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What is Lufia 2?

>>389134862
Dragon Quest V
thread over

>>389134862
what is Paper Mario TTYD

Grandia 1

>>389134862
Either Persona 5 or Dragon Quest V tbqh

Even though I dont particularly like it because its too easy it has to be CT

Golden Sun series
Breath Of Fire series
Bravely Default

There doesn't exist a good JRPG

>>389134862
What is Suikoden 2?

What is Dragon Quest III?

The party custimsztion allows for a lot of options with plenty of replay value to boot
World map exploration is excellent and the world is just the perfect size not too big and not to small
Battle mechanics are well balanced and any combanition of parties can work
Nonlinear but not aimless or pointless
A real genuine plot twist that is actually unexpecting and leads into at least 6 or so more hours of playtime and rewards you from playing DQ1 and DQ2
The emphasis is on exploring the world and being on a fucking adventure instead of 2derp4u plots or embarrassing romance sub-plots.

You are no aware that the JRPG genre reached it's peak in 1988 and it has been all downhill from there.

skies of arcadia or dark cloud 2

Dark Souls

>>389134862
Mother 3

Undertale

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>>389134862

Lost Odyssey

i think it really is Suikoden II

Just getting into JRPG's
Is it possible to play Xenoblade Chronicles on a wii emulator for PC?

>>389134950
>persona 5
Style over substance. Not even the best in its own series.

A couple of years ago, this thread would be filled with The World Ends With You-posts. I guess it wasn't really that great after all, huh.

>>389135328
If your computer ain't shit, yeah. I think there's an HD texture pack for the game as well.

>>389135331
It is by far the best game in its own series. Because it nails the gameplay, which is the main point. The other aspects are up for debate.

>>389135380
TWEWY is actually pretty damn good, but I've never personally considered it to be one of the very best.

>>389134862
Disgaea is SRPGs count. It's still japanese.

pokemon crystal

>>389135314
Mah niggah.

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This as obviously the only reason to think that it isn't the best game ever made is that you just pretend to hate it beacause it has gotten too popular.

>>389135495
FFX was better

>>389135328
Yes and it's pretty much the definitive version of the game it looks so fucking good with the texture packs.

Any recommendations for someone just getting into JRPG's not including Final Fantasy?
I'd like to play the classics first I guess, just finished Chronotrigger so I'd like something more modern now.

>>389134862
Ni No Kuni

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>>389135669

for me its Shin Megami Tensei Nocturne

>>389135648
Breath of Fire 3 on the PS1 is a pretty damn good. It's not exactly modern though.

>>389134862
CT
Nice story, not complex, not edgy simply solid.
Had a nice amoun of mini games.
Solid system without much complexity for the sake of it.
And the game doesn't take itself much seriously. Nice silly jokes and reactions.
SOLID. in every aspect.

>>389135495
More often than not the only people who think that is the greatest JRPG or even just the greatest Final Fantasy are those people for whom that was their first JRPG or Final Fantasy game they played.

>>389135669
Please answer in the form of a question.

Also, no. What the fuck have you been taking.

>>389135758
Yeah I'd be inclined to also still vote Chrono Trigger.

>>389135648
There's a wide selection you can choose from, but it might help if you say what you enjoyed/hated from Chrono Trigger.

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>>389135465

>>389135495
What level should the party be for sephiroth on disk3, and is it worth getting omnislash for it? I have everyone's final weapons but only Berret/RedXIII have their lvl4 limits. Party is lvl 55-56, backups are all 45-47.

>>389135403
>Because it nails the gameplay, which is the main point.

But the gameplay is still shit like in the rest of the series

>>389135495
Too serious
Too edgy
Not even the best FF combat
Ugly as shit because first FF with 3d

>>389135758
>>389135828
>triggerniggers

>>389135495
Too much filler and fluff. Parts of the main story feel like side quests added for padding.

>>389135758
>Solid system without much complexity for the sake of it.

It also lacks any sort of depth

>>389135648
Xenoblade Chronicles

>>389135669
I so sincerely wish this game was better than it was. Fuck the gameplay I'm so glad they're changing it for 2.

>>389136009
Yeah, it's its flaw. But no jrpg is perfect, but I think CT is the most solid one. It embodies everything that made JRPGs popular.

>>389135964
>Too serious
>Too edgy

It certainly was for me. I kind of lost interest when too many helicopters and men in suits started showing up.

FFVIII took even shorter time for me to drop.

Haven't played any of the later. I hear IX and XII are pretty cool.

I only played one SMT (IV) and fuck, I fell in love!

>>389135982
At least we ain't talking about Chrono Cross.

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>>389136138
>the actual gameplay is crap
>but I think CT is the most solid one

Can the best be my favourite?

>>389136009
I disagree.

>>389136317
Not crap. It just isn't as deep as other JRGs. But it had enough variation. And combinations were pretty cool.

>>389136317
CT's gameplay ain't crap, it's just shallow. If the game was more difficult there might have been more you could do with the battle system.

>>389136017
I second this as a more modern entry, but playing it right after CT might make it seem rather kitsch and very animu.

Xenoblade

>>389136403
then you haven't played many video games

>>389136410
>>389136438

it's crap because it's shallow. You just smash your face on the controller and win as long as you remember to toss out some healing every now and then(thought sometimes the boss starts charging and then you have to guard)

>>389135958
Gameplay in P5 is great, albeit a bit too far balanced in favor of the player. They literally took all of the best aspects of 3, 4 and the portable versions. Saved an assload of time with fusion by removing the random aspects and fuse by result is 2 cool

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>>389136623
>then you haven't played many video games

I just haven't played many jrpgs. Most of them are too animu for me.

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>>389134862
what is persona 5

>>389136697
You you actually get to work as a
valkyrie in this game?

>>389136467
CT is very anime, don't know what you're on.

>>389136780
It isn't at all when compared to Xenoblade.

>>389134862
What is Fallout 4?

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Playing Chronotrigger for the first time a few weeks ago
Get to the Temple of Zeal

>>389135495
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=arAOYBZZSE0

>>389136645

>spam the same attack attack attack heal rotation until you beat the game, sometimes throwing in some buffs if it's a boss
>Gameplay in P5 is great

>>389135152
>>389135323
>>389135715
>>389136017
>>389136468
I can't decide between these.

>>389134862
Final Fantasy VII

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Final Fantasy 7. It says so on the case.

Skyrim

>>389136623
>it's crap because it's shallow. You just smash your face on the controller and win as long as you remember to toss out some healing every now and then(thought sometimes the boss starts charging and then you have to guard)
You're conflating difficulty and complexity with quality. I personally prefer much more difficult games than CT, but the gameplay in CT is pretty polished all things considered, even if it is simple.

>>389136317
If you want good gameplay you play Western RPG's you moron

>>389136623
So it's crap because you think it's shallow, and it's shallow because you think it's too easy.

Okay.

>>389136830
You haven't seen any 90s anime? Or anything with Toriyama's artstyle?

>>389136776
Yep. You go places, the game shows you some horribly depressing death, then you swoop in and make them an Einherjar.

>>389136914
>GameFan
Probably the worst vidya magazine to ever exist

>>389136885
Try doing a low level hard run, or something that forces you to figure out new strategies on your own.

>>389137035
Those are not what people mean when they say "animu" though. And even then, Xenoblade way outdoes CT in character arc and storytelling tropes.

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>>389136776
Yes, it's in the title. You recruit dead peoples the whole time and decide if you're gonna train them and send them to Valhalla to help with the war or keep them with you instead, which can make Odin furious and trigger bad ends etc or whether or not you find out the truth about yourself as a valkyrie.

Absolute kino and my favorite game of all time

>>389137035
Toriyama is not generic Animu style you dumbshit
It's one of the most iconic manga/anime styles that has the most worldwide appeal

>>389137130
Xenoblade doesn't outdo shit. It's way too overdramatic(MUH FIONAAAAAAA ;_;) for it's own good compared to CT's more subtle and elegant characterization.

>>389137162
Which it's generic by definition.

>>389137091
Do you get to fight in the final battle for Asgard?

Or, I guess that would be a spoiler of sorts.

>>389137148
Lenneth is the greatest female protag ever.

>>389137235
Yeah I don't want to spoil anything. It's heavily based on norse mythos though.

>>389137220
That's exactly what I'm talkinga bout though. It's way kitsch and animu compared to CT.

Not sure it's a nice segue into modern jrpg design right after having played CT. Which is what people were suggesting.

>>389137220
>CT's more subtle and elegant characterization
All that really comes to mind is Robo, and Magus to some extent. Not saying Xenoblade is a masterpiece of literature, but it's better on the character front in my mind.

The best JRPG I would argue is the first one you play. The more experience you have with the genre the less interesting each game becomes unless it really goes out of its way to be thematically different. SMT seems to be the most divergent of the typical JRPG tropes and even then with Persona overtaking it in interest and popularity, it's kind of fallen back into that samey structure.

Personally, I would make this my top 5

>Chrono Trigger
>Final Fantasy IX
>Suikoden 2
>SMT Nocturne
>Dragon Quest VIII

>>389137224
No it isn't. That style is unique to Toriyama.
People that tried to ape Tori's artstyle never succeeded back then

Generic is the common artstyle you see in most manga/anime. Toriyama's style has always been different from his contemporaries.

>>389137224
No. I don't think you understand the word generic.

Generic would be something you DIDN'T recognize the origin of, because it looked like everything else.

>>389136697
I hate how getting the best ending is impossible without a guide and how sending einherjars to Asgard is generally avoided for said ending. I love how the difficulty determines the dungeons you do.

>>389136991
Exactly.
Look at SMT. Simple as fuck battle. Yet one of the hardest JRPG series. You need to plan ahead a lot and use the right demons/fusions for the task.
CT is indeed easy compared to SMT for example.
But even tough CT isn't too deep doesn't mean it's shallow.

Lost Odyssey, Vagrant Story and Kingdom Hearts II

>>389137332
You're forgetting Frog who is the most developed character in the game. Lucca with her troubled past with her mother getting paralyzed. Marle with her daddy issues.

>>389137148
I oughta give it a shot.

>>389137412
>But even tough CT isn't too deep doesn't mean it's shallow.
Anon, you might want to reword that.

Dark Souls 2

>no mention of terranigma
wtf

>>389137130
You're right on the nature of the tropes but my point was that Xenoblade isn't that much different in terms of being anime. They are both very anime.

>>389137162
What makes Xenoblade's artstyle much more generic? The big eyes?

>>389136991
>You're conflating difficulty and complexity with quality


those three things are tied together most of the time when it comes to video games

>but the gameplay in CT is pretty polished all things considered, even if it is simple.

You mindlessly mash A and watch numbers go up. That is not polished, it's just crap.

>>389137031

yes

>First answer wasn't Chrono Trigger or Skies of Arcadia
I'm too old for this place

>>389135257
Retard

>>389137502
Double retard

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Cannot be beat.

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>>389134862
What is with all the wrong answers in this thread?

>>389137485
Those two words imply deviations from a norm though.
Not being one doesn't mean it's the other.

>>389137561
The turn system was great. Summons as well. The rest: not bad, but better stuff out there.

>>389137459
No, I remember their plotlines quite well, since the game pretty much slaps you in the face with them. Robo's scene in the forest is what I'd consider the pinnacle of that subtle and elegant characterization you were mentioning, the others are handled much more bluntly in my opinion.

>>389137561
As much as its hated I agree, combat was solid and storytelling was fantastic. Every character developed throughout the story and the entire thing being told in past tense up until zanarkand was a nice touch.

>>389137519
It's an action RPG, and most americans haven't played it. That might be why.

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>>389137325
I would say play Terranigma after CT
It's an action RPG but it's awesome
Whoever wants to play it should grab the 60hz patch first though

Also don't mind me just posting an epic track from the game
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g8KMZQEoi28

>>389135938
Barrets is in the tower from the beginning of the game in the second floor. Also, 60 should be fine but if there is no ng+ If you want to be the ultimate weapons, you have to beat it before sephy. Also chocobo farming for the strongest ultimate.

>>389135495
>tfw one of my closest friends still talks about how he hates this game and hates all final fantasy games because of it
>he says he hates it because it's so popular
>try to explain to him that most of the hype for the game died a decade ago, that more people hate the game than like it, and that other final fantasy games like VI, IX and X are all more popular and beloved these days
>he ignores it and blames FFVII for being the most overrated game of all time
i honestly think final fantasy 7 is underrated at this point because everyone shits on it for the graphics and the "cliche" story (when they usually don't even know about the big disc 2 twist)

>>389134862
What is Dark Souls?

>>389137524
>They are both very anime.

True, but Xenoblade is destinctly animu, the way that term is used to poke fun of modern day drama heavy anime with ridiculous outfits.

>>389137664
I always enjoyed how it feels like you're just traveling the countryside with a bunch of pals.

>>389137534
>You mindlessly mash A and watch numbers go up. That is not polished, it's just crap.
Oh boy, I love highly reductivist statements that can easily be applied to the genre at large.

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>>389134862
Either SaGa games or Metal Max 2, Growlanser 3-4 are up there too
It really depends on what you want from a game either way, I prefer non linear games with complex mechanics and actual roleplay, other people prefer stuff like SRPGs, other prefer ARPGs and so on.

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>>389137664
It had everything and freakin opened our eyes to a whole new world of gaming experience.

>>389137649
>better stuff out there

No.

>>389137662
I didn't just say they were subtle, I said they were also not overdramatic like Xenoblade.

>>389137463
Yes do it, you won't regret it. You can just emulate the PSP version, if you have no PSP or Vita.

Some peoples would tell you to use a guide to get the best ending but I think the normal ending is 100% worth checking out anyway, so you really should just go in blind the first time.
Always play on Hard though.

>>389134862
Suikoden 2?
Trails of Azure?
Dark Chronicle?

>>389137546
your a triple retard

>>389137519
I just did >>389137703

>>389137767
>modern day drama heavy anime with ridiculous outfits
Those don't exist anymore.

>>389137842
>your
Anon, don't make it so easy.

>>389137773
but that accurately describes CT since it's so simple and easy

xenoblade chronicle x is the only answer if you aren't a nostalgia fag

>>389137703
Terranigma is a nice break in style but continuation of excellence. That could work.

Wonder if that anon is still reading though.

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Another fucking gem. I'd put this one 2nd to FFX

Grandia 1
Strange journey

>>389137868
I guess everything is a mellow school drama now, yeah.

>>389136858
I'm glad you're capable of forming your own opinion, and not piggy-backing off of some Literally-Who eceleb.

>>389137615
I love that game anon but I don't know if I could call it the best JRPG ever made
it's a great game but it's too straightforward and simple to call it the greatest when there are so many games that are much deeper
still love that music and those manga-esque cutscenes though

>>389137524
>What makes Xenoblade's artstyle much more generic? The big eyes?
Dragon Ball has huge eyes and so do most anime so no

What makes it generic is that it doesn't really stand out and is pretty damn forgettable(the character designs at least), the character models don't help matters either.
I'd have to say the setting is pretty boring too even though they try to make it "EPIC"...it feels like an excuse to make a gigantic empty open world so they don't have to do towns with locales and tons of details put into them. It almost feels like an MMO.

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>>389134862

>>389137880
Lurk more.

>>389138013
I've been here since 06, but I don't remember anything like that post.

Reminder that the Original Breath of Fire has the best JRPG soundtrack ever composed
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OvAaRnNpyRc

>>389137767
I think we have different definitions of what make something anime then. I was thinking of this from an informed person's perspective.

For me these things have to be compared in context, since CT and Toriyama's art are in line with popular late 80s/early 90s anime styles and trends, just a lot sharper and sillier looking. This can be applied to Xenoblade too, because for anyone that's actually familiar with what modern anime is like, the designs are indeed associated with modern anime, but are actually heavily stylised, for better or worse. For anyone that's actually watched anime, Xenoblade is very different.

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>>389137982
>FF7Faggot being this assblasted

>>389137561
Most of the FF series alone is better imo.

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Best trpg

>>389136645
>100% ambush
>great combat

>>389138285
2, 4 and 5 are all vastly better.

>>389137990
Depth is nice but sometimes simple games are best. This is one of those times.

>>389138214
Oh no, you misunderstood. I guess that's what happens when you're a mindless sheep. He made some very good points. But I'm glad you're capable of forming your own opinion, and not piggy-backing off of some Literally-Who eceleb.

>>389138115
The who 'your' deliberately replacing 'you're' has been a thing for over three years.
Point seems to be baiting people into revealing themselves as grammar nazis or something.

>>389138341
Haven't played them. So I wouldn't know. Care to tell me why though?

>>389138209
>since CT and Toriyama's art are in line with popular late 80s/early 90s anime styles and trends
Not at all. It's clearly you have no idea what you're talking about.
When Dragon Ball came out in 1984 its art-style was very different to other shit at the time

There's a reason why Dragon Ball was so popular and that was because its art-style stood out compared to the rest

>>389138214
Dumb Frogposter

>>389135323
approved

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>>389138369
>FF7Faggot calling anyone a mindless sheep

>>389138376
>Grammar nazis
This entire site is a bunch of grammar nazis, if you can't use proper grammar than get out.

>>389138376
Oh, I usually see it in the manner of
>you're waifu
and the like, not that way.

>>389138459
I see. Listening to ecelebs dulls your reading abilities. That's a shame. But you don't do that, because you're capable of forming your own opinion, and not piggy-backing off some Literally-Who eceleb. Good for you.

>>389138341
>5

I tried it once, the enemy units are all bullet and rocket sponges.
What gives?

>>389138570
>muh e-celeb meme

>>389138209
I don't disagree with you. But the term "animu" as compared to the term "anime" fits much better the mold that Xenoblade strives to fill out.

The term deliberately deals in the cheese, melodrama, and wish fulfillment rich narratives of post-2000 anime.

>>389138601
Idk he hasn't replied to me back yet

>>389138540
Triggering them on purpose is funny though, as with everything you can trigger /v/ on.

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Suikoden 2

>>389138616
Newfags everybody

>>389135758
MUH NIGGA

>>389138616
/v/ has been hating on YouTube personalities since they first appeared ten years ago.

Tumblr, Twitter, and Twitch joining in didn't suddenly change the disposition around here.

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>>389138759
It is, why do you think I said "than"? Nobody mentioned it guess my bait was too obvious.

>>389134862
Valkyrie Profile

>>389138383
Better cast, much better mechanics, better story and better connection to the FM lore, the cast and writing for 2 and 5 is fantastic especially.

The problem with 3 is that it severely dumbed down gameplay coming from 2, it's even easier and more broken than 1 due to stupid design decisions like ROFUP1, level one skills being somehow a lot more powerful than level four, pilot ejecting being broken, less enemy density, less key mechanics like the Honor system and a lot other gameplay problems compared to other games, which aren't exactly flawless mind you, but are much more expanded and polished than 3.
Moreover, the characters in 3 are basically caricatures, with some exceptions like Liu, the story is also basically a bad retread of 1 with no real importance or connections in the general lore, especially coming from 2 which had a fantastic story and goes as far as connecting to the events of 4 and 5.
>>389138601
Never had that problem, sounds like you stopped playing at a few stages from the start or simply haven't learned how to play, if you're not assraping shit with your wanzers past the first 10 stages you're doing something wrong with either building your wanzers or managing your pilots.

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>>389138601
Almost every Front Mission has a system where you can focus fire from your whole team. Once you know what you're doing you can have your whole team blast the shit out of a dude and kill him really quickly.

>>389138616
>actually liking e-celebs
Since you like listening to people on the internet, here's a hot suggestion. Kill yourself.

>>389138926
Baiting is hard work.

>>389138942
Damn dude, I'll have to try them than.

>>389136858
>major criticism of ff7 is that you have to grind
???
ff7 is one of the jrpgs that's easy enough to get through without having to grind
also if you get 2 and a half minutes into a video without a single point being made, it's a pretty bad video

>>389136009
>expecting depth in a JRPG

What is the best JRPG soundtrack of all time?

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>>389139001
>FF7faggot this buttblasted
Ever thought for a moment that I actually played the game, thinks it's shit and that I'm posting that video to rile up your fanboy ass?

>>389134862
>this is the best jpeg ever made
>is actually a gif
What are you playing at, OP?

>>389139161
Already post here my friend >>389138130

>>389139103
Just grind mideel or gelnika

>>389139161
Xenoblade Chronicles probably has the best in revenue memory.

>>389134862
Is it me or did the site who did these jeopardy style questions died?

If so, is there an alternative site to make these?

>>389134862
Dragon's Dogma

>>389139251
>revenue
How the fuck did I get that in there?
Recent*

>>389136010
It's really fantastic but /v/ is too casual for a game like this.

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>>389134862
Here's your answer anon.

>>389139058
I really recommend you to play 2 because for me it has the best characters and story out of all FM games by far and connects to the first game in a really unexpected and great way.
It's a fairly dramatic game compared to the more lighthearted atmosphere of 3 though, so don't expect all those comic relief characters or moments outside of Thomas' squad being generally bros with everyone.
Try to snatch the premium edition ISO if you can find one because the normal edition of the game doesn't let you skip battle animations, which are crazy long and make every stage take four times the time to complete.

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>>389139161
>25 years and still the objective pinnacle of jrpg music
>set the bar so high that nothing's even come remotely close to topping it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93x5r_-4_uM

>>389139186
Then maybe you should have posted your actual opinion, and not xXXHEAVYMETALFAN666XXx's?

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>>389139314
/v/'s at large composed by casuals and normalfags, SaGa games are way too much for the average /v/irgin to handle, especially considering how TLR was considered this kind of super hardcore game when it's one of the easier and more flawed entries in the series.

>>389139408
Breath of Fire topped it the following year
Based BunBun
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYRb88j_I4s

>>389139408
>nothing's even come remotely close
https://youtube.com/watch?v=14U64jWO85s

>>389139379
I'll try once I get internet back cause Harvey lol

>>389139408
>>389139574
No wait, BoFI actually came out around 9 months or before Ys 4.

>>389137906
I hope you're being as ironic as the guy you're replying to.

>>389139418
But that's not nearly as funny

>>389139548
I didn't play the original which I heard was harder. But the pc one seems pretty fair. I love SaGa games.

Breath of Fire 3

>>389139963
>I didn't play the original which I heard was harder
the 360 version simply had less laxed BR growth, which actually made the game more fair and punishing in case you went full retard, PC version is the definitive one for sure, but the BR growth rebalance is way more forgiving so you can really do whatever you want unless you're terminally stupid, imagine it as if ER in Minstrel Song took double the time to grow instead of forcing you to get smart, plan your travels and learn looting, forging and all the other mechanics tied to the game.

>>389140179
Fair enough. I love SaGa and I like that it doesn't handhold, but I don't think the average person is willing to play a game that doesn't explain itself well.

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>>389134862
>all these people who don't understand how jeopardy works

What are some best JRPGs I have access to if I have a PC PS4 and 3DS? I already have Persona 5, SMT IV, Xenoblade Chronicles on 3DS (and PC through emulation)

>>389140330
What is strange journey

>>389140289
>but I don't think the average person is willing to play a game that doesn't explain itself well.
No game does unless you buy a bible guide for it.
The only difference with SaGa games is that they're a lot more complex than average, but if you look at simpler games like FF, Shadow Hearts or whatever else, they also don't explain 90% of the actual game mechanics, you can play them more easily because their entry barriers are next to non existent compared to SaGa games, which will punish you a lot if you don't learn how to play them at least decently.
You don't even need to learn all the various systems in SaGa games anyway, TLR can be broken in little pieces without bothering with half of the game's mechanics or content.

>>389140541
That's fair. I think JRPGs attract a lot of compulsive people though, and if people feel like they can't get everything and do everything they get mad as fuck. FF9 is pretty easy and you don't need all the best shit to win, but people still get mad as fuck at the Excalibur 2 thing and that good gear is locked behind chocobo hot and cold.

>>389140343
Just emulate super nintendo jrpg's
Those are the best ones anyways

>>389140638
>I think JRPGs attract a lot of compulsive people though, and if people feel like they can't get everything and do everything they get mad as fuck.
You're absolutely right on that.

>>389139267
bump

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let me win this thread nostalgia fags

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>crtl-f "Etrian"
>no results
Really niggas?

>>389137337
solid list but get final fantasy ix the fuck out of there nigga

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>>389141249
Keep trying.
>>389141521
>>389139612

>>389134862
what is mario and luigi dream team?

>>389141772
It's shit.

How cn you even suffer throught that garbage after SMRPG, SMRPG64 and TTYD?

>>389141992
>SMRPG64
Why not just PM?

>>389141772
Embarrassing. Superstar Saga you might have an argument, but even then it is trumped by SMRPG and Paper Mario series.

>>389138920
Ofc. 4chan is anons, not named individuals. We should value what is said rather than who says what

>>389134908
spbp

>>389139330
Action tough.
But great none the less.

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>>389134862
What is SaGa Frontier?
>>389135180
Also correct

>>389137561
>>389137801

>having this much shit taste

pukakakakakakaka

its like youve never played another videogame than ffx

>>389137930

hello re eddit :^)

>>389134862
Beyond the Beyond

>>389142601
I really like frontier, I wish it had been finished. You migth enjoy the other games in the series.

>>389138009
This game is mediocre. It's literally every jrpg ever except slower.

>>389135180
>6 or so more hours of playtime
Wow, you are either the slowest JRPG player in the world or legitimately retarded

>>389135035

Ironic posting aside, Suikoden II.

>>389137561
FFX is shit

>>389141632
Not that anon, but why?

Charles Barkley Shut Up and Jam: Gaiden. Chapter 1 of the Hoopz Barkley SaGa

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>>389134862

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>>389142889
Maybe, but I just got done with FFL2 and need a breather. I wish Kawazu delivered vita RS2 and 3 already, the available versions look dubious.

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>>389142601
I love Frontier but it's far too broken, even the other transition games like Romancing SaGa or Unlimited weren't that broken, I blame Sakaguchi who cut the budget and production time.
Incredicle setting and characters though, and the mechanics are still very solid and satisfying despite being pretty unbalanced, definitely one of the best RPGs I've played.

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fact

>>389143038
to me, for all of it's faults and there were fucking many, X was always better.

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>>389143570
>Tomba 2
>JRPG
Nigga, that's one of my favorite platformers of all time, but really?

>>389143739
I disagree. 9 is one of the best in the series and 10 is middling.

>>389134862
What is Suikoden 2?

>>389144104
Yeah, exactly. What is Suikoden 2? A pile of shit, that's what

>>389143860
Jbaited

>>389144260
Suikoden 2's only fault was the bad combat system, which is still better than a lot of the stuff around at that time mind you.
Calling it shit is uncalled for, it's not really a great RPG in anything it does, but it's still good, better than FF or most stuff on the PS that isn't more hardcore.

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>>389143570
Yea i agree one of the best games ever,fav jrpg is DW3 2003

>>389138954
What ever happened to that funded kickstarter sequel?

>>389144419
OS this a YouTube meme?

>>389135765
And that has any relevance why?

No one ever explains it.

>>389134862
triggered chrono is the best, they trimmed 100% of the fat out of the game which is extremely rare in jrpgs which usually waste so much of your time

>>389145106
>they trimmed 100% of the fat out of the gam
Except the shitty character arcs, backtracking, fetch quests and so on.

>>389134862
Trails in the Sky FC and SC.
As a single game i wouldn't say they're the absolute best, but as a series they're undeniably the best JRPG series ever.

It has a good story with very well done twists, good turn based combat with depth, good music, and actually good sidequests.
They're basically the pinnacle of JRPGs.

If you haven't played it yet, i recommend doing so.
However, i wouldn't recommend it if you're impatient or hate reading.

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>>389145902
>good turn based combat with depth

Delay spam isn't depth

>>389146175
Of course it isn't, ways to cheese the system isn't depth.
Depth is the actual mechanics themselves, which they undoubtedly have.

>>389146175
Also i can clearly see you only played CS because delay wasn't that much of a meme in the previous games.

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>>389145902
Trails in the Sky FC and SC are 7/10 and 8/10 respectively.
The only Trails game that's an actual contender for the best JRPG of all time is Trails of Azure desu

>>389136885
>i have nevr played any persona game
There, translated for you
literally didnt even mention some of the most core mechanics

>>389147546
That depends on what you base your rating on.
If you want to argue then you should actually say something instead of using a vague rating system.

>>389145902
>Kisekifags
The story of all LoH games, and that includes all the series and games like LoH I-II, Shiroki Majou and so on, is basically an animu telenovela with telegraphed plot twists and the worst kind of cliches in the genres repeated ad nauseam.
The only game in the series as a whole that actually had decent, passable combat is Zero no Kiseki, and even so it's extremely derivative, even the music didn't keep up with the earlier games in the series, nothing in the modern games has ever topped tracks like Stopper.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzl1pjQm0zc
And they're all linear as fuck just like FF, they're far from being the best JRPGs in any sense of the word.

>>389136858
Is this the definition of sperging?
It's like v incarnate
Edgy, screeching ranting and instead of calling things overrated or not that good, it's gotta be complete trash

Here comes the kisekifags

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It's in my top 5.

"Best" for me would probably be Chrono Trigger of FF12.

>>389148357
or FF12*

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>>389148357
Pretty fun, classic Tri-Ace game, I really enjoyed it too.
And REANBELL IS CUTE!
CUTE!

>>389147872
Most of what you're saying isn't even an argument.

>basically an animu telenovela
And?
>telegraphed plot twists
Such as?
>worst kind of cliches
Subjective. People can like different cliches and dislike others you know.
>decent, passable combat
This mostly depends on taste, but based on mechanics they're undoubtedly better than shit like DQ, and if they're acceptable in most people's eyes, then that would mean Sky had more than passable combat.
>derivative
People take inspiration from something, wow, amazing.
>linear
This is purely subjective. People can like one and dislike the other.

>>389148357
Why? The game is a glorified dress up simulator.

>>389148357
Literally the worst game I've ever played.

>>389148591
>This is purely subjective
Not him, buy why? The game is supposed to be a rpg, not a platformer or a side scroller

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>>389139408
This some good stuff anon. Thanks for posting this

>>389134862
Ao no Kiseki.

>>389148591
Also not him but trails basically being a mediocre 90s anime that I've already seen before doesn't really help elevate it to GOAT tier

>>389134862
dark souls 1 followed by nier automata

what, did i say something wrong?

>>389148638
What? Just because you could put different clothes on your characters it's a "dress up simulator"? I didn't even bother with that when I first played through the game.

>>389148834
You were probably extremely bad at it if you think the combat/story in this game is "the worst you've ever played". It's a hard game so I understand if it turned you off with its difficulty.

>>389139408
>my taste > your taste
Well if you say so

>>389148496
Reanbell always looked strange to me imo. Her face did not belong in this game lol

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>>389139267
>>389141001
It died. There is no other source. The only person still making them is that one girl who does team video games Jeopardy games every few weeks, and as far as I can tell she just makes them from scratch.

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Yo, /v/ could you advice me on what recent JRPG I could play on PC ? I'm having fun with Berseria right now even if I doesn't know when the game is going to start

>>389145902
>implying
I mean, trails is great and all but only The 3rd and Ao are remotely good enough to up their with the best JRPGs desu

>>389149361
>The 3rd

>>389148591
Your whole post isn't an argument either.
>And?
Being a shitty anime telenovela already invalidates any point about good writing or characters you might have.
>Such as?
Such as everything, Olivier or Chloe totoally not having a secret identity, anything regarding Uroboros and whatever else, ditto for all the other games in the series, the series loses any pretense of subtlety in the writing especially starting from TiTS.
>Subjective.
It's really not subjective, the entire cast is walking cliches of the worst kind made it even worse by the most terrible stereotypical situations, made even worse by the terrible, bloated writing.
>but based on mechanics they're undoubtedly better than shit like DQ
And lower that a ton of other shit like Growlanser, Metal Max, SaGa and so on, comparing your game to the lowest common denominator doesn't help you.
>People take inspiration from something
When people take the same exact inspiration that other people do in twenty other games that also happen to do such things better than yours, I can't bother, I'm sorry.
>This is purely subjective
I play RPGs because I can have a certain degree of freedom in what I can do and/or agency, otherwise I'd go play Uncharted or Metal Gear. Kiseki has even less freedom, choice and exploration than games like Dragon Quest, which is extremely embarassing.

All in all, Kiseki is and has always been basically a low budget FF.
>>389149310
If you don't want to emulate, get The Last Remnant.

>>389149135
Because that the only good part about the game.
Overworld? Shit
Combat? Beyond shit. You only spam hero actions or whatever they are called over and over and over again. Don't even have to be worried about dying because of the health buffer thingy. Also, the combat never evolves, ever.
Gameplay? So you farm these crystal things to make the overworld less shitty while you spend 4 hours at a time clearing the coliseum before proceeding to the next chapter.
Weapon customization? Retarded. You can spend all the money you want and your weapon will still be 'decent'
Story? What story?

>>389149135
>It's a hard game
Oh, I missed this. How the fuck is the game hard? Does spamming hero moves breaks the game or something?
Combat was repeating the same boring ass strategy over and over again.

>>389149430
Not the anon you're responding to, and while I agree with what you're saying, comparing Kiseki to modern day Final Fantasy is an insult

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>>389134862
what's a good JRPG that an adult can enjoy?

>>389149738
Pokemon

>>389148835
Japan's definition of an RPG is different than the Western one.
You must be new to these games if you didn't know that.

>>389149064
>mediocre 90s anime
What even is a mediocre 90s anime?

>>389149659
This, since kiseki loves to pretend to be old-school you can only compare it with 90s and early 00s FF.

>>389134862
Probably a tie between SaGa games and Kiseki games for me.

Honourable mention to Arc the Lad II.

SaGabros, what's a fun party composition for SaGa 2 DS?

>>389149738
Lufia II
Valkyrie Profile
Wild arms 3

you know. The usual suspects. With that said, if you're the type who's into extreme overuse of anime trope then every jrpg in the second half of the ps2's lifespan will be right up your ally

>>389149297
Thank you anon.

>>389149532
>overworld
Just a map you move around to get from point A to point B, with random encounters along the way. Plenty of JRPGs have done this, but RoF put an interesting spin on it by letting you give yourself buffs/exp bonuses via hexes.

>combat
You get fucked midgame if you get overzealous with your tri-attacks and end up placing your characters in bad positions.

That's you're onion though and you're inclined to it.

>>389149643
Enemy placement becomes more difficult as the game progresses. They naturally become harder unless you make the game ezmode by mindless grinding (excessive grinding is for lames).

>combat was repeating the same strategy over and over
nah. I can tell you were bad or never played the game if you think repeating hero actions over and over was enough to get you to the game's end.

Quit sperging.

>>389149823
I played hundred of jrpgs that aren't linear. Only mediocre Jrpgs are linear.

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>>389149823
>What even is a mediocre 90s anime?

>>389149659
It was just a figure of speech to refer to linear , story driven JRPGs for a younger audience, you can swap FF with whatever game fits that criteria in that sense, be it Tales of or whatever else.
>>389149738
Depends, what does that adult part entail?
No kids and melodrama, or?

>>389149945
>onion

lol autocorrect. Opinion*

>>389149972
I don't remember the art style being this bad.

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>>389149874
ALL MECHS NIGGUH
NUKE ALL DAY ERRYDAY

Final Fantasy VII.

>>389149972
You shut the fuck up
The harem genre is played out and boring now, but Tenchi was a pioneer, and even by today's standards had a lot of interesting story elements. Ryoko/Washu/loli Ryo-oh a best

>>389149973
Ah I see, thanks for the clarification anon. What are your favorite JRPGs? I need something to play and everywhere I go I keep getting trails shoved down my throat.

>>389134862
The Kiseki games, anything else is a waste of time

Persona 2; eternal punishment

>>389150061
How 2 heal mec party with 0 mana?

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>>389149738
Touhou Genius of Sappheiros

>>389134862
The lack of Xenogears which would contend for best game ever made and not just rpg really disturb me...

>>389149945
I got to chapter 7. That's what? 30? 40? hours of game time if you bother doing the boring ass coliseum.
Never did I bother doing anything else but spamming hero actions nor did I have trouble with the game's difficulty.

The game being nothing but cutscenes and battles made it even more boring than it already was. Farming hexes was boring as fuck and couldn't be ignored if you wanted to, you know, '''explore''' things.

Maybe the last boss/chapter was hard, but that's nothing to be proud of. Even Mimana Iyar Chronicles had a though last area and that game is probably the worst jrpg I've ever played

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>>389150231
Bakuretsu Hunters was a better 90s harem

>>389149430
>shitty anime telenovela
How is it a shitty anime telenovela?
>Such as everything
Damn. You must be a fucking genius.
DId you figure out the twist of Zero and Ao too?
>It's really not subjective
It is. I think you missed my point.
I'm saying that you saying that they're the cliches of the worst kind is stupid, because other people can like what you don't like.
>lower than a ton of shit
>names 3
Growlanser isn't even that deep. In fact, i'd say they're pretty much the same.
As for Metal Max, i haven't played it, but based on what i see from Wikipedia it's basically the same as DQ, there's no movement and you just sit and wait for your turn, which is a negative. The customization is apparently pretty good so i'd say they're also pretty much the same.
As for SaGa, i dropped it as soon as i started, so i won't comment on it.
>also happen to do such things better than yours
What things?
>I play RPGs
This isn't even remotely close to an argument.
You're just describing your taste.
The definition of an RPG itself is quite subjective, which is why i chose the common definition of a JRPG to explain stuff.

>>389150253
At least play up to ao no Kiseki, it's the best the series has to offer

>>389150231
>harem anime/game
>every girl lusts for the MC but he can only have one canon romance
That shit pisses me off to no end. Azure dreams it's the only game that did harem bullshit right.

>>389149972
>mediocre
>has an anime, novel, manga, spin offs
What exactly is mediocre about this?

>>389134862
Princess Sacrifice.

>>389150253
>What are your favorite JRPGs?
Well, I like the more "western" ones in general, so Metal Max, SaGa, older ones like Growlanser, Langrisser and so on, but I also like most stuff from Tri-Ace and more niche publishers like Artdink, early Falcom games are also pretty fun.
>>389150298
You don't, you steamroll everything before they can kill you, then regret your decision before Odin.
I was joking anyway, you can try to ditch humanoids though, two monsters+two mechs or something like that, it's a nice challenge run if you can bear developing monsters
>>389150538
>but based on what i see from Wikipedia it's basically the same as DQ
Metal Max has nothing to do with and plays nothing like DQ.

>>389149946
>hundred
Name them.

>>389150573
I finished Trails in the Sky FC and SC, and to be honest while I didn't hate the games I really don't understand the hype. These games read like they were made for kids in their early teens but have an absurdly high text count. It really doesn't feel like I'm the target audience for this series. I'm hesitant about going through potentially 3 other 50~70 hour games just to ''understand'' it.

>>389151091
What the actual fuck, Kiseki has some of the if not the best writing in jrpg, could you explain why you think it's written for kids? I know it might seem stupid to play 4 games before finding a series to be good but that's what I did and ao was totally worth it.

>>389151040
Give the Growlanser series a shot and learn to use google for the rest
Not gonna spoon feed ya, bub.

>>389151091
Kiseki fanboys like to hype up Kiseki games like 10/10s all across the boards but it's literally just a series of high 7s and solid 8s with one 10/10 game.
Ao's the only game in the series that deserves the amount of praise fanboys give the series.
Everything's so predictable and cliche in the Sky games and Cold Steel games but Ao had me on edge and threw actually good twists that I couldn't see coming, but unfortunately it's literally locked behind Zero which is the most uneventful and boring game in the entire series.

>>389151262
>What the actual fuck, Kiseki has some of the if not the best writing in jrpg
Why?

>>389151492
If you actually played them you would understand

>>389151560
I did play them, I do not understand what is so good about the writing.

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>>389151414
>a series of high 7s and solid 8s with one 10/10 game.
>not worth the hype
What the fuck is wrong with this board?

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>>389134862

>>389151595
t. fag who skipped dialogue

>>389151605
It isn't worth the hype, people praise the series like it's the greatest thing in the world when it's literally just a top-tier JRPG series with one truly GOAT game.

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>>389134862
chrono trigger

paper mario ttyd

>>389151676
The dialogue is empty tripe with little actual content though, the characterization is also atrocious.
Again, what is so good about the writing?

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>>389151779
It's a waste of my time explaining it to someone who's too stupid to understand it anyway.

>>389151990
Or maybe you have no actual argument to begin with.

>>389151713
>a top-tier JRPG series
>isn't worth the hype
What the fuck are you saying, anon?

>>389151990
You're wrong. You won't explain because you can't explain.

>>389152071
>>389152098
Name some jrpgs with good writing

>>389151713
>just a top-tier JRPG
It's really mid tier at best.

>>389135648
Try Xenoblade Chronicles or Radiant Historia.

>>389152212
No, that would turn into a ''lol you think THAT has good writing anon? your tastes are shit, and because they are shit they prove my point''
I would rather you actually explain as the other anons asked. Or can you not?

>>389151007
>there's no movement and you just sit and wait for your turn, which is a negative
That and the random encounters.

I'm not saying that they're literally the same, just kind of similar.

>>389134862
Xenogears

/thread

>>389152415
This whole reply chain is fucking retarded.
If you want to argue about "good writing" you'd first have to define what is good writing in the first place.

>>389152212
Bounty Hunter
Metal Max 2
Romancing SaGa 2/SaGa Frontier 2/Scarlet Grace
Frontier Gate
Growlanser IV
Zill O'll Infinite+
BoF IV

Now tell me what's good about Kiseki's writing.

>>389152626
Wouldn't it be best to use Kiseki itself as an example of good writing? Maybe point out the things that the other anons missed?

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>>389151779
Not him but the praise for its writing comes less from the main story itself but the level of detail put into side-quest dialogue, NPC dialogue, and the amount of care put into the world-building.

The main stories themselves come off as really good, but cliched and nothing spectacular 90s anime stories, but the writing itself excels in building up and creating one of the most realized, fleshed out and intricate settings in a video game. All of the optional world-building intertwines with the main story in such a way that the main story feels less cliched than it actually is because you have a layer of extremely thick, well-written context surrounding everything. Not to mention every irrelevant NPC in the game has in depth relationships with other town members from friendships to families and jobs that are fully realized and play out after every minor story trigger over the course of seven (soon to be eight) games, that you can devote entire paragraphs about Literally Who: The Sword Merchant and then branch off and write entire paragraphs Literally Who: His Mother or Literally Who: His Neighor, while most JRPG NPCs in other games are just a name and a one-liner.
The fact that NPCs' lives advance throughout the story gradually without you even having to intervene or solve their problems 90% of the time really makes it feel like the world doesn't revolve around the protagonists, and that they're literally just other people in the same world. You learn important information about the cities, countries, provinces, and areas from optional NPC dialogue that aren't even touched up on the main story. There's important plot points in Cold Steel that seemingly come out of no where, but were actually brought up casually a few times in FC literally from talking to NPCs.

Trails writing excels from creating a believable world through side-quests and NPC dialogue. The low parts of the writing is where the story picks up.