There is no such thing as a video game.

Holy mother of subjective opinions

Do video games actually exist or are we all have a shared delusion?

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>>389074972
wow

deep...

>>389074972
That second tweet isn't wrong. Shantae's another good example. Make something pretty and it'll get more attention regardless of how good it actually is. The first tweet though is just retarded

>>389075360
>he thinks ARMS is bad

Seriously?

>>389074972
>arms
>success

I wish I'd live in an alternate universe too. If I had to pick I'd be the only male in an universe of horny cute underaged cat girls.

>>389075665
>ARMS is not a success

Are you from the berenstein universe?

>>389075665
A new fighter game IP that sold a million within the first couple weeks and beat Tekken and SFV in Japan isn't a success?

>>389076057
No.

>>389075593
its a fighting game for people who don't like or play fighting games

>>389076057
Let me remind you of some facts:

>ARMS is a party game
>It's one of the VERY VERY few first party title switch owners are able to buy that isn't a port (the only one?)
>The switch is (one of?) the fastest selling console in the history of nintendo
>switch owners are thus fucking THIRSTY for games
>SFV and Tekken are just try hard competitive games with a die hard fan base that fails to attract new players because they prefer to cater to the old ones.

>>389074972
He's right about marketing going a lot further for (initial) sales than making a good game.

>There's no such thing as a video game

My peanuts are popping

>>389076704
This. It rings pretty true today. What does it matter if your game is bad or not when you get a good 1 million sales off the bat. And it's not like people are going to refund them.

>>389074972
How can video games be real if our genders aren't real?

>This account's Tweets are protected.
Pffft.

>>389076612
Fucking thank you.

ARMSfags are gigantic delusional retards. I'm gonna sound like a shitposter, but it's just fucking glorified Wii Boxing and there's nothing that can change that.

ARMS sold well because Switch's library is fucking anemic as shit but the console itself is super popular.

>>389076862
wtf is a protected tweet

>>389076913
Only followers can see it.

>>389076783
or D3 when you market it with brand naming and it's a big piece of shit that sells millions

>>389074972

>calling Arms mediocre

Fuck you Josh

Is the game overpriced with not a lot of content? Absolutely

But it's not mediocre, the gameplay is great

>Tired of video game drama and decides to go on vacation for an entire month and not going to YouTube or Twitter

>Once he comes back he tweets the most retarded shit ever

Josh go away

>>389076612
>>389076890
>X game sold because Switch has no games!

Had been said about

>BOTW
>Bomberman R
>MK8D
>ARMS
>Splatoon 2
>1-2 Switch
>Mario Rabbids
>Ultra Street Fighter 2

So far, and I expect the trend to continue well into next year. How many games will find success on the Switch before this stops?

>>389076612
>>389076890

How long until this isn't a valid argument?

Knack sales were trash before and after 3D World

>>389074972
>This account's Tweets are protected.

Looks like this kid got BTFO'd

>Switch game sales does good

>PLAYERS ARE STARVED

If you guys say this about Mario Odyssey I'm going to dox you to find your address and bitch slap you personally

>>389077563
No. It hasn't except for Bomberman. The rest had other things to rely on. You're a fucking retard if you think MK8D or Splatoon 2 sold because there wasn't any other option. They sold because they're fucking Mariokart and Splatoon.

>How many games will find success on the Switch before this stops?
by the end of 2017, the library will be rich enough that the "lack of choice" argument will fall flat.

>>389077751
See above. Once we have Odyssey and a couple more "major" titles, the library argument will die.

But never EVER forget that ARMS did those numbers while the literal only other major games were a Wii U port and an upgraded Wii U port.

>>389076396
isn't that smash bros?

>>389074972
I don't even understand what point he is trying to make.

>>389077873
It absolutely was said about every title that I listed. I never said I agreed with the morons saying it, but it was definitely said.

>>389078083
Well if you count every shitposting fuckstain you happen to stumble across, you can find anecdotal supporters for any retarded opinion you want.

>>389077563
That's barely over one (1) game per month since switch's launch. And no one said that about Zelda. Nobody can say that when we're talking about pre-established first-party games.

Sure you can get quite a lot of playtime out of it, but what about the others?
Did you spend 30 days milking a cow with your 1-2 Switch? Were you impressed by the technical capabilities of the switch with your USF2? Is bomberman single player good enough to keep you waiting for one month for the next game?

>>389077881
No that's a fighting game for people who want to start hating fighting games.

>>389077981
That the quality of a game is not the strongest predictor variable for financial success.

>>389075207
i won't if that's for sure

>>389074972
>how can video games be real if our eyes aren't real

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>>389076612

>isn't a port

Let's say it together everyone

NOBODY
BOUGHT
A
WII
U

Only Wii U owners and people who have no interest in Nintendo consoles are complaining about the Ports

>ARMS isn't a good game
>Beats out fucking GUNDAM at Japanese EVO

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>>389078187
One worthwhile game a month puts it ahead of every Nintendo console since the Gamecube

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>>389074972
video games are interactive storybooks

>>389078349
>Nintendo's new darling for Japan's hottest consumer electronics craze
or
>Mechs for otaku faggots

You're being dumb. ARMS is normieshit in the Japan. Don't think it's beating out Gundam.

>>389078480
>worthwhile = sold well

Read again.

>>389078289
Then why is he arguing video games aren't real?

>>389078486

VN's are interactive storybooks

Video game is another thing

>>389074972
Someone hire this guy as as a Hollywood philosopher

Can we stop being retarded for a second and just consider that ARMS did well because it was a GOOD GAME?
Do we need to make a excuse for these things when most of the time it's just people moaning about a game they don't even own?

>>389074972
ARMS is great. The recent tournament with the Japanese ranking players cemented that even further.

>>389074972
Somebody post those videos of him jerking off.

This guy has been like this since his melt down over Nintendo putting Cloud and Bayonetta in Smash over Banjo

>>389078576
He accidentally a word.

>>389079235
no way

this nigga is definitely gay have you seen his modeling pics on instagram

boy fruity as a motherfucker

>>389079313
How would you know? It looks like he just doesn't believe in the existence of games.

>>389079235
>>389079390
looks like the videos are gone, I'm sure I have them on an old hard drive maybe I'll get around to finding them someday

>>389074972

The first sentence of the first tweet doesn't go with the rest of what he wrote, at all.

>There is no such thing as a "video game".
and then three sentences later
>This is why you sometimes see mediocre games find success
WOW, HOW THE FUCK CAN WE SEE THEM IF THEY DON'T EXIST?!

>>389079467
Alright I looked at it again and I guess there's nothing you could add to make it make sense.

Maybe what he was going for was is that video games aren't sold as video games, it's everything else that convinces people to buy them. The use of "image" is throwing me off because in this context it's usually referring to the general attitude about a brand/person but I think he's using it more literally, like the games are actually visually appealing. So the point he's making is that nobody gives a shit about actual gameplay, they'll buy something because the trailers for it have pretty colors and flashing lights.

>>389074972

Josh Thomas needs a thread on KF already, he's as batshit insane as Brianna Wu sometimes.

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Why would he pick ARMS for this argument? There are loads of far worse games that sell a lot more.

>>389074972
What a fucking idiot, trying to be ahead of his time with a groundbreaking controversial new idea.
I just played Jak and Daxter, it was a very fun GAME. I didn't watch commercials before it.

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>>389080252
Josh is a fucking delusional asshole and I legitimately hope he drops dead. I can't get into detail but like a decade ago he screwed me over and then he came to me asking for a fucking favor just weeks later? Fucking cunt.

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How can video games be real if our consoles aren't real?

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>>389076612
>SFV and Tekken are just try hard competitive games with a die hard fan base that fails to attract new players because they prefer to cater to the old ones.
>reaching this hard to find an excuse for why a new fighting game IP outsold two IPs that are over 20 years old

Why is it so hard for /v/ to accept that ARMS has sold well?

>>389080252
I was starting to draft one, but I couldn't find old tweets that really highlight his insanity.

If someone can dig up older tweets and post them here, I'll make it.

He's right, that PUBG shit hired marketing to viral the shit out of it and some LPers to shill for it and it's succeeded. Not only has the scam worked, it worked so well it's now the biggest seller on steam even while the developers are pulling support for their unfinished EARLY ACCESS unoptimized turd and trying to start a fucking e-sport league for it.

>>389078187

That was said quite frequently about BotW.

>Mention any positive about sales and attach rates
>"WELL OF COURSE BOTW HAS OVER 100% ATTACH RATE, WHAT ELSE ARE PEOPLE GOING TO BUY?"

>>389081061
BotW has over 100% attach rate because I own one Switch console and at least four copies of the game...
(´・ω・｀)

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>>389080984

All you need is this picture.

Oh, and the one where he's jacking it off on cam.

>>389080963
Because you're confusing with "Selling well" with Being a a good game. No mans Sky sold very well, therefore by your logic, its a good game

See why thats retarded?

>>389081365
I have that one. I don't know, there's ten years worth of shit I want to cover.

>>389080963
>outsold two IPs that are over 20 years old
>old == good

What part of "niche competitive games only liked by core fanbase" do you not understand?

>>389075202
if you think about it life is one big video game...`

>>389074972
Who?

>>389074972
Can we get /v17-/ already so we can move all this eceleb garbage there?

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>>389081365
holy fuck, and I thought this guy was just some faggot

Never have I seen a guy this jaded about games... well, besides most people here on /v/.

>>389082087
Heh

uh oh, what did ol joshy say now

>>389074972

The point he's trying to make has some degree of cynical merit but the way it's said is just dumb.

>>389080167

The idea that companies are often selling an image or concept moreso than the product's functions itself is not a poignant observation. It's blatantly obvious in gaming this point. A game like Watchdogs garnered 100's of awards pre-release, pushed as "1st true next gen game" and garnered millions of pre-orders. Then it released and got like 7/10's, thus a mediocre GTA clone basically overshadowed much more deserving titles at E3 and reaped millions of sales for its concept rather than its execution.

He's an retard for thinking he needed to point that out and he's an even bigger retard for being incapable of articulating something everyone already knows.

dude is a weirdo and this has been known for a long time

>>389075207
Why? Beats shitty consolewar threads, "le here is my le epic drawing" threads and people talking about shitty meme games like Player Memeknown's Memegrounds.

>>389081503
http://web.archive.org/web/20141110094342/http://adidasdiaper.tumblr.com/post/81471656849/zuperherodiap-who-wants-to-prop-me-up-on-this

http://web.archive.org/web/20141110094713/http://thepizzafox.tumblr.com/post/84746943986/guyingoodnites-zuperherodiap-i-wanna-do-a

http://web.archive.org/web/20141110094842/http://thepizzafox.tumblr.com/post/69589980366/diaperdj-german-diaper-boy-zuperherodiap

>>389082451
The idea the marketing sells games no matter how bad they are is an idea thats been around for forever, but that there are "no such things as video games" is fucking retarded.

>>389082967
jesus christ

There is no such thing as a gf. It's all just about image and marketing. Put your energy on that and you'll succeed big time.

>>389081365

babyplay is the fucking creepiest fetish, holy shit

>>389076890
>ARMS sold well because
So you do agere that it's a success right? Because that was the original argument.

pretty sure this is the gayest thing on the internet
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-MF50UKCItU

>>389076057
Well when you have a Switch, you don't have many options. That's why a lot of Switch and Wii U games like Splatoon got away with having such miniscule content on launch.

>>389075360
>hes right! (insert game I don't like here) is a perfect example!

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>>389080984

Just post a thread and the autismo Kiwis will do the rest of the digging.

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>>389074972
>TheBitchBlock
>Mr. "Fire Emblem and Xenoblade aren't REAL Nintendo games"
>Now claiming that there's no such thing as a REAL video game

Imagine being this much of a faggot.

>>389080652
Because his only frame of reference is a select few Nintendo franchises that he plays. He probably played ARMS and didn't consider a "true Nintendo game" and got butthurt over it.

As stated here >>389084946, he does this any Nintendo game that doesn't fit with his idealized view of what a game should be.

>>389077751
It hasn't been a valid argument for a while now once a console passes the five game minimum requirement then that's it.

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>>389074972
Amen bro.

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>>389086984
>Actually and unironically listing NeoGAF
What did Sony mean by this?

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Marketers piss me the fuck off. I've seen so many brilliant games get absolute DOGSHIT sequels because of marketers convincing the devs that they need to appeal to a wider audience and dumb everything down and remove anything unique.

>>389074972
Wow really twisted my testicles. Did this guy make the fun is a buzzword post?

>>389074972
>>389074972
>video
>on a monitor
>uses frames
>game
>not real
>for fun or enjoyment primarily
Now shut the hell up.

>>389084349
lol he's a republican too

>>389077438
I was gonna say the same thing.

>>389076827
Only if we smash the patriarchy.

>>389084349
>Cut ties with every youtuber
>Cut ties with Nintendo
>Bash youtubers and nintendo in every livestream, as well as boast about delicate political topics
>Views go down, subs stop, get complaints from fans.
>whydoesthishappentome.png

I'm not saying the guy should "play by the system's rules", but yeesh, have SOME sense of holding back stuff. The only reason a Gamexplain/Bitblock drama happened is because that guy kept bringing it up. Who would wanna associate with some douche that bad mouths everyone else? Bad business decision.

>>389089985
Josh Thomas is a turbo autist sociopath and should have had a wiki all to himself already.

>>389078576
Because our eyes aren't real.

What an edgelord. Sometimes a game can market itself to success and sometimes a good game can succeed through word of mouth. Usually it's a combination of both. There's nothing wrong with getting the message out there and trying to let people who might be interested know your game exists, but if you solely rely on bullshit advertising people will call you out on it.

>>389081882
... and wether we succeed or not, depends on how well we market out own images. Because our lives aren't real...
Is Josh Thomas the ultimate philosopher? I feel my eyes have been opened...

>>389090575
Theres no such thing as a game.

>>389075593
He's probably a VERY upset sonybro.

>>389075207
no such thing as twitter

>>389074972
Many games that are considered "great", I discovered such on my own without the influence of marketing. Take OOT, which was my defining childhood game. It was at my babysitter's, and I had it and many other games to choose from. It was OOT I chose to play and learn. I learned from It's merits alone.

>>389089985

Andre already explained what happened. Memory is a bit hazy but Andre reposted or liked some dumb women's march thing, Josh sperged out and demanded an explanation. Literally that's it, Josh is an autistic manbaby who takes /r/The_Donald a bit too seriously.

It's also funny how much ass-kissing he does. When the Switch was announced up to the release, his channel for months was constant Nintendo dick-sucking. He would make videos defending them and how amazing the Switch looks, and then that attitude completely changed after he signed up for Nintendo's Brand Ambassador Program. Unsurprisingly he gets rejected, because he doesn't seem to grasp that he's fucking blacklisted, and becomes a crying pissbaby again because he can't get free products from Nintendo and went back to hating everything about them.

My theory is the rebranding of his channel is, once again, an attempt at getting back on Nintendo's good side in order to get on their program, but I'm sure they aren't retarded and want nothing to do with him.

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>>389074972
>tfw when the game has gameplay

>>389074972
I don't know who that is, but he's right on both accounts. Actually, no, it's not you just "sometimes see mediocre games find success", it's all the fucking time.

>>389077302

It barely qualifies as more than a Mario Party minigame.

>>389091621
Hes right in that theres no such things as video games?

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Was he right?

>>389091758
He's right in the business sense. That's everything the AAA and the vast majority of the AA market are.

How can video games be real if our marketing isn't real?

>>389091921
Gee whiz, business have to have business strategies to sell their products? Now you're gonna tell me that movies aren't really movies and that books aren't really books. What even IS entertainment??

>>389091912
no because video games aren't real so no one showed anything

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>>389091912
>conveniently ignores Odyssey

>>389091912
>>389092258
Dude became too dependent on Nintendo's products for his own happiness.
.... Tragic.

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>>389092137
>mfw plebs actually pay for entertainment
Who else gets their entertainment from banging two sticks together? Those ebil corporations won't trick me!

>>389092137
Call it whatever you like smartass, the end result is still a few mediocre frameworks regurgitated over and over, selling exclusively on inconsequential aspects like graphics and characters.

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>>389081396
>>389081749
>all these moving goalpost
Nobody said sales = good game, just that somehow people on /v/ can't accept the fact that ARMS is a success, which is true. But hey, keep changing the subject and maybe you will feel better by evading the truth.

>>389092473
A video game is still a video game, even if it's a rehash. What a stupid argument

>>389092473
Except when it's not? Seems to me that you're only seeing a world filled with Marvel movies and Call of Duty. Too bad good, original products go so far under the radar.

>>389092671
Are you so autistic you take his point literally?

>>389092718
>Seems to me that you're only seeing a world filled with Marvel movies and Call of Duty.
That's all the industry is at large.

>>389092258
No one has brought up how he feels about Odyssey yet?

He went on a twitter rage about how it's not a 'good' collectathon because of how collecting things in this game works. Oh, and for having 'unwanted' 2D sections.

>>389092879
Then I invite you to join Josh Thomas in his twitter. You'll make great buddies. Tell him I said hi, and that vidyagaems suck.

How is he wrong though?

In a world of forced 50/50 win/loss ratios, cinematic experiences, and games that hold your hand and refuse to punish you for playing poorly this makes sense.

The "Idea" of playing a video game is whats for sale. You're buying an opportunity to be a cool guy and do cool shit, and games know that they're disposable so they make it as easy as possible to do these things (long kill animations, QTEs).

can somebody please remind me why he suddenly got super butthurt over nintendo after devoting his entire life to them

did miyamoto call him a poopyhead or sth

>The "Idea" of playing a video game is whats for sale.
Pls expand on this knowledge

>>389093335
He probably has some integrity and didn't just pretend everything was fine when their quality took a nosedive.

>>389092184
underrated

HOW CAN GAMEPLAY BE REAL IF VIDEOGAMES AREN'T REAL?

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Video games are a meme.

>>389075360
ARMS didn't get the praise it deserved after release. And I was shitting on it hard before I played it. It's not a good example. It's a shitty example of marketing making a game because no game has ever looked so much worse than it played than ARMS.

>>389093335
He got blacklisted for reviewing Woolly World two weeks early.

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>>389093543
>He probably has some integrity
Diaperfags actually believe this
>just pretend everything was fine when their quality took a nosedive.
This is hilarious because you are talking about a faggot that loved sticker star.

Go home diaperfag

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>>389093335
>>389093543

The exact opposite, he tried to constantly start shit with other Youtubers (coincidentally, Youtubers who were much more popular than him), he pissed off the wrong person (pic related, ironically enough Josh now does unboxing videos on his side channel) who had good relations with Nintendo, and Nintendo told him to fuck off and removed him from receiving review copies.

Then he became a baby about it and started hating everything Ninty does. He even admitted to giving games good reviews in the past just so he can keep getting free stuff from them. Sure, some of his arguments are justifiable, but he takes it way overboard.

Everything bad that happened to him was his own fault. He pretty much hates GameXplain with his life because they are much more popular and successful than his channel ever was and will be.

>>389075202
they were real once
in the timeline we all came from

>>389093836
>saying women are a meme grants you that many (you)'s at /mu/
is /mu/ the most normie board?

>>389094030
I couldn't care less about the literal who, I'm just pointing out why anyone rational would flip their shit over something they care.

>>389094114
That was 3 years ago, when you you-memeing shitters weren't around yet.

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>>389094079
>ther was a timeline split
>we live in the timeline were videogames aren't real anymore
>10,000 years in the future there will be a timeline convergence and video games will exist again

>>389094160
You made the mistake of believing he was ever rational

I'm a little sad Josh stopped autistically arguing with people on nintendo fansites, it was funny to watch a grown man get destroyed verbally by people with pikachu avatars.

>>389074972
Who?

>>389074972
>I don't like Arms but other people do so this means that videogames are not actually real and that its just in my mind

So this is the power of being a Sony fanboy......Woah

>>389095703
>it was funny to watch a grown man get destroyed verbally by people with pikachu avatars.
But anon, it was grown men with Pikachu avatars verbally destroying a manchild.

>>389076396
>It's a fighting game that isn't a soulless clone of street fighter

ftfy

>>389093324
Yes, I guess the videogames that existed prior to that bullshit suddenly stop becoming videogames.

>>389090880
He runs a channel exclusively for Nintendo. He is as unbiased as one can be.

Remember that time he got tremendously bootyblasted that Bayonetta got into Smash before an Inkling?

>>389096023
My favorite soulless clone of street fighter is Virtual On

>>389078535
>otaku shit isn't popular
>Japan

You're being dumb

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>>389074972
>mediocre games
>Arms
Now we all know this just is not true

>>389096638
he's all kinds of autismo
watch this >>389084112 and tell me he doesn't look certifiable

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>>389079390
>gay people don't jerk off

>>389074972
Then what is the purpose of this board?!?

>>389097639
what board
oh god where am i
help

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>>389080869
Tell us the story anon, it seems interesting.

>>389093543
>He probably has some integrity

You're a funny man anon

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>>389074972

Imagine being this triggered over video games.

>>389094114
No youre thinking of /soc/ and /b/

>>389098924
Do you think he regularly shitposts here?
Because those posts look awfully familiar.

>>389096689
Virtual On is a party game, no better than a minigame

>>389074972
Oh hey it's Joshy! Come to 4cham to bitch about Gamexplain?

>>389078347
Ports mean I don't have to buy the shit console, I can buy a wiiU for 40 bucks online and not support nintendo and still play the entire switch library

>>389099634
But then you'll be stuck with an inferior console anon

>>389099784
And the inferior versions of the game.

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>>389099324
>tfw Josh is Pokebarneyfag

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>Video games don't exist
Then what the fuck have I been doing all this time?

>>389074972
I hope this fuck dies screaming.

>>389074972

>There is no such thing as video game

New /v/ motto

>>389074972
The second tweet isn't wrong though

>>389093045
What? Last I heard he loved the game. Did he have an aneurysm between now and E3?

>>389101239
He's forever angry at Nintendo because they stopped sending him shit.

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>>389074972
>There is no such thing as a video game.

I wish that was true, I might have ended up doing something with my life.

>>389077563
>1-2 Switch
Are we seriously using overpriced launch shovelware to justify buying a console? It's just fucking Wii Play, why are you defending this?
>>389077751
Knack sold more than 3D World for months. It's a fucking terrible game but that's not the argument.

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>>389101354
>Be very picky about what you consider a "true Nintendo game"
>Shit talk Fire Emblem, Xenoblade, Bayonetta as well as other people partnered with Nintendo
>Surprised when Nintendo doesn't want to give you free shit

>tfw not Josh Thomas

>>389094064
He probably just thought of Lamarr as a liberal and ignored his argument.

>>389097639
What board, anon? Do elaborate. We're in the ether, we've reached Nirvana...

>>389074972
this cuck is right though

>>389101710
Knack was also a pack in in Japan.

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>>389101924
I'm still a loser though.

>he locked his twitter so he won't be bombarded with messages about his shitty opinion

josh thomas is like, the king of hot takes.

>>389106236
is this fake news

>>389106872
I'd believe it from kotaku

>>389074972
What kind of absurdist bullshit is this? kek

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>>389106236
>gamers are terrible people

>>389075360
Yeah he isn't wrong, art direction, graphics, etc can play a bigger role in getting an audience than a "fun game"

>>389082710
>this type of shit beats this other type of shit
PUBG threads beat blacked threads but that's not a fucking reason to allow them dumbfuck

>>389094114
/mu/'s just fucking terrible at being funny.

>>389074972
I swear what is it with ecelebs hate actually playing a game so much, games are meant to be fun before anything else

>>389074972
is this the "fun is just a buzzword" of 2017

put me in the screencap

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>>389074972

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>>389090741
>No such things as video games
>This board isn't real

Are we free? Can we finally leave now

>>389082710
Reddit Unhonked: Streaminggrounds is at least a video game.

This guy is a faggot of the highest degree. It's almost impressive how far he goes. He also has the shittiest taste. It's a shame modeling and animation talent is wasted on this guy.

Is there anyone worse than Josh Thomas?