Vampyr

I'm unironically hyped for this game. Probably because I'm starved for any vampire experience at this point

>>389131516
You're not gonna get /v/ to like Vampyr by insulting Bloodlines.

>>389131516
I saw a bit of footage and it looked really uninspired to me. Not sure what the appeal is supposed to be besides "muh Life is Strange devs".

>life is sjw devs
Hahaha, nope.

>>389131574
this

>better
>devs known for appealing to waifufags

Haha, good one.

This wont be better than VTMB

Did I miss something with this game?

I have only seen one bit of gameplay and I swear it was just nothing.
Please if there is some interesting stuff I missed then tell me, cause I would love another good vampire game.

>>389131745
its not like VTMB wasnt proto sjw

Is this another Dark?

how come tv shows are so saturated with vampire shit but video games aren't?

>>389131516
>It's in fucking Bongland.
Pass.

>>389132307
Because all a tv vampire show needs to do is be sexy and maybe bite a person or 2 a season.
Vidya games need more then that.

This is going to play like Bloodborne with teleporting, right? I hope anyway.

Also, >>389131574

Maybe. I'll wait for launch and some infos about the ramifications of the rpg system before making a choice.
Or I'll pirate it first.

>>389131516
you gonna kys, shill?

>>389131516
>You gonna buy the emokid version of Watchdogs?
Fixed that.

>>389131516
How is this even comparable to bloodlines? Is this the best shilling tactic to use now, insulting tangentially related but much loved games?

>>389131516
I'll pirate it

>>389132257
All of white wolf is fairly sjw because back then hard lefties were the outliers of a right thinking society.
That's not a bad thing, it's just that the left has changed.

I would consider buying it if the mc had long black hair and a starved looking pale face instead of looking like a faggot hipster with the newest meme haircut.

>>389132710
Probably the best description itt

>>389133182
This.

Just what fuck era is this even supposed to be in? The main character looks so anachronistic that it makes me think that the game is just going to be a hipster's view of how London was in the 1800/1900s, if that's even the timeframe.

>>389133182
But they want the nu-male audience.
So no hot girls, chads and only memes.

>tfw there will never ever be another game like VtM:B

>>389131516
This game looks nothing like VTMB.

Which means it looks like shit.

>>389134374
You are aware right that a sequel in the works?

>>389134464
VTMB was a fluke. A convergence of incredible dialogue, story, atmosphere, music, and characters.

>>389131516
literally undead life is strange: male chloes edition

>>389134584
This. It's the Ghostbusters of video games

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>>389131516
>better version

Speaking of VTMB, is the user patch the best way to play the game?

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>>389132307
All vampires really offer over ScrubMcScrub, is that they are stronger, so they can move/jump/climb better.
And Moving/Jumping/Climbing is not the core focus of a lot of games, nor is cool blood sucking.
Like seriously, games today do not want to do completely wild movement, where the vampire hits a wall and suddenly just scales a skyscraper in seconds.

Dear fucking God, i wish Bloodrayne had gotten more games. I really miss the weird TPS + Platforming hybrid it is, with all the cool gimmicks on top of that.

>>389134584
Bloodlines was good. But the other game, Redemption, was also good.
So something in the core material is good enough, to make the adaption good.

>>389134091

It's during the 1918 Spanish Flu epidemic right after the Great War.

>>389135197
Yeah that haircut is totally believable then.

>>389134984
Yes. It's already included in Gog version, btw.

>>389132434
I miss fucking PG13 Blade. It was way cooler

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>>389135251
The haircut is not as unbelievable as you may think. Still the whole characters appearence looks like a modern hipster reimagination of the early 20th century. He definitely will look out of place compared to other characters or npcs.

>>389131516

Get the fuck out, OP.

>>389132134
they say it's RPG
but I don't know, from videos it looks like that detective ghost game I forgot the name of

>>389132307
they all terrible though, do you want this many bad vampire games?

I wish we got a decent 3rd person vampire game with your character getting as strong as mercer in prototype 1
but then what are you fighting if you're basically a god

>>389131516
>buy
probably
>better
No way fag

>>389131516
But I can't be a crazy schoolgirl vampire in it. How's it better?

>>389135826

But that voice thou.

>>389136082
did you miss BloodRayne by any chance?

>>389136174
I played it a little bit, she was OP from the start with that time slow power shit
Or was it supposed to be her just moving fast af, i dont recall
fighting nazi was cool but I guess I need to play more if I want to see bosses
to be frank my PC at that time was really shitty so it wasnt that fun

>>389134584
>>389134739
>VTMB was a fluke
>made by Troika
>same guys who brought Arkanum and ToE

>>389136331
Well it's pretty much what you described, you go slaying the hell out of everyone.

>>389135894
Soul Suspect.
Damn, that was really underrated I think. No one gave two shits about it, but it was maximum comfy.

this game is nothing like vtmb

>no character creation
>male lead only
Nope

>>389136530
it would've seen more love if it had more gameplay to it and less forced stealth section hiding from evil ghosts or whatever
it would've worked better if it was more like Sherlock Holmes games
but yeah, location, setting, the whole idea were great

>>389136553
you never know, it still might end up as unfinished buggy mess with great dialogue

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>>389136553
yeah, its not comparable at all, i dunno waht OP is smoking
lets see what these Life is Strange frenchy froggy frenchies do with a london 1918 vampire game

I mean, it's an rpg and its about a vampire. It'd be an insta buy if it wasnt made by the devs of Life is strange

Like what the fuck man, a fucking rpg about vampires and its made by the devs that made me cringe and laugh at their insanely shit writing

Why do we have to suffer so much man

Depends on PC price and performance and how strong you can be if you play as a bloodthirsty demon.

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>>389135051
>LOK
>Guys ok for the sequel
>Guys what if
>Guys what if, listen
>What if you play as a vampire who instead of sucking blood, sucks souls

The spectral realm was also really neat as well.

>>389138107
>>389135051
If any game deserves the remaster threatment is the Legacy of Kain series.
It's just so crazy good in so many levels. It's the only way i can see an approach to this IP without ruining it to the ground. sunday reminder they made a multiplayer arena TPS out of this

>made by the devs of Literally Who

They still have yet to show some proper gameplay that's not just the same shit they first showed at E3.

>>389135051

>Like seriously, games today do not want to do completely wild movement, where the vampire hits a wall and suddenly just scales a skyscraper in seconds.

That bothers me in general when there's a game where a protagonist has some sort of superhuman abilities.

That's why I really want a VtM game where I can play around as a Gangrel or Lasombra to the full extent of their abilities. I mean, turning into mist and getting past locked doors, using shadows to fuck up people or just use it as a means of travel, shit'd be great, but no one is willing to take the plunge and actually work on those things.

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>>389131516
>european VtM:B

The combat does look incredibly bad. How is the roleplay? Do choices actually change anything? Are there different situations specific to races you get into like in VtMB?

>>389139128

>Do choices actually change anything?

Did they change shit in Life is Strange?

Too soon, Twilight still ruined vampires forever.

>>389139150
I don't know, the only adventure games I ever played were point&click ones in the 90s. Did they?

>>389139337
Vampire Chronicles did. Twillight just applied the finishing touches.

>>389139524
Long story short, no. The only choice that mattered in Life Is Strange is the end choice.

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>>389131516
The last game that tried this didnt do too well

>>389132257
every woman in VTMB looked like a whore how was it a SJW game?

All of the promotional material for this game looked absolutely awful so far. As expected of the same people who delivered Life is Strange upon the world, what a fucking mess

>>389138951
Even for scrub clans, you can with just some points into physical skills, just climb walls, and start sticking to roofs.
So its disappointing. It sorta is even in Redemption, but the HACK AND SLASH focus and the timeskip do componsate in fantastic ways.

>>389131516
It looks okay I guess. The dialogue system doesn't seem as good and so far I've only seen them show a bit of combat gameplay. Not sure if it's going to have the same "multiple ways to solve objectives" thing going for it.

I think it being set in the early 1900's is going to make it less immersive though.

>>389132257
VTMB was maybe even a bit right leaning. Almost every women in the game was a whore, the anarchists are shown to be fucking idiots, and sure lacroix was manipulative but what he said was presented fairly well.

>>389141218
No it isn't, it's more moderate left. It had multiple gay characters, but it still criticizes every group. The main criticism of the Anarchs is just that they're weak and disorganized, which is why the Camarilla started taking territory back, but LaCroix was a madman lusting after power who would destroy anything to get it.

Not every woman in the game was a whore either, but again, it's the World of Darkness so there aren't going to be many morally pure people. You're kind of seeing what you want to see.

>>389139653
What sort or horrid 2000s wannabe shit moviegame is that?

>>389141883
It was hyped as the new VtMB but it was just your average low budget action rpg. /v/ hyped it for a while but everyone forgot about it as soon as it came out

>>389132257
>VTMB
>proto sjw

>tna all over the place
>parody of every college communist chick out there
>stereotypical nigga black market gun dealer
>makes fun of limp-dick politicians
>makes fun of Hollywood studio culture
>only people presented in a positive light are people who are apolitical and just want to live their lives

VtMB is based and is unironically the single best piece of WoD fiction ever written, because WhiteWolf have always been faggot SJWs.

>>389142085
This is why I just want VtMB to work properly in VR. Every "next VtMB" is most likely just going to fall flat.

>>389142216
>only people presented in a positive light are people who are apolitical and just want to live their lives
Strauss is part of the Camarilla and presented in a positive light. Nines and Jack are mostly positive too. It criticizes and praises both groups in different ways. Even the Sabbat to some extent, with them being the only ones right about the Antedeluvians returning, but like Beckett says just doing the wrong things for the right reasons.

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>>389138701
It has horrid signs. Such as the meaningless dialogue wheel. How long the monologue conversations are.
And combat looks like the clunkiest shit ever. With passive mostly AFK enemies, that can't push your shit in if you don't pay attention. And a very lazy magic system.
I love how they manage to showcase a entire 20 seconds of horrid combat in a 10 minute gameplay showcase. And also showcased that the game has no real movement system.
What a fucking failure.

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>>389131516
>even the title has chromatic abberation

>>389140921

MY PRECIOUS VITAE!

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>>389132134
>Watch Demo
>Several minutes of boring monotone talking heads with shitty talk bobbing that Jap devs solved in the PS2 era
>Mass Effect conversation wheel instead of real choices to tell people to go fuck themselves
>Shitty combat with shitty generic abilities
>"The vampire combat, in the style you want to play" instead of some real hardcore combat, with good design goals
>Possibility of walking overworld being locked down by upgrades, and without proper metroidvania design to componsate
>Chance of lots of horrid backtracking
>Chances of twosided conflict instead of a real plot
Its basically doomed to be a mediocre game, with no real selling point outside of VAMPIRES. They are too far into late beta stages, to unfuck combat or planned shit plot.

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>>389141218
women being whores wasn't considered right wing view in fucking 2004

>>389131574
Its mostly starvation. Even Bloodborne didn't deliver a lot on it.

>>389138575
>LoK Reboot
>as MOBA

>>389131516
Really tired of the unreal engine.

i just watched the 20 minute gameplay video

this game looks fucking gay and fuck you for shittalking Bloodlines you scum shit fucking bottomfeeding baiter

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This >>389131574


I curious about this game,but I whish we could move around the world like a "Ass Creed" where you can use your vamparic powers to help you(like running fast as fuck,jumping high,teleporting,climbing,etc),but we will just walk around instead.
I also hope to see a good dialog options and actual impact on the districts,and not some superficial changes and dialog.

I heard that we will have three main powers that are "blood,shadow and Fera" literally "Tremer,Lasombra and Gangrel".

>>389145484
This. I'll wait until someone competent makes a World of Darkness themed game, this shit is going to be as bad as that strong independant saxon woman walking simulator.

>>389131516
>watch demo gameplay trailer
>no time for that shit, click ahead to each two minute mark
>only once did I stop and see (shitty) dark-power instakill combat
>otherwise talking or walking simulator
No thanks.

>>389131516
is vampyr like a retarded vampire?

>>389144632
Don't be hard on the kid, he probably wasn't even born then.
Times change, world isnt like it was in the golden 80-s


t. born in 1974

>>389136480
If anything Bloodlines was simply a continuation of the trend - absolute diamonds in the rough with problems through the roof.

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>>389135051
>>389138107
To be fair that's because Blood Omen was really the only Legacy of Kain game where vampire condition was actually integral part of the story. I'd say LoK as a series is not really about vampires. I mean, it has vampires obviously and they're important but it's not ABOUT vampires seeing as series has its own story to tell.

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>>389143375
I think it's just going to be clunky as fuck and obviously you can tell it lacks the production values expected from a modern game. Then again I've played and enjoyed Cyanide as well as Spiders RPGs so what do I care?

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>>389131516
>world of darkness games are coming
>first one with a budget is a werewolf game

what a weird decision. you'd think they'd capitalize on their best known property first.

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I'll take a mediocre vampire game any day, it's such a niche genre.

>>389146117
>lacks the production values expected from a modern game.
It lacks the ambition to try. So its not about expected production values, its simply about not trying at all.

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>>389145662

> I'll wait until someone competent makes a World of Darkness themed game

So never? Unless Troika 2.0 pops up on the scene and doesn't get its development time cut.

Dunno, I expect Life is Vampire: Invisible Walls Edition.

>>389146306
I imagine Cyanide really wants to make a werewolf game.

>>389146306
How will that game even play, I wonder? Will you choose your tribe and live a double life as some redneck in a little town out in the sticks? Or will you always be in wolf form?

>>389146585
All 3 of them are together in Obsidian atm 8troika as in 3, get it, get it?). And Cain is working on a secret project?

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>>389146306
>first one with a budget is a werewolf game
>what a weird decision. you'd think they'd capitalize on their best known property first.
>Implying Werewolf:The Apocalypse isn't one of the most well know game of WoD
Was about time,W:tA deserves a good game.Lets just hope they don't fuck it up.

>>389146117

Cyanide actually does get better. Incrementally small perhaps, but still, they try and it shows.

>>389135051
>Like seriously, games today do not want to do completely wild movement, where the vampire hits a wall and suddenly just scales a skyscraper in seconds.
Fug, now all I want is a vampire game with Prototype's movement system.

>>389146729

inb4 pachinko game

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>>389147079
Cyanide just lacks the budget. People mistake their design decision for incompetence because their games don't play like mainstream titles they're used to.

>if it looks like a third-person action RPG then it must play as one
They would say.

>>389133182
This actually put me off as well. It's 1918, not 2018. Design your characters appropriately.

I bet it won't have hot vampire sluts like Jeanette, Velvet or LaCroix from VtMB. What is a vampire setting without sexual tension?

>>389147483

Their games are right in the middle between indie and AAA, i.e. AA games that we've been missing out on for quite some time. I'm willing to overlook some bugs or flaws if the devs actually do get better with every new game. Pisses me off that that shitty interactive slideshow by TTG is better known than the GoT game by Cyanide. I fucking love them for actually making some OCs and making them fit in the whole world, without disrupting the overall story.

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>>389133182
I have no idea why they changed the original design. Sure, it wasn't perfect but it sure as hell looked better than this new design.

>>389135826
That's a picture of boys, though. Not a doctor. No self respecting doctor of the era would walk around with a young lad's haircut.

>play as generic mywhitesman

No that's fucking boring. I like playing as a vampire seductress, not some edgy manchild

>hipster spelling of Vampire
>made by people who are responsible for life is tumblr and remember my name
>gameplay already looks like a ubishit formula "rpg"

Good goy i sure am excited for this.

>>389146795
I just hope that it comes with proper character creation. A fixed player character would drain all my will to play the game. Especially considering the theme of some tribes and how oh so progressive western devs currently are.

>>389148612
This isn't Dark Souls. I doubt we will get such quality, or such fashion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFY4U8bNn8U
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GHjg63p4Siw
I liked the old HUD better.
Let's see what this game turns out to be.

>>389148612
The tribe choice is certain,but the character creatino is 50/50.But I think it will have character creation.

I really want them to create good quests,good exploration and a good dialog options that affet the world around you.
Also I want to have a good mobility around the map,and not something grounded.

>>389149538
I can do without character creation unless it's actually meaningful. Preset character with a story is better than freedom to make myself look like a freak of nature as far as I'm concerned.

>>389146795
I hope they let us play as a Black Spiral Dancer. Werewolf lore is just as interesting as Vampire lore, a lot can be done with it, but until they actually tell us more and show us some gameplay I'm not getting my hopes up.

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>>389149538
just keep in mind tribes are not clans and you can switch them. they don't carry the same weight.

>>389133137
>hard lefties were the outliers of a right thinking society
ahahahahahah

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>>389147657
at least he looks like a goddamn vampire, not to mention unless your facial hair technology is really good it always stands out as bad and these guys are definitely not up there.

what the fuck does it take to be "the next VTMB"?

>>389150665
VtMB working in virtual reality

>>389150876
>VR
Nah man

>>389131516
>better version of VTMB?
excuse me

>>389150665
vtmb with less bugs, more girls to fuck and longer, more depth gameplay
aka a perfect game

>>389151437
I dunno, it kind of sucks right now but I can see it getting better in the future. Just thinking about doing the haunted hotel, the geodude Tzimisce things jumping out at you, the gargoyle jumping through the ceiling, etc. seeing all that in VR would be really incredible I think.

I feel like every "next VtMB" is just going to end up like Duke Nukem Forever. There are a lot of factors into what made VtMB a great game that is hard to recreate. The guy who made the music for VtMB said he was on drugs and just got out of jail the day before he made the music for Hollywood. You can't recreate that just by throwing money at a project.

>>389135051
I once had a dream I was playing a current gen blood omen with 3d graphics top down but with platforming, visceral combat and exploration. Funny thing is I much prefer the comfy 2d isometric level design of zelda/blood omen over most 3d games.

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>>389150665
Don't fail the trifecta of Lore, Gameplay and Art.
Half of what makes both VTM:B and Redemption such good games, is that they are strong in all 3 aspects.
>
So the Lore isn't shallow, and penetrates quite a bit of the games quest system, dialogue and clan choices.
>
Combat isn't 10/10, but its not too shallow and works quite well. And the RPG setup works quite well too, something a lot of games fail at.
>
And the game, even if it tries to be mostly photorealistic, conveys a good mix of models, colors and audible feedback, alongside a lot of good music and side radio stuff thats impressive.
>
>
Now, there is a added bonus. White Wolfs RPG system is actually balls deep. And its so deep, that its far deeper than what most games manage to do inhouse for their own game. Even something like Dark Souls is shallow compared all the faction stuff in VTM:B
And it translated well. Unlike lets say... Hunter the Reckoning.

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>>389131516
>anything by life is strange devs surpassing bloodlines

>>389146306
I'm waiting for the mage game honestly. It would be fucking nuts if they pulled it off.

>vampyr
Does this have some connection to Sweden?

>>389153204
They'll never be able to do Mage justice purely because of the freeform magic system integral to the game.

>>389153215
No thats just old spelling of vampire. Y got cucked out of a job by the superior I.

>>389153267
The game where you play as little hooded dudes and combine elements and shit into spells was fun though? Sure you'd never be able to pull off some of the insanity you can do on the tabletop but thats just par for the course for any adaptation of a tabletop rpg.

The shadowrun games didnt let me make my john woo phys adept who rolled literal bucketfuls of dice to remove problems but they were still fun.

>>389148181
i doubt people were fuckbois back then where it came to haircuts. People didn't care to establish their identity behind their hair cut, what they wear or politics they follow because IQ was higher.

>>389153497
>Sure you'd never be able to pull off some of the insanity you can do on the tabletop but thats just par for the course for any adaptation of a tabletop rpg.

But being able to pull off that insanity is actually a part of the narrative of a Mage game. If the writing doesn't address the malleability of reality, then it's not addressing a key aspect of the world.

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>>389153497
Shadowrun Returns magic system is nothing like magic in its source material, though. You could do the same in Mage but yeah. That lack of creativity would kinda defeat the purpose. Not abusing luck to make yourself a billionaire would feel like a massive missed opportunity.

>>389153848
I'm talking about the magic combos here. Games have been writing about fucking with reality since doom.

>>389153930
>I'm talking about the magic combos here.

So am I. In Mage, reality is consensus (to put it simply). Mages can defy that consensus to do the impossible, literally. Often not without consequence, if you're not careful.

Relegating that to something simplistic like arcane energy+fire energy=death beam is not in keeping with the narrative of Mage.

SHILL THREAD IS A SHILL THREAD

>>389154441
And you can script those into encounters, environments and dialogue while limiting the combat spells. And even then a competent dev could ensure plenty of more interesting spells do make it in like some of the shit time mages can do.

>>389149961
Yeah,it would be cool if we have multiple choices about you character like your karma,Gaia fighter and clans that will accept you depending of your way to deal with the situation.

>>389150175
Agreed,it would be cool if we have the choice to join the Black Spiral Dancers after a certain point,then you gain new abilitys and a new apparence(like a fucked up one).But until then,they will be your enemies.

>>389150346
It would be cool if you get to become a high up in one of them,where you can call for help or send trops to deal with the wyrm in the country(something like the "Mantor" in Ass Creed Bro and Rev).


I hope we get to transform in some sort of bat-like creature in this game,I loved to rip and tear as a Gangrel in VTM:B.

>>389154721
>And you can script those into encounters, environments and dialogue while limiting the combat spells

Yup, and defeat the entire point of even playing a Mage game. It would be shitty and unacceptable. If you're going to do something, do it right or not at all.

Imagine if they made a Vampire game where you could only use vampire powers at scripted points. Would be pretty dumb.

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>>389154806
>I loved to rip and tear as a Gangrel in VTM:B.

>>389154962
It wouldnt be shitty and unacceptable because no matter how you look at it using say, detect substance and craftsman's eye would make no sense being used in combat due to what type of spells they are, but could easily be utilized in free roam sections. Likewise mental scan and first impressions would be next to useless in a firefight but invaluable in social interactions.

A smart dev could easily use spell lists and examples from any of the editions, divide them into fields for use and then program them accordingly. Yeah it would be limited but if you're expecting 100% freeform you'll be waiting forever.

>>389154806
>I loved to rip and tear as a Gangrel in VTM:B.
>three hit claw combo
>first hit pushes enemy out of the second hit's range
>second hit obviously misses
>third hit takes forever to connect due to that gay little spin
I didn't.

>>389146721
I just hope we will get to tear some vampire fledglings.
That mission with a lone werewolf in VTMB was fairly memorable given how strong the motherfucker is.

>>389155435
I was waiting for this.

>>389155994
>mfw Build my Gangrel to use his Protean mode in every fight
>mfw Never used blunt/sharp weapons
>mfw Still capable to raped everyone using only my Protean
I had this problem at first,but then I just started to move right and go only to the second combo,then I step back a little and did it all again,I only used the third combo when the enemie was down or staged.
My Gangrel caused alot of damage even with ,so even with 2 combos,he dealt alot of damage(but in the begining was a little hard to fight against armed enemies).
My only problem was Xiao,she has being a tough bitch in all my playthough.

>>389155994
It doesn't matter, all you have to do is spam the first attack of the combo so there's no delay. The damage is so absurdly high even for supernaturals and never falls down due to it being aggravated, that you won't need anything else to complete the game.

>>389131516
that depends, you going to hang yourself for thinking this is anything related to vampire: the masquerade?

>>389155927
>Why would you do X in Y situation?

Because I want to. That's the entire draw of a completely freeform magic system. You're saying "Well the freedom would need to be limited in order to make it a game." Ok, so don't make the fucking game, then. Like I said, I'd rather have it done right, or not at all.

Also you have a really limited imagination as regards when certain spells "should" be used.

>>389156698
I was pretty annoyed with my Gangrel until I figured that out, then it became pretty fun because of the insane damage they can put out. Still wish the combo was fixed up a bit though.

>>389155435
Its great. Even if you need to step cancel the combo, because its not working as intended.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqmCPAjDavA&t=112s
The game is coming out in november,hope they release a new gameplay or at least a trailer in this month.

>>389158741

You're hilariously naive if you believe that's going to happen. They've been using pretty much the same shit from last year, nothing new has been shown since then.

>>389158741
Nah.
Its still just as bad

>>389133182
Exactly. This undercut queer bait is horrible

>>389158741
Feeling a little less optimistic after watching the video and reading the synopsis on Wikipedia. I mean it seems similar to VtMB, but it also just seems like a straightforward game with more limited choices.

You can choose combat or stealth for the main part of the game, and you can choose to go around talking to the townspeople and killing them for XP points or not. It seems like that's about it. The only other real choices are figuring out who the bad townspeople are so you can feel morally okay about killing them. It just seems a lot more shallow, sadly.

I hope I'm wrong because it would be neat to have something similar to VtMB coming out. But, a comment from YouTube says that the devs liked VtMB and wanted to make something similar but that just makes me think it's going to be VtMB-lite AKA not as good.

>interviewer asks what it was like coming up with new ideas like vampires not being affected by garlic

>>389131516
DUDE WHAT IF WE ADDED SKILL POINTS AND CALLED IT AN RPG LMAO

fucking kill yourself, shill. this game is not an rpg. it is nothing like bloodlines. i guarantee this game will sell like shit

>>389160759
Eh, why must they make it so shit and so mediocre? If they can't make it into a proper clone, why not just you know... NOT DO IT? And just make a awesome combat action game instead?
Remove the RPG tree, but leave in the talking, or at the least make it less shit.

>>389156081

>no lycan v vampire faction based multiplayer game

Where the fuck do I donate my shekels to get this?

>>389160759
Also I played the game "Bloodlust Shadowhunter" which was also inspired by VtMB, just more of a dungeon crawler. I played it a few times and it's not that bad, so I'm trying to not judge Vampyr so early and be too pessimistic about it but it doesn't seem like it does anything new. Bloodlust Shadowhunter combined dungeon crawling and roleplaying in a way that mostly worked, and had a couple interesting things going for it with the "secret sight" and "vampire gaze" abilities.

>>389160909
RPG means skill points and stats, not character choices.

>>389131516
I just found out that this was pronounced as "vamp-eyre" and not "vamp-ear"
I thought it would be the latter, am I just wrong or did the devs fuck it up?

Poor mans bloodborne

>>389155435
>>389154806

My niggas. Gangrel best Camarilla clan

>>389131516
>Focus Home Interactive
it's shovelware trash
gonna bomb hard and be buggy as fuck at release
screencap this post friends.

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>mfw I love the Vampire the Masquerade lore but can't get anyone to play the tabletop game
I feel so ISOLATED

>>389146306

Image source? I swear I've seen it, but maybe not.

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>>389161503
>ISOLATED

>>389161109
>wasting this setting with some brainless multiplayer deathmatch
That's more than wrong, it's evil.

>>389160967
Unfortunately I think they're just taking advantage of the VtMB cult classic status by making this, and appealing to the nostalgia of fans of VtMB. A lot of comments on YouTube are basically saying "I love VtMB and there hasn't been anything like it since so I'm going to buy this". It's pretty depressing because they aren't giving an objective opinion of the game.

>>389161719
>9161719
>>>389156081

I didn't mean a multiplayer deathmatch. I meant a more persistent MMO type of world without the tab targeting hotkey shitfest that usually passes as gameplay in a MMO.

EVE Online of vamps and lycans if you will.

>>389161503
>paying 100€+ for a tabletop game

>>389161503

I'd love to play the P&P game, but with my job and the general lack of players in the EU/Balkan region, I'm fucked.

>>389161503
>>389161994

Is there no place to find online TRPG games? They can be played over the net with a pretty minimal interface.

>>389161952
>not buying the books pre-owned
>not pirating all the other books that aren't needed for game

>>389161503
>>389161994
I'd really love to play the P&P game but I'm too autistic for voice chat and I don't know where to play it online for free

>>389161890
You try and come up with practical gameplay mechanics for that in a persistent real time multiplayer environment and you'll come to the conclusion it wouldn't make sense. It's for the best.

>>389162068

Like I said, my job fucks me over way too easy, since there's 2 shifts and they switch me around often. I wouldn't really have the free time to dedicate to this and still have something of a life outside my job.

>>389161851
Actually after reading more of the comments there are a fair number of criticisms, saying the moral choices are shallow, the protagonist looks like a modern hipster, the gameplay looks slow and boring, etc.

I really hope I'm wrong because I'd love to play another good vampire game but it's not looking good.

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>>389144484
This. I saw practically nothing good from the footage they've shown. It looks uninspired, ugly and boring.

>>389162141
I believe roll20 does World of Darkness but I'm not sure if they have any open games

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>>389162414
susan

>>389162503
delete

>>389131516
stop shilling this crap game

>better version of VTMB

kek

>>389141218
>young anons think woman looking like whores is in retrospect a "right leaning" thing
Our political climate really did go full bizzaro didn't it?

>>389162503
Why are saying a dead girl's name?

>>389161503
I think this is....DESTINY.
I know how you feel anon,is the same to me.

>>389160759
I see your point,indeed this is the only thing they talk about "Kill or let it live","Districts can be destroyed","See their life" but they really didn't talked too much about the mechanics and the choices in the game,I wanted to see more of the powers and the choices you can make.

I also worried witth the stealth,because it may turn out to be too simplistic.At least we know that there is going to be more then just humans and vampires to face.

I going to wait to see what they will pull out.

>>389162279
I guess we from 4Chan are accepting better this game.

The £40 asking price is fucking painful, but yeah, I'll be buying. I've a massive weakness for vampire fiction, and DN did a oddly good job with LiS.

I didn't expect to like it, and now it's one of my favorite games, not in that it's particularly replayable but in that I enjoyed it so much it left me desolate afterwards.

The gameplay actually looked quite dull, but I never really enjoyed footage of LiS either, or Telltale games.

>>389162623

They are not old enough to remember sex positive feminism.

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>>389131516
I don't know anything about this game, but
>2017
>Writing and atmosphere anywhere even in the same ballpark as VTM:B

Lol.

>>389162623
yeah it's pretty bizarre
things totally switched around.

>>389162642
I fear that choices are going to basically boil down to "do you want to kill this person or not?" and "do you want to go combat or stealth?"

A few other people have said how I feel about the dialogue wheel too, that there are too many times where you select something but the character says something totally different than what you'd expect. I really dislike dialogue wheels, VtMB had a nearly perfect system that I haven't really found in any other games. The original Deus Ex was close.

>I guess we from 4Chan are accepting better this game.
I'm actually seeing about an equal split of support and criticism on 4chan and off 4chan. That usually doesn't happen, but it seems like whenever VtMB is involved /v/ becomes a gentleman capable of rational discussion.

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We would like to remind all visitors that all stories here are FALSEHOODS and FICTION. None of these stories have happened in real life and you would be fool to believe in such fantasy like vampires or conspiracies. Please continue on with your day, thank you.

>>389162773
WoD lore is scarily close to reality without seeming unbelievable which is something that's hard to replicate. I think they must've had some legitimately mentally ill creative geniuses and when that happens you'll rarely find anything as good.

>Vampyr is the upcoming Action-RPG
Neat
>London, 1918
Ehhh
>developed by DontNod, the studio behind 'Life is Strange'
Nope.

/v/ contrarians

>>389163297
WoD also had a lot of time to compile and build its lore.
Compared to Vidya games with practical production limits of what is essentially 2-3 years at most, with small value in preproduction and art design.

>>389161161
If by "vamp-eyre" you mean the same pronunciation as vampire then yeah, I thought it was "vamp-ear" too. If the devs are saying it's pronounced the same as vampire then it's just a mistake on their part and it's going to cause confusion.

>>389163094
>I fear that choices are going to basically boil down to "do you want to kill this person or not?" and "do you want to go combat or stealth?"
I also fear this,I don't want simplistic decisions or effects,I want a bigger effect in the history and the gameplay caused by our choices.I really want this to happens,even more because we have something like a Camarilla and the Sabbath in this game,it would be good if our decisions that affects the districts could give us more interation with each side of the Vampire society,like one side wants you to keep the skaals away while the other wants you to increase the numbers of the skaals.

>A few other people have said how I feel about the dialogue wheel too, that there are too many times where you select something but the character says something totally different than what you'd expect.
I think this is the worse thing it can happen in a RPG game,you can easily waste a dialog because of something like this.

>I really dislike dialogue wheels, VtMB had a nearly perfect system that I haven't really found in any other games. The original Deus Ex was close.
I don't know if I dislike it,but it can easily cause a accident,the analog can slip to another dialog option.I think would be better to keep as a "side by side" options instead of a wheel.

>I'm actually seeing about an equal split of support and criticism on 4chan and off 4chan
In 4Chan the anons are quit a cult community,just take a look at how Jurassic World:Evolution was accepted(the Youtube is filled with disgusting normalfag who never played JP:OG).
>That usually doesn't happen, but it seems like whenever VtMB is involved /v/ becomes a gentleman capable of rational discussion.
I think we are better then most of the games community.

>>389163754
Yeah that's true, I know there's a lot of money involved and it's a business that needs to stay profitable but it would be nice if they could hire some writers to build the lore for a year or two before the game itself actually starts being developed.

>>389134374
the slavs will surely deliver, anon-kun.

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>>389164482
As far as I am aware, only Japstuff has anything resembling preproduction. Preproduction is when you prepeare a project, and in video game terms its often sketching/planning the game, often with very small art teams, and some writing.
What makes value in pre production, is willingness to do pre production, and then archive it for later use.
Most Final Fantasy games are made that way. And if the games are good, pre production is expanded and used for spin offs or sequels for that game.

In the west, i don't think there is real pre production. Which is often why licensed games can have higher qualities than normal video games.

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Stop playing VTMB. It's gay

>>389164262
>I want a bigger effect in the history and the gameplay caused by our choices.
Something like this basically involves creating multiple separate games and putting them into one, which is a lot more work, which means more time and money, so most companies aren't going to want to finance something that like, sadly.

>I think we are better then most of the games community.
There's a lot of shitposting here but I think some of it is just because people here are a bit more passionate about vidya. If you look through the shitposting you'll see a level of love for vidya that you won't find much elsewhere, where people are usually just playing what's popular.

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>>389165756
You're gay.

>>389165756

>It's gay

Have you ever looked up Legacy of Kain fanart? Don't.

>>389131516
>better version of VTMB
I'm pretty sure it's an interactive movie, not an action RPG

>>389165547
Sounds about right. There are a few western games that get praised for their lore but there are more that get derided for being only skin-deep.

Dark Souls is a good example too, where the lore is interesting while being subtle in some ways, and even though a lot of people read into it too much it's not entirely ham-fisted.

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>>389166283
FROM SOFTWARE ended up making the only game that generation, that ended up using Norse Mythology in a deep and layered fashion.
Its not particularly deep either, i guess they got a Western Pre Production, just with more work to make sure the art actually works, and they do recycle their stuff, to be effective.

I wish the west could compete with that, outside of insane RPG devs licensing some rather deep Pen and Paper systems.

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>reading another website comparing vampyr and vtmb

>Best thing to happen: Bethesda buys the rights for VtM:B.
>Imagine Bloodlines with the engine from Fallout 4 and all the stuff like V.A.T.S., Perks, etc. @___@

>mfw

>>389166673
>that ended up using Norse Mythology in a deep and layered fashion.
I really liked getting to Ash Lake and seeing all the trees holding up the world. It almost reminds me of Devil May Cry how they interpreted a lot of western myths and culture. I wish people would embrace this more instead of crying appropriation and treating it like something bad. It makes the best new things and brings us closer together.

>>389147534
You fucking idiot. That cut was all the rage in 1918

>>389135251
Many Great War soldiers had the same haircut. Don't just assume you know a piece of history

>>389145040
>Bloodborne
But Bloodborne isn't about vampires or werewolves.

>>389167520
>>389167624
These two are right, no beard + shorter sides with it being a little longer on top was done so you could easily use a gas mask and helmet. The modern hipster version is long hair with shaved sides, or just one side shaved.

>>389131516
Somebody give me a quick rundown

>>389167818
We didn't know that until the game actually hit.

>>389131516
>not set in modern times
>nu-male hairstyle

why do they do this?

>>389165958
>most companies aren't going to want to finance something that like, sadly.
Shame.

>There's a lot of shitposting here but I think some of it is just because people here are a bit more passionate about vidya. If you look through the shitposting you'll see a level of love for vidya that you won't find much elsewhere, where people are usually just playing what's popular.
Funny how things are.

I hope we get to see the combat once they "improve" it.
The exploration is quite a curiosity for me,I wonder how big the map is and what there is to interact with.

>>389167980
You're a vampire doctor struggling with your desire to feed on people. You can choose to be a lethal combat character or non-lethal stealth. You can kill townspeople or not, but killing them gets you XP points.

Seems like that's about it for now. There's a gameplay video but nothing looks particularly good.

>>389168132
read: >>389167624 >>389167831

doesn't look very good. looks like a console game

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>>389168208
another dishonored?

>>389168173
>The exploration is quite a curiosity for me,I wonder how big the map is and what there is to interact with.
I think this is what it's going to hinge on because the combat doesn't look like anything special. I'll always remember in VtMB finding the guy in Santa Monica talking to you through the speaker but not letting you in, and then later finding a deranged prosthetic doctor murderer. Or exploring the blood bank but not having a code to get into the freezer, but then later finding a restrained vampire.

If they can recreate things like that then it might be okay, but they didn't really show too much of the exploration in the gameplay video. Just a lot of dialogue.

>>389168132
>Short militant haircut
>Nu-male
What?

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>>389168592
I never played that but I was reading another website where people were discussing it and a couple people said "Looks like another Dishonored in a generic Victorian setting, not too interesting"

>>389168132
Anon, 1910s are modern times in the west.

A heterossexualidade é uma doença mental que precisa ser erradicada.

Mulheres são um mal necessário para a procriação. Sem elas, não se pode produzir mais homens bonitos, fiéis e amáveis que entendem os seus parceiros (homens) e conseguem lhes proporcionar o máximo de prazer com 100% de versatilidade.

Você deve procriar com mulheres para produzir parceiros e também mais mulheres cuja finalidade é apenas esta. Não se envolva emocionalmente com nenhuma Succubus. Beijar rapazes não drena mana e é a única forma de continuar puro após perder a virgindade.

>>389161382
FHI has actually been a rising publisher for these middle sized games.

>Life is Strange dev

Y'all really stoked for this shit?

VtmB also seemed to me literally like

>white people

the video game??

>>389169117
sopa de porra, uma delicia

>>389169519
^Este homem é iluminado.

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>>389169519

>>389168790
This kind of thing tends to happen in games,I just hope they put it in a smart way,I don't want a gigantic blood wall saying that I can't continued because "I can't".it would be better if the first district is fully open,but some quests can only be open after a certain point in the main mission,the same goes to the others districts.

> but they didn't really show too much of the exploration in the gameplay video
Hope they release a trailer showing/explaining the map,the districts,the effect of your choices and the powers of the vampire.The trailer until now is only teasing the game,not even trying to explain the game itself.

>>389169117
>>389169519
>>389169557
>>389169724
Ei,amigo,eu acho que entrou pela porta errada,o "clube de couro" é dois quarteirões abaixo.

>>389169848
>The trailer until now is only teasing the game,not even trying to explain the game itself.
I know it's only supposed to be a teaser because they don't want to ruin anything for people who are going to play the game, but in my experience when they don't show off other major parts in the game it's because they're not that good. I hope that's not the case here.

>>389169848
>Ei,amigo,eu acho que entrou pela porta errada,o "clube de couro" é dois quarteirões abaixo.

Não, não e não. Eu estou no lugar certo. A verdade PRECISA ser dita pois é a única forma do Ocidente restaurar a sua glória e sobreviver ao plano feminista dos judeus que querem nos fazer esquecer da real natureza do Homem. Ame mulheres apenas de forma irônica. Amor real é entre homens. Juntos construiremos uma sociedade em que a mulher será retornada ao seu estado natural de exercer mera função biológica sem qualquer status social relevante ou voz ativa. Este é o real patriarcado, possível apenas pelo verdadeiro amor entre homens.

Beije você um rapaz também.

>>389169984
I think would be better if they launch a couple of trailer to explain a little more about the game,one of them needs to be the gameplay,map,mechanics,etc.And the other need to be the story.
The fact that they are holding the story so the players can have a good walkthough is good,but we are left hanging about this game,we know only this:
>A medic is bitten by a vampire
>Now he is between saving lives or/and taking them to save himself
>Survive the nighs,hunted by skaals and hunters
>There is a mysterious creature watching
And thats it,I really hope they give us a little more about what the game is about.

>>389170584
Mas pouco a pouco nós morreremos.Eu posso fazer isso mas sem me relacionar com outros homens?

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>>389170829
>Mas pouco a pouco nós morreremos.Eu posso fazer isso mas sem me relacionar com outros homens?

Você jamais morrerá pois os homens que te amam verdadeiramente sempre cuidarão de você e você, deles. As mulheres jamais serão um empecilho na sua jornada e todo o papel parental será exercido por elas com diretrizes diretas e hierarquicamente superiores emitidas por homens.

Você pode ser parte da nossa sociedade sem se relacionar com homens, mas o verdadeiro caminho para a Verdade só pode ser adquirido através do amor carnal de outro homem. Não se preocupe, inicialmente pode causar espanto, mas após o primeiro contato você enxergará a Luz e a Glória que te espera.

>>389169984
Generally, the teaser will be the strongest part of games. Or the demo.
It could be graphically, gameplay wise, or in some other way.
But it will often be one of the strongest parts of the game, so you can showcase why the game IS awesome.
Unless trailer team is shit as fuck, devs are hacks, and there is nothing of value to show.

>>389169848
FODA SE

What kind of powers do you expect to be in this game?

>>389172941
I guess some shitty recycle of VTM:B had, with a focus on Blood Magic. Going by the trailer, thats exactly what it is, plus some shitty finisher.

>>389159946
You do know that the undercut was common during WW1, right? Made it easier to check for lice, from what I remember.

>>389173132
I think the only one missing is "celerity",but all the others are there.

>>389173230
>Made it easier to check for lice, from what I remember.
And to wear a helmet.

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>>389172941
Took a few screen caps from the trailer, nothing too out of the ordinary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqmCPAjDavA&
If you go to 11:25 you can see the combat and powers being used. Looks okay I guess. The rest of the trailer is mostly walking and dialogue though which seems iffy.

>>389174597
Put blood barrier twice by accident, oops.

>Nu male vampires
>Walk up, watch cutscene, repeat
>over the shoulder camera.
>"Le vampire is good people" forced narritive

Nothing about this looks good

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>>389168952
>generic Victorian setting

That's like the least used setting in videogames, people are really stupid. Or they don't know the difference between Victorian and Steampunk.

Well if they used "Dishonored" as a genre they obviously don't know much about videogames but still, cogshit has really killed that setting it seems.

>>389174597
So 3 of them are shitty Tremere skills. Plus Obscufate/Protean Mist

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>>389168952
1910s is one of those settings that has no been kind to making games.
Its overshaded by the Victorian age, the Edwardians, and WW1.

>>389174597
Mostly blood control with one ability of the "shadow" tree,hope they show more of the "shadow" skills and the "beast" tree,magic isn't my favorite.

That aim system isn't so good,the one in the pre-alpha was better,the character kept his focus on the enemie.Hope they improve it.

>>389175025
>"Le vampire is good people" forced narritive
This is up to you,anon.

>>389175465
>This is up to you,anon.

No. vampires should be kill on sight. this game portrays them as a portion of the populace that everyone is just A-okay with having around. its just plain wrong

>>389175553
No anon,this game,from what I read,have some sort of "Camarilla",a society of vampires that keep their existence as a secret(and kill everyone they want) and the skraals,vampires abominations that kills everything on their sight.Literally the classic vampires and the monstrous vampires.

>>389175845
But monstrous vampires are the classic vampire.

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Post the vampire clan that you would belong to if you were one.

>>389176524
Either Tremere (please god no) or Tzimisce

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>>389176524
Probably a Brujah or Nossie to be honest. Sucks you don't really get to choose.

>>389176524
Probably Nosferatu. I learned how to lockpick the doors in my house a long time ago. I even have a slight skin condition. Feels kind of bad desu but Nosferatu are still cool in some ways.

I do the series of questions in VtMB a lot and I mostly get recommended Nosferatu, but also Malk/Toreador/Tremere.

>>389176249
And there is this kind of vampires in the game.

>>389176524
Ventrue.

>>389131516
it´s made by the lis devs so no
I don´t support sjws since i don´t like the characters they create, the stories they tell nor the propaganda they put in their games

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>Anon wants a nu-White Wolf vidya
Be careful what you wish for

>>389176524
Bless the third eye. Or Odin.

>Ctrl+f "sjw"
>7 results
How many of you cucks even played Life is Strange. It's the utter opposite of SJW

>>389139841
Feminism used to be about sexual liberation back then, it was SJW as SJW was practiced at the time.

>>389176524

Malkavian most likely.

I have daemons.

>>389141218
>hating women is right wing

The virgin ideology.

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>>389177910
To be fair White Wolf was always liked that, they just weren't extreme with it and their game lines genuinely felt progressive in a time what tabletop roleplaying was firmly seen as a basement dwelling hobby for boys exclusively. They started including more women and it reflected in their audience. Sadly it was utterly predictably for them to jump on SJW crazy train and they did it whole hog.

I kinda want this game to be good but one mediocre game and one episodic piece of bullshit that you'd have to pay me to touch as the background for these devs isn't encouraging. Remember Me really did deserve to be a better game than it was.

>>389178594
VtMB has multiple gay characters that they portray in a neutral way. One good thing that usually happens is they criticize the crazier side of every group, even ones they support. So you might eventually have a character that's gone insane with the gender stuff and ends up getting killed for breaking the masquerade or losing control to the Beast or something like that.

That WoD interactive text game on Steam criticizes the insane side of liberalism and portrays a trans character in a negative light (not for being trans though).

>>389131516
vtmb? wat
its not even compared to vtmb.

not a bad game but its literally a devil may cry + rpg experience

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EqmCPAjDavA

>>389177910
>werewolves can now fuck and procreate with one another just fine

what in the hell? what happened to metis?

>>389150665
everything you came to expect from VTMB but set in a city the size of GTA5

on second thought we should leave this to rockstar

>>389179754
>not a bad game but its literally a devil may cry + rpg experience
That makes more sense. The combat does look more like a hack and slash although there's stealth so DMC might not be the best example.

That game DARK and this one are both "stealth-action RPGs" but DARK was pretty bad. Hope this one is a little better.

What's with these generic names? DARK? Vampyr? Feels like when popular people only had one name because it was cool at the time, Cher, Prince, Madonna, etc.

>>389179832
Gotta claim that its just a clan thing.
METIS
Ahoy ahoy ahoy

>>389179832
What? Really?

>>389180578
I don't think the map is the same size as GTA 5(maybe GTA 3 or GTA2).

>>389134091
>Just what fuck era is this even supposed to be in

american filter

that's why you have rpgs where characters talk like they're on a walmart parking lot

>>389133137
>All of white wolf is fairly sjw because back then hard lefties were the outliers of a right thinking society.
Why does /pol/ pretend that American media hasn't been dominated by lefties for decades?

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>>389131574
>I'm unironically hyped for this game. Probably because I'm starved for any vampire experience at this point
Play Darkest Dungeon DLC.

>>389131574
Bloodlust Shadowhunter is a decent game. It's like VtMB mixed with Diablo.

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>>389181274
Because US Lefties is still a bunch of hardcore fascists, from the European view. Or the British view for that matter, since Americans love to confuse Britain with Europa.
I repeat: HARDCORE RIGHTWING FASCISTS.
Thats the price of having a polarized society anon.

>>389181604
>Because US Lefties is still a bunch of hardcore fascists
>tfw liberal and it feels like there are only 3 or 4 other liberals who realize this

>>389181604
>Because US Lefties is still a bunch of hardcore fascists
More like because the US "lefties" aren't really lefties. Seriously, what part of the Democratic party is leftist? The part where it sucks Goldman Sachs' sack or the part where they initiate and continue all the imperialistic middle-eastern tragedies? US politics are a bad joke, and if you think you can rebel against the interests behind the two large parties, think again.

At least in SOME european countries different voices, whether communist or fascist, are actually heard, instead of bundling everything inside a pathetic "culture war" between the """right-wing""" (read: social conservatives) and the """left-wing""" (read: socially liberal).

>>389141218

the entire fucking game basically tells you "vampires are all assholes and can't be trusted"

>>389182562
The tutorial guy is a nice guy

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>>389179832
That is from Werewolf: The Forsaken 2nd Edition. Metis never existed in nWoD. In the first edition werewolves had the same problem as Mokole did in oWoD. Second edition then dropped that entirely and the relevant part of the Oath of the Moon has been changed from "Werewolfs shall not fuck other werewolfs" to "Werewolf shall not forget that they are part human".

>>389183250
Four dots in manipulation don't come from nowhere. He uses you like Venus did with the only exception being that his way of controling you is less on the nose than hers.

>>389182319
>Seriously, what part of the Democratic party is leftist?
The part that wants to increase welfare, taxes regulations and is pro gay marriage and lgbt rights in general.

>The part where it sucks Goldman Sachs'
What is this I don't even. If the Dems are pro Goldman sachs why the fuck do so many of them runs platforms about increasing regulations and taxes for the rich?

>>389184476
Still, he isn't a monster. Unlike everyone else.
That isn't up for discussion, by the way.

>>389177910
jesus christ
I no nothing about this series but that is all the info I need to avoid it like the plague in the future

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>>389184550
Don't you get it? All of those measures are still within neoliberal parameters. Neoliberalism is the reigning economic ideology, laissez faire liberalism. No matter how many tax regulations and welfare you pass, the end result is still the same. The middle class will still disintegrate, money concentration will keep becoming more and more polarised. US "Right-wing" and "left-wing" don't matter, they're both neoliberal.

Actual anti-establishment parties, whether right or left, start from opposition towards neoliberalism.

And don't make me laugh with the lgbt rights and gay marriage stuff. If gender pronouns represent the peak of the american "culture war" between the right and left wing, then it doesn't even warrant discussion. That's my point, that Americans have been caught up in a social policy argument and keep ignoring the bigger picture.

I'm only referring to the Americans that actually want things to change and seek that solution within the existing political system, which is impossible. For those that care about gay marriage and he/she/it pronouns and are fine with the economy as it is, no problem.