The Legend of Heroes: Trails in the Sky

it's slow
it's really fucking slow
I wouldn't recommend it to anyone but jrpg fans and people who are okay with 20 hours of filler before actual story.

Its a fairly standard JRPG. If you hate anime don't bother.

>>389064985
It's trash son, might as well play a Final Fantasy, at least you get high budget trash that looks good.

>>389065143
>>389065191
>>389065192
Jesus, then how do I into JRPGs? I don't have any consoles

>>389065441
Emulate any Final Fantasy on SNES or PS1 and/or Chrono Trigger.

>>389065143
Does it actually get good if you really get into it?
I've heard a lot of praise for it and tried to get into it on PSP a while ago but I didn't get very far into it

>>389065737
This. Emulation is your best bet, and Chrono Trigger would be the best start. If you can't into CT, JRPGs probably aren't your thing.

I got this game from the humble monthly, is the game good? The only jrpg I have played and enjoyed is Neptune. I was planning on selling it for dollars on g2a

its not worth the time investment, nothing the series does is actually unique or noteworthy outside of ''worldbuilding''

>>389066081
It's great if you can get into it, with the last chapter and a half or so after everything comes together being fantastic. Would recommend if you want something comfy as shit to play.

if you are a fan of slow burns and world continuity then youll like it,
many side npcs show up hours later and recognize you as the dude who did a favor for them and i always liked that

>>389065441
Play Chrono trigger first and then golden sun 1 and 2

>>389065441
>Jesus, then how do I into JRPGs?
Play SaGa games if you want something a bit more western in terms of design, otherwise Valkyrie Profile or some shit.

>>389064985
>Redpill me on
How about you go fuck yourself instead

>>389066438
>The only jrpg I have played and enjoyed is Neptune
You must have horrifically low standards for JRPGs or just in it to watch cute girls

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>>389064985
It's the entry point to a long spanning series. The gameplay is very reminiscent of classic JRPGs which i don't know if you would like since you've never played one. The storyline and characters are very charming and sucks you in. TITS has 3 games, so the first one is, some would say "slow" but its more of an introduction. Also the music is kickass.

If you want something more modern, then you can play Trails of Cold Steel instead. I've found people liked CS more because it's a more recent game, and then have gone back and played Sky because they want more of the story.

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It's hard to recommend. The gameplay is mediocre, the plot is slow, and it shamelessly uses classic anime tropes at times.

That said, the world itself and the characters within ended up being truly something special to me. The games have an excellent way of making you feel like a simple traveler in a greater story. The 3rd game in the Sky series is also the only game to ever make me cry.

Really that was a weak as fuck explanation but it's really hard to put into words.

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>>389066081
>Does it actually get good
The game's great from the get-go, Trails games excel their really slow, but really expansive and extensive writing, lore, world-building and NPC interactions.
People were telling me it only got good 30 hours when when the story picks up but I found myself enjoying the insane level of detail in the writing only a couple hours in, and it keeps it up the entire game.
I wouldn't really recommend it to non-JRPG fans at all though. Falcom games in general aren't really good starting points for JRPGs, they're generally made for people who already enjoy JRPGs. These games are so slow and filled with text that it can take half an hour to do things that generally take 2-3 minutes in most JRPGs.

>>389066081
>Does it actually get good if you really get into it?

First TitS game is about 30 hours. I'd say it ramps up about 2/3 of the way through and then really hooks you in with the finale. After that you're a Trails fag for life and there's no escape.

I've played TitS 1, 2, 3, and CS 1 and 2 multiple times each.

Trails in the Sky is basically Naruto if Naruto was a girl, wasn't a ninja, and didn't have a monster sealed inside of him.

>>389066081
It's good right away, if you're looking for story hooks it might take a while. But if you want to enjoy a comfy setting with enjoyable characters and attention to detail you'll have a great time even when not much is happening except world building and exposition.

>>389069041
yeah kinda

>>389067394
Both but mostly to watch cute girls in a funny dub.

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>>389064985
>Redpill me on this very recommended game with the most generic title imaginable
ok

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Calvard when?

>>389064985
One of the best RPGs out there. Best world-building you'll ever see in a video game, amazing pacing, great story, great characters, great music. Gameplay is alright, but it's a 2004 game and it kinda shows.

>>389070518
Even for 2004 standards it's extremely outdated, especially for a JRPG developed for PCs.

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>>389064985
It's great but get ready to be held back in number of occasions

>>389070496
By anon, age 26.

>>389064985
COMFY

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>>389070889
correct

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>>389064985
I usually hate the word, but FC is legit the most 'comfy' game I've ever played.

>>389070679
No, it's not. You won't find a lot of pre-2004 RPGs with better gameplay. Lufia II, Grandia, Breath of Fire IV, maybe Gagharv.

>b-but muh graphics!!!!
No one cares.

>>389071029
You'll be like 36 when it gets released, after the inevitable Remiferia-Arteria game.

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>>389071419
>Remiferia
already exists

you're right though, i fully expect to be in wizard territory before Calvard happens
IF it doesn't get nuked in CS3, which it might

>>389069041
Soo...nothing like Naruto then?

>>389071404
>No it's not
Yes it is. Trails in the Sky was extremely out-dated for 2004 standards, it plays and almost looks like a PS1 JRPG.

>better gameplay
Since when did outdated gameplay mean bad gameplay? Trails in the Sky's gameplay and design decisions are literally stuck in the 90s.

Outdated =/= bad.

>TiTS: FC
Mediocre
>TiTS: SC
Decent
>TiTS the 3rd
Good
>Cold Steel 1
Bad
>Zero
Decent

How are the rest?

>>389071841
I liked Sky because it was like something out the 90s. I was fed up of modern JRPGs trying to turn into action cinematic garbage.

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>>389071404
>b-but muh graphics!!!!
who are you quoting

>>389071947
FC: 7/10
SC: 9/10
3rd: 7/10
Zero: 8/10
Ao: 10/10
Sen: 7/10
Sen II: 6/10

>>389071701
I actually have no idea about the plot in Akatsuki, is there a synopsis for it?

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>>389071701
>Gacha
pic related is the only good thing that came out of that

>>389071947

>CS1 bad

I wouldn't say its bad, it's just that it's the "introduction" game like FC only even more introduction-y. CS2 brings everything together.

>>389072040
Pretty low standards. Also
>CS2 lower than CS1
Kill yourself.

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>>389065441
I wouldn't bother getting into RPGs. As a genre they're stale as hell.

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>>389064985
I can't really say anything that everyone else in the thread has already said, but I would like to simply voice my coinciding opinion. One of the only game series out there that totally pulls off its excruciatingly slow pace by giving you the experience of Estelle's semi-slice-of-life personal journey through Liberl (the country it takes place in). Of course, "slice of life" makes it sound like some kind of episodic comedy, which it isn't, but if you were to play it, you'd see what I mean.

One of the few games that, by the end, really makes you root for the characters. I care about every single one very much. Getting to go right from FC to SC to 3rd all in the span of 2 years or so was a real treat. I got to witness the growth of several characters (Estelle especially), the resolution of a fascinating plot (sequelbait notwithstanding), and the building of a fascinating pseudo-post-industrialist 20th-century-spanning world, and the music to come along with it is some of the genre's best.

I feel a legitimate pang in my heart hearing this track: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VvKengpXftE

>>389065441
Chrono Trigger DS.

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>>389072098
http://kiseki.wikia.com/wiki/Akatsuki_no_Kiseki

>>389072115
I like Lif too, otherwise you're more-or-less right

>>389072115
Do bully maid?

>>389072117
>Shitty mix of Persona 4 and Trails in the Sky
>good
Nope. It was trash can tier.

>>389072419
>le coldsteel is persona

cool meme bro. if anything its more like Final Fantasy Type-0.

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>>389071404
>TiTS isn't outdated
This is a console JRPG 4 years before with less than half the budget TiTS had

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>>389072560
I want to live in Queens

>>389072560
oh cool they had PS2 emulators in 2001?

>>389072498
Both are shit games with cliche archetypes and mediocre gameplay and terrible "Social Links"

Type-0 is actually good.

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>>389072560
>posting my first waifu

>>389072272
I just completed it earlier today. It was pretty good but man, I wouldn't have even gotten halfway through if it wasn't for turbo mode. Without it, I wouldn't have had the patience for all those combat animations to play out in every single damn fight.

The finale dungeon music was amazing though. How much better is SC?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaMkiLPa-NA

>>389072851
Fucked the link up

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LaMkiLPa-NA

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>>389072851
I played all the Sky games without turbo mode. Kids these days....

>>389072986
You have amazing patience then. If it helps, I did talk to as many people as many times as I can in the towns and did the side quests.

>>389072851
The gameplay is 100% better. But it also turns the anime way up if you have a problem with that sort of thing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=atEev7hh9Lg

>>389072272
>One of the few games that, by the end, really makes you root for the characters. I care about every single one very much
I finished all the games and the only character I gave half a shit about was Estelle. Didn't gave a damn about James Bond priest or Nothing personnel Joshua or "wow I got raped, feel sorry for me" Renne.

>>389072851
>The finale dungeon music was amazing though. How much better is SC?
SC's final dungeon has a bunch of various themes because it's technically a whole chapter.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sta_Lb5sx64
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=360l1Jg5Kko
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImEjyhUXzKM

>>389066262
>>389065737
>CT
>anything besides dated trash
Spot the parrots.

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>>389072851
>How much better is SC
I say it's hit-or-miss, but if it hits, boy howdy does it hit like a fucking truck. I only recall the people that didn't like it on average saying it was about a point out of 10 lower than FC, but if you do like it, it easily tops FC by at least 2.

The moments that are meant to be emotionally poignant in SC are very touching, and I won't spoil them of course, but, all I can really say is that I envy you.

>>389073115
Well you have a very hard heart, then.

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>>389073163
Floating cities are such a fucking cliche but god damn I loved Liber Ark desu

>this entire cutscene
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p0PErBxOVB4

>>389073250
Who are you quoting?

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I've been enjoying the game a lot but I've hit a ridiculous roadblock with this fight at the start of chapter 3. Is there some strategy to it that I'm missing? The best I've managed to do in about 10 tries is kill one wolf before Dorothy dies.

I just don't know how this fight is mathematically possible since they do about 200 damage per attack and I've only got 2 turns for every 6 of theirs. I might need better gear but the game won't let me go back to Zeiss.

>>389073107
That's not a problem. Do I get to choose who I bring with me this time in my party like in the final dungeon of TiTS? It sort of annoyed me how the whole game felt like a prologue to a much bigger plot but I've gotten used to the slow pace now.

>>389073163
That's gonna be sweet

>>389073309
I look forward to playing it in a couple days then. I don't give two shits about Joshua but that twist with the defenceless archaeologist being behind everything that happened got me good.

>>389071404
>You won't find a lot of pre-2004 RPGs with better gameplay.
There are SNES RPGs with better gameplay than anything in the whole Kiseki series, don't kid yourself

>>389073163
>Axis pillar music
My goddamn dick
God knows how long I spent there but I never got tired of that tune.

>>389073591
Use your buffs and/or abuse Aerial.

Also if I'm not mistaken I believe you can also heal/Earth Wall NPCs in battle.

>>389073709
>I don't give two shits about Joshua
My opinion was that, and my opinion changed.

>>389073591
Grind till Joshua learns Blank Fang S-Craft (its level 22 iirc) then hit them all with a 200 CP S-Craft.

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>>389073717
>389073717

>>389073709
>Do I get to choose who I bring with me this time in my party like in the final dungeon of TiTS?
You don't get complete freedom until the last 3rd or so of the game. It's typically Estelle + Plot relevant character + 2 of your choice.

>>389073401
>this cutscene too
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jbNQtScEHms

>>389073846
Oh shit well in that case, I'll look forward to finding his ass. What worried me from the first game was the fact he was brainwashed to be a spy and report on Estelle and Cassius.

I'll get to Cold Steel eventually after the Sky series but just to confirm, is Cold Steel set in the Erebonium Empire? They're the militaristic nation from what I know.

>>389074220
That's fine by me. Even just the freedom to change one or two members out is welcome.

>>389073591
I assume you're playing on a lower difficulty since you didn't learn your lesson in chapter 2. Action denial is the name of the game. Joshua should be Flickering multiple enemies every turn.

>>389074349
yep Cold Steel is set in Erebonia.

>>389074153
Nice argument, doesn't change the fact that Trals has less mechanical complexity than stuff like Romancing SaGa 3, nor does it have good exploration as Metal Max 2 or Returns.
If you want to talk about PS or PS2 games then it's a slaughter, Kiseki is a story driven series, on the mechanical side it has always been Falcom most mediocre RPG series.

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>>389074561
That's awesome then. Love it when a series shows both sides of a story.

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>>389074745
I always argue this too but get shitposted by fanboys who think Trails is literally perfect desu

Trails has average to downright boring gameplay but delivers with some of the best stories and quality writing in JRPGs and that's what makes it great.

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>>389075101
I rarely see anyone actually arguing for Trails' gameplay (except maybe Ao's).

>>389064985
It's a game where the enjoyment comes from talking to every single NPC dozens of times. As a result, you get really attached to the characters and world.
Personally, I really liked the down-to-earth plot from FC over the more over-the-top story in SC, but most people find the latter boring. Regardless of the experience, by the end of SC and the 3rd, people will be so incredibly attached to the characters and setting that they can't help but to want more.

>>389074745
>>389075101
>story-driven series
>best stories
>quality writing

Every single game uses the cliche "I was just holding back" shit dozens of times and several games into the series we still don't know jack shit about what the main plot is or what the motivations and goals of the actually important and powerful characters are.

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>>389075247
I think the actual systems in place are great, but what makes the gameplay suffer is how repetitive and non-engaging, and easy 90% of the fights really are.

You never really have "fun" with the gameplay until the last few bosses slap you silly and you actually have to pay attention and it actually becomes fun.

I hope CS3 has challenging bosses desu, I was so disappointed when I two-shotted the Crimson Calamity/Vermillion Apocalypse with Rean and Laura's S-Crafts.

>>389065441
Yeah listen to the Chrono Trigger suggestions, it's a very good entry in JRPGS. I can tell you right now as someone who's played all the released Trails games except Ao they aren't for everyone and they are a very bad starting point for JRPGs just because of how slow things are to pick up.

>>389075101
>but delivers with some of the best stories and quality writing in JRPGs and that's what makes it great.
No, they are the most cliched and telegraphed turd imaginable, the characters are all bland, walking stereotypes that repeat the same tired stereotyped scenes over and over again, it's longwinded gutter trash.
And the "worldbuilding" is even worse than that, it's like some faggot with no talents thinks he can be the next Dostojevski just because he can write the most boring, longwinded garbage possible and divide it on multiple games to create an "EPIC" saga.

@389075908
No (You) for you.

>>389076121
You sure showed me bro, enjoy your umpteenth onsen scene with generic tsundere waifus.

>>389076430
The only tsundere in the party is Agate though.

>>389076514
Desu as it stands there are more male tsunderes in Kiseki than female tsunderes, which is funny considering male tsunderes are a lot rarer.

>>389064985
Mediocre jrpg, but somewhat standout because there are only few good jrpg in the latest decade.

>>389064985
I actually have this in my steam library but haven't played it.

I mostly got it I think because it was heavily discounted and I thought the girl was qtaf and it was said to be a good game.

My main question: Would the girl make me feel cucked with the protagonist or is it easy to self insert as him?

>>389071751
Dumb, energetic protagonist with a famous father travels around the countryside doing missions with her edgelord boyfriend and white haired mentor. She values friendship highly and will attempt to talk to villains rather than fight them with mixed results. She spends much of the 2nd arc chasing her edgelord boyfriend who is off on a quest to fight his brother figure for revenge. Ouroboros is literally Akatsuki.

>>389077145
She is the protagonist

You are the girl

>>389077145
The girl is the protagonist

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>>389077145
The girl IS the protagonist. The boy's a party member.

>>389077242
>>389077251
>>389077265
into the trash this sjw shit goes

>>389077145
You most likely won't be able to self insert as Joshua.

>>389077145
>Self insert
Fuck yourself. This isn't your pathetic harem LNs with bland beta protagonists. If you want that shit go play Cold Steel.

>>389077370
Hahahahaha

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>>389077491
>Rean
>bland
>beta
???

>self-inserting as the most complex and emotionally varied (albeit most poorly written and most unlikable) protagonist in the entire series
???

If he wanted a pathetic harem LN he'd go read a shitty visual novel or play a shitty dating sim.

>>389077885
Did we play the same game? Literally the only time Rean has any character at all is when Patrick shows up to hit on his sister.

>>389077228

Vague statements that could apply to anything.

>>389077885
rean is just a male kloe with a demon inside of him

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Kevin > Estelle > Rean > Lloyd

Joshua is an edgelord who pretends to be a good person. His conversation with Kevin in 3rd is one of my favorite moments in the series

>Kevin in a slump tries to act like an asshole edgelord to Joshua
>"Heh, I used your girlfriend as bait for Ouroboros"
>Joshua just straight up acknowledges that and says "Yeah and it actually worked out pretty well. Wanna hang for a while?"

Made me laugh.

>>389079017
Kevin in 1st and Estelle in 2nd and you are my nigga. The other 2 can fight each other for 3rd who cares.

>>389075101
>some of the best stories and quality writing
You lost me there. Trails is a very average, run of the mill JRPG.

>>389079507
Did you play more than just FC?

>>389079036
I mean, you say that as if Joshua isn't a good person. He's both an edgelord and a pretty decent human being.

Kevin's whole character in 3rd did a rollercoaster for me, though. Began good, dropped off a bit in the middle, but towards the end I felt for the guy.
I love the fact that those kinds of characters in Trails get thematic S-crafts that heavily signify their character development.

>SC; Joshua's Phantom Raid
>Symbol of Ouroboros shattering in the background; he's done running and says as much

>3rd; Kevin's Spear of Ur
>Literally a stronger, purified, holy version of his earlier maximum-edge S-craft
>All his intonation in all of his battle call-outs from then on change to be more serious

>>389079904
I played all 3 games. Is still a very average series.

>>389079958
Is Joshua a good person? He straight up says that he doesn't really feel empathy and that he only helps people because Estelle and his bracer job tell him to. Maybe he is now, but he definitely wasn't a good person in FC/SC. I can see him changing with Estelle constantly on his ass.

Also, I loved the shit out of that too. Playing as Kevin and suddenly hearing his lines change was an 'oh shit' moment. Nice attention to detail.

>>389079507
Don't bother, there's no reasoning with Kisekifags.
They think that the amount of words in a script equals quality in terms of writing, or that walls of texts from NPCs or cutscenes are top tier storytelling and worldbuilding.

>>389079507
It really isn't anything special. I don't understand where the ''top tier writing'' meme comes from. Certainly not any of the localized games.

>>389079958
I'd like to think Kevin's development in 3rd shows when in the beginning of Aohe saves demonized Ernest. If this was pre-3rd he wouldve murdered him without hesitation

>>389064985
>the most generic title imaginable

I personally like that the title isn't edgy or incomprehensible nonsense.

>>389081168
>I personally like that the title isn't edgy
>Trails of Cold Steel
>Not edgy

>>389080220
>he doesn't really feel empathy
Not his fault, at any rate. Weissman mindfucked him and, in his own words, his prediction at the end of SC was that Weissman would try to force him to "do the one thing he feared the most."

He felt love; thus he felt that it would be best to disappear from Estelle's life forever so as not to harm her. HIs feelings were just suppressed. I mean, call that scene in the middle of SC what you will, but the fact that he could recognize Estelle's ability to take care of herself and her willing, adult choice to still want to be a part of his world signifies at least some kind of maturity that he's been developing, going from, "edgy, single-track-minded assassin" to "levelheaded, just-natured secret-edgelord getting purified daily by psychopath-melting tomboy hugs"

>>389081905
You bring up some good points, though there is something to say that almost all that you said was in relation to Estelle. I think Joshua makes a special case with her.

That said, you're also right that a lot of that has to do with Weismann. At this point in the story (CS3, 5 years after SC) he's probably over it and a pretty good guy. Though maybe he just got mindfucked by Estelle to be like that? Poor Joshua (more like lucky).

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>>389080220
>>389081905
>>389082238
>you will never be slowly reverse-mindfucked by a loving tomboy gf as you travel a quaint modern-fantasy world and probably sleep together in the same bed every night.

Joshua doesn't know how good he's got it.

>>389082782
Nah he knows, but you can't really go out and tell people "Yeah this is my sister, but we also fuck occasionally."

>>389082984
>Play 3rd
>They're for sure fucking by this point
>Right after the fight versus Loewe Joshua and Estelle are sitting by the fountain, Joshua looking content
>"Hey you can't just get over it that fast, you're supposed to use me as support! That's one of the perks of having a big sister!"

What the fuck. Those kids... that's kinky.

>>389082984
>but you can't really go out and tell people "Yeah this is my sister, but we also fuck occasionally."

He does exactly that in Zero.

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>>389083406
Funny how she calls herself the older one when she's actually younger

>>389083730
She was in the house first; she's the big sister.

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Is Cold Steel 2 worth playing if I didn't care all that much for the first one. I liked the Sky games, but Cold Steel felt really bland by comparison. It was way too easy even on the highest difficulty and I never gave a shit about any of the cast.

>>389064985
it's boring and linear

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what i like about the first game is that everything is connected, it is one fitting world that you can later on walk through from beginning to the starting point again. helped make the world feel bigger than it really is (quite tiny). in cold steel shit feels like a realized world, but i guess the story would have been completely different because erebonia is gigantic and it wouldn't have been as easy to create one connected world

>>389065441
>Never owned consoles

How is that even possible? Jesus.

>>389085141
*in cold steel it feels like a less well realized

>>389084874
Depends on what you didn't like about the first one. The cast gets a bit better I'd say but they don't really change too drastically unless you're Emma, you get introduced to some new characters like Debully and ALL OF ME, and the more interesting characters do get more moment in the sun. The overall shift to a "warfront" setting is pretty neat if you like that. If you want more mechs then CS2 has that going for it. I'd say the writing is a bit weaker but makes up for it near the end unless you really don't like that shit. If you could stomach through CS1 you could probably get through CS2 as well.

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