Unmodded, which is better? Skyrim or Fallout 4? I hear Fallout

>>389102843
dovahkiin wasn't prophesied anything

all it means is that can easily learn shouts. That's it. You're probably not even the only one in tamriel.

Unmodded Fallout 4 is much better, it's probably the best game Bethesda has made since Oblivion(which isn't saying much) It's still pretty meh, but it's playable without mods, unlike Skyrim.

>I just want a casual adventure game that I can chill out and play without thinking too much.

The reason Bethesda's games are popular is because you can do whatever the hell you please in them, if you don't want to collect items, or craft or micromanage then don't do it, just go shoot molerats and ghouls.

>>389102843
Out of those two, definitely Skyrim.

Fallout 4 feels uninspired and bland. Not to mention it's difficult to actually roleplay in it because your character already has a set backstory and goal. Skyrim, while it has a lot of flaws, is at least pretty atmospheric and comfy.

>>389102843

I don't want to be 'that guy', but New Vegas is better in role-play and story and in other regards than Fallout 4. Fallout 4 has settlement building and lots of (optional) customization. They both have elements that are better than the other, but New Vegas is overall better.

FO4 is the better shooter, NV is the better RPG. And its pure objective truth that all these games are better than Fallout 3. FO3 has aged horribly.

>>389103167
Yeah, when you haveWulfharth whose normal speaking turn into Shouts and die can use Shout to give his time to others, alongside a bunch of ancient Nords that shout down castle gates on a daily basis, Skyrim's PC is pretty pathetic

>>389102843
both are utter shit.

>>389102843
they're both garbage but it has to be fallout4
ID did the gunplay, so it's at least mediocre, whereas skyrim is just completely unenjoyable

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>>389102843
Both are shitty, I honestly don't know why they're considered to be categorized as best RPG games

>>389107103
Casuals with zero attention span. Nothing else really.

>>389105023
>I don't want to be 'that guy', but New Vegas is
Even if I agree with you this post reeks of "that guy"

Fallout has just as much special snowflakeism as TES.

>>389107754
>Maxson taking on a deathclaw at 13 without PA and only getting minor scarring

I couldnt alt-F4 any harder.

>>389107103

The mistake is pretending that they are RPG games, once you stop seeing them as RPG games they are mediocre, but not terrible.

>>389108076
ALPHA deathclaw at 13 without PA. You missed the most important part.

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>>389108076

Unbelievers i bet you are synths.

I think it's implied somewhere that his story is all fake

>>389107754
You can argue that's the case for 3 and 4 and potentially New Vegas, but no way in hell I see signs of that in 1 or 2.

>>389108896
This is some supreme ass bait. Did you come up with it yourself?

>>389102843
WHERE'S THE FUCKING JOKE?

Id say you have more freedom in Skyrim when it comes to play style

The Magic system alone expands your play style options more than Fallouts

>>389108989
>1
Some random guy who got lucky/unlucky enough to be chosen to go out (or quite literally drew the short straw) in the dangerous wasteland to go get some stupid water chip, and once he returns he learns the Super Mutants learned of the Vault's location. Because he's the only one who has any experience outside and is indirectly responsible for the Super Mutants learning of their location, he now has to go deal with them. He comes home and expects a hero's welcome, but instead gets cast out and forced to roam the wasteland alone.

I will admit I don't remember 2 too well.

>>389109463
>Skyrim's magic
>Variety
You're joking, right?

>>389107103
Fallout 4 isn't really even an RPG anymore.

>>389108989
>everything I disagree with is bait

>>389102843
Fallout 4. At the end of the day, I enjoyed an unmodded game as much as a modded one since I hate Fallout 4.

Skyrim NEEDS stuff like Frostfall to be at its best.

>>389102843
>Dovahkiin the last dragonborn, prophesied savior of the realm
>just some dude
I like the insinuation this is a bad thing, I'd rather make my own characters glory than hurr you're da dragonborn you famous son!
look at Oblivion, for all the guilds you can join, and titles you can gain, you start out as just a fucking nobody

>>389102843
They're both shit.

>>389109629
>Never played a passive monk run
Fire/Ice/Lightning cloak + flee shouts
>Never did a Kung Fu master run
Bare handed and Lightning Story.
>Never did a killer chef run
Forks and fireball

>>389109857
>you start out as just a fucking nobody
Yes conveniently ignore the fact the Emperor was completely gushing over how amazing you are at the beginning.

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Do you need 8gb RAM to run Fo4, or is it a toaster game like FO3 and NV?

>>389109981
You're really not making your case better here. Play a real RPG

>>389108896
2 is the tribal Chosen one and grandkid of 1's protagonist. The story doesn't really treat it like a big deal granted but his/her origins are way more impressive than the first game. 1's the only one where it's just some nobody from a vault, and even that is technically arguable since being from a vault is a big deal.

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>>389105023
New Vegas is equal to 4.

>>389109989
I don't remember it too well but didn't the emperor just say that he saw you in his dream and he had a vision that you would go on to save the world or some shit? It was only meant to foreshadow the future but at the time you were complete shit; it's up to you to figure out how you become a badass.

>>389102843
>morrowind
>you're sort of the chosen one but only because you bust your ass off to become the chosen one, and having that status is more of a title because it doesn't give you any special powers or abilities
>oblivion
>you're sort of a chosen one but again, it doesn't give you any special powers and it's the actual "chosen one" who ends up being integral to the main plot
>everything you accomplish is through your own work and hyper competence
>skyrim
>you're some magical dragonborn who has superpowers because "???" who everyone bows to

>>389110209
The aggregated NV score is brought down by the much lower console averages it got. The game runs like monkey piss on the PS3.

Skyrim is unironically the best RPG made in the last decade.

>>389110078
As opposed to what, shooter guy, space shooter guy, heavy shooter guy, explosive guy, and melee guy

>>389110346
You were never the chosen one in Morrowind you were being manipulated by Azura.

>>389110350
>excuses

>>389102843
Skyrim has more content and better content. Fallout 4 is only better if you really want to shoot things with guns, so much so that it's your entire motivation to play it. Fallout 4 has a terrible story, laughable cliche side quests, and so many other flaws that I could sit here for the next hour going on about them.
I really wish Bethesda would treat Fallout with the same respect they treat Elder Scrolls with, the Fallout games they make just come across as "muh 50s" themeparks with no thought or care put into anything beneath the surface

>>389110483
>As opposed to what, shooter guy, space shooter guy, heavy shooter guy, explosive guy, and melee guy
Or charismatic guy, or good with machines type guy, or scientist guy, or doctor guy, or gambler guy etc. You don't believe an RPG needs only combat builds, right? Also most of Skyrim's magic is really mundane shit like fireballs (or some other elemental equivalent), cloak, or enhance stats a bit.

>>389110218
Either way if the Emperor treating you as a special snowflake isn't a sign of you being a special snowflake, then I don't know what is.
>>389110530
No you definitely were the "chosen one", but I am willing to give Morrowind a point for not mentioning it anywhere except in a dream.

>>389110350
I love this meme that New Vegas is buggy and unstable as if Fallout 3, or hell any Bethesda game in general wasn't.

>>389110621
Post the PC only scores now, bitch.

>>389102843
>ton of item collecting, crafting, and general micromanagement

you can safely ignore it all, it's poorly implemented and only works because modders have actually made it useful

>>389110054
You'll need a decent rig if you want to play at high and get good fps

>>389110967
NV was worse on consoles than FO3 was. As it was like this when the expectation was the opposite, the scores were brought down.

>>389110967
NV was straight up broken at launch

>>389110765
No human kills in Skyrim is actually viable playstyle
Impossible in Fallout

>>389111113
Yeah, but if you have a crappy PC that can run NV, will it run FO4?

>>389110350
That seems hard to believe because these scores are critic scores. NV user scores are above F3.

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>>389111049
>being this mad that your favorite game isn't the best in the series

>>389111191
And so was Fallout 3, arguably moreso.

>>389110765
Dude don't front like those are actually play styles and not supportive to the favored offense types

>>389110967
How else can NV fags maintain the myth that NV is a masterpiece and all Bethesda games are trash?

>>389111213
I have no clue what you're talking about.

>>389103167
Initially you're not all that special, but as you progress it's extremely hinted that you're an incarnation of Talos.

>>389111316
>Dude don't front like those are actually play styles
Carrying a gun around for self-defense doesn't make you any less of a scientist. Play the games.

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>>389111156
>New Vegas IS the BEST! There has to be an explanation!

>>389104680
>SORRY I CAN'T HELP YOU I'M TOO BUSY BEING SAD ABOUT MY DEAD WIFE BTW DID YOU KNOW I HAD A WIFE SO BEGONE THOTS ALSO HAVE YOU SEEN MY SON I'M LOOKING FOR MY SON

That's why I liked New Vegas, because the only thing in place about your backstory is that you deliver packages. You can write anything else. At least until Lonesome Road I guess

>>389102843
Fallout 4 is a better RPG with better combat. But honestly looking at it from a purely casual perspective the biggest difference is setting.

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>>389111301
>Deflecting

Bad damage control. If I was wrong, you could have shut me down instantly by posting the PC only scores.

>>389111156
>>389111696
>replying to yourself

>>389111790
That's not how Metacritic works, some sites combine reviews so they show up for each platform. So no, I couldn't have done that without hours of work and you just aren't worth it. If I had to bet I am guessing the end result would not be that much different.

>>389111719
>At least until Lonesome Road I guess
Even with Lonesome Road you're free to dismiss Ulysses' claims as mad ramblings, if you wish. You have no memory of it either way, whether that was because it was just another delivery and not really worth remembering, because you lost the memory from getting headshotted, or because it never happened and Ulysses is just fucking nuts is up to you to decide.

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>>389111696
Trolling only works when it isn't obvious that you're doing it.

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>>389112042
I'm not trolling, just stating the FACT that Fallout 3 is the best game in the franchise.and New Vegas is overrated by delusional shills on /v/.

>>389112060
That makes it even more embarrassing for you, ya know.

>>389112301
>I was wrong so you should be embarrassed
Okay, buddy.

>>389102843
Go for Skyrim. It can be very chill and there's no need for micromanaging if you want to. And lorewise, it's way better than fallout 4

>>389112205
what was the point of fallout 3, again? Like the actual in-game goal

>>389112628
To enjoy playing a fun video game.

>>389112628
Save ur daddy so he can make the water gooder for everyone to drink

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>>389109857
You can easily remain a nobody in Skyrim too. It's fun. Just don't do the quest that reveals you to be dragonborn. Dragons will never appear in your game and you will never shout. Being dragonborn is optional!
OP, Skyrim is where the chill is.

>>389102843
Skyrim is great. And Fallout New Vegas is better.

That's all I'm gonna say about the matter.

>>389112689
So why'd they make Fallout 3 instead?

>>389112350
>Damage control

>>389112628
>>389112703
The goal in 1 is to get a chip so people in one vault can drink water. The goal in 2 is to find a pointless Macguffin.

>>389112791
Good one.

>>389112849
well, those are like the starting motivations, right? As in that's what you set out to do but other things change that into something more important.

Just like Fallout 3's is "find your dad" and then after that it's "Something something water purifier"

>>389112787
>Skyrim is great.
?

>>389112947
What is your point? You didn't like Fallout 3? That's fine you don't have to but plenty of people did and it remains the highest rated Fallout game ever made.

>>389113113
You think it isn't? It's definitely one of the great games of our time.

>>389112787
Fallout New Vegas is crap, stop pretending it isn't.
New Vegas has a good story narrative, and thats it. It failed in everything else.

The world is the worst open world game of the entire last two gens. Even MGSV had a better "open" world.
>hurr empty desert, scripted to be 100% linear and full of invisible walls if you do try to explore
The gameplay was typical clunky fallout 3 style shit.
The roleplaying was only average. (id say Skyrim is easily a better roleplaying game)

all in all, there is no comparison. Skyrim and to some extent FO4 are fun games to wander around in, they are open world roleplaying games. They have a lot of replay value because of that.
New Vegas is not open world or a roleplaying game, its just a Final Fantasy linear story driven narrative and then its over with 0 replay value.

>>389113186
Maybe if you have shit taste.

>>389113145
What is your point? You didn't like Fallout New Vegas? That's fine you don't have to but plenty of people did and it remains the highest rated Fallout game ever made.

>>389113205
>id say Skyrim is easily a better roleplaying game
stopped reading there.

>>389103167
>Trailer is about you being the chosen one
>Main quest is about you being the chosen one
>You're not the chosen one
Alright anon

>>389113274
Actually I did like New Vegas but I don't pretend it is better than 3 or some kind of gift from the gaming gods. It is a fun slightly different version of 3.

>>389113239
Greatness isn't defined by any one man.

>>389113145
I'm questioning the plot of fallout 3 you dingus

Just like the morality choices are highly questionable and not even a matter of moral dillema. Let's look at Megaton

>Disable bomb to ensure it never goes up: Good guy points +10
>Blow up bomb because why not lol: bad guy points -10

there's no moral dilemma to be had with this. It's not like Megaton is a cesspool of human civilization run by child rapist murderers. Just normal people.

Just like how you have the option to either do the water purifier, or do the thing with the modified FEV because lol why not

>>389113413
It IS better then 3. Substantially so.

>>389113501
Skyrim has a 94 on metacritic. It is objectively one of the best games ever made.

>but I don't like it

You'll live.

>>389113315
what role did you have in New Vegas?
Desert wanderer with a gun or desert wanderer with a spear? Oh wow! The options!
What path did you walk? a straight line in a desert? or.....the exact same straight line in a desert because you have no goddamn choice where you go.

The Elder scrolls engine is naturally better than the fallout one, but with the addition of things dual wield it got even deeper.
Meanwhile New Vegas still had clunky fallout 3 controls/animations.

New Vegas just sucked, im sorry to be the reality check for you. (not sorry)

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>>389102843
I'd go with FO4 because the combat is better, there is more to explore, the companions are better, and the vanilla UI in skyrim is dogshit.

>>389113521
What is your point? Fallout 3 is still better than every other Fallout game and you are in a small minority if you disagree. Which is fine, but don't act like your word is gospel.

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>>389113205
>Best mechanics
>best everything
>Crap

Wew.

>>389113652
jesus christ anon

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Fallout 4 is loads of mindless fun, but unmodded means you'll have to listen to the player's voice, which kinda ruins things. FO4 is much better with the Silent Protagonist mod.

Skyrim is on a whole nother level though.
Skyrim is the KING OF GAMES. Don't let these 4chan memelords convince you otherwise. You owe it to yourself to play Skyrim. Especially if you want Chill.

>>389102843
Unmodded white bread or room temperature water, which is better?

>>389113710
It's actually the worst game. Fo4 is better than it.

>>389113710
>lol who cares Fallout 3 is still epic XD
Is this Gamefaqs?

>>389113652
You have a choice where to go in NV, you can go straight down the road or in a zig zag pattern.

Joking aside 3 and NV handle "role playing" in two completely different ways. 3 has the player creating their experience by choosing where to go and what to do. NV has the player choosing what to do within a set narrative, not unlike a "choose your own adventure" book. Neither approach is better than the other they are just different.

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>>389113886
3 is the highest rated in the series.

>all of these Fallout 3 apologetics ITT

>>389113846
I don't mind hearing the player's voice, but I forgot that by default the conversation UI doesn't show what you actually say which pisses me off. Fortunately it doesn't matter what option you pick. Has literally no effect on anything.

>>389113802
>best everything
yes, a linear desert with invisible walls, fallout 3 controls, unplayable 3rd person camera and no replay value.

what a great game.

>>389113987
Your Mom is the highest rated whore in the neighborhood.

>>389114013
It is objectively the best Fallout game.

>>389113987
Not by the people who play them.

>>389114087
Yeah, she has a 92 on metacritic. Scores don't lie.

>>389114092
I feel like you were saying it for lols at first, and now you've actually become emotionally invested in your own trolling stance. Like that guy who defends Daniel being a pussy in honest hearts.

>>389114170
kys nigger.

>>389114105
Unfortunately there is no way to actually know that. We could use user reviews but they are untrustworthy. People commonly tank user review scores for reasons other than the actual game or give 10s to games simply because it is new and they like it.

>>389114170
>Scores don't lie.

Oh but they do, and you know they have done so ever since the idea of scores existed.

>>389103167
he was prophesied and was sent into the world by the gods
>>389111531
there isn't a single hint that you're an incarnation of Talos in the game. there's even another dragonborn in the dlc.

>>389113912
I think both FO3 and NV suck.
Though FO3 was at least open world, New Vegas is not even that.

New Vegas had decent writing, and thats literally all it had.
The Legion were mildly amusing though so clearly painted as "duh bad guys" that the game basically gives you shit just for siding with them.
Yes-Man was the best character in the whole game. Probably the only reason worth actually finishing it.

>>389113652
cool story OP. If you genuinely believe that FO4 is superior, there's nothing That I can do to convinceyou otherwise.

For me, it's like asking wether I like star wars or Lord of the rings better. I like both of them a lot and recognize them as different experiences, even if you wanna underplay the replayability and variation of Fallout New Vegas.

Though just a reminder, you do realize that Skyrim is essentially a snowy, barren wasteland also, yes? With occasion caves and varying levels of said snow? And dwemer cities. Can't forget that.

Oh and you can collect flowers and butterflies, how fun. Very special, how could New vega compete.

Anyway, it's all good. Whatever floats your boat. Different strokes for different blokes. Don't see why you need to e upset about it all.

>>389114326
exactly how is open world a good thing

>>389102843

Fallout 4 unmodded is fine
Skyrim unmodded is unplayable.

>>389111230

Fallout 4 is literally a DDR4 or GTFO game. Runs like trash without fast RAM

>>389114257
I don't understand how anyone could really go with Daniel's plan of running away. Fighting isn't about saving Zion, it's about stopping the White Legs. Leaving is the selfish option, punting the problem (which will get worse) for Mojave to deal with in the next decade.

>>389102843
skyrim unmodded is dogshit.

unmodded fallout 4 is still a great game. shooting is tons of fun, settlements are fun, exploring is fun.

skyrim is meh, bland as fuck.

>>389114291
>Unfortunately there is no way to actually know that

You're in a thread full of people giving you reasons for why they think NV is better.

>>389114557
>unmodded fallout 4 is still a great game.
Todd pls

Skyrim. Nothing helps FO4.

Is it weird that I never really ran into a bug in Skyrim on ps3?

>>389102843
skyrim has more of an experience than fallout 4.
there is literally nothing to do in fallout 4 except build settlements for a bunch of worthless idiots.

>>389113601
Do you have a disability?

>>389113912
>or in a zig zag pattern.
Dont' remind me of my first time playing where I ended up changing sides every time a new option came up because I had no idea what I was doing

>>389114326
>Yes-Man was the best character in the whole game. Probably the only reason worth actually finishing it.

Well this is unanimous truth at least

>>389102843
The irony of this comic is that while the Sole Survivor is "just some guy", FO4 does not make it subtle that you're supposed to be Nate and shoehorns you into your role if you want to see the game through, while the Dovahkiin can be practically anyone. It felt like I was playing an NPC.

>>389115280
Did you by any chance use a revolver and a ranger duster

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>>389110209
>Bethesdrones have sunk so low that they let others form their opnions for them

>>389113205
>Skyrim and to some extent FO4 are fun games to wander around in, they are open world roleplaying games. They have a lot of replay value because of that.

>F4
>RPG
>replay value
lmao

>>389114326
> FO3 was at least open world

Yeah I liked all those blocked off streets around the city that anyone could easily jump over the debris but you're forced to go through 300 different metro stations too

>>389102843
What do you want to kill youself? Just use mods, both games are unbearable otherwise.

>>389104457
Pretty shit opinion

>>389104457
If you want to play an RPG where you can do anything, play D&D, where you can cause the entire plot to shift from a normal adventure to a demon lord being summoned and confined

>>389102843
>Unmodded, which is better?
Fallout NV

>>389102843
No mods whatsoever, Skyrim is better. The world is bigger despite what Bethesda says and there is a lot more variation in quests.

But I highly suggest at least unofficial patch. Maybe if you hate the micromanagement stuff and hassle get Rich Merchants and some ring of carry type. You'll need both if you want to turn your brain off pretty much completely.

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>>389109981
It really fucking bad when you have to cobble together bullshit spells and pretend to be a monk instead of playing a real game and actually playing as a fucking monk

>>389110447
Play Ni No Kuni you stupid cunt

Fallout 2, prove me wrong.

>>389102843

Skyrim. Fo4 forces that shit main story quest so much on you its annoying. I dont know who thought having a fully voiced mc was a good idea when the nigger says what i dont want him to say even though i clicked on what i wanted him to say.

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>>389114648
it is mang

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>>389102843
I felt like skyrim had more replayability, skill points were something you planned ahead, and the combat was just funner
Fallout 4 I felt more emotionally invested in the characters and companions, spent more time gathering and crafting, and felt more immersed
Id pick skyrim though, mostly because the weapons, fallout has a shitton of unique weapons, but you hardly use them, at least i dont, usually i just end up carrying a gun for each ammo type and range, customising the weapons was great too, but again, still end up with the same weapons no matter who you play as, in skyrim, when i create a character i already have an idea of am i going to use two handed this playthrough, am i going to be a stealth archer, a stealth archer, or maybe a stealth archer?
I dislike the 2d personalities of the followers in skyrim, but lydia was still more memorable than any fallout companion to me, maybe it's because you meet half of them in the first five minutes of leaving the vault?
also you cant put buckets on peoples heads in fallout 4, 0/10

>>389113205
new vegas being more linear in the early game than skyrim or fallout 4 actually makes it a better roleplaying game because everything has been written and planned to provide options for your character no matter what build or personality you're going with. by plotting a direct pathway for you, they were able to program different decisions for you to make based on who you're playing as.
goodsprings has a bethesda-tier choice of whether to go "good" or "bad" and while the good choice has better immediate rewards, the "bad" choice gets you in with an organization that gives you a solution for a quest in a later town
every area you go to with an issue has multiple solutions ranging from "walk away", "kill everyone" or "talk to people and figure out a solution" with the third option having the best rewards but the hardest path (unless you can fulfill speech checks or skill checks)
fallout new vegas is so fondly remembered because almost every quest in the game boils down to a choice between these three methods, with the third often having multiple ways to resolve things depending on your alignment (both morally and with factions), your skill build, and your previous actions
it's something that bethesda hasn't done in any game since morrowind, which is kinda sad

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>>389112727
I remember doing this for a few particular builds and I had so much more fun with the game.

Skyrim's wyverns can fuck off

>>389102843
Skyrim without mods is still pretty comfy but the game was buggy as fuck even by Bethesda's inept low-level standards. Especially when comparing and contrasting the console versions. FO3 had some game breaking bugs before patches came in for it on the Xbox 360 and especially PS3 but jesus christ was the PC version awful early on.

So its really hard to say.

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>>389102843
I enjoyed Skyrim far more, the exploration was really pretty great, and I very distinctly remember climbing up that big thousand step mountain and hearing a dragon roar, expecting a fight, but it was just flying around distantly over head, before curving behind another mountain and dissapearing. Really made the world feel alive, even as dumb as dragon fights turned out to be.

>>389121916
what the fuck delete this

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>>389113652
>what role did you have in Skyrim ?
>Wanderer with melee weapons or wanderer with magic?

>>389111531
>as you progress it's extremely hinted that you're an incarnation of Talos.

This nigga probably don't even know who Talos was. That shit would make no goddamn sense in TES lore.

>>389121916
>tfw even vanilla Bethesda games are too spooky for SpookieBoogie

>>389121325
Laziest bait image I've seen in a while.

99% of the fun with Skyrim is finding, mixing, and matching mods to make it look better, improve everything about it, and then not playing it.

>>389121325
>t. totally not Todd "if there's NV, I'll be very displeased" Howard

>>389121916
>Todd Howard: IT JUST WORKS

>>389110209
FO4 getting an 84 after Bethesda withheld bonus pay to Obsidian if NV got below an 85 will forever tickle me pink.

>>389111156
FO3 should've done much worse, then, considering it became progressively unplayable due to all the artefacting going on on the 360. It was like the void was tearing its way into reality every second.

>>389102843
>Unmodded, which is better?
That's irrelevant since mods are an necessary and integral part of the experience. Otherwise just play Witcher 3.

>>389102843
I've played skyrim for hundreds of hours, and fallout 4 for maybe ...8? I don't have it myself. Fallout 4 looks great, no question, and it's even pretty fun to play, but the quests are garbage, there's so much junk/ammo/guns lying around that you never feel like a scavenger in a post apocalyptic world; within about an hour you'll have more ammo than you'll ever use. Even playing on the hardest difficulty, the game is easy from the get go. Unlike early fallouts, it gives you late-game gear (and enemies) right off the bat, which really drains the satisfaction. The main questline is basically unfinished.

>>389121916
what's wrong with it?

>>389102843
Skyrim, but only because I'm a sucker for alchemy and skyrim does wonders when it comes to autistically scouring the map for ingredients.

>>389103167
You're literally The Last Dragonborn, the prophetic hero of the Elder Scroll that details Alduin's defeat. At least Morrowind made you mantle Nerevar before the prophecy meant anything.

>>389102843
unmodded? Skyrim hands down. Im playing fallout 4 just to beat the dlc and finally throw in the trash and forget about it.