>10/10 >Despite its flaws...

MGSV
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>>389024940
Witcher 3

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>Is perfect because muh social narrative

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>Despite it's flaws

What constitutes a game having a 10/10 rating?
Nothing can be flawless

Is it possible for a game to not be perfect, but not have any real flaws??

Note: A muddy texture here or there is not a real flaw

if 10/10 meant a game was absolutely perfect then that would mean the 10 would be a pointless mark on the scale, because it would be impossible to attain outside of games with a scope and premise so small that they're not doing anything particularly interesting in the first place.

>>389025092
No man's land is a good example
As well as Skyrim

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>user review
>A wise man (Perosophicalcucles, circa 50 BC) once said "Faggot gay ass quote". That truly perfectly encapsulates in a complete wrapped up boiled-down nutshell how I feel about [game]. Allow me to explain...

>>389025129
tetris

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When you think about it a perfect game can never be made because games can always be improved by adding more content.

>>389025198
Tetris may be perfect, but that doesn't stop it from being shit.

Vermintide.
Best online experience since l4d.

>>389025259
wrong
bloat is definitely a thing you fucking weeb

>>389025198
Any argument made for tetris being "perfect" can be applied to any game ever

>>389025158
>Skyrim

>>389025351
find a (objective) flaw

>>389025198
aaaaaaaaaaaaaand here comes the red.ditor with the most literally red.dit/game theory answer ever

let me guess, 1-1 is the most perfect single level in video games history too, right?

SotFC

>>389025403
Post a reason that supports tetris being "perfect" that isn't so cookie-cutter that it can be applied to any halfway decent game

10/10 games can have flaws.

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>>389025272
You're hired.

>>389025198
A game whose scope and premise is so small that it's not doing anything particularly interesting in the first place?

Hmm

>>389025410
no 1-1 is boring and easy

Arbitrary numerical rating systems in any form of art (whether you consider vidya art or not) are retarded. You wouldn't rate a painting or sculpture out of 10, would you?

>>389025447
scholar of the first cin?

>>389025540
>tetris
>not innovative
are you dumb

>>389025542
I rate your post 1/10

>>389024940
Breath of The Wild

>>389025594
I rate your post... bad. Not good, but bad.

>>389025336
No it isn't. A bad game CAN be bloated with poor, repetitive content, but a game can't be ruined by adding more GOOD content.

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*blocks your path*

>>389025661
I rate your post one thumb down out of two hands. You lost points for redundancy.

10/10 signifies perfection, and there is no such thing as perfection in this existence.
9/10 is the highest anything in this world can attain.

>>389025098
it would be contradictory because an imperfect game with no flaws would have the flaw of being boring

>>389025770
which is why rating systems are retarded

>>389025797
No. This is why calling a 10/10 "perfect" when rating something is retarded.

>>389025770
9/10 signifies the highest anything in this world can obtain, so shouldn't be used because even if that's theoretically possible it won't happen 99.99999% of the time in practice

so ratings should only go up to 8/10 at max

>>389024940
10/10 doesn't indicate perfect imo, it indicates the paragon of its genre.

>>389025198
>no story
>repetitive gameplay
>rng
>10/10
sure senpai

>>389025706
"puzzles" are shit/easy as hell

the magnum

kinda boring on repeat playthroughs

inventory system seriously sucks dick and is tedious as all hell.


played it to 100% completion/achievements on gamecube and the xbox one by the way. I love the game but it isn't without its objective flaws.

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>>389025945
You're absolutely correct, it's very unlikely that anything is truly 9/10, but there are still the occasional examples, e.g. pic related.
Video game examples of 9/10 are extremely hard to find, and I genuinely can't think of any.

>>389026349
Please explain how that sculpture is a 9/10.

>>389025043
Made me upset just reading it

>>389024940
>movie gets 5/5 stars
>it's not perfect

>rating system is skip/rent/buy
>game is rated buy
>it's not perfect
WTF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>389026689
it's green

>>389026689
sharp knees

>>389024940
>"It's a good game, but it's not a good ___ game"

>it's the dark souls of [genre]

>>389026349
With that in mind, 8/10 signifies the highest a video game can reasonably get in the current state of the art. but very few games are likely to be that good

realistically, a honest video game rating should be 7/10 max, save a few very select examples

>>389026950
not even wrong desu

hitman blood money is a 10/10

>>389026950
too bad that doesn't work and a decent game is 9.5 and a shit game is a 7.
thumbs up thumbs down master race

>[Game] is like Donald Trump. Some people think that it can't possibly be as bad as it is on the cover, and so they buy it, only to find out that yes, it's actually that bad. Maybe worse. But you can't return it now and you made everyone else in the country buy it too. Just when you thought maybe video games could become art, [Game] sets that back by a good two decades. 0/10

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>>389024940
>anything being without flaw
>much less, something made by humans

>>389025917
no you are just arguing semantic because of your autism and inability to comprehend figurative speech. "Perfection" is rarely used in a literal sense

>>389027062
>reviewer is an amerifat who needs to shove politics into everything

>>389025562
No, dumbo. It's shadow of the fucking colossus.

>>389027104
Are you retarded? The argument is that people ARE using it in a literal sense and that it's stupid to do so.

>>389027212
I never actually played that. Should I hold out for the remake or go with the PS2 or 3 version?

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>>389026349
That statue has no eyeplay. This is a genuine 9/10. Cubism is the art of God replicated by man.

>>389026689
An extremely high level of detail and quality of craftsmanship that can no longer be found in our current day and age.
Capturing the human state of calmness/
Symbolism for the human mind: intelligence and reasoning, in addition to truth.
It's pretty much the best one can get on this plane of existence.

>>389027472
Elaborate please, I would like to know about it's symbolism.

>>389025092
The closest I've seen is PC Gamer giving Alpha Centauri a 98/100.

>>389025603
Shrines are pointless bloats

>>389025098
The flaws have to be so small they can't break the experience. Or there the game should have so much positives the flaws would be completely BTFO.

>>389025665
Yes it can. Too much good becomes bad easily. Nobody's going to sit through a game with GOAT, 500 hours long story.

>>389027628
Nice description! But how does that translate to a 9?

>>389027713

Yeah, but you can hit something a few times, and then jump on it and ride it. And metal weapons attract lightning! What else would you need?

>>389027628
I don't really think there's any symbolism. It's just the fact that the features are fractured, so your mind pieces together the features by itself and while doing this you can find many different possible shapes and patterns in the same sculpture and it's interesting to look at.

>[Game] is my favorite!
>Oh I never played it I just watched an LP on youtube

>>389027901
No one actually does this

>>389025797
Why can't we have the numerical system anyway?

We can have A++ for excellent, F for worse than Daikatana, then C for mediocre.

>>389027628
There is no symbolism mon ami. Head of a woman doesn't require some deep exploration of man's self-seeking like some Chinese water painting. It is simply a bust that depicts beauty to the eye of its beholder. It is that teleological connection that is the only thing that matters to art. The link between vector and viewer.

>>389025503
Tetris is a fundamentally flawless game.
The core concept is so accessible that anyone from a beginner gamer to someone with a lot of experience can work it and enjoy it. Even a child or brainlet can understand it without explanation. People have a natural desire to stack the blocks properly and even if they don't they'll learn quickly it's the objective because they'll lose.

It's simplicity is perfect. There's no weird power-ups, stupid gimmicks or anything like that discounting re-releases that add those. It's just a game you can turn on and enjoy with no bullshit.

>>389027917
I do

I love Danganronpa 1, 2 and v3

When you rate a game there should be two scores, the objective one and the subjective one.

My personal 10/10 game would probably be like a 7 or 8/10 objectively because it has some issues, but I still consider it my favorite game ever.

>>389027917
You haven't been to a Kingdom Hearts website yet

>>389027901
>>389027967
It's possible that certain waifu faggots on /v/ does this, but no normies or whatever

>>389027713
I wouldn't call them that. Some are pretty fucking stupid though.

>>389027917
Yes they do my pal o' mine, I know people who say that shit about earthbound/mother 3

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>>389027967
>visual novals

>>389027901
you can say you're a fan of a game despite only seeing LP
you can't say its your favorite without truly appreciating it

>>389027857
>>389027957
Yes, now that I analyzed it more deeply I see what you mean. I should look into Cubism some more, haven't done much research on it.

>>389025410
>aaaaaaaaaaaaaand
This and your reddit obsession make you look like a retard.

>>389024940
>it does something so well that it blows away expectations
>desired features and minor flaws can't take away from that feat

>>389027953
Those are based on percentages of a binary rating system, which DOES work.
50/100= F, it's objective.

>>389027472
This has pretty good eyeplay but the face game is shit. And butterbody

>>389024940
>i don't understand rating scales

>Game gets a 10/10
>People complain about how nothing can be perfect
>Game gets a 5/5
>No complaints

>>389028004
Explain the objective criteria for reviewing a game.

>>389027953
>>389028140
I misread your post but that's essentially the same thing you're just changing the semantics

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>>389026349
Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm...

>>389028004
Scores are always objective and take into account how the game compares to other games within its genre.

>>389028265
I like it = it's good
I don't = it's shit

It's objective because I'm god, which makes my subjective opinion a fact

>>389025092
A game that doesn't take risks have no flaws but aren't necessarily 10/10.
A great game can have flaws that are much much smaller than its qualities. For me flawed games with great ideas are better than boring games with no glaring flaws but no uniqueness.

Thats why i think most 3d zelda games are extremely overrated

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>>389028214
>Reviewer lists greatest game of all time to a game that just came out the same year.
>People complain about the choice, not the fact that the game hasn't stood the test of time.
>Reviewer gives game the GOTY
>no complaints, despite the fact the game hasn't been out a year.

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>>389027472
impressionism was a mistake.

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>Actual 10/10 game comes out and gets deserving accolades for once.
>people lambaste it with 20 games that do one thing it can but worse. None of those games are even close to 10/10 even if it had done that thing better.

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>>389028787
>>389028495
>>389028214
>Game stands test of time by proving to be leagues ahead of other games on a technical level.
>people complain "can't be 10/10 by modern standards" because it doesn't have some arbitrary function like rotating camera that doesn't fit the game itself.

>>389027958
Simplicity and accessibility do not make a game perfect

"gimmicks" and "power-ups" don't make games flawed either

basically according to your logic any single-screen arcade or Atari game like pac-man is "flawless" just because it is simple and people have a "natural desire" (whatever the fuck this means) to eat the pellets and dodge the ghosts

you saying that anyone "can enjoy it" is you admitting it is flawed because not everyone will actually enjoy a repetitive, easy puzzle that spikes in difficulty once you only get fractions of a second to place a piece. everyone "can enjoy" mario or sonic or pong or pac man or call of fucking duty. being able to enjoy a game is the most redundant statement on earth.

no shit you "can" feel a way towards a thing.

go back to red.dit or the game theory youtube comments section, brainlet

>>389027958
>very limited gameplay options
>extremely lacking visual details
>no story or narrative to speak of

If Tetris was a book it would contain one sentence in basic english. If Tetris was a movie it would contain one simplistic scene everyone could understand.

>>389028265
I guess just taking into account issues like game-breaking bugs, texture issues, parts of the game where there are lulls in the gameplay, unbalanced sections. It's still probably got some subjectivity if you think about it like that.

Maybe that sounds stupid, because I guess a "professional" reviewer should always be neutral but like I said, my personal 10/10 game would be like 8/10 if I thought about it more objectively. Or maybe it is pointless to give a game a perfect score since none of them will ever be perfect, and it seems like it might just be done for marketing so someone can say "this game reviewer gave my game a perfect score!"

>>389028214
>>389028495
>>389028787
>>389028953
>10/10 game comes out that the developer isn't sure of, and are testing the waters to see if there's demand for more games in that vein.
>people pirate it.

>>389029054
>needs games with unnecessary features and details beyond the raw gameplay
>can't enjoy a pure game because of his lack of imagination
>calls others manlets

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>Though it's a bit slow in the beginning

>>389027472
>implying god exists

>>389027958
Nostalgiafags really are the worst. By your logic the best board games are Connect Four and Tic-tac-toe and the best pieces of art are cave paintings.

>>389029247
That's a 100% valid argument.
Much like a good book, a good game grabs you from the very beginning.
If it takes 5 hours to get going properly, then it's shit and the majority of people trying it will quit out of boredom before the "good part" starts.

>>389027628
Anything the ancients could do we could do better.

>>389028953
How many levels of frustration are you on my dude?

>>389029197
>needs games with unnecessary features and details beyond the raw gameplay

I never said unnecessary features and details beyond raw gameplay are needed. I stated why tetris is just a puzzle game and is only a 10/10 subjectively if you really like puzzles and high-scores

>can't enjoy a pure game because of his lack of imagination

What is there to imagine in tetris? the whole point of tetris is you have a very strict, orderly, always exact blocks with certain shapes/colors that you have to build into an exact line in order to get an exact points bonus for the exact high score (the ultimate goal)

>calls others manlets

what? when? christ you really are a fucking brainlet

>>389029386
>it's shit even though the part after 5 hours might be god's gift to man

>>389029386
what about games like eve or dwarf fortress where it takes time and effort before the enjoyment kicks in, is that vidya's stockholm's syndrome, or sunk cost fallacy?

>>389029468
Yes, it's shit because it has shit pacing.
It's irrelevant if you created divine perfection past those 5 hours, it might as well not exist if nobody sticks around that long.

>>389029525
>the part after 5 hours might be the greatest gaming experience to ever exist
>it's still shit
>no matter how good a game is, if it has bad pacing, it's shit
>pacing is a metric that is allowed to cancel out all other metrics
your absolutism is retarded

>>389029197
He called you a brainlet because you can't handle games where you have to be smarter than a chicken.

>>389029394
Yeah, we could easily forge damascus steel or navigate like vikings did. Oh wait, we don't even know how those even works anymore.

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>>389024940
>It's an "OP thinks 10/10 means perfect" episode.

>>389029643
He's not talking about obsolete knowledge. If you can cut metals with fucking water pressure, why would you need to make a damascus sword? And people can still make real damascus sword, brainlet.

>>389029592
First impressions are extremely important. They paint any further interaction with the game/movie/book/whatever you have in front of you.
If your game is slow as molasses for 5 hours it's gonna leave a really bad first impression. The majority of people take first impressions to heart, and would quit your "perfect" game, because the beginning is dull as dirt and only your autistic ass decided to stick around.

>>389029785
>he doesn't know what damascus steel is
>reading comprehension is so bad he just substitutes steel for "sword"

>>389029890
i think you confuse a slow start with a bad start

>>389026073
>story
lmao go read a book faggot

>>389029890
your absolutism is still retarded. you can't call god's gift to gaming shit just because it takes 5 hours to get started.

you tell people to just play through the first 5 hours, and they will thank you. and it will be regarded as one of the best games of all time

>>389029978
Well, the original post was >>389029247 so I went off of that.
A slow start is a bad start. A bad start isn't necessarily a slow start, but it has the same effect: it will leave a horrible first impression.
>>389030061
I can.
Games, much like books, absolutely NEED a good start. You need to hook the player/reader in the shortest time or fewest lines of text possible. If that shortest time is 5 hours, there is something seriously wrong with your game and the problem I mentioned earlier occurs: nobody will stick around to see your God's gift to gaming, so it might as well not exist at all.
A game/book is only as good as its ability to hook people in.

>>389029950
>he doesn't know how to use google
>he doesn't know Damascus steel still gets produced to this day
>he doesn't know smiths in Arab countries still produce Damascus steel the old way

>>389030295
>A slow start is a bad start.
i was trying to convey that a slow start is not necessarily a bad start, unless one doesn't want to waste time
which i understand, if i see a game with a super slow tutorial i'll clock out 90% of the time because it'll bore me to death

>>389030440
>he makes up complete lies instead of just admitting he was wrong on a small point

>>389030295
>nobody will stick around to see your God's gift to gaming, so it might as well not exist at all.
Except yes they will, and they will recommend it to others, and it will become known before long at all that it's god's gift to gaming
>A game/book is only as good as its ability to hook people in.
So you admit you're arbitrarily judging games only by this characteristic.

Enjoy not playing god's gift to gaming then.

>>389025092
>What constitutes a game having a 10/10 rating?
Whenever they pay enough to reviewers.

>>389025129
call of duty

>>389030591
>So you admit you're arbitrarily judging games only by this characteristic.
There is nothing arbitrary about it. It's a fundamental requirement of any medium: you MUST hook people as quickly as possible, or nobody will care.
>Except yes they will, and they will recommend it to others, and it will become known before long at all that it's god's gift to gaming
Only people with a large amount of time to kill will do so. Any person with responsibilities (read: 90% of people) will attempt to get as much as possible out of the limited time they have. They won't waste 5 hours on your God's gift, when they can play something else that gets going and hooks them in very quickly. It might seem shallow, but it's how the world works.

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>>389030874
It will become a known fact that anyone who doesn't know it's god's gift to gaming is a complete casual. Casuals don't get to have opinions.

>>389030519
>still buttmad he got called out
>still too dumb to google it
Yes we've lost our knowledge how to reproduce Damascus steel. That's why the industry is making an even better damascus steel like DSC or G3 Damast

>>389031023
>if you don't want to waste 5 hours of your life on pointless bullshit you are a casual
You are not making any sense, and sound like a pretentious arrogant faggot.
Your "casuals" will be having fun with games that are consistently good, while your autistic ass will screech at them while watching paint dry for 5 hours and claiming "it gets better once it dries up". Yeah well, I'll be out here doing something else while it's drying, and come back once it's full dried up.

>>389031419
>absolutely discards the very possibility of a game being good if it has a 5 hour bad start
>calls others pretentious arrogant faggots
You made no sense and sounded like a pretentious arrogant faggot right from the very first post you made on this point.

If someone tells you that you just need to watch paint dry for 5 hours before gold drops on your lap, and you watch absolutely everyone else getting rich with this method, with it only failing for people who didn't stay the whole five hours, why would you not do it too?

Why does a game suddenly become not good just because a lot of people can't wait until it becomes god's gift to gaming? Because you're an absolutist faggot, that's why

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>>389031067
>we dont know if it was cheaper, faster, quicker to produce at price point that makes it worth it
>but this xxx and xxx is better

>>389028381
>For me flawed games with great ideas are better than boring games with no glaring flaws but no uniqueness.
>Thats why i think most 3d zelda games are extremely overrated
These two statements contradict eachother

>>389029643
I said better. We navigate better and produce better materials.

10/10 doesn't mean flawless, you fucking dipshit. There's no such thing as a flawless game.

>>389033220
Of course, but OP probably means some pretty massive flaws that the reviewer acknowledges but passes on just so that they can give the game a 10 out of sympathy.
If they were minor shit, that sentence wouldn't exist at all.

>>389033220
yes its does, ya moron. thats why anyone who uses 10/10 is an idiot. if 100% isnt 100% then your scale is worthless

>>389033380
You're an autistic retard.

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>>389034506
an autistic retard out debated you

embarrassing

>Doesnt understand what makes it 10/10.

Its about finding those many special magical moments. The more you find them, the better it is.

>>389035439
>these parts i irrational overrate because of specific nuisances make it better then any other film
yeah i like boku no pico but, 10/10 perfect everyone will like it?

>>389034859
He likes to think so, anyways

10/10 is for level of enjoyment, y'fucks. Not "it's literally perfect". For a community that likes to shit on other communities, you sure are retarded

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>>389035650
a solid counter argume-

>>389035669
Tetris is objectively a 9/10 game (minus 1 point because it gets repetitive fast), yet I don't enjoy playing it at all.
Fuck you.

>>389035826
>Plays a game he doesn't enjoy
>His opinion being worth anything

>>389031419
Sounds like you're just defending this point because you don't want to give in. I don't think you even believe it yourself anymore.

>>389035929
I don't need to defend anything, it's basic human psychology.
>game starts off in an interesting way -> user gets hooked -> user sticks around
>game starts off dull as dirt -> user is bored to tears -> user leaves
It's elementary stuff. What's so confusing about it?

>>389024940
never ever exist 10/10 because the ratings depends of the point of view each person, OoT is shit for ones, Bubsy (not 3D )is a glorius plataformer of others, etc.

>>389036390
and some dudes want to fuck 8 year old boys, so, 10 outta 10. you agree with this unless your logic is retarded

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>>389025770
I feel like a rating system is relative.
10/10 should be the best game you've played so far.
Find a better game? new game gets 10/10 and a 9/10 takes the other's place.
An "objective" rating on a game only works with pros and cons, and not an actual number.

oh how kind of you to offer this free vacation, mr. weissberg. now that you mention it, this game does feel like a 10/10

>>389027779
If the game was perfect then they would.

>>389036914
No, they would not. Video game burnout is a thing you know. Eventually you'll be like "Okay, I really need to play something different now.", it's inevitable.

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>>389037073
...so, then the game isnt perfect, and not the 10/10 game we are talking about

>>389036140
This just proves you're not even reading anymore.

>>389037242
No. It's simply because too much of a good thing is not a good thing. We as humans want diverse activities. Playing the same game, no matter how good it is, for 500 hours is not a diverse activity.

>>389037303
>when the argument isnt

>>389025092
>Nothing can be flawless
Mother 3 wants a word with you

>>389037370
But a perfect game would have enough diverse activities in it.

10/10 doesn't mean perfect.
In fact, perfect games don't exist and will never exist. 10/10 is just very close to perfection, because even the best games ever have flaws.

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>>389037370
>videogames
>a good thing
>this having anything to do with being 10/10
hamsters would starve to death because the water/meth combo tube was nicer

>>389028381
Boring is a flaw

>>389024940
Resident Evil 4 is a 10/10 despite its flaws

>>389027472
Picasso is literal shit.

>it's a "/v/ is too autistic to understand that giving a 10/10 to an entertainment medium isn't the same as getting a 10/10 on a test" episode

>>389025770
10/10 is a rounded number imo, on an infinite scale it wouldn't be only the very highest number (perfection) which is 10/10 but a band of numbers at the very top. I'd say >97/100 is probably a 10/10 on a 10 point scale.

>>389037743
It actually is the same, I had an English teacher in high school who wouldn't give full marks unless the writing was better than hers. Considering she was a writer in her 50 with a master's, there was almost no way this was going to happen

>>389037778
>basically, muh scale is fucking stupid
ok

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>>389038204
if she could write better in the fucking 50`s and you couldnt? what was your argument? "is been easier then ever before and i cant match up, so give me an A"

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>>389038235
yeah, pretty much. was your goal to agree with me?

>>389038394
I'm 15 years old so give me perfect if I meet all the requirements of the class

But no, she had to have the /v/ approach to grading.

>>389027779
witcher 3 is 100+ hours even if you rush through it so ur wrong kiddo

>>389024991
>posts incredibly bad game that has only good control of the main character but otherwise shit gameplay and story
>/threads himself
Exactly what I expected when I opened this thread

>>389038567
Except Rolling Simulator 3 is not a good game.

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>>389038394
>why cant high schoolers write better than a 50 year old with a masters in english who has read/written more than the entire class combined?
pic related, its you