, its fucking bullshit.

After having Cactuar and Bahamut just Equip the + abilities you want and then level to 100. Enjoy your capped stats.

Also the ladies are complete shitters in the game limit wise, 3 random spells, 1 random move or 1 blue magic vs 9999x22 9999x???? and 9999x????

>>389171278
She's the perfect girl for Squall, it's not one of those gay dating sim they make today with the faceless harem protag

>>389171297
Even this would be better than Rinoa, lol.

>>389171352
She ditches this guy she meets a full 30 seconds after BEGGING him to dance with her and makes an ass of herself/him by bumping into other people in the process
She forms a group of rebels to piss off daddy general
She ditches her rebels to be with the guy she ditched earlier
She only likes said guy because he reminds her of her previous boyfriend
During the Parade she runs off alone to see a dangerous Sorceress by herself almost screwing up Squall's and Irvine's undercover mission. Both of them could have gotten caught and shot
When both of the main Gardens head into war, the only thing Rinoa cares about is Squall's ring?
Then even though she's scared of fighting/ dislikes seeing violence. She fights in a war anyways and when she gets into trouble (AGAIN ) She creates more panic/ stress for everybody
Yeah, she falls into coma. Squall is worried. More panic/ stress for Squall
When she gains the powers that were once from Edea/ Matron. Just feel like Rinoa brings more sadness and heavy emotions onto the group. Everybody is trying to be strong and get ready to fight the final last evil. But just feel like Rinoa's rants about how no one likes her anymore bringing down the groups morale.
She's way too open about her feelings and HER emotions. What about Irvine's, Zell's, Seifer's, Quistis's and Selphie's feelings?
She also shoots her dog like a fucking rocket launcher with total disregard of it's safety.
The "romance" with her ruined the entire game

The worst part is how they tried to make her naive stupid retarded mistakes and nature "endearing." It wasn't good with her, wasn't good with Garnet, and it did retards like Yuna no favors. Only stupid Japs like this archetype

Also Rinoa's character was really defined by her role in the story as the eventual love interest of the hero they just tried to make her more important by making her a sorceress, and if it wasn't for that part, I find it really hard for her to have as much face time in the game as she did

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>>389171297
That's ideas competely fun. Seifer was my favorite ff8 character when I first played it

I always get late to these threads

Still, i feel that VIII is a game that the more you think about it, the better you appreciate it. There's a bunch of stuff in there my teen self completely missed at first. I replayed it a few years back and holy shit, this game actually made sense. Not only that, it's also pretty ballsy in some approaches it does in storytelling. VIII is not so simple as it may look at first glance.

>>389171352
never has any other final fantasy done the "falling in love". Take everything you "like" about it and contrast it with 10's romance.

>>389171297
That guy would like it it seems

>>389157169
My favorite game of all time. Squall is literally the best protagonist of the franchise.

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>>389169760
>>389169793
>Rinoa is Ultimecia

Get on with the times, everyone knows that Zell is Ultimecia nowadays:

Out of constant frustration with the cafeteria being always out of hotdogs, Zell eventually starts to hate Garden and all of SeeD. So he plots his revenge. He starts of by killing Rinoa in order to inherit her sorceress powers. And we all know that sorceress powers changes your body, so in the same way that Adel's body became masculine, Zell's turned feminine. The tattoo on his face slowly changes to the markings on Ultimecia's, and ever so slowly, Zell became Ultimecia. Zell, as he demonstrates in The Deep Sea Research Facility, has knowledge of machinery, so he works Adel's seal in order to preserve himself till the future. His past GF usage causes him to forget that he was ever Zell, which is why Ultimecia asks you to reflect on your childhood, because he doesn't remember his. Find in-game contradictions that proves that Zell doesn't become Ultimecia. This would also explain why he made Seifer his knight as Edea, to get back at the years of picking on him. Make him a servant.

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>>389171791
Your blasphemy will cost you your life

>>389171320
In the West, yes. In Japan, No.
FF8 is one of the highest selling games in the franchise there, and it almost always in the top three favorites when it comes to polling.
It was also a giant merchandise seller at the time, that saw the OST in the top billboard charts.

>>389171791
Zidane is my first. Squall is a good second though.

>>389172009
To be fair the OST is really really really fucking good

>>389172009
I mean it's a meme to hate it.

>>389170852

Btw, what were all the stuff that reads on the board?

>>389171474
>best side characters
I feel like I'm the only one who disliked every single character in the game

>>389172009
Does anyone actually know more about the relative popularity of FF games in Japan? I know nips really like FFX and if the endless remakes of FFIV are anything to go by FFIV.

>>389157169
It's really that bad. If someone is telling you it's a meme to hate a game, it's probably just some retarded fanboy trying to defend their bad game.

>>389172256
>all of them
you might very well be

>>389171562
>he didn't cheese Omega Weapon with Selphie
feels good being a pleb

>>389172256
>imblyign Laguna, Kiros, and Ward aren't top lads
>imblyign Robin Williams and Edea weren't cool/spooky
>IMPLYING FUJIN ISN'T A TOP WAIFU, yaknow
Game breathed more than any other FF

>>389172368

Well yea, i admit, The End is op as fuck but not really needed in anyway. You can just Holy War through everything if you want Omega is more fun to fight normally even when you cant survive all his attacks. Its Kinda like Ozma exept less bullshittery

>>389172325
You mean to each other? I don't think it's possible to use any metric other than sales in japan for that.

>>389172346
>>389172396

I don't know, I feel like every character is out of place, they're not serious enough despite the state of the world (yes I know it's a j-rpg and it's standard)
still, something didn't quite stick and I don't know why since they're objectively decent

>>389157169

FF8 isn't the worst Final Fantasy game, that's FF13, but it sure as fuck has some fucked up design going on. There's no equipment, no stats really, everything revolves around fusing spells into your pokemon that somehow improves your own power. It's confusing and stupid and very, very poorly balanced to the point that you can break it on accident.

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>there'll never be any good FF8 porn

>>389172585
Yes, that's exactly what I meant. BTW if we are going by the sales here then FFVIII would be one of the best and most beloved games in the series.

>>389172718

Commission some asshat from /aco/ to make you some. Some of them are pretty decent in drawing

>>389172692
>that's FF13
Woah there. Let's settle down given that XV has existed and there quite literally isn't a single final fantasy that has split the fanbase more than that. Even XIII seems like childsplay compared to what XV has done to the community.

Anyways you junction magic directly into yourself. Your GFs only give you the ability to do that. But that magic is stuck on you and not them.

>>389171657
Her changing from spoiled princess to learning what it means to be in a group, to have friends, to really fall in love with someone is her thing, guess you don't like it

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>>389172878
XV had better magic than VIII.

>>389172619
Sometimes shit just doesn't click with you. I feel that way about Midgar and everything about VII. That game aesthetics felt like a clusterfuck to me and nothing can change it.

>>389157169
It's the FF2 of the PS1 era.

>>389171657
>She ditches this guy
She was initially only trying to get to the headmaster. She was trying to hire SeeDs.
>She forms a group of rebels
They were rebelling against Galbadia.
>She ditches her rebels
Their base was destroyed and they needed to separate.
>She only likes said guy because he reminds her of her previous boyfriend
That was just the reason for her initial attraction. Plus he didn't give her much reason to like him initially.
>During the Parade she runs off alone to see a dangerous Sorceress
Dumb, sure. Being brash and immature is part of her character in the beginning.
>the only thing Rinoa cares about is Squall's ring?
She was falling for him and it was a gift from him, that she believed was important to him. She didn't have a personal stake in either Garden outside of her friends, who were capable fighters.
>She fights in a war anyways
She didn't have a choice. She was drug into the conflict reluctantly.
>Yeah, she falls into coma.
Again, she didn't have a choice.
>Rinoa's rants about how no one likes her anymore
Sorceresses were feared and hated. Her reaction was understandable.
>She's way too open about her feelings
Zell and Selphie have no problems talking about their feelings. Rinoa bring open is what helps Squall start to open up too. They are opposites.
>She also shoots her dog like a fucking rocket launcher
It's a goofy special move in a fucking video game with flying schools and buried prisons.
>The "romance" with her ruined the entire game
That's just your trash opinion.
>Only stupid Japs like this archetype
Young people tend to be naive. Just because you don't like it (as I said in my previous post, that's your only fucking argument) doesn't mean that no one does.
>Also Rinoa's character was really defined by her role in the story as the eventual love interest of the hero
Her role was to break Squall out of his shell and being the yin to his yang.

>>389172878
No one is "splitted" about XV. There is one autist that defend it to death, a group that say "it's meh but i tolerate it" and another who openly says "it's shit".

>>389173001
No it didn't. XV had next to no magic at all compared to VIII. VIII even had new categories of magic and the final boss creates entirely new spells just to get you out of her hair. You can draw and cast one of them in the final battle.

XV has three different spells (excluding ring magic) that just get bigger but amount to fuck all in reference to series legacy

>>389172878
I know it's cool to hate on XV because it's the newest one, but it's definitely better than XIII. The XIII sequels are arguably better but the original XIII? No fucking way.

>>389172878
that's because FF13 is a given and an universal disappointment
there's nothing good about 13, except the graphics and a few characters.
the only good reason to play is because you're a completionist and wish to play the whole saga because 13-3 has decent moments, nothing more

>>389172718
FF porn really gets the shaft in general.

FF7 has some talent, but it's always Tifa NTR Don shit or Malboro tentacles.
FF8 has nothing.
FF9 is either furrybait or Kuja as a female(male)
FF10 has jackshit too and the rest is nonexistent.

For a series so popular back in the day, it's pathetic. DQ attracted everything.

This game overwhelms me when I think about it. I've caught myself daydreaming about it when I'm bored at work. When my life feels bleak I just imagine myself dicking around on traveling thru the galbadia Regions, watching students go by at the train stations, chilling at the pub in timber reading comics and news, hitting up deling city for some live music and pretty girls. Spending a few nights in a nice hotel in dollet eating the best seafood, admiring art and playing triple triad with the locals.

Sigh

>>389173490
>FF7 has some talent, but it's always Tifa NTR Don shit or Malboro tentacles.
>FF8 has nothing.
>FF9 is either furrybait or Kuja as a female(male)
>FF10 has jackshit too and the rest is nonexistent.
If only you knew

>>389169760
Ultimecia is genderbent Sephiroth.

>>389173406
Fuck off Barry.

>>389173490
>not getting off to malboro tentacle porn
You disgust me.

>>389173775
Because he likes XIII-2 and LR better than XV, right?

ive never played it but i like squall's design more than any other ff character

>>389157223
FPBP i spent a week hardcore grinding draws and beating this game, love the world, the music, love aspects of the characters and story and love to hate it and see it dissected. such a bizarre game.

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>>389173182
I get the concept of "bring Squall out of his shell and being the yin to his yang" but it certainly isn't executed well which really stands out in a game that tries to make the romance between the two a big plotpoint.

Also there is the problem of Rinoa having absolutely no fucking reason to give a single fuck about Squall. Think about how the "romance" with her starts: Rinoa thinks that Seifer (her current boyfriend who she fucked like rabbits year before the events we play through takes place) is kill so he immediately jumps at Squall's dick just because he is the closest gunblade wielding SeeD cadet she can find. Now after she finds out Seifer is still alive does she make any attempt to get back at him or to make him good again? NOPE.

Also I'd like to question Squall loving her even after he gets plot cancer at the end of disc 2. Let's think about the scenario where Squall and Rinoa come back to earth after the moment that they are supposedly madly in love with each other after the scene at Ragnarok. Squall makes zero fucking attempt to stop Estharians from taking Rinoa away from him and only goes to rescue her after literally everyone and their mothers tells him to. I don't know about you guys but if I were Squall at that point I'd either get frozen with the woman I'm in love with, try to stop people taking her away from me or went to rescue her immediately without anyone needing to tell me I should do that because I love her.

It's bad because of the junction system. everything else is a true final fantasy experience, unlike this piece of shit that final fantasy XV is (which has not "final fantasy" substance left in it)

>>389157265
everything about space sorceress (name?) and ultimecia as well as the last section of the game screams of either underdevelopment or being an afterthought, i'd love to see an in depth doc on the subject.

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>>389173649
Actually Ultimecia is a cheeseburger and she wanted to compress time to prevent herself from rotting, growing mold, or any other such things that happen to uneaten cheeseburgers which are subject to the passage of time. And of course, she'd want to get rid of all other beings in the universe seeing as they could potentially eat her.

>>389174220
Squall is Seifer complete opposite and vice versa. Through the whole game Squall pushes people away in his dialogue, but slowly starts to caring about them in his inner monologues. Same applies to Rinoa. Everything fits together and is coherent with the characters,

>>389174220
Rinoa initially goes with Squall out of necessity. She can't fend for herself, Seifer went batty, and her resistance group was all but disbanded.

Squall didn't stop them from taking her because he was still playing the responsible leader role and would have likely gotten himself or both of them arrested or killed.

>oh no a level 100 Bite Bug
>less than 3000 HP
Truly level scaling is the worst ever.

>>389157169
I liked it, but Im not a FF7 fanboy.
I'd say 90% of the hate comes from guys who still use the handle Sephiroth666 for their online accounts.

>/v/ is so contrarian people are actually defending Rinoa now
WEW

>>389174220
tbf he's a 17 old deciding between the world's safety and his lover, I think the insecurity is understandable

>>389157169
The story and characters are far from perfect, but over it's still my favorite and no i'm not saying it's the best.
Still the best OST though and summons, optional content and dungeons, triple triad, best towns and the FMV stuff it did at the time was pretty impressive

>>389174574
Level scaling is hilarious since it fucked normalfags.

>getting to lv. 100 is pretty easy
>the stats boosts from levels are dramatically worse than the levels everything else get
>hurr fuck junctioning and drawing
>I CAN'T BEAT ADEL FUCK THIS GAME

>>389174749
She's female. Female characters will always have some defenders no matter how bad of a character they are.

>>389175113
>Level scaling is hilarious
It's objectively bad design because it punishes the player for engaging in combat even doubly so for this game since your power is innate to your junctioned stats and not raw level.

>>389174749
>>389175164
Nobody has yet to give a solid reason as to why she's bad. It's all been "well I don't like her so she's shit".

>>389175164
Fuukafag is proof of this.

>>389172692
It's actually incredibly simple and I think you might be stupid. You junction magic onto a stat to increase the stat, you junction it onto status attack or defence to raise that, elemental attack or defence to raise that.

It's not more complicated than materia.

>>389174929
I liked the overall design of the game. The artistic style, atmosphere, and to some extent gameplay(implying turn based games have gameplay) were all on point for me.

I naturally think JRPGs are ridiculous bullshit, so the "story flaws" don't bother me as every single Japanese story is a retarded shitshow full of edginess.
>Omg this highschooler with magical demon powers didn't have as good written text lines as that other one!
dont care

>>389175113
>mfw this was me playing it when it came out
>be 8
>can't kill Adel
>spend >9000 hours flying around, getting raped by Ultima Weapon/Jumbo Cactuar/etc
Good times

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>>389171968
>hey what's going on in this thread
>mfw

>>389174749
She's written to be a teenager girl and they succeeded wonderfully. Tidus is written to be an annoying prat and they succeeded wonderfully.

Not liking a character is not the same as a character being bad.

>>389175259
They don't get she isn't there to play the stereotypical childhood love interest. She has an ex, Squall was an asset and the relationship is built on small steps.

>>389175230
The enemy level determines their available drops and spells. I would argue you gain more out of them leveling than they do. And the game gives you the option to level them down as well.

>>389175230
>It's objectively bad design because it punishes the player for engaging in combat even doubly so for this game since your power is innate to your junctioned stats and not raw level.

It makes grinding not necessary. That's it. It doesn't punish you for fighting.

>>389174749
I can understand people liking FFVIII
I can understand people defending FFVIII's gameplay mechanics
I can understand people trying to make sense of FFVIII's story
I can understand people talking for and against R=U, Squall is dead and other FFVIII theories
I have tortured myself by doing all of these for years both here and on other places

However there is one thing I don't understand people liking and defending: Rinoa and the so called "romance" with her.

>>389175259
You have yet to give a solid reason for the "romance" with her being good, enjoyable or well executed part of the game yourself.

>>389175438
>X is written to be a lol so randumb tumblr shiteater and they succeeded wonderfully

>Not liking a character is not the same as a character being bad.
It's like I can excuse anything with this

>>389175563
>It makes grinding not necessary.
It's never been necessary in any FF game unless you want to do optional content.

>>389175627
She's a teenage girl in a story about teenagers. What do you want? FF8 was made to appeal to teenagers, the characters act like semi realistic teenagers. That makes them annoying shits if you're not a teenager.

>>389175563
Game becomes actually harder if you finish your fights instead of escaping. I'd say that can qualify as punishing the player.

>>389175742
Tell that to the marsh cave fucker.

>>389175230
I see that yet another "RPG expert" was exposed being bad at RPGs because he lost the ability just to grind levels to win and instead of actually paying attention to the junction system and thinks that the game punished him for leveling up. Seriously the game doesn't exactly punish you for leveling up as higher level enemies also have better stuff for you to get by Drawing, stealing or as drops after beating them. Even at level 100, the enemies in the game are pushovers if you understand the Junction system and use it correctly. My first time through, with no guides or help, I didn't prevent myself from leveling normally, and still had no issues.

Also level scaling DISCOURAGES grinding for levels which in turn is something /v/ always complains about in JRPGs... now you are complaining about the LACK OF IT. What the fuck do you guys want?

>>389175885
Alright fair point, let me specify then: Every Final Fantasy from the SNES onwards has never required grinding.

>>389176076
I agree. The only good thing about speed running is they show people who say grinding is necessary how wrong they actually are. If some dude can beat the game without fighting any non mandatory bosses then you can do it without grinding.

>>389175769
Yes, anon. Let's ignore the hundreds of jrpgs about teenagers with better written characters and a more believable romance because lol teenagers.

>>389176279
It was specifically written to be about semi realistic teenagers. It is absolutely believable for some lonely dude to fall for the first girl that shows him any real attention.

>>389176041
I'm not that guy but people that defend level scaling need to understand people approaching these games at blank have no idea about this scaling. Sometimes you have fun doing the battles and just keep repeating them, or you want an item, or maybe you really just wanna invest a time doing grinding to easy your way through the game. They are valid options. It's the player choice after all. But these level scaling can essentially put you in some checkmate position pretty hard. It's just unintuitive and doesn't add to the entertainment.

>>389172248
BRINGMEBACKTHERE
IAMSTILLHERE
IWILLNEVERLETYOUFORGETME

Something like that

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Hey guys, what's going on here?

>>389157169
Its not unplayable but it isn't good.

If you give ff8 less than a 5/10 for a jrpg, you're being dishonest.

>>389176692
This.
The fact that there are people defending this piece of trash is worrisome.

>>389176448
First, semirealistic teenagers don't use dogs as ammunition.
Second, there are still plenty of teenagers better than Rina. See Yu Kari.

>>389176878
>First, semirealistic teenagers don't use dogs as ammunition.
Speak for yourself.

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>>389176605

>Play for hours without saving
>This faggot shows up
>Back attack!
>Fire breath literally oneshots the whole party
>Game over

Granted 11 year old me had a very poor understanding of junctions but it still pissed me off.

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>Played FF1-6 and 8
>Decide to play FF7 today for the first time
>Get up until the HQ
Its an okay game, but I can't feel any drive to keep playing it.
I'm guessing that the majority of people that consider it to be one of the greatest games of all time played it either at release or have a massive nostalgia boner for it.

>>389177167
At least get out of Midgar and onto the world map

>>389157169
I think it's a solid 7 or 8 /10.

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>>389176448
>It is absolutely believable for some lonely dude to fall for the first girl that shows him any real attention.
Why didn't he go with Quistis then?

Seriously if both a hot teacher and annoying classmate were both after your cock while you were still a lonely 17 year old dude I would have gone with the teacher, you would have gone with the teacher and everyone else would have gone with the teacher even if the teacher was only year older than you in this case.

>>389177468
>hooking up with your teacher, even if she is only a year older
Besides which, I'm pretty sure he could smell the desperation and confusion on her. She wasn't really into him, she just needed someone to dump emotional baggage onto

>>389157905
nice essay xv-kun

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>>389177025
>play for hours without saving
>die
>comeback prepared
>odin kills it

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>>389177674
>xv-kun
>calling anything other than XV brilliant

>>389177468
>annoying old hag teacher and hot classmate
ftfy

>>389162036
>having expectations for a ff game
the poor naive bastards

>>389157169
Hard to say really, its a game of high highs and low lows

>>389177468
Squall was emotionally damaged because of his childhood and didn't want to be close to anyone.

The problem with Quistis is she gave up after Squall told her to fuck off once.

Squall also told Rinoa to fuck off multiple times in Disk 1, but she kept coming back and trying to get through to him again and again.

The moral is persistence works.

>>389178039
>persistence works
And then you find yourself with a restriction order.

>>389178039
Quistis came on too strong and embarrassed herself

>>389178039
>The moral is persistence works.
Again let's suppose you had two girls wanting your dick. You'd go with the one that isn't constantly trying to get your attention because you'd get bored and annoyed with the one that is.

Also what >>389178273 said.

>>389177468
NO WAY, FAG

>>389163579
lol

>>389173001
>XV had better magic than VIII.

they are just fancy grenades

>>389157169
Better than IX even if fedora tippers believe otherwise

>>389178273
>>389178623
There's a difference between persistence and stalking. But then I guess the people most likely to have restraining orders against them would be people who can't tell the difference.

>>389179321
and Rina would've certainly got a restriction order.

>>389179321
Yes it's the former when a female does it and the latter when male does it. Either way it doesn't work IRL as both genders do reject people that act too needy.

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>>389157169
Honestly everything after 7 is mediocre or just shit, being 9 and 12 the only exceptions

I don't know why the fuck I consider myself a FF fan anymore, it's fucking terrible series

I always lol at those two teenage girls who went to the tomb of the unknown king to lick each others pussies or do drugs or whatever getting BTFO by a blobra and run the fuck out of there.

F-FLOAT

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>>389179948
You included 12 and not 10.
You actually, unironically, did that.

>>389178542
Square did not want Quistis to be considered a possible love interest.
Her, "I only loved Squall as a sister" speech made it very clear Rinoa was the only one the audience had to recognize, and should shut the fuck up about it.