defend this right now

>>389044170
You mean like how Xbox one, PS3 and PS4 games need installs to experience the whole game? If you can buy a 1TB hard drive for those consoles, you can get a 128gb microsd card for the switch and whatever else that need it.

>>389044170
Fail to see the issue, everyone has one SD card lying around to be honest. Worse comes to worse they're not expensive to buy and can be re-used for phone, camera and so forth if you don't want to use it for your Switch again.

Vastly different from buying those piece of crap Vita card. I still have my 64GB collecting dust and cannot use it for anything else other than a dead console.

So yeah it's ok when Nintendo does when they do it right. The same way I've decommissioned my 3DS SD Cards, they're back for my SLR.

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>sell you an underpowered console by design
>sell you the means to make the console less underpowered

>>389044417
You don't need to buy additional hardware to download a single game for any of the consoles you named.

>>389044170
Literally the modern N64 Expansion Pak

>>389044417
>>389044448
OK WHEN NINTENDO DOES IT

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>>389044170
PS3 games have needed to install themselves since 2006, what's the issue here? At least it's a standardized format and not an overpriced proprietary format like some companies like to use..

>>389044170
>Xbox One and PS4 has 500GB and 1TB
>Switch has 32GB
NINTENDO WON!

>>389044812
Name a single PS3 game that requires you to buy additional hardware just to download it.

>>389044812
PS3 games aren't so big that you need external memory to play them, cunt.

>>389044996
any PS3 game if your hard drive is full
>WOW WHAT THE FUCK, YOU HAVE TO DELETE THINGS TO MAKE SPACE FOR NEW THINGS????

>>389044996
>>389045084
>carefully ignore the Vita argument
>but but muh PS3

>>389044996
I had to upgrade the hard drive in mine a couple of times.
How is that different from needing to get more storage for the Switch?

>ignoring the fact you need a HD in PS3, PS4, etc to install games
"It's only okay when everyone else does it!"

>>389044772
sounds more like it's not okay only when nintendo does it, but it's fine when everyone else does?

>>389045169
Except those are hard drives big enough to actually store games on and not the mircropenis sized 32GB MAX hard drive that the Switch has. You can't even store most 8th gen games on that.

the mental gymnasts in this thread justify it by somehow equating running out of space on like a PS3 being the same as not having any space in the first place on the switch

>>389045138
Not defending the Vita. It's just as bad. Don't assume I'm part of some fucking fanbase.

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>aks nintendogaf to defend nintendo
>they really does it

>>389045369
Should I remind you when the PS3 wasn't sold with an HDMI cable then? It's the exact same shit.

>>389045168
Did you have to upgrade the hard drive for a single game you have installed?

>>389044417
>If you can buy a 1TB hard drive for those consoles,
base models come with 500 GB hard drive and the Pro and One S come with 1 TB hard drive. No extra purchases required.

>>389045434
no it's not and it came with scart

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>>389044170
I'm not a poor fag so it doesn't affect me.

>>389045434
Does that make this okay?

>>389045283
>PS3 launches with 500gb hd (and at $600)
>fills up after a few games and their dlc/patches
>have to open system, move files between drives, place new drive in system
>"Hurr totally not the same thing!"

>>389045283
The PS3 originally came with a 60gb and 20gb models.
A 64GB 100mb/s SD card is $25, and a 128GB 100mb/s card is $50.

>>389044170
I kinda miss memory cards tbqh

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>>389044601
>storage space = power

>>389045486
I actually stuck a 256GB drive in as soon as I got it.
Just like I put a 128GB card in my 3DS and will probably do the same when I get a Switch.

Storage is cheap, just upgrade. Better that they give you the opportunity to put a card in than require you to buy a whole new device if you want more storage like some companies do.

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>>389045676
>lack of storage space
>more resources being spent relocating data into and out of memory
>performance drops
This 'aint my first rodeo, pardner

>>389045579
>>PS3 launches with 500gb hd (and at $600)
Actually it started at 20 or 60 GB.
And yeah it was and still is a piece of shit. There is basically no way to be an actual gamer and not have to change the harddrive within a few months.

Piss4 is even worse.

>>389045627
Fucking this.
>go to friends house with game
>have to bring own console so we don't have to start from scratch

>>389045579
Underage leave.

>>389045580
You're comparing 2006 standards with 2017 standards. Most people in 2006-7 still got games physically while on console. Current console users don't.

>>389045580
Is there any PS3 disc game that required more than a 20GB install to play?

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>people are actually defending it

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I'm baaa-aaack!

>>389045579
>>389045580
Are you fucking retarded

>>389045756
Don't avoid the fucking question.

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>duhh.. hard drives are bigger now! fuck compressing anything, let's bloat every game to 100 gigs with 50 GBs of wav files and raw video
>only like 5 DVD's worth of space? no! no no no! i NEED more space! me no can compress!
This is like giving a slob a bigger room, even though there are more closets and boxes, he'll still leave all his things and trash lying on the floor because he's a fucking slob. Nu-developers that think they are entitled to retarded amounts of space need to die.

okay so switch has 20gb something available memory in it

the cartridges got 16gb

so some stupid basketball game takes more than 36GBs

>>389045902
That's the rumble pack that makes your N64 console itself shake, right?

>>389045849
I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt. I didn't buy a PS3 until slims were a thing because there was literally nothing on the console I wanted to play the first 2 years it was out.

>>389045867
>"D-d-don't compare systems in their release state!"
stfu Sonyfag.

On one hand requiring extra memory than what you physically sell with your console is complete dreck and fuck you.

However, at least they are standard SD cards and not $100 a gb Vita special memory sticks.

>>389044170
As long as it isn't proprietary memory sticks and just normal SD cards, it'll be fine. People tend to forget that 3DS games required you have a SD card in there as well.

>>389045939
uncompressing takes CPU time

it only makes sense to go for bigger file sizes if it means better performance on modern setups where everyone have 1TB drives

>>389045959
Nah its the "expansion" pack that came with DK64.

>>389045579
PS3 launched with 60GB. And even then games didn't need that much space to install since bluray was able to store a lot more and read faster. You could easily have 15+ games installed at the same time without upgrading your HDD. Granted, later games came with increasingly more data to install so you could have less on your HDD at the same time.
The point of this entire thread is that in 2017 a console ships with 32GB of internal memory, the equivalent of a mid-price tablet, and because of that needs expensive microSD cards in order to play games.
In short; it's a completely different issue. And get your facts straight you brainlet

>>389045959
The mental image made me chuckle.

>>389044170
Isn't this just basically DLC and patches maybe?

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>>389045287
You're correct, but I hope you suffocate to death in a pool of shit for being enough of a fucking tool to use the term "mental gymnastics" like a faggot.

>>389044170
nobody's forcing you to buy it. You're a consumer. vote with your wallet. Don't buy shit that requires a memory card to experience all the content.

wait my phone from 2012 has 64 gb built in

switch doesnt have that ?

I remember when Nintendo made strong consoles.

>>389045902
That's the memory expansion pack, which was an actual upgrade to the system hardware.

Not the memory cards which allowed you to carry game data around which were a proprietary format that plugged into the controller.
Plus its not like storage upgrades went anywhere, you've been able to do that on every recent system even if some of them make it difficult with a proprietary format or making you open up the system itself.

>>389045996
>I wanted to give it the benefit of the doubt
What about simply using google?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_3_models

>>389044170
I guess if I had to defend it
with the other consoles you have to spend more to get it and it comes with the 1TB HDD
with the Switch you have the option to buy the SD card separately, if or when you need it
either way it's pretty dumb, but I had a 64gb SD card lying around when I got the Switch so I'm a lucky person if I want demanding games

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>>389045939
It's easy to compress things when what you're working with is only 64KB. It's harder to compress things when it's a thousand or a million times more data. Tools to create video games have improved significantly, but in order to optimize things you would have to spend just as much time diving into the code as you used to 25-30 years ago. Humans can only optimize so much because machines aren't sophisticated enough to do it for us.

Using your analogy you're giving this slob more and more toys for his room. Thousands of times more toys, in a room a thousand times larger. But he's still one slob. Even if he wanted to clean he can't clean a thousand times faster just because there's a thousand times more toys or a thousand times more space.

>>389046152
you're AUTISTIC, I bet using this meme term to insult you also RUSTLES YOUR JIMMIES, you UNIRONICAL SPERG

>>389045925
Never had to think about how big a games install was because I upgraded the HDD as soon as I bought the system like any normal gainfully employed person would.

I'm sure I've got single games with more data on the drive than 20GB on both the PS3 and my 360.

>>389046113
>In short; it's a completely different issue. And get your facts straight you brainlet
No, no it's not. Especially considering the PS3 launched at $600, twice the cost of a Switch and 128gb (twice the space of said PS3) is only $50 or less.

If Nintendo Switch memory cards were like the Vita, then I would be bitching, since there's no reason to jew people like Sony in that regard.

>>389046152
I'm a smart man I only articulate my points with carefully chosen words from the harvard dictionary

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>>389045959

>>389044170
>all these nintentoddlers defending nintendo's jewish practices
You fucks really deserve what you get.

>>389046113
>microSD cards
>expensive

>>389045532
>it's fine being a cuck, I like slurping semen anyway

>>389046412
Such as?

>>389046194
yes. switch only has 32GB of memory.

>>389046638
Nice buzzword anon.
Keep being poor.

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It's simply what it is. The switch made the trade-off between portability and power. You can't jam a large hard drive in that thing while maintaining how slender it is. It's the same reason why the 3DS and Vita have almost no internal storage either.

The greater question I have is why were people expecting anything different?

>>389046681
>GTA
:^)
Go home sonybro

>>389046434
We're not talking about the price retard, it's about the size of the internal memory. 60GB in 2006 vs 32GB in 2017

>>389046607
Comparing them to buying a new HDD, yes, they are expensive

>>389044996
>Name a single PS3 game that requires you to buy additional hardware just to download it.

Well, there's PS3 super slim that comes in a HDD-less variety.

>>389046805
see >>389046194

>>389044812
So why did Sony need it's own shitty propriety memory instead of just using the regular microsd?

>>389046805
Just Sonyfags and the usual anti-Nintendo crowd looking for something to bitch about while everyone else is enjoying playing video games.

>>389046987
$$$

>>389046113
>and read faster

Isn't the whole point of having to install PS3 games because they couldn't be read fast from the disk? I remember the 360 DVD's being able to be read faster as one of the shit talking points in that generation of console wars. Either way, it does not change the conclusion that it is a different issue.

>>389046987
Because they tried to compete with the 3DS at a $250 price point and they couldn't afford another money black hole like the PS3.

>people unironically have a problem with cheap flash storage

Woah. It's like if you want to download a bunch of games you'll need more memory! Woah!

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>>389047045
Oh, right.

>>389046434
Just because Sony does stupid shit doesn't make it okay for Nintendo to do stupid shit. Just stop with this nonsense. You didn't have to put up with the Vita, and you don't have to put up with this.

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>>389044170

This is nothing new

Wait.. Are we going to install games on the Switch? I don't get it.

>>389046942
>We're not talking about the price retard, it's about the size of the internal memory. 60GB in 2006 vs 32GB in 2017
And I'm bringing up that for as much as you spent then, you can get a lot more now for your money. That $300 you didn't spend on a Switch compared to a PS3 you can get 2 cards twice as big and some games. Something the PS3 was also missing for years.

>>389047090
>Woah. It's like if you want to play one physical game you'll need more memory! Woah!

>being an early adopter for Nintendo devices in current year
I'll be waiting for a Switch revision that has more memory, bigger screen, comes bundled with pro controller, is more powerful, or all of the above.
It'll hopefully have games by then

>>389047130
Stop saying it doesn't count when being compared to other video game companies and their hardware. Fucking fanboy.

>>389046194
Smart phones don't have to worry about having processing power strong enough for video games.

>>389044417
>Installs.
>Same as purchasing hardware.
high level cognitive dissonance tjere..

>>389046942
>Comparing them to buying a new HDD, yes, they are expensive
Looking at 2.5" SSDs a 64GB microSD card costs right around in the same ballpark.
$30 for the SSD vs $25 for the SD card.

>>389047282
so?

w-who cares! s-sony! and... get a job then you can afford the memory card! it costs nothing poor fag!

>>389046805
>The greater question I have is why were people expecting anything different?
One of the supposed benefits of console games are that you don't have to worry about system requirements and incompatibilities, as PC games do. If the front of the box says "Playstation 2" (or whatever console), and you have a Playstation 2 at home, you should expect to be able to stick the disc in the console and have it work. Even games that required peripherals, like music games, usually still worked fine with controllers. If I buy a game for a console, put it in the console, and it tells me I have to upgrade in order to simply play it, what's the point of buying a console?

>>389047262
I'm saying they both count. Fucking fanboy.

>>389047356
Same logic Sonyfags used to defend PS+ becoming mandatory for online play.

>>389044750
>>389045505
>>389047287
>You don't need to buy additional hardware
Those hard drives aren't free. It's figures into the cost of the system. Ever wonder why the system with the larger storage space costs more than the smaller one?

>>389047378
>Buy a Playstation
>Go to play Final Fantasy 7
>No memory card detected

What the shit? Who sells these defective systems where I have to worry about system requirements!

>He bought a console with only 32GB of storage space
>In 2017
If you didn't see this coming before the Switch even released you're an idiot. It's piss poor standards from Nintendo but if you bought a Switch you have no right to complain.

>>389047540
>Ever wonder why the system with the larger storage space costs more than the smaller one?
PS4 slim is cheaper than Switch

>>389047591
And you can still play it through the whole way. You just that you can't save, so be sure not to turn it off.

>>389044170
Remember when games released with all their content on the cart?

>>389047349
>smartphones don't need to worry about being as strong and have room to jam in more internal memory unlike every portable gaming machine to date because they're quite literally made for entirely different things
>so?

>>389047213
You can get a suitable microsd card 90% cheaper than a Vita memory card

>>389047731
pretty sure the majority of the people here werent even born yet to experience that.

>>389047701
Priced to inflate the amount of units sold

>>389047731
Wait, Games came with a grocery cart?

>>389047895
what

>>389047772
a memory chip doesn't take a lot of space, fucking shit tier damage controlling, the tegra soc in the switch is just as small as any smartphone soc, the switch is bigger than a smartphone however

>buy PS4 years ago
>Comes with 500gb
>30-50 GB installs on every single game
>30+GB patches on games
>Have to buy and install a bigger HDD if I want to hold more than 10 games at once

WEEEWWWW LADS! I guess it's ok if Sony does it huh guys?

>>389047701
Should have figured /v/ would be too stupid to realize I was talking about within the same model

>>389047952
This is for a single game.

>>389047772
the 32gb chip could just be a 64gb chip, just like you have micro sd cards of different capacities all the way to 250gb+

>>389047952
Pretty much what this entire thread boils down to since it's basically an echo chamber for Sonyfags with nothing else to do.

>>389047803
My Vita came with a 4 GB memory card and I don't need any more than that to play physical games.

>>389048014
You should've clarified that then, don't blame others because (You) did a poor job explaining your point

>>389048017
It requires it for the game. It doesn't mean its going to use up all the space on the card you fucking retard.

>>389048017
*single game
>multiplat shti that no one will buy
>future games coming that will likely require a sd card
>SD cards are still cheap as fuck and are easier to install than new HDs in existing consoles
Whew... what was the point again?

>>389048147
Right, just all the space that's already on the console.

Protip: this is actually going to be ONLY exclusive sandisk shit. You can't just buy any microsd.

http://www.allgamesdelta.net/2017/09/nintendo-partners-with-western-digital.html

>>389048140
Heh. Yeah, we know.

>>389047952
There was a Xbox 360 Arcade with 256MB memory.
Yes.
256 FUCKING MB

>>389047378
>you should be able to stick the disk in the console and have it work
This hasn't been true since the ps3/360, where if you bough a new game, it was almost guaranteed that an update prompt would pop up telling you you needed to install an update before it would work, followed up with an update of the console itself. I still remember trying to play MGS4 for the first time and it took fucking hours before I actually could because of various bullshit.

Not to mention with that PS2 argument you just played yourself, because you need a memory card with that.

>>389048220
It doesn't say that at all in your link, it's just a standard promotional deal.

>>389047942
Why do you think the PS4 has sold 60 million units around the world? It's due to numerous price cuts and being priced at the 399$ mark to compete with the Xbone. The PS4 Slim is counted among the statistics.

So does this mean they will finally let you put saves on an sd card?

Every day flash storage gets cheaper and your complaint becomes weaker and weaker

1TB microsd will be cheap as fuck before the Switchs lifecycle has even ended

>>389048179
You'll have go upgrade each time, for a single game you want to buy. Or you'll have to delete a single game to make room for another single game. Each time one larger game comes out.

I'm not defending but this is literally the practice of every fucking console now. Time to get used to it.

>>389044170
so you need to instal games
Just like every other console?

That's only happening with NBA 2K18 because the initial run of the boxed copies just come with a download code. The final cartridge version is coming a month later and won't require an SD card.
This is literally fake news just to get people to hate Nintendo.

>>389044170
Op is a faggot

I am absolutely SHOCKED that I would need more than 32gb of storage space on my videogame console that I will use for at least the next 4+ years!

How could Nintendo do this to us?

You mean I have to buy a microsd card at the own size and cost of my choosing which is most convenient to me? What. The. Fuck?

>>389048308
Games work without updating unless you're some multiplayerfag and you can launch and play without updating

>Posting thsi shitty thread again
>When the vita exists
>When modern console games literally require you to update them or they won't run

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>>389044170
its ok when (((others))) do it

>>389048565
Except this single game will take up your entire console's space, to the point where you need more space to hold 1 (ONE) game.

>>389048631
Tell that to GTA IV.

>>389048562
Name one other current gen console that does this.

>>389048679
the diference is that you can still play PARTS of the game whitout instaling
diferent from the other consoles

>>389048546
>Buys 128gb sd
>NBA required 40gb
>Have 80gb left
>"You'll need to buy a new card for every single game bro!"

Uh.. no. Just extreme games that are poorly optimised like this bloated piece of shit nobody will buy anyway.

>>389045505
>base models come with 500 GB hard drive
I have less games on my PS4 than I do my Wii U and I've already exceeded 500GB. It simply doesn't cut it.

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>>389044417
PS4/Xbone:
>Could be bought at $200 just a month or two ago
>Easily found at $250 bundled with games or a controller nowadays
>At worst come with 500GB of storage, newer base models now come with 1TB
>Compatible with any other HDD, SSD or USB

Switch:
>$300 barebones model, 330€ ($391) on a lot of EU countries
>comes with 32GB storage, with the marketing and word-of-mouth meme that cartridges are everything you'd need, no storage required
>Not compatible with any HDD, SSD or USB even if you only use it docked
>Requires SD storage, which is 10x more expensive than HDD's and about 3x more than SSD's. Unless you buy a shitty SD card with horrible read/write speeds
>You are now REQUIRED to buy this expensive SD storage, on top of already paying for the most expensive base system, while the other two come with 500gb/1TB included

Yeah, no difference whatsoever, haha

>>389048306
WTF were they thinking when they released that system to begin with? Did they suddenly forget that all their games require an install?

>>389048812
Never underestimate the power of niggers wanting to play shooty hoops.

>>389048671
>PS3 with a HDD
>memory cards
????

Nintenkiddies defending their favorite company while screaming about Sony will never not be worth a laugh.

>>389048712
Name another console where if you don't have enough memory to install a game you can't play it?

All of them?

>>389048843
You don't own a PS4 because you're a falseflagging Nintenbro

>>389048562
what? there isnt a single console that doesnt have enough space for at least one full game of any size. switch specifically doesnt have enough storage space for one full game (unless its one low file size game). 32GB - OS and other files already on board = 27 or so GB to work with

>>389048936
>literally defending Sony

>>389047540
>Those hard drives aren't free. It's figures into the cost of the system.
And the systems cost $250, while the Switch costs $300 and comes with 32gb to which you need to invest $100 more for a decent SD card. Are you drunk?

>>389048997
>literally defending Nintendo
>literally defending the abortion known as the Pii U

>>389049058
They didn't cost $250 when they first came out you fucking Jew cunt

Could your argument be any more retarded?

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>>389045849
>20 GB

Wouldn't even be able to download Uncharted 3 from PSN since it's 47 gigs for the whole process.

>>389048671
>>389048919
The PS3 Super Slim comes in both 250GB and 500GB versions, but Europe for whatever reason got an additional variant that only had 12GB of flash storage with the option of purchasing a 250GB HDD with it.

>>389048932
More like you can only install one game before your space done.

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There was already a 500 post thread last night filled with Switch owners trying to justify this. I just hope it was mostly shitposting and that modern Nintendo fans haven't actually sunk that low.

My guess is that Square Enix wants to bring over FFXIV but requires space in order to bring over each expansion.

This may apply to DQX as well.

>>389049183
it was WAY cheaper so i had to buy that version

first game i bought was MGS4, i could not even fucking play the fucking thing

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>Xenoblade X/Zelda/Smash patches killed my Wii U storage space
>filled up PS4 in a couple of months

It's all awful

>>389049141
>Wii U only has 32 GB on it and can hold more games than a PS4 can
Kek.

>>389049278
>literally making shit up
kek

>>389044170
It's talking about DLC, something that shouldn't be supported anyway.

>>389045579
Don't physical games not need to install on the PS3? iirc MGS4 only needed like 30 GB

>>389049319
>making shit up
Tell that to my maxed out PS4.

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>>389049163
Yes, their hardware (and storage overall) was more expensive back in 2013.
Too bad Switch didn't come out in 2013, huh buddy? It came out in 2017, and is competing with 2017 systems and prices, not 2013's.

Oh speaking of Jews, both PS4/Xbone were sold at a loss at launch, while Switch is sold at a profit even now. Really makes your nose think.

>>389049443
Tell that to my maxed out Wii U, Xenoblade X patches used up all my space

>>389048872
>all their games require an install
Wrong

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>>389049178
But it'd be possible to buy the disc (contained in the box you posted an image of) from a store and play it, because it apparently requires only 1GB to play.

>>389049254
The OS alone probably takes up 2-3GB of the 12 it gives you anyway

>>389049058
>PS4 came out 4 years ago.
>Switch came out this year.
>Comparing prices of a remodel based to move more units to a new system that's yet to have a second revision/"slimming".

Holy fuck, this is what we're dealing with here now? Just plain old, run-of-the-mill dumbassery?

>>389049513
Funny you would say that because I have XCX and still haven't resorted to buying more storage.

>>389048306
>>389048872
Games didn't require an install then, or at least the overwhelming majority didn't. Microsoft also ran a promotion for a year where if you purchased a Xbox 360 Arcade bundle (which only came with the 512MB) and provided a proof of purchase you would receive a discount on a HDD

>>389047239
Holy shit this. I can't think of any other system (besides the pre-backlit Game Boys) that needed a hardware revision so badly.

>>389049368
>iirc MGS4 only needed like 30 GB
That was after the patch. Originally, it would only install the chapter you're currently playing through, which allowed it to fit on the smaller HDD PS3s, but also meant a long install time every time you started a new chapter.

>>389048589
Thanks for clearing that up. I am now ok with this.

>>389049058
You're paying a premium with the Switch for the second standard bundled controller and the portability.
The instant stores start being able to keep the Switch in stock they'll drop the price.

Storage bundled with systems is always at a stupidly high premium, if you're not buying the cheapest model and upgrading the storage you're doing it wrong.

>>389049757
I can.

>>389047239
Basically. Nintendo's latter hardware is usually meh but with a redesign becomes GOAT (see the GBA SP and DS Lite)

>>389049718
The data packs are 10 GB just by themselves, I also have the pirated version of BOTW which is like 16 GB with patches and DLC

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>>389049554
some games require 17gb

>>389045209
This.
Every Xbox and PS has a fucking hard drive. Bigger hard drives cost more money. Fuck, the Vita requires OVERLY expensive memory sticks that are proprietary, and literally a fucking memory card.

We're talking about something requiring a form of storage media that's extremely common, and dropping in cost as time continues. It's not like when you had to slap a IDE HDD into your PS2 to play online. We're talking a fucking MicroSD card, here. I got a 32GB one for $10 a few months back.

Compare that to buying a new HDD for a 360, or even replacing a SATA drive in a PS4. Or even a PS2 Memory Card. Those still fucking cost $20 up until the PS3 was a bit into it's lifespan.

>>389049841
>digital
>ever
No wonder you maxed out your space.

>>389049183
>12GB
Why would you think that was a good deal

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>>389044170
How much of this image turned out to be true? Seems like all of it after this.

>>389049918
I wasn't about to pay $80 for BOTW after how badly Nintendo fucked us Wii U owners

I guess I have a use for that old micro sd card that's been lying around.

>>389045486
>One of these games is going to require the full 32GB's.

Jesus fuck, this cherry picked argument. MGS4 took up a huge chunk of my launch PS3's hard drive. Didn't see you fucks complaining about that.

>>389049976
>$80
What kind of backwater country do you live in where it's that much?

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>>389044170
b-but sony

>>389050112
$60 for the game plus the $20 season pass

>>389050112
He lives in /v/, where the switch is 500 dollars and PS4 is 20 dollars.

>>389049554
>tfw you like the ps3 but hate its "signature" franchise

>>389049926
Microsoft and Sony reached the usual near-end of the console lifespan which usually results in discounts and game bundles to move more units. Sony released 250/500GB bundles with Uncharted 3 GOTY or Last of Us while Microsoft released 4/250GB bundles with Batman and Forza or Skyrim.

Yes, you heard that right it was literally 4 GB. You can still get the Xbox 360 E 4GB model online.

>>389050147
Stop buying DLC

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>>389050147
>america

>>389050294
I didn't buy it, I already said I pirated the game plus DLC.

There is no way to spin this as a good thing. They provided a piece of hardware in 2017 that had less than 20 GB of space for games, what the flying fuck.

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>>389045849

Don't forget the base 360 only had 4 gigs. Remember it actually had a slot for old fashioned memory cards on it and the hard driver was very easy to take on and off right out of the side because the base model didn't come with one.

360 couldn't play most games online because it required patch data that was more than that.

>>389050112
60$ base game
20$ DLC
20$ Amiibo physical DLC

100$

This mean the Switch will never get modern games right?
Even downgraded assets take a ton of space. RIP Monster Hunter World

>>389045867

You're comparing console standards to a high powered portable that happens to have plug-n-play TV gimmick.

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>>389049972
HOLY SHIT the Joycons really are $80.

>>389048562
32 GB is paltry. The PS4 and Xbone each come with enough space by default for at least two or three games and even then the Xbone is the only one that comes with a lesser amount (Xbox One S models with only 500GB are still being made while PS4 comes with 1TB by default)

>>389050454
>This mean the Switch will never get modern games right?
Not digitally at least.

>>389050454
Anyone could've told you that looking at the specs. Nintendo does not target modern triple As with Switch hardware and it is plain to see.

>>389050526
You can still get PS4 Slim Uncharted 4 bundle which only has 500GB

>>389050589
Good, literally no reason to get one then, more when no one I know even wants or owns one.

>people unironically complaining about $20 memory cards

My switch has 10 games installed onto the system memory with 10gb leftover. Giant bloated games will be rare. And the few that do need large installs will easily fit on a 64gb/128gb which are constantly dropping in price.

This is the most mountain mole hill argument ever.

>make the perfect point way back in the second post
>everyone one else tries to justify not paying up to $50 USD for either a hard drive or microsd card.

Holy shit, there's far too many lazy retards on /v/ that refuse to take 10-20 minutes to find a good deal on anything. There is seriously no fucking depth to how stupid anons can be.

>>389050526
I don't think you understand the problem here. The large amount of space third parties have to work with is the reason why they don't optimise their games.

>>389046942
>60gb in 2006 vs 32gb in 2017
You're also comparing a console the size of a fucking toaster oven to a console the size of a tablet. Of course it's not gonna have a huge memory capacity. It can't fit a SSD without getting thicker than it is, and it's already too fucking thick to carry around comfortably.

>"Well why don't they ship with a bigger memory card, then!?"

Because of price. Why do you think new console revisions with better components are more expensive? Because they have to charge more for the system to make back the price they spend on bulk components. Nintendo would have to make the Switch even more expensive to throw in a bigger SD card. Yes, even though it's pennies on the fucking dollar, that shit adds up over the span of a hundred thousands units.

>"WELL YOU NEED IT FOR CERTAIN GAMES."
Okay. And sometimes your HDD on your other consoles fill up, and you have to delete shit to make room, or even put in a better HDD to keep the shit you genuinely want. This is happening with all consoles now. Quit acting like it's just Nintendo. Sony and Microsoft are also jewing people out of money for this kind of stuff, and you guys hardly bitch about it. All of the big 3 are responsible for this bullshit shift in storage requirements for their systems.

>TL;DR
Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft are all shitters who force you to buy new hardware/memory solutions as their consoles lifespan continues. And it's gonna stay that way, because they'll keep making money. Especially Sony, with their love for proprietary formats. Just suck it up and pay, or tell them to fuck themselves and deprive yourself of a game that probably sucks anyways. You really wanna play NBA 2k18 that bad?...

>>389050536
Can you imagine?
"My Switch library is on 6 microSD cards!"
And with Nintendo digital policies and only being able to download a certain amount of times, good shit.

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>>389044170
Why didn't Breath of the Wild, a fucking open world RPG, need a microSD card?

>>389050660
>10 games
bait

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>>389049587
Oh, nice to meet a time-traveler.
I mean, there would be no reason whatsoever to compare prices that are 3 years appart unless you could go back and forth in time to buy the systems then.

Back in the real world people can only buy systems in the current year and their past price has little to no relevance to anyone's current purchasing decisions.
Do you get in a retail store or open Amazon, look at PS4's price, then Switch's price and think to yourself "Well if I time-travel 3 and a half years to the past the Switch is cheaper, HAH! TAKE THAT" or do you just accept the reality that what you're thinking is nothing but an irrelevant hypothetical scenario?

On the same token WiiU was cheaper than the PS4 and Xbone in 2013. It was a good thing for WiiU's case and not unfair at all to point it out. If the WiiU for some reason was $200 more expensive when it launched it wouldn't matter one bit. at Q4 2013 WiiU was cheaper than PS4/Xbone, that's all there is to it. No "what if"

>>389049818
I'm not asking for excuses. I'm just pointing out the obvious. I don't care WHY Switch is way more expensive than PS4/Xbone, much more if you buy extra SD storage (which you must now), I'm just saying it IS more expensive.
Nintendo could, for example, take a little hit like everyone else did and not sell the Swith at profit at launch, they could easily shave off $50 to $70 from the base unit, enough money for the consumer to at least buy a real controller or 125gb of SD storage for the same $300 total.

>>389044170
What's it like being poor?

>>389050694
They shouldn't fucking have to after spending $400 on hardware that's worth less than $100.

What the fuck are you serious? Did the Switch come out in 2010?

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>console with only 32GB of storage
>has memory problems in the future

Don't know why anyone didn't expect this. Makes you wonder what even is the point of buying physical games. At least with my PS4 I'm not forced to buy accessories to actually be able to have a good experience.

Great, if I want to have a good library for my Switch on the go I have to get one of those expensive ass 256 GB Micro SD cards. Oh and I hate how the joycon feels, so I gotta get those 90 dollar controllers. Oh and I may need those 25 dollar glass screen protectors.

Anyone who bought this console is a fucking retard.

>>389050660
>Giant bloated games will be rare
Unfortunately for western third parties that's commonplace. Their games nowadays tend to push 50GB without DLC or patches.

>>389050757
Because Nintendo didn't think up a great way to scam you by making you buy one of their Exclusive Licensed SanDisk MicroSD cards

>>389050818
I don't know, ask a Switch owner.

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>>389050783
???

>>389044285
I mean it is equivalent to having to install every game on your hardrive, such as the ps4. I suppose it is somewhat nice that you can still play some of the game without the installation, but it's a bit poor that they didn't include one with the console. I had to buy a 200 gb on the side which is just more money.

>>389050826
Switch is a handheld. Handheld hardware of this capability was not possible in 2010

>>389050757
Because it was made by people who know how to make games without bloated filesizes.

>>389050783
I just double checked. Your right. I actually have 12 games.

Switch games are small because Devs actually have to optimise them. A switch game can range from 500mb to 2gb on average. I think arms and splatoon 2 are like 2.5 gb

NBA coon sports EA being shit and having 40gb of sweaty black men patches is NOT going to be the standard for the system.

>>389044750
Yes you do faggot. Last gen I had a 360 and had to pay out the ass for one of those detachable hard drives because I couldn't play games with the puny memory card it came with. This was in the days before they started bundling systems that came with hard drives.

>>389050905
>minecraft
HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>389050874
>a $400 purchase is enough to break the bank

i dunno.... still sounds like the poorfag here is you

>>389050757
Because the assets are low detail and look like shit.

>>389050831
I mean, don't forget to mention Amiibos and how retarded they are, how hard they are pushed, along with the PAID ONLINE for the same quality servers as the fucking Wii. Including disconnects, 15 tick rate servers, and no modern online features.

The Switch itself is a disaster of a console and I feel bad for people who fell for the scam.

>>389050979
and?

>>389051006
>muh voice chat

no one cares and splatoon isn't a twitch shooter

>>389050831
You literally will never need more than 128gb on switch.

what the absolute fuck

im not affected by this at all because im not a poor fuck and already had a 32GB microSD laying around, but im upset that now every home console is going to require game installs for physical copies.

>>389050943
Funny enough, its a weak as fuck handheld that can't even handle its own fist party games.

>>389044170
I don't really get it. Why would an SD card be required?

Like.. Is that still the case even if you have enough internal memory left on the console?

Sounds weird as fuck..

>>389044601
and nintendo have a history of doing so

>>389050992
I don't know, sounds like wasted money to me. What, can't you afford a 1200$ PC + 299$ PS4 too? Poor? Thought so. Switch is all you can afford.

>>389051076
If it's going to be like the Wii U you won't need more than 20.

>>389050956
Or people that know how to reuse assets over and over to make a repetitive open world game where 90% of the content is split between collecting 2 objects.

>>389051006
Lol u mad switch is a success and people are having fun. Cucked!

>>389051076
>You literally will never need a Switch.
FTFY

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>>389044170
>it doesn't matter that the switch comes with only 32 GBs because they won't have to install the games because the read speeds will be fast, and they can just put the entire game on the retail cart and read from it.
>the only reason you'l ever need the SD card is to download digital games but who buys a digital game on a console
>barely half a year in and 3rd party games are already shipping with only part of the game and the rest of it has to be downloaded and stored on your system, and the games take over half of the storage

admittedly it's alot fucking easier to add storage space to the switch than the wii U but it shows how fucking delusional these people are thinking they wouldn't get fucked over, whats next the switch games come with no SD card and only a digital download code thats locked to an account?

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>>389049456
>It came out in 2017, and is competing with 2017 systems and prices, not 2013's.
Bingo.

>>389050826
Unless you have plenty of games that are less than 30gb on your PS4/xbone default 500gb hard drive, you WILL struggle with storage space.

>>389050719
This faggot says it better than anyone else in this thread can.

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>>389051161
Yes I can, wouldn't touch PS4 personally

>>389050801
... Are you retarded? No, this is a serious question.
I'm talking about comparing the price of a console that RELEASED 4 years ago versus a console that released THIS YEAR.

IE; A console that's seen multiple revisions and price drops, versus a console that literally is still on it's first revision, in it's first fiscal year.

Like holy fuck, how can you confuse the point I'm making? Of course the fucking PS4 is as expensive/cheaper now. It's been out longer and they're making bundles to move more product.

>>389051194
You mean like nearly every other open world game?
Well not really because BoTW doesn't push 70GB.

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>>389051224
Spotted the newfag.

>>389050992
>y-you're a poorfag if you don't waste money on Nintendo stuff!

Should everyone also buy some overpriced rims for their cars because their not poor?

>>389051109
Because NBA is bloated as fuck and makes you download patches.

2K17 on ps4 required a 80gb patch on top of the 50gb install

Just because this game does it don't mean every game will. Most games on Switch will be 2-4gb

>>389048179
I think your point was that it's okay when Nintendo does it.

>>389051257
well yeah it's a luxury item if you're only able to buy what you need and nothing more, you're poor.

>>389051076
I don't think you will need the Switch period.

>>389051194
OR you don't know what the fuck you're talking about and parrot the shit you say without even touching the game?

>>389051275
Yeah man. That essential NBA 2K18 on my switch sure showed us all wrong!

>>389051364
no but you give off major poorfag vibes if you write something off just because of how costly it is

>>389051076
If it's a portable console I will install all my games and never buy any of them physical. But then I'm gonna go batshit when we get CFW.

>>389051312
I have plenty of games on my PS4 and have never deleted anything but a demo.

Stop suggesting 500GB is the same has fucking 20.

>>389051325
>xbone
That explains the retardation.

>>389051390
>2K17 on ps4 required a 80gb patch on top of the 50gb install
Jesus Christ, it's a fucking basketball game.

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>>389044170
can buy one with the money i don't pay in online... unlike some others.

>>389051543
>i don't have an argument so I'll just adhom

every time, keep sipping that kool-aid lol

>>389051342
No, most other open world games like the Witcher 3 have high quality assets and actual content.

>>389051480
I owned and beat the game faggot. How many times did they reuse the shrine textures?

>>389051390
>2K17 on ps4 required a 80gb patch on top of the 50gb install
What the actual fuck..?

It's a fucking basketball game, what in the world are they adding?

Switch is a joke.

>>389051520
>Buying games you cant sell if they turn out to be shit

Why? Digital is so fucking retarded.

>>389044170
Memory cards are charming

>>389051632
Switch is a MESS

>>389051390
>2K17 on ps4 required a 80gb patch
>on top of the 50gb install
holy shit..

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For $60, you can get 128GB on the Switch, or...

1TB on the PS4.

>>389051680
A BIG FAT MESS
please clap

>>389051505
I didn't. People write off the Switch because its the least worthwhile piece of videogame hardware in 2017, and likely to continue in the future.
Sorry that not everyone is into children's games and actually needs more than 2 games to play a year.

>>389051628
>>389051557
More black men and sweat textures and physics.

Why haven't all Sonybros been banned yet?

>>389051670
>having to carry around a million different game cards everywhere you go

no thanks

Just wait for the revision.
Release hardware is never a good investment.

>>389051006
Oh yes. How could I forget Amiibos.

They are literally fucking microtransations that make the game pay to win. Anyone who buys them should be hanged.

>>389051625
>like the Witcher 3
You mean a low quality game that couldn't even have the size or diversity of BoTW but is still extremely bloated?
Thanks for proving my point.

>>389051735
>Typical game size on Switch, 1gb-4gb
>Typical game size on Ps4, 50gb+20gb patch

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No Monster Hunter World.
No care.

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>>389051670
if they are indeed shit, how are u gonna sell them?

>>389051759
>its the least worthwhile piece of videogame hardware

how do you figure?

>more than 2 games to play a year.
The absolute ironic delusion on display here, kek

>>389051802
Witcher 3 is better than BOTW in pretty much every way. It actually has content.

I don't recall BOTW having much variety nor looking very appealing, it was all watered down TF2 tier textures, could easily be a Gamecube game with some filtering effects.

>>389051852
>typical game on the Switch: rehash
>typical game on PS4: new and original

>>389051774
>Actually using your switch outside of your house>>389051889

>>389050801
>Nintendo could, for example, take a little hit like everyone else did
Microsoft taxes the sale of every PC
Sony sells insurance

Nintendo has nothing else to prop up their business to allow them to take a big hit, especially not on the heels of the WiiU which proved to be too expensive to produce with its expensive discrete hardware compared to the PS4 and Xbone with their cheap tablet class SOCs.

I'm really not sure why you're obsessing over SD cards somehow being 'expensive'. They could have easily gone with a proprietary format like Sony or Microsoft have in the past.
The Switch was never going to be able to fit or power a 2.5" HDD like its non-portable competitors, an SD card is a good solution especially compared to soldering more non-expandable storage to the main board.

Plus if the news is true that the Switch is primarily supply constrained because of the flash memory competition from Apple, Samsung and others doubling the amount of storage could have hurt supply even more.

>>389051497
it's only going to become a bigger problem from this point on anon, instead of shitty yearly shovel ware games do this shit, it'l be something essential "eventually"
once the ps5 and xbox two come and start aiming for 4k game sizes will bloat immensly again to the 100+ GB size average

>>389051884
no one cares about monster hunter

>>389051939
yeah I'm not a little bitch like you

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Even the Japanese are abandoning the Switch.

>>389044996


>>389045168
>>389046967
>>389045117
>>389045138

All these responses. Still can't name a game

>>389051938
>New and original

Like Uncharted: Now with women edition and Yakuza: We've lost count of how many times we have remade 1

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>>389051625
>they reused textures on places that's designed to look identical and where you're only going to be in for a few minutes tops

Oh wow, game so shit and devs are so lazy

>>389051898
I don't think you should use words that you don't understand. It makes you look retarded, but I feel you aren't too unfamiliar with that look.

>>389051390
So essentially they release an unfinished product and finish it later.

I fucking hate the current state of gaming.. Even Nintendo is doing it with Splatoon and Arms now.

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>mfw idort who has a reasonably large backlog of games scattered across last-gen consoles and PC so I can easily wait for the Switch Revision and then the pricedrop for said Revision
I pity you poorfags, having to squabble over such inconsequential matters.

>>389051108
And what handheld is better? Not vita

>>389051918
W3 was shit and the standard follow the quest marker visualized trash

BOTW was open world done RIGHT

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>>389052005
Such a qt

>>389051918
>It actually has content.
Yeah like Gwent and cutscenes and...
That's about it.

>>389052048
Yeah, and the rest of it is just repeat assets most of the time, or just simple shit all around.

There is nothing visually impressive about BOTW or anything that looks substantial from an asset perspective.

Breath of the Wild has an empty boring world.

>>389052036
Meanwhile, you have Mario Kart, Splatoon HD Edition, Super Mario 3D Odyssey, etc.

>>389052054
Don't kid yourself PS4 has been out for how many years and it only has maybe 4 or so games that aren't run better on PC? Not to mention it took for fucking ever for BB to actually come out :)

>>389052217
Welcome to every open world game now

This is literally a non-issue being spun by fanboys to seem like a big deal

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After Iwata died we got

>paid online

>amiibos basically becoming overpriced DLC

>mobile games completely ditching the whole free to start thing and basically becoming pay to win shit

And now this. Do you think Iwata would be proud?

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>>389044285

Did the vita not require an external storage device? Oh that's right anything Sony runs on unicorns and communism.

>>389052208
well that's your opinion..............

>>389052231
Which still have more differences between the versions than Uncharted, Gravity Rush and Persona.

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wow

>>389052115
Uh huh, keep crying. It's objectively better.

>implying Zelda doesn't have quest markers
hmmmm

BOTW is open world done early access empty, with strained content that's next to non-existent.

>>389052168
Like actual unique dungeons, tons of enemy types, spells, skill trees, upgrades, rewards and unique items, proper narrative, consequence and choice, actual challenge, and great visuals.

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>>389052384
>It's been 6 months and people are still butthurt about BOTW

>>389051328
>I'm talking about comparing the price of a console that RELEASED 4 years ago versus a console that released THIS YEAR.
Yeah, what about it? No one but Nintendo should care. When I go into a store I won't start crying and feel pittiful towards a massive company because "Life is unfair, and and a-and their system just came out now *sob* s-so I should take that into consideration and i-ignore the fact that stronger homconsoles with way more storage, an actual controller and a superior current libraries are cheaper *sob*"

Like I said, Nintendo didn't take the hit that Sony/MS took when releasing the PS4/Xbone, they both lost money per unit for months. PS4 would cost $450 or more at release if not for that. Switch could cost $250 at launch (and probably not even lose money, considering they are making profit, not breaking even) but no, Switch MUST be $300 and you MUST pay $50-$100 extra for SD storage and the accessories MUST be overpriced as hell.

>Like holy fuck, how can you confuse the point I'm making?
How am I confused about it. All I said is that PS4/Xbone are cheaper. It's you who's coming up with excuses and justifications, all of which are irrelevant to that simple fact.

I also don't care that PS4pro is $100 more expensive because X or Y. Or that it's "unfair" to point out the XboneX costs DOUBLE of a base model beause it's liquid-cooled and all that jazz. It simply is more expensive. Just pointing it out. Just sayan

>>389051964
>Nintendo has nothing else to prop up their business to allow them to take a big hit
They still profit from each and every game sold on their system. They still sell completely laughable overpriced accessories like the $90(?) plastic dock, $80 joycons, bundling the cheap plastic grip while selling the chargable grip seperatly for $20 extra, not including a useful amount of storage, delving into paid online now, entering the mobile market with Mario, FE, and more.

Hardware sales are but a tiny % of total profits.

>>389052352
Yeah not to mention a console that's actually desirable

>>389052414
>It's objectively better.
How so?

>>implying Zelda doesn't have quest markers
never said that, but W3 gives you markers for literally everything even shit you haven't discovered yet, it's fucking dumb.

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Nintendo have been gimmick peddlers since the Wii. I really don't know why people keep falling for their tricks.

>>389052257
I didn't mention the PS4 at all.
That being said, the PS4 has a decent selection of games right now that dwarfs all the Switch upcoming titles.

>>389044750

I remember when you needed to on the 360, PS3 and right now I remember it on the competing handheld the vita. Fuck off shill.

>>389052378
Which are already more complex and well-made than each iteration of Zelda, Pokemon, and Metroid.

>>389048630

A microsd for each game unless you like deleting your games over and over

>>389052414
>Like actual unique dungeons, tons of enemy types, spells, skill trees, upgrades, rewards and unique items, proper narrative, consequence and choice, actual challenge, and great visuals.
None of which applies to Witcher 3.
I mean, unique dungeons? That's like calling the generic areas in Fallout unique.

>>389052414
W3 doesn't have good C&C you fucking dope, and all the gameplay just boils down to the bland combat and press X to witcher

>>389052493
""""gimmick"""""

>>389044170
>partnership with SD card maker
>some switch games now require a microSD card
Makes you wonder which of these two things happened first.

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>>389052352
>Do you think Iwata would be proud?
Fuck no.

>>389052459
>Having valid criticism for a 7/10 game means people are upset about it

???
Maybe people would stop talking about it if Switch owners would stop bringing it up as the only worthwhile port on the console.

>>389052516
it has like 6 that aren't on PC lol. The library's pretty dire, dude.

>>389052414
>>389052115
W3 and BOTW are both shit games with lifeless and dull open worlds.

That aside at least W3 had a little challenge in it and a passable combat system unlike BOTW.

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>>389047701
>>389047942
>>389048141
>>389049058
>>389050801

>Completely different BoM from a completely different company

It's like having a conversation with children.

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>>389052632
>SEETHING

>>389052693
W3 has garbage combat

>>389052695
mad as fuck

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>>389052476


Not even those anons but it's cringe worthy just watching you keep trying

>>389052490
Well let's see:
Witcher 3 won more awards
It sold more
It has more content
It has more music
It has better writing
It has better visual design
It has better graphics
It has better expansions
It has better minigames
It has better narrative
It has better combat with more variation
It has better itemization and player rewards
It has more bosses
etc. etc. etc.

>>389049443
Don't play CoD and Fifa then. Not many games take up over 50gb

>>389050023
>MGS4 takes up a lot space on the console
>This Switch game literally requires external storage to function fully, using all of the system memory
Gee, I wonder why these two things that aren't comparable have different responses.

>>389052693
>a little challenge
You're right.
It certainly is a challenge to focus on such a boring game.
>passable combat system
It's the single most basic combat system in any game this gen anon.

>>389052762
Still better than BOTW.

>>389052493
>Wii

Are you implying the GC wasn't a gimmick with it's fucking "take it with you" handle and shitty mini-discs?

Or the N64 wasn't by including analog sticks and rumble?

Get you're nostalgia goggles off m8, Nintendo have always been a fucking gimmick company.

>>389052686
Pretty sure it has more than that.