Which Rome should I get /v/? One or two?

imperator?

>>389138364
Depends. If old games don't bug you then rome 1. If your looking for better grafics rome 2. Rome 2 has a lot of flaws but is not bad anymore. Rome 1 is a masterpiece but a bit dated.

They're both fairly different in gameplay

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>>389138364
>mfw that horrendous VA in Rome 2 compared to the first game

>>389138582
How so?

>>389138364
dat OST tho

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a6EIv9GULJU

TRI

>>389138364
Why not both?
Rome 1 is cheap as fuck, even with the expansions.

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>>389138623
different engine, different map (rome 2 started the "super detail" trend of campaign maps seen in every title since, don't mind this really), rome 2 still bugged to fuck (pic related after all the patches since release) while rome 1 works perfectly if a little clunky for its age but that won't matter if you've never played a TW

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Definitely get the old one. The new one is MOBA-fied trash. The old one is a lcassic.

>>389138364
Rome 1 is obsolete and is not even as good as most people make it out to be, and rome 2 is actually not good, so, neither?

Rome 1. It's a classic and then try out Medieval 2.

>>389139287
>Rome 1 is obsolete
Not with mods, no.

>>389139234
>not absurd cliff
Because you can land an army of thousands by boat anywhere.

>>389138364
Rome 1, it's still a solid game and the mods available for it are great

Rome 2 is still pretty bad even with the gorillion patches, its flawed core design can't really be fixed, props for the Divide et Impera mod team for trying though.

I've looked into this a lot recently and from what I've seen, its get Rome 2 and use divide et impera mod.

>>389139403
Do the mods work with the Steam version now? Last I tried Roma Surrectum was a bitch to install.

>>389139091
>rome 2 still bugged to fuck
rome 1 has the epic siege tower bug that is still bugged and has never been fixed.
there is a mod to sort it out though or workaround in ini files.

R1 campaign is very simple the settlement building is really easy and repetitive too.
R2 campaign is in depth, settlement building needs to be thought out and alltogether management is a better process.
The only downfall R2 has is that the familyy system from R1 is replaced with a political system.
As a TW fan who started on R1, and R1 is still my favourite game. I would suggest for OP to play R2 if they want a better campaign game.

>>389139525
Dunno about that, but Europa Barbarorum should work.

>>389139553
>The only downfall R2 has is that the familyy system from R1 is replaced with a political system.

imo the atmosphere of R2 is also much weaker

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>tfw Ancient Empires mod for Attila is DOA
Why does Attila barely have any good conversion mods? It's the best historical title in terms of gameplay and mechanics but it's simply stuck in the most unfun setting of the series. Shit there are barely any mods that break up the two Roman Empires so then it wouldn't be a pain in the ass to play as them.

>>389139553
>hurr its beddur becuz u micro manage every settlement more
Rome 1 even has the old population system in settlements that makes growth buildings hugely important for the prosperity of the settlement and whether your army will be capable of regening, meanwhile Rome 2 has docks and other things branched out, wew so great, really makes up for the shitty battles as a result of the poor pairing with the warscape engine and the bugs.

>>389139727
The biggest flaw of R2 right there. It simply doesn't have the atmosphere that makes Rome 1 so good. The music is trash. The graphic art style is trash. The maps are less distinctive. The battles don't even look as good. The gameplay is also bogged down by retarded MOBA-style spells with cooldown.

>>389138364
I much prefer the first game, especially with Europa Barborum mod installed. But the second game is still good and is much much better then it was at release.

Rome 2 is basically just a prettier version with more factions and units but worse gameplay.

>>389139553
>settlement building needs to be thought out and alltogether.
This.
The improvments made to shogun 2 with the city building is far superior to the old style. The game is now about make specially provances and resource management then just building every building in every city. Quality over quantity.

>>389139796
Units don't regen in 1. You just retrain them in a city which is very annoying and micro heavy

>>389138593
To be fair, the first games VA was horrendous too but it was horrendous in a campy fun sort of way rather than just irritating.

>>389139732
Because Attila is sadly barely played. Combination of coming from bad last game and not many interested in the time period.

>>389140004
Rome 1 VA at least feels like someone gave a fuck and really got into the VA. Rome 2 VA is people pretending to do the same, but they can't do it because they wanted to keep it SRS BSNS. Not a single modern Total War game has had good VA. I can't tell with Shogun 2 because it's all Japanese.

>>389139937
FOTS is the best game in the series from a mechanical point of view. Unfortunately it's stuck in boring Japan.

If a FOTS-like game was released for Ancient Europe, it would've been the greatest TW ever. But for now, Rome 1 with mods is.

>>389139965
That's what I meant, just have regen stuck in my head from playing all the new games. I loved how I had to think before sacking shit to see whether slaughtering the population would benefit me if I had to retrain quickly after building up the requisite military buildings.

>micro heavy
it hardly takes any micro, unlike settlement building where you have to look over all the settlements you don't give a shit about, meanwhile you do (or should) give more of a shit about your armies than settlements and monotonous empire building (which I also enjoy but it's not the bread and butter of the game)

>>389140142
SHAMEFUR DISPRAY

>>389138364
2
get attila if you dont mind horrible optimization

>>389140059
That can change with mods though, since you have one that is basically what Rome 2 should've been and another that turns the game into Medieval 3. Problem is that we'll never know when they'll decide to finally release those mods.

>Total War Grand Master Collection
>Total War Master Collection Sept 2014
Which one should I get, /v/?

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:::Objective Total War Tier List:::

>God Tier
Total War: Shogun 2
>High Tier
Total War: Warhammer
Total War: Attila
Total War: Napoleon
Total War: Medieval 2
>Mid Tier
Total War: Empire
Total War: Rome 2
Total War: Rome
>Low Tier
Total War: Shogun 1
Total War: Medieval 1

>>389140696
t. 16 yearold

>>389139553
>settlement building needs to be thought out and alltogether management is a better process.

Tbh with the system in Rome 2 you get dumb shit with huge cities like Rome having only 5 building slots because the 6th one is always a port, not to mention there isn't really strategy, everyone just makes the province capital have the military buildings while the minor settlements have the farms and/or temples (that later get converted into farms once the public order stabilizes and your culture is the biggest one in the province)

They fix it somewhat in Attila, there's really no point in playing Rome 2 anymore when Attila exists.

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>>389140696
>Empire

>>389138364
>dat feel when STILL can't buy Rome 2 and Attila without paying an arm and a leg for them

I'm not paying $30 each and that's at 75% discount. Fuck that shit. SEGA discontinued Complete versions, though.

Shogun 2 my friend.

>>389140804
>not building around wonders, strategic, and trade resources

>>389140874
Attila isn't that expensive but why did they have to lock out factions in a paywall when they're already IN THE FUCKING BASE GAME CAMPAIGN

>>389140145
The battles maybe. But are you really saying that the city building in FOTS is better than R2's or Attilas?

Who here hype for Total War: China?

>>389140696
Am I the only one that calls the new games by their name, and then Total War?
Warhammer Total War sounds better than Total War: Warhammer to me.

>>389141087
DADODO

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>>389141023
>wasting a building slot with stuff you don't actually need

Only mandatory resource building is iron since it helps upgrade your troops and horse trainers if you're a filthy hammer and anvil fag

>>389140176
If you have a 20 stack that all needs training odds are you'll have to switch only a proportion of those in and out with the units you have garrisons in a city

>>389140804
Not really. The main province I usually turn into an economic powerhouse since taxes are usually better there. Then I use some province (hopefully with iron) to make every single military building, including buffers like temples and the ones that give xp (which can only be built in the capital mind you).

TRIARIEYE

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>>389140696
>shogun S tier
>Rome mid tier
>objective

I think we can all agree Med 2 and R1 are top tier TW games

>>389141194

I just don't get what the fuck they were thinking with Warhammer.

Total Warhammer was the logical name for it.

>>389140874
>paying an arm and a leg for them
>CA sale right now
>R2 and Atilla is £7.50

>>389141384
Because Total War™ and Warhammer™ are two different IPs

Combining the two sounds like a legal nightmare, especially when dealing with Games Workshop who are notoriously jewy with their franchises

What are the best mods for attila rn?

How's Third Age Total War?

>>389141194
yeah I call it Rome total war.
originally the games wer called that until they "rebranded" at Shogun 2 iwith total war being first.

>>389141876
The best LOTR game ever made.

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>Rome II

First and last pre order

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>>389142079
>pre-ordered rome 2
>said I'd never buy a TW again
>bought Attila
>bought Warhammer
>pre-ordered Warhammer 2
someone stop me

>>389142079
same, it was broke as fuck at launch too.
I remember having a massive battle, controlling and winning the battle just for a few routed troups to be camping on a random point in the middle of nowhere on the battlefield, take the point a make me lose.
Stupid

Last TW game I have bought.
might buy a R3 or M3 if they ever make one, but pick it up cheap.
dont want to support their jewishness.

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>>389142267
What? The games AI was the best yet

>>389140696
>Med2
>Not god tier
Faggot

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>>389142239
We´re in the same boat.

>>389139287
Just because there is a new game, rome 1 isnt obsolete, rome 2 took away more than or added it's a shit game and a horrible waste of money that you will regret as soon as you open it and see you have to buy the rest of the game
t. Someone who didnt grow up with total war but played both romes later in life

>>389138364

Rome I has better graphics and a much better battle engine

Rome II is fucking shit like every Total War game made after 2007. Includes Shogun II.

>>389142376
what the fuck. Haven't played Rome 2 but from my experience of MEdieval 2 and shogun 2 you can take your troops, attack the rear and win.
This is retarded pathfinding.

>>389142376
AI is broken af anon, it was one of the major issues people complained at on launch.
idgaf as I don't play the games for a challenge in battles but my gripe was that they added these random cap points in the middle of the battlefield, so you can win the battle early, I routed and nearly killed an entire unit, it ran off, then came back to the battlefield and capped a point on the battlefield that was nowhere near the battle.
I lost the match because of it, despite that i was winning.
I was pissed off.

>>389142376
3 mid/high tier pikes > A whole army
Rome 2 in a nutshell

>>389138364
Rome 2. It took years to get to this stage, but we finally got there, and 2 has become the better game. Atilla is still the best Total War game though, so there's that.

>>389143256
>Atilla is still the best Total War game though
>not medieval 2
wat

>>389138732
I play Rome II with a mod that replaces all the music with Rome TW music. Makes the battles so much better.

>>389143356
>medieval 2
Wat

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>>389143356
Brainlet detected, I love medieval 2 for its mods but the game is janky as fuck and straight up broken.

The worst path finding by far (fuck moving units on/off walls), units not fucking doing what you tell them to, multiple unit types being broken in different ways (pikemen don't use their fucking pikes most of the time, crossbowmen and gunners wont shoot from castle walls, animation for halberds is OP, cavalry physics are super OP), shitty stat balancing (shield + sword knights beat all other knights by a massive amount, any cav unit) ect.

>>389143256
I honestly want to see if Attila is the best game but it runs like terribly compared to Rome 2 amazing optimization for a TW game. Have a GTX 1070 and i5k CPU.

>>389140696
Medieval 1, Rome 1, Medieval 2 and Attila are my favourites.

Many A True Nerds playthrough of Rome: Total War made me want to play it but I don't have a PC is there anything similar on Xbox?

>>389140059
No, its mostly because it is badly optimized when compared to other TW games.

>>389143925
Campain Ai is broken as fuck also. Im yet to play a campaing where an ally hasn't declared war on me because I left our peaceful boarder unprotected. In multiple games the Ai tends to favor attacking the player completely ignoring other enemies to attack you even it it is out of the way..

>>389139234
To be fair most of the map stuff is just clutter. Next you'll be praising M2 for Merchants. The resources were just a way to pad out the map (richer regions get some 3d models scattered around, whatever they're all ultimately just a few more bucks a month). It's actually easier to see the roads on the new one and the settlements look better. I'm still a bigger fan of Rome 1 but the new map isn't bad looking.

>>389139234
god I miss the good maps, even Warhammer's campaign map is so stale.
Playing Medieval 2 right now doing Sicily and it feels so good getting those trade lanes going

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Pre-order Rome 2 they said

It will be fun they said

>>389142473
honestly the only thing dragging it down is the Pope system. just lemme conquer (for christ sake)

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>>389138364
The combat in R2 is complete shit. Also R1 is harder to finish, your empire really starts to fall to cooperation/public order problems when it starts to grow.

Also R1 has god tier music. >https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rdn0o6LFlHQ
>playing as the ancestors of the white races just now forming civilization

Divide Et Impera's current release for Rome II is by far the best Total War game.

>>389144408
To this day it still boggles my mind how can anyone defend Rome 2. Even with the """""""improved""""""" Emperor's Edition and Divide et Impera I can't stand playing it for more than 50 turns.

>>389138364
Rome 1. Once you're bored of it, mod it and you'll triple the lifespan. Rome 2 honestly isn't terrible any more, but I don't like the feel of battles compared to Rome 1. The battles are supposed to be half the fucking game.

>>389144521
Pope system is really easily to not only handle but use as a weapon. Calling crusades on your enemies feels so satisfactory

>>389138364
The old one is good but 2 is definitely better, despite its shaky release but the most glaring issues are fixed.

>>389144601
I tried this mod and found out that Macedonia gets a 200 size cav super bodyguard and then I became cum

great mod

>>389144629
I'll give you that. It's great as Venice, not so fun w/ England and boy I love playing England.

>>389144718

It's also the only Total War release I've ever played with good battle AI, full stop.

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Rome 1 is great fun but has some glaring issues in vanilla

>>389144408

Because no other TW's siege battles are bugged the fuck out, right.

>>389144853
No where near as much. Only Empire really comes to mind. What bugged out for you?

>>389138364
none

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Is the average fan of this series a retard like >>389139553 ?

How do play both Romes back to back and not notice the glaring design in the sequel?

Fuck everything.

>>389142079
noticed how ugly vanilla Rome II compared to Shogun 2?

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>>389144521

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>>389142239
All those games are good anon, tho I never pre-order anything. Shame on you for that for giving money for literally nothing.

>>389144521
>>389146503

Thanks God for Assassins, try to excom me again, child molester i fucking dare you

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Best Total War is Warhammer. No question.
Even better than Rome Surrectum like a 100 times

>>389139234
How is it a MOBA?

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>>389138732
>tfw no more Jeff van Dyck

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPPQ80QfFt0

How can Richard Beddow even compete?

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>>389146930
*Buys the pope*

>>389146797
You get Norsca dlc for no additional cost when preordering Warhammer 2 though.

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>>389147176
>>389140696

>no banners/musicians
>no speeches aside from quest battles
>no 1v1 giant animations, they attack each other’s ankles instead
>no minor settlements
>no night battles
>no units pushing siege towers
>no reload animations for the majority of units
>no seasonal changes
>no agent cinematics
>no soundtrack by Jeff van Dyck
>no multiplayer avatar conquest from Shogun 2
>no burnable cities mechanic from Attila
>no siege escalation mechanic from Attila
>no random civilians running around during a siege feature from Attila
>no dynamic music feature from Attila
>no vomiting soldiers during battle when the army is struck with the plague feature from Attila
>no breathless and tired looking soldiers during battle when the army is fighting in forced-march stance feature from Attila
>no unique camp-site battle map while in encampment stance
>Karl Franz visually holding Ghal Maraz even though he hasn’t equipped it
>Archaon's helmet clipping still not fixed
>generals no longer gain visual upgrades as they rank up(i.e. viking generals in Attila would gain a gold trimmed helmet at rank 4 and a fully decked out gold helmet at rank 8)
>no dismount cavalry option during battle
>no shock cavalry using swords in melee
>no visual trade caravans or trade ships on the campaign map
>no roads infrastructure mechanic
>n̶o̶ ̶b̶r̶i̶d̶g̶e̶ ̶b̶a̶t̶t̶l̶e̶s̶
>no naval battles
>no family trees
>no governors
>no BANNERS AND MUSICIANS

Does anything think Shogun 2 had by far the best economic system Upgrading your castles meant less food for economic investment. Long term stability and strong infrastructure would lead to mega profit in the long run. All the resources had real uses. Then they went to Rome 2 and everything sucked...

>>389148576

Why is he reacting like that over Shogun 2? It's a good game.

>>389140142
>Not a single modern Total War game has had good VA
Warhammer m8

>>389148576
what's wrong with Shogun 2 you nob?

>>389149115
It's a bait image so obvious tho

Attila
>bad
Napoleon
>bad
Empire
>bad
Shogun 2
>bad
Warhammer
>good

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>>389148576
>Shogun 2
>Attila
>bad
nigga u srs

>>389149204
SUMMON THE ELECTOR COUNTS

>>389148526
Lets be honest. We dont even need the majority of those "functions"

>>389149115
>>389149221
>>389149280
Shogun 2 is trash

>>389149391
We don't need video games

>>389149418
Average fantasycuck lady and gentlemen

>>389149280
>this contrast level

>>389142079
yup

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>>389148576
>Medieval 2
>A positive experience

>>389142079
Are you me ?

>>389149490
>fantasycuck
>Rome and Medieval 2 are my favorite
Fuck off Japanaboo

>>389148526
>no multiplayer avatar conquest from Shogun 2

that was a big pile of shit tho

>>389149592
newfag detected

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>>389139732
wait, why is Ancient Empires dead on arrival? I thought it was coming out soonish

Who else /fetishforlineinfantrylikeFredericktheGreat/ from playing Empire?

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>>389150620
The custom games roster was released 1 year ago and there's been no progress since then.

>>389149418
The only problem with it is lack of unit variety

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>>389138364
You should get a real strategy game instead of this babytier trashware

>>389138364
Neither.

Get Shogun 2.

>>389151378
every non paradox gsg is shit

>>389151221
Meanwhile the guy making Medieval Kingdoms 1212 is still updating but he's still adding factions. Just give us the campaign already for fucks sake.

>>389151908
1. gsg is an almost meaningless term
2. who actually makes 'gsg' besides paradox??
3. AJE is all about warfare, it's nothing like paradox larping simulators

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>>389152329
Only larping paradox game is CK2.
I'm talking about games likesupreme ruler, making history, realpolitiks. They are all crap.
Paradox is pretty much a monopoly gsg dev

Can someone tell me which Total War games are good and which ones I should avoid?

>>389151908
Paradox gsg is shit too

>>389140142
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=chPRYXS0YZI

>>389139553
Wait, was is the bug with the epic siege towers? I played RTW a lot but you usually don't encounter epic walls unless you are going toe to toe with a Roman faction.

Digging tunnels was easier anyway. Fighting on walls sucked dick.

>>389153386
Good:
>Rome (with Roma Surrectum)
>Medieval 2 (with Stainless Steel)
>Napoleon (wih Darth Mod)
>Shogun 2/Fall of The Samurai (vanilla is good but Darth Mod makes it better a bit)
>Attila (Vanilla is cool with lesser graphical mods perhabs)
>Warhammer (the best one so far if you like dark fantasy you gonna love it)

Avoid:
>Empire,
>Rome II
>all the pre Rome Total war games. Those are for oldfags.

>>389153572
Paradix is not shit. But it is getting shitier by the day!
Sequels more gamey and less realistic and simple than the previous entry! It's like they don't know only autists and historyfags play their games.

>>389153386
Rome 1, Medieval 2, Shogun 2 are considered good games by most of the TW fanbase, Napoleon is "okay".

Attila depends if you like the period and doesn't mind all units look the same germanic barbarians wearing chainmail but with a different color, Warhammer it all come downs to if you like fantasy or not, if you like it chances are you'll find it a good game.

Avoid Rome 2 and Empire, everything they do both their successors (Attila for Rome, Napoleon for Empire) do better.

Is the dlc worth getting for warhammer? Should I even bother and just wait for warhammer 2?

>>389148576
> starting with Rome.
> he never played medieval 1 or shogun 1.

Pleb opinion.

After waiting for year+ for Warhammer to be cracked I was terribly disappointed. Game runs like shit like I've never seen a TW run before, not even Rome 2 on launch. It's just terrible on a 4690K/970.

Maybe for that reason my favorite TW still is Shogun 2, esp. with FoTS

>>389154583
FoTS is the apex total war experience.

None of the other games have that same level of polish and attention to detail.

>>389153936
Put 2 towers too close together and one of (or both) units will bug out once they connect to the walls and be unable to enter them. There was also another bug that I forget how you triggered where when they ran out of the towers onto the walls they wouldn't stop running and fall off the other side, wiping out the unit.

>>389143050
>3 mid/high tier pikes > A whole army
Sure you're not talking about R1?

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>>389154583

>3.5gb vram
>not having at least gtx 1070 with an i7 in 2017

>>389145275
>R1
>siege towers that are too close together will prevent troops from entering them
>units will exit the towers and immediately run off the other side of the wall, killing themselves
>M2
>due to the shitty animation system, units can get "stun locked", and be unable to attack anything, causing wall fights to be broken because units are pressed too closely to each other
>enemy ai cannot path-find siege equipment past the first tier of walls for fortress/citadel maps, meaning you are guaranteed to win if you simply deploy at the second tier.
Shogun 2 displayed some pretty shitty path-finding from the ai on siege maps regularly, often attacking pointless sections of walls that just get them killed faster.

>>389154012
>shogun 2
The realm divide ruins it for me. Call me a casual if you like but having allies since the first round turn on you because muh shogunate is stupid.
And after that it is a always a stalemate cause I have to fight 10+ armies with 3 and can't advance.

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Rome 2 is high tier with mods like DEI and GEM

>>389154931
Ok, both of those are believable. Anything to do with siege walls was always painful. IDK, the game was just picky with that shit. Hence digging tunnels.

My favorite is Fall of the Samurai.
Rate my plebness.

>>389139732
Attila (and by extension Rome II) are very mod unfriendly if you're doing anything beside units.

Maps, Campaigns, World scripts, are next to fucking impossible. We will never see Medieval II levels of Total War modding ever again.

>>389155656
It`s better in Darth, you get to keep your allies at least.

>>389140696
how can a man be so wrong?

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>>389155857
10/10

SQUALOR

>>389155656
>The realm divide ruins it for me
Yup, this. If would've been Rome 1 tier (9/10 game) for me if it wasn't for Realm Divide, but everyone ganging up on you (even your allies or enemies that are several miles away from you) is stupid as fuck.

The Nobunaga Ambition games do it much better.

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>tfw we'll never get a mod-friendly TW game with the newest mechanics
It would be neat if it could support the unit types of Warhammer along with the generals + entourage from previous titles

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>>389155857
Considering that FotS is the best gunpowder game and S2 is the second best no-gunpowder game (with Tilla being first), i rate it 10/10

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>>389155734
comparing to Roma Surrectum still sucks dicks.

>>389156194
I really hate the strategy layer of total war games with a passion. The biggest failing of the strategy layer is its seeming inability to make interesting encounters unless you really, REALLY expend a lot of time and effort trying to make them happen. But 90% of the time you'll be fighting the same three fights with the same handful of units until you hate yourself and just want to quit to the menu and play a historical battle or a custom battle to remind yourself that total war can actually be fun if you aren't minmaxing squalor and pushing out large numbers of boring shit units and fighting on flat boring terrain and almost never fighting with your cool and interesting units on cool and interesting terrain because that shit is inefficient and this shit isn't about your fun its about autistically managing squalor in all 40 of your settlements.

>>389154356
pirate for the love of god its like 120 bucks or something on sale.

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>>389156296
>tfw no perfect mix of total war battles and Nobugungan Ambition campaign map game.

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>>389156632
>besiege practically undefended settlement in RS
>it immediately fills up

>>389139287
i bet you enjoyed everysingle bit of this post you mothafocka

>>389138364
How is this game not free yet?

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>>389156890
14 bucks here + with creamAPI you can get all the shit for free

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>>389156632
I played the fuck out of Roma Surrectum.

but the BAI in Rome 2 is better.
but the Campaign map gameplay in Roma Surrectum is the greatest.

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>>389157023
>its called garrison

>>389138364
Rome 1 is miles ahead of that thrash 2.

>>389138364
why is stainless steel so perfect

Never understood why everyone finds Shogun 2 a good Total War game. I discovered Total War series in 2015 yet I still find Rome I and Medeival the best TW games. Shogun is pretty fucking boring.

How do you find fun in fighting 40+ versions of your own faction? I tried playing it but got too tired of it after 30 turns. What makes you play Shogun in 2010+7?

>>389157659
Stainless Steel did everything just the way I wanted it to be in Medieval 2. What faction your frontin'?

>>389158347
My boys, the crown of Aragon

>>389158478
Legit

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>>389158241
>40+ versions of your own faction

you are wrong here.
Different factions got different traits, buffs, debuffs. +I can clearly see you never played RotS or FotS.

>>389138364
One is better in every way except graphics. If you prefer movies to games, get Rome 2.