Do you think turning speed should be capped?

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>>389058768
>pc vs console

>>389058768
no why should it be

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>>389059218
>>389058768
I did this on a console. Nearly 6 kills in 20 seconds. Tell me again about how PC > Console

>>389059306
Realism

>>389059332
pc vs console

>>389058768
No, we should allow keyboard and mouse on consoles.

>>389059332
> barely aims at anything, just moves his character with the movement shtick
> all enemies stand in 1 spot basically

>>389059405
yeah that went oit the door as soon as people said scifi

>>389058768
Capping speeds with a mouse makes it feel fucking awful.

The best way to deal with this is to only turn the player's 3rd person model once they've stopped moving the camera for a very short amount of time. (~100 milliseconds)

>>389059405
>Let's make the gameplay actively worse because it doesn't look good

>>389059332
>first guy standing completely still
>doesn't even headshot him

some one post the bastion that turns to slow to kill the winston webm

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>>389059332
I cry everytime.

>>389059332
You can only do this because your fellow console plebeians are too shit to properly shoot back.

Hint: It's because they play a shooter with a controller

>>389059332
I can't tell if this is trolling or you just have autism but most of the enemies were standing still and also playing on console and didnt need any twitch aim at all.

KYS console cuckold

>>389058768
You aren't going to git gud playing with a retarded sensitivity like that. Destiny isn't even a twitch shooter to begin with so this is a retarded thread

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>>389059332
I know what you mean. This is me in pc. It's impossible to hit anything without a controller.

>>389059332
lmao

>>389059506
>>389059771
Battlefield 1 isn't the same kind of shooter as Unreal, anons. Occasionally teams will try and hold positions which requires them to stand still.

>>389060006
That's fine but it doesnt change the fact that the captured footage is pretty unimpressive.

>>389059332
You didn't even play that well? What are you trying to prove here lol

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>>389059332
holy fucken shit bro u are GOOOD

XDD

>>389059405
There's nothing "realistic" about that guy on the right waddling so slowly in a circle. That's not even close to the top speed someone could spin.
While the guy on the left is spazzing out, that sort of rotation speed is comparatively closer to how quickly someone doing a quick 180° turn to look behind them is capable of.

>>389060136
I'm pretty impressed by it. Why don't you like my clip anon? Where's your clip if you're so cool?

>>389060097
holy fuck im dying

>>389060206
>There's nothing "realistic" about that guy on the right
Where did I say it was?

>>389058768
Playing on console takes more skill

>>389059716
>>389059738
>>389059739
>>389059982
>>389060151
>>389060159
You guys are pretty fucking rude. I was really proud of that play.

>>389059332
nice bro

>>389059332

>console players

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bldurZC0OdI

skip to 25 sec

>>389060430
it's ok anon I thought it was nice

>>389060006
Doesn't change the fact that killing a bunch of enemies standing still from a vantage point is nothing to brag about and any person who thinks it is , is clearly underage.

>>389060549
lol this happens on pc all the time

>>389060430
It's a nice play, but it doesn't prove anything regards PC vs Consoles

>>389060549

And for the record, this is on console with a XIM, but the point I'm making is that console players are oblivious. Even my teammates who ended up killing me.

>>389059506
>moving the character rather than the weapon is somehow not aiming

Real life shooting is far more about body control rather than pointing crossbars at a target, Anon.

>>389060576
I'm not bragging at all, just showing you how you can still play with a controller. I mostly use a mouse and prefer it, but controller is totally viable. Why not both?

>>389060430
that just means you aren't always operating like that.

make that your norm, bro. nobody here will appreciate little moments. it's skill that matters.

>>389060776
sounds like someone whose never been hunting and only played paintball

>>389060224
lol mate im not trying to make you feel bad about it but honestly it was pretty run of the mill. It's a decent sequence of play and all that but using it as an example as to why console competes with PC for FPS is pretty laughable, which is why everybody is laughing. Also I think you'll find that's it is precisely not having clips that makes me so cool. But godspeed in your WW! escapades anon.

>>389059605
Another way of doing it for pure autismo realism is to have the reticule be detached from the view of the player and it has to catch up to the center of the screen. The acceleration and the speed cap can be both pretty high so that normal aiming is basically unaffected, but if someone whips around 180 they'll notice that it takes a half second for the character to catch up. I'm sure some games that advertise control realism have done it before, but I can't think of any off the top of my head.

The rest would be deciding how high this cap should really be and whether cap of the two platforms should be exactly the same or allowed to diverge.

>>389060885
More like someone who scored a 39/40 in basic training with a beat ass M16a2 using only irons.

>>389061318
you didn't kill anything in basic training and if you seriously believe you are walking to aim then you are clinically retarded so the army is just where you need to be

>>389059332
absolutely amazing bait

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>>389059658
>tfw this is the reasoning devs use move away from quake style controls to pubg style molasses-movement simulators

>>389058768
>>389060549
>>389060764

Also, this applies to the thread topic as well. XIM basically simulates what it would feel like with capped turn speed on a mouse. What it does is fuck up the 1:1 ratio if movement of your aim on screen and a your hand. If you look at the video and pay attention to when I 180, it was really awkward because you have to change your hand speed. It artifically lowers your reaction time and as wrist player who's used to flicking it was killing me.

>>389060801
It dont feel good.

>>389061414
He said body control, not movement. Which is correct in the sense that you should generally be aiming by moving the torso like a turret rather than moving the arms, though the latter is there for more precise adjustments. And since you might be moving your torso a lot that can lead to leg adjustments just to stay on balance. To a small degree, console strafe aiming isn't completely wrong.

>>389061670
>To a small degree, console strafe aiming isn't completely wrong.
That's a fucking retarded stretch and you know it

>>389059405
Realism is supposed to make the game more fun. If it makes it less fun, you ignore realism.
There's a reason most shooters don't have you load individual bullets into a magazine before each match starts.

>>389061414
You clearly know shit about shooting, because your body posture plays so much more into actually hitting targets ( and being able to get back on target) than simply lining up a shot.

But please, keep telling us how great of a shooter you are because you can line up weightless 180 degree headshots on PC lime it is realistic in any practical capacity in real gunfights.

Consoles mimic actual gun fights better than most PC titles when you look at how players move about when aiming. You can say realism =/= and that is totally valid, but don't spout bullshit on top of it.

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>>389061492
not really quake fucking sucks deathmatching gets boring after 5mins ur genre is shit get over it

>>389061670
>someone points out console player is using movement stick instead of aim stick to aim
>retarded army grunt thinks body control for aiming and movement(walking) are the same thing

>all of these console kids thinking they can hold a candle to a keyboard in any FPS
>Valve gives them CSGO and it bombs because it's not CoD
>Id gave them Quake 3 on Dreamcast with the chance for PC players to hop on and Dreamcasters become Dreamwasted
There is a reason why companies won't let the average PC player walk over to their platform and devistate their top players using a mere mouse and keyboard.

>>389061986

I mean, given the example is Destiny - a sci-fi shooter - realism should automatically be considered a troll response.

>>389061990
body posture =/= actual movement you retard. Please read >>389059506 carefully and then follow the chain of replies

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>>389062042
>your genre is shit
>posts a warfarm meme

lmaoing at your life.

>>389062045
Army literally drills shooter's to side strafe when breaching buildings. They have entire PRT exercises to condition soldiers to do exactly what is shown on that Anons video.

>>389062264
>breaching buildings is the same as shooting through a window
(You)

>>389062042
Quake's movement system is hands down the best system for the FPS genre. Traversing a 3D virtual environment is not the same thing as walking in real life, and attempts to make it more "realistic" only serve to make the controls feel like a lag-fest.

>>389062160
Sustaining body poster is how you shoot effectively, Anon, and as I to the entire point as to why ppl are saying consoles simulate aiming more accurately as a result of having limited turn speeds.

So yes, body poster is based entirely around movement. You obviously don't jog as a hobby either if you think otherwise.

>>389059332
>watches a grenade come down the hall
>no reaction

>>389062401
Autistically waving your mouse back and forth (and pressing spacebar) to go faster is not "fun" for anyone who is not an autist.

>>389062562
I knew it wasn't going to kill me. And we needed to push on C

>>389062717
Actually it is fun, because it adds a huge level of depth. It's essentially a game within a game, where movement is something you can actually be good or bad at, rather than just for going from A to B

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>>389060430
goml kid

>>389058768
No, empower the player in every way possible.

Capping turn speed would be frustrating and would only serve to handicap half the community

>>389062849
>acktually

>>389062717
>I'm bad at video games

>>389062849
Or they can give everyone the ability to move fast on a simpler control scheme and create other game mechanics which have a greater focus on ::thinking:: rather than rote repetition skill.

Tribes had that once. RIP Tribes franchise.

>>389059332
PC > console

>>389062889
how do people get in matches where this is actually allowed to happen, instead of getting killed after 5 seconds? is that on console?

>>389062849
>huge level of depth
>a large part of it can be replaced by a script

>>389062717
Do you prefer your FPS games to feel like wheel-chairing through molasses on the moon? You do realize that much of what makes many of these badly implemented movement systems the way they are is actually the result of incompetence, not intentional design?(See PUBG)

>>389063061
It's really not that hard to just learn strafe jumping. If someone just started playing a tribes game they'd arguably have to learn more shit than with Quake

>>389063194
on xbox and use a shotgun, shotguns in battlefield 1 shot pretty much so they are great for big kill feeds. and i snuck behind their whole team and when to town,

>>389063248
>Do you prefer your FPS games to feel like wheel-chairing through molasses on the moon?
That particular conversation is about Q3's very particular high level movement actions (I assume Q3, can't really be Q1 or Q2 can it?), not about mouse versus stick.

I'm sure you're competent at game design anon, no need to remind us that all the developers are just dumb.

>>389060097
this is some charlie chaplin shit

>>389063061
>simpler control scheme
There is literally nothing simpler than: Left, Right, Up, Down, Jump. Bunny-hopping isn't even necessary, just a system that respects the player's intentions.

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>>389059332
>Thinking this is impressive
>Thinking webm related isn't the norm

>>389063361
>If someone just started playing a tribes game they'd arguably have to learn more shit than with Quake
Which is precisely my point. They have to learn more and they will probably have a lot more fun at it because it doesn't revolve around practicing strafe bunnyhopping as a core skill before they learn other advanced strategies. To go fast you just need to slide down a steep hill and make sure you don't land on the wrong side of the next one. Going fast is already step 1 of fun.

Easy to learn, hard to master. I think that philosophy has got it right.

>>389063549
i mean everybody in a 20 meter distance acting like an NPC with zero awareness

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>>389062717
>Autistically waving your mouse back and forth (and pressing spacebar) to go faster is not "fun" for anyone who is not an autist.

ADHD retards like you should love strafejumping though. It's essentially just a thing you can do to get back into the battle a lot quicker when you die.
It's just adding a little skill based minigame to something that would otherwise be a boring part

>>389062717
Quake autists are even worse than Brood War fans.

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>>389059332
OMG I remember playing FPS on a console years ago. Wow, such shit. Thanks for the trip down memory lane anon.

>>389062717
>going fast isn't fun
hola reddit

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>>389059332
>takes five seconds to line a headshot on a guy who isn't moving
>barely hits second guy after 2 seconds
>gets a few hits in by using movement rather than actual aim.
>weebm is shit quality too

Either this is the toppest quality bait of all time or you have brain damage after playing so much console fps.

>>389064084
Quake fanboys are the worst because they can't admit Tribes is the better game.

>>389062889
>870 in corridor level
It's like you like winning or something

>>389063936
Or 64 players on a map designed for half that at best.

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>>389059332

>crippled guy thinks he is something because he can beat other crippled guys

Try to play on a PC using a joypad, anon. And see if you can kill at least one person.

>>389060382
yeah cause it's like swimming through molasses with your legs tied together

>>389064224
>Was checking out the first dude who was glitching the fuck out
>Kills second guy after 2 seconds
>Get 4 KILLS IN 2 SHOTS with precision accuracy
>"b-but muh pixels!"

>>389064302
to be fair anyone could get a lucky kill here and there

>>389059405
The correct way to do realistic turning is to let the player's view turn, but their weapon (or maybe even inertia) will lag behind. Flat out capping the speed at which you can turn is fucking retarded and makes games unresponsive.

>>389063563
>That particular conversation is about Q3's very particular high level movement actions (I assume Q3, can't really be Q1 or Q2 can it?), not about mouse versus stick.
Yeah, this conversation is kind of a sub-conversation that everyone else is having. But to answer your question, things don't need to feel like Q3, they just need to be competently implemented like Q3.(Counter-strike as an example of a good movement system) They don't need to be fast movement systems, they just need to acurately and quickly reflect the intention of the player.

Most movement systems today act as if you're asking a puppet to perform movement for you, rather than letting you just directly control the movement.

>no need to remind us that all the developers are just dumb.
Many developers are staggeringly bad at what they do. The PUBG developers have been trying to implement a vaulting mechanic for about 6 months -- but it's too damn hard for them, so they may just give up. Why couldn't they just fix their jumping mechanic? Why couldn't they make their movement system a little more streamlined?

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>>389060382
I agree. It's almost impossible.

>>389063936
Literally any fps multiplayer game

>>389064391
>corridor
>precision accuracy
>earlier grenade probably wounded them severely

>>389064302
I play on a PC with a mouse you moron. And I fucking suck

>>389064397
only if you're playing cunter shit

>>389064532
yeah now take your kb+m and plug it into a ps4 cause overwatch lets you play with kb+m on ps4 and see how good you do

>>389058768
No, with capped turning speeds you get a garbage feel to gameplay, like in dota.

Esp. for shooters, restricting the player's ability to turn and aim is jarring.

>>389064525
>Idk what you mean by corridor
>Yeah, it was precision accuracy. Couldn't see them through the smoke so I inferred their position and still got 4 kills
>My well played grenade wounded my enemies

wow

>>389064628
naw in almost any game you could spray and pray and end up with a lucky kill

>>389064719
>console players thinking they're smarter than they really are

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FPSs are fun

>>389064882
I play on PC and admit I'm a dumbass, you dumbass

>>389062889
good thing you had that flag on the side of your gun i didnt know what side you were on

>>389059506
What's wrong with using the left stick to line up your shots? It's literally the only thing that's better about using a gamepad over KB + mouse. Can you really fault players for taking advantage of it?

>>389064903
This. Titanfall runs on the source engine, which came from the Quake engine.

>>389059332
goddamn you're an idiot

I havent owned a console since n64 but I really want to give up PC gaming (not going to because of certain games, money, and i like to alt tab and watch porn on demand). Theres so much annoying shit on PC. The cheats, the imbalanced specs, people putting dots on their monitors, people turning up gamma/brightness, and all sorts of little shit. For instance, i bet on console Mountain Blade wasnt ruined by faggots with 30000 mouse sensitivity swinging at your toes in multiplayer matches. Or if Arma were on there everyone would be on equal footing instead of some guy turning his gamma up to max so he has perma night vision.

People also make a big deal about controllers but they really aren't that bad when you git gud with them. Yes yes I know it will never compete to the accuracy and ease of a mouse, but I would play many FPS games on my PC with an xbox360 controller and do well. Id manage top 5 many times in Butterfield 4 with my controller on PC and kept up in other games. Also got shit on, but sometimes i get shit on while i use a mouse too as does everyone else. Its just way more chill. I need some money, I want a PS4.

>>389065080
And the source engine is the best engine for movement and gunplay.

>>389059332
that aimhelp which almost every console shooter has because shooters are slow on console.

>>389065370
There's no aim assist in my webm

>>389065240
I've kind of had the same mindset, but I can't stand the inconsistent frame rates on consoles. Graphics don't bother me as much, but a lot of shit can't even hold a stable 30 let alone 60.

>>389059332
why has no one noticed that the gun he is using (m1903 infantry) isn't even in the game

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>>389065284
i wish valve made games

No, the problem is these garbage games are designed for gamepads and basically play themselves rather than giving the player complete control
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL1_ht1EdAU
>muh console peasants will never be able to compete
this guy would shit all over you retards
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwcOP8CVR5I
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zffq-1G_x_E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qdbh8ggQti8

>>389063194
It's Battlefield. Have you never played Metro with 64 players? Getting behind the enemy and killing a bunch of them was fun as fuck.

>>389063772
this cant be real
this is a custom game where this was planned, right?

>>389065540

That doesnt bother me much cause I'm used to shit frames. Almost all my PCs were hand me downs and for many years I'd play the original CS betas with 10-50 constantly fluctuating fps. Also lots of other games with shittacular fps.

>>389065240
but you can adjust the settings on your TV too to be super bright?

>>389063946
>just a thing you can do to get back into the battle a lot quicker when you die
Then why not just make a mechanic that makes that happen? In higher levels, it just adds a chore you have to do all the time.

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SERPENTINE

>>389065559
You can use infantry versions of some rifles on the "Back to Basics" custom gametype. Is pretty fun.

>>389065776

ya, people can cheat too, but its way less than PC. Some little kid will get slapped in the face if he puts a dot on his TV or fucks with his dads settings.

>>389058768
It feels like ass in most games when capped, but some games pull it off. There are a few games where turning speed is a stat that can be increased and they make good use of it as a mechanic. There might be a few other games where turning is very, very slow. Maybe some horror game with a paraplegic protagonist.

>>389064438
Here is PUBG's climing and vaulting trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fezKaCu9_JY

Yes, THEY IMPLEMENTED TWO NEW JUMPING MECHANISMS because jumping is broken, rather than simply fixing jumping.
>oh, players can't jump on boxes without severe difficulty
>lets make two new jumping fuctions in addition to the regular jump

>>389065812
that almost makes overwatch look fun

>>389058768
No, and I use a controller more than a kbm because i like the feeling of motion. Most pc players I encouter often overcompensate aim anyway so I don't see why it matters.

>>389066001
jumping out of windows will be great

>>389065935
>Maybe some horror game with a paraplegic protagonist.
Would you control each wheel of the wheelchair by rotating the analog sticks?

>>389066001

Thats fucking awesome.

>>389065701
This was recorded before custom games

>>389066001
that looks good though

only thing i'd be concerned about is if they did the one button for all actions thing and the game was bad at figuring out what you wanted

>>389066123
That could be a good gimmick.

>>389059332
Theres a reason no one ever complains that the special olympics are unfair even though everyone there is disabled you know

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UL1_ht1EdAU
>If we do our job well, the player will FEEL like a badass!

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>>389060430

>>389066114
>>389066145
You can already jump out of windows using the jump button, it's just hard to do.(Because PUBG's movement system is terrible)

>>389066291
>only thing i'd be concerned about is if they did the one button for all actions thing and the game was bad at figuring out what you wanted
I agree, which is why to a large degree I'm a proponent of extremely simple, well implemented movement systems. If PUBG's jumping mechanic was properly implemented to begin with, we wouldn't need these extra mechanics.
(literally 3 jump functions, when one should do the job)

>>389066549
this seems like it would be extremely unfun if you aren't good

>>389064903
Titanfall looks cool, if you ignore all the titan shit.

>>389062889
>870 on operation locker
Jesus how the fuck is there any fun in this

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>>389066749
we'll have to agree to disagree

>>389066643
bad people who play with each other just run around a lot spamming attacks before anything happens, it's tedious

>>389066643
I would recommend spending some time learning this style of movement. When you become good at it, you can feel the environment as you move around. With this much control, it's like gaining the ability to see color, or an extra sense you wouldn't otherwise have.

>>389066749
the moba creeps look worse. too bad, seems like a decent game at the core

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>>389059332
>Battlefield is now CoD tier
jesus christ

>>389066909
is that Pharah's ult except it actually wrecks shit?

>>389066909
>slows down the gameplay by introducing high damage bullet sponges who force pilots to avoid them or whittle them down slowly
>cool

Thank god I didn't fell for the Titanfall meme.

>>389067220
>now
It always has been.

>>389061318
>39/40 in basic training
at like what? 150-200m? lmao

we had to qual standing up in -30 winter

>>389066123
>Rolling the joysticks slowly forward and uncover some spooker
>Start backing up franticly trying to get the fuck out
>It keeps coming as you spin the joysticks like a madman
>Break controller as it closes in, doing whatever stupid kill animation it does
A cripple simulator might be the most immersive console experience.

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>>389067279
basically, also you're not locked to one place in space.

>>389067345
take them down with your own titan, or rodeo them as a pilot. Or you use your anti titan weapons.

>>389067345
titans are easy as shit to kill though.

>>389067463
>succumbing to physical exhaustion after wrecking your thumbs trying to escape from a baddie
i want this game now

>>389059332
you have to be 18 to post kid

>>389067542
>take them down with your own titan
This just prove they provide nothing of value to the sandbox, just like Battlefield's fighter jets.

>>389067279
leave

>>389067813
you've got options son

Titanfall 2 is a blessing from the sky, and we mortals turned our backs to it. SHAME

>>389059332
>I got the gold medal in the special olympics

>>389067984

TF1 is better

>>389067813
battlefield's fighter jets, and vehicles in general, would be ok if they didn't have so many get out of jail free cards and were easier to kill. instead they're sacks of hp with ridiculous garbage like active protection in 4

>>389067945
And the most effective one is using your own damn titan. Removing them from the equation would provide a net bonus.

Why the fuck am I arguing though? I won't buy an other shitty game from EA or from ex Infinity Ward devs, so what am I even arguing for?

>>389065812
im fucking dying

>>389066795
gettin 200 kills a game maybe?

>>389065812
>looks like he lost Lucio
>turns around
>he's decending with his ult
make me laugh everytime

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>>389068217
play one of the non titan game modes? I don't even know why you're replying if you have neither interest in the game, nor knowledge of its gameplay.

>>389065812
>not linking the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UWOovefpyq4

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speed.

>>389068598

That weapon is such mega bullshit. It made me rage so hard during a free weekend that it made me decide not to buy the game. I mean it literally negates all skill while going sonic speed. Even the smart pistol isnt as bullshitty as it requires time to aimbot someone.

>>389060097
my fucking sides