Why do you guys defend this game so much?

Because I have good taste, unlike fucking monkeys like you

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>>389005762
I had a good time watching that video

>>389005075
because it was fun to play
if you put more than 80 hours into a game that takes much less than that to finish, and come to post how bad it is, you are full of shit

It's the most comfy Souls game, and honestly even with it's glaring issues still is a good game compared to most shit that comes out these days

>>389005908
>if you put more than 80 hours into a game that takes much less than that to finish, and come to post how bad it is, you are full of shit
Just to play devil's advocate somebody with a ton of playtime would probably have a better understanding of a game's nuances than most others.

Because its the best Souls game right beside the first one and the greatest pleb filter that ever existed. The only reason to dislike it is if your IQ is lower than 90 (the average sonegro BB shill)

Defend from who? /v/ermins with shit taste? It´s universaly considered the best one
Also sage

>>389005075
I figured it out /v/. Mods just need to ban all threads that solely pose a question. There are 99.999% trash bait threads.

>>389005997
yea, but if you finished it and still played 50+ more hours it can't really be shit now can it? unless you are a fucking masochist

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Defend this.

/v/ has been bashing it for years since released.
Played it and when I finished it i was in front of a masterpiece and couldn't believe i fell for it. It's harder alright but none of the complains i read are true in the fucking slightest and a real stretch and cherrypicking.

When DaS3 came out was a true dissapointment.

>/dsg/ loves it
>critics loved it
>some underages on /v/ that saw matthew video dislikes it for the sake of being contrarian

hmm I wonder why

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>>389005075
Because its still better than 90% of games released in the last 5 years despite being the worst souls game.
The only people who needlessly hate on it are plebora tipping ledditors.

>>389006141
Shit is probably an overstatement, the game isn't that bad and even the worst souls game is better than 95% of other shit that gets released, I was just commenting how there isn't a magical threshhold of playtime that suddenly makes your critique invalid.

>>389006218
optional boss, you should be happy it's even in the game

Demon's Souls had 18 bosses, Dark Souls had 22 + 4 from the DLC.

Dark souls 2 (WITHOUT THE DLC) has 34

>>389006240
That was exactly my experience. I played Dark Souls and loved it, and then only played DS2 a year later because /v/ unmotivated me by criticizing it all the time. I played it and loved it, then moved on to DS3 and thought it was mediocre and very frustrating to play. The combat is fucked up and every enemy feels like it's designed to piss me off as much as possible.

>>389006323

The worst Souls game is objectively DaS3, its so bad it doesnt even feel like Souls game but a bastardized BB

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>>389006380
Exactly this. True I bought Scholar and left Das2 on the side because the technical issues on release and truly looked like shit. But when the deal came around and had all the DLC and lightning engine fixed and so on I couldn't resist and got a very nice surprise.

I mean DaS2 release may have been kinda shitty but it was patched and then re released now.

>>389005075
It was shit.

>>389006370
>DeS: 18 bosses - 4 multi bosses / 22%
>DaS1: 26 bosses - 6 multi bosses / 23%
>DaS2: 34 bosses - 14 multi bosses / 41%
Defend this.

>>389006380
>>389006240

DaS1 set the bar too high, there was no way the B team could do something similiar and with the same impact again. When I started to see DaS2 as its own thing I loved it

>>389006625

You are shit

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>>389006691
>DaS1 set the bar too high
This, no one could possibly make a worse fight than this.

I can't believe how much I played this when it came out at first. Replaying it now with scholar feels so trash

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>>389005075
I hate this game and it's fanbase with all my heart

>>389006660
easy, if you remove the multi bosses, DS2 still has the same number of bosses as DS1, this without including the DLC's, if you do, ds2 wins again

>>389006240
>having hype for ds3 when fucking ds2 released
I don't understand your guys at all. If anything I was expecting it to be the most horrible thing ever and it was alright.

>>389006109
There must be a way to set that up in the filter; any comment that ends in a ?, Is less than a certain number of characters, and applies to the OP only

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>>389006109

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>>389006976
But you're still left with trash like this.

>>389006370
>you should be happy it's even in the game
Why would someone be happy about bad bosses being on the game though??? More doesn't mean better

>>389006370
Of those 22, a good number of them are memorable and fun to fight. Basically none of DaS2s bosses are memorable or fun compared to 1.

I can't even remember a single boss theme from DaS2, But I can remember gargoyles, moonlight butt, Quelaag, Artorias, Kalameet, O&S, Nito, 4K, and Gwyn's themes as if they were playing in my head. It sucks that 2 has shit bosses and bonfire aescetics and 1 has good bosses with no way to re do them.

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>>389006974

Funny because DaS2 is the easiest and most fair one
You are just a nigger regurgitanting opinions that arent yours

>>389007170
You forgot the best one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tuWvGee4T0

Seriously, why was DaS II's OST so shit?

>>389007237
>most fair one
Refer to >>389006218, RRA is a garbage fight that is determined by whether or not you get inflicted with Toxin by his minions. Terrible and lazy design.

>>389007383

>let toxic enemy hit you
>woooow why am I poisoned

kill yourself

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>>389007308
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p9hoAyx3-0I

>>389007308
I forgot about Sif actually, that's another one that's in my head. I think Artorias is best theme but you also have good taste and I respect your opinion friend :)

>>389007308

Because you are literally a plebeian

>>389007527
One (1) song, when the first Dark Souls OST is an absolute 10/10 masterpiece.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gyNmoWxErHU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzWFWCH_lTE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bc0vmbmdexw
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xr54gJZk_nM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DgpYfCnLhAo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS6imkjmYcg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k95b29ip4HU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g5zSVzoAdpE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p5dTeRroCZI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cd1AKojS7Og
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpI-KeK-PQg

Each song in DaS has its own identity, whereas DaS II's is incredibly homogenous.
Official OST ranking: BB > DaS > DaS III > DeS >>>>>>>>>>>>> DaS II

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>>389007237
>DaS2 is the easiest and most fair one

>>389006804
Salt and Sanctuary did. Tree of Men says Hi, and Fuck you.

DaS2 is an improved DaS1, it is a good game but since people couldn't stop the love for DaS1 they had to trash the next one

>>389005075
Why do you guys hate this game so much?

>>389006475
>Didn't even feel like DaS game
Oh and DaS2 did?

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>>389007527
Ahhh yes...
so soothing...
so relaxing...
I feel safe..

[WTF IS THIS SHIT

>>389007898
DaS2 is the same shit as DaS1, how the fuck do people think that it isn't a dark souls game?

>>389007802

You suck at videogames

>>389007892
because it's bad and a huge disappointment, also the most horrendous downgrade I have ever seen in my entire life

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>>389008028
>this game is the easiest the others are harder, and you play the harder games
>you suck at video games

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>>389007825
GOOON

>>389008036
how the fuck it was a disappointment? it is the same as DaS1 but with extra stuff, at this point the hate for DaS2 seems like a meme

>>389007898
Yes

DaS2 doesn't even feel like DaS1 what the fuck are you guys even on.

>>389008169
are you kidding or you just never played the games

>>389008169
>I-frames are now tied to a stat
>World lacks the same vertical interconnectivity that made DaS so brilliant
>Soul Memory
>Designing things for the sake of being hard
It's pretty trash.

>>389005075
Baby's first game

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>>389007308
>Seriously, why was DaS II's OST so shit?

It was more consistently good than Dark Souls 1 if anything.

>Main Menu
>Things Betwixt
>Old Dragonslayer theme
>Looking Glass Knight
>Velstadt
>Ancient Dragon
>Aldia
>Nashandra
>King Vendrick
>Darklurker
>Credits

>>389007757
>Taurus Demon
>Seath
>Nito

Are you fucking serious?

>>389008324
This anon gets it.


DaS2 was a pretty good and fun game.
But it was a terrible souls game that shat on the series

>>389008302
i did and have only played DaS 1 and 2 unfortunately, but the 2 games were the same to me and i really like them and have played them a lot so i don't see why the game it is that hated when it isn't bad as other games who offers no replay value or challenging gameplay

>>389008492
stop samefagging holy shit man

>>389007035
because they fell for the "It was the B team" meme. Miyazaki directing it gave false hope

>>389008324
also
>no inspiration, lack of originality
>bland as fuck, even the map feels bland because everything is shameless ctrl+c and ctrl+v
>super low resolution 2d backgrounds everywhere
>npcs, bosses and questlines that are straight up copies/rehashes of npcs from demon's souls and dark souls, and no I'm not talking about just Patches

>>389008492
what the fuck do people mean with ''good game but bad souls game''

>>389008446
>That xylophone
>That brass section doubling it
>That ascending male choir
>That staccato on the violin
Seath's theme is a fucking masterpiece.

Not to mention Gwyn, Lord of Cinder is the best final boss theme in the whole series. Nothing even comes close to it, it's so good they had to reuse it in III.

I won't say I hated DaS2, in fact I put 400 more hours into it than the first game, it had more builds that were viable, more weapons, more bosses. Though like someone said more doesn't mean better. I had challenging fights that where memorable and fun from Das2, but I felt there was more disappointments with bosses. So many bosses where just humanoid +2 bosses, so many areas hurled absurd amounts of enemies at you. Though PvP I feel was better soul memory fucked it. Also I'm going to bring up the map design meme but seriously having things flow correctly and make sense is big for me. I also felt DaS2 easier even with the enemies everywhere all the time. I feel DaS is better cause it all worked together so well; the story, the bosses, and level design. I just wish Giant Dad wasn't in every invasion ninja flipping a mile and back in two seconds with 99 stamina.
>tldr I liked the first game better

>>389008324
it is hard but not impossible and after playing the first one the second wasn't as hard as DaS1, are you the same kind of person who thinks "anything>gameplay"?

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>>389008547
Nice try faggot. Kys

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>>389008324
dark souls 2 world map, and the freedom it gives you, is the best of all souls games

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>>389008680
I don't think so.

I thought it sucked when it first came out and dropped it at shrine of Amana because it was too broken. Got SOTFS last year and really enjoyed it, loved the last 20% of that game too. Also went full knight mode and rocked the double edged rusted sword, I was a monster.

>>389008567
>implying it's a meme

>>389008582
It sounds like a joke bruh

>>389005075
Because its a meme to defend this game, which is universally reviled. Masses of forgettable bosses, shockwaves and windmills leading up to floating lava castles ruin anything interesting this game could provide.

>>389008446
I'll fix that for you
>darklurker
>ancient dragon
>...

>>389008731
your version is very incomplete

I am pretty sure that a lot of people that played DaS1 didn't understand or know what the story was about

>>389008578
Simple, I strongly agree with all your points.
However I enjoyed the game whenever I made myself forget it was meant to be a second dark souls game.

Had DaS2 been the first souls game I ever played, by having no reference point to another game, I'd have thought it was pretty fun. Since I had DaS 1 as a reference point, I couldn't help see the flaws and how inferior it felt

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>>389008897
>>389006081

>>389008897
i think it's more a meme to hate the game with the amount of hating threads for the game and how much people get triggered because other anons actually enjoyed the game

>>389008948
You're the Chosen Undead tasked with ringing the Bells of Awakening, you then go to Anor Londo to receive the Lordvessel and need to fill it with the four Lord Souls. While you are there Gwynevere tells you that you are to succeed Gwyn by linking the fire, you then offer the souls to the Lordvessel and face off against Gwyn.

There, that's the story and its amply told to the player.

>>389008938
>le bad fight automatically has bad music

Aldia and Nashandra have GOAT ass themes. Doesn't matter that they're awful fights. Old Dragonslayer is also fairly strong on its own.

Because it's my favorite Dark Souls game, and I started with Demon's Souls.

It's the perfect example of how to do a Souls sequel, if you ask me.

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>>389006109
are you him ? the chosen one ?

>>389009091
i know the story but as far as i remember the first time i played it and most of people didn't know what the fuck the world was about, it took me 3 playthroughs to understood everything and their characters and why i was killing everything

>>389009143
Name one (1) song from DaS II as good as this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ukC3N1rkzQ

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>>389008960
I didn't enjoy mostly because of the shit animations, hitboxes etc, the gameplay was just broken. Also, the PS1 looking areas were a huge turn-off and ruined the atmosphere and immersion

>>389009319
You're getting baited. Ignore the autist. Everybody knows DaS 1 music is by far superior

DS2 is the best mechanically. That's just about it honestly

>>389009253
Nier took me take 2 play through till I knew why I was killing everything...

>>389007825
Bad roll?

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>>389009429
>I-frames tied to a stat
>Best mechanically

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>>389009418
That's not how opinions work, shortbus.

>>389009319
I can't knock your taste here, but imo O&S and Priscilla were both better themes from the same game.

Although I didn't list DLC Dark Souls 2 themes... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yKsmApkryNY&t=

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>>389009549

>needing i-frames

>>389009401
Fair enough. Guess you're just harder on games then.
Once again I agree with your points. I just think, had the game been developed by another company, called with a different name, and released, I would've thought it was alright. If it was a game "inspired" by DaS 1, but called a totally different game either way, I'd have thought it was an ok effort. Being called a DaS 2 what was totally ruined for me. It's just nowhere near as good. It just felt like a shot at fishing for more money

The only major downside is the reintroduction of the level up lady.

>>389009642
Yes, these games are designed around using i-frames and the fact that the amount you have in DaS II will progressively change is a massive flaw with the game.

>>389005075
Because it was actually good and I know from experience that people who shitpost about the game didn't play it.

>>389009759
It's a fucking RPG, anon. If warriors need str to wield big weapons, then it makes sense for lighter classes to use points to roll around better.

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>>389009745
What are you talking about? Emerald Herald is my favorite Souls character.

>>389009759
Not that guy, but it literally never bothered me.

If it did then I'm sorry. I don't really play Dark Souls for a specific amount of i-frames or the speed of the animations or whatever.

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>>389009903
Inferior to the Doll.

>>389009724
Yes that's a thing too, it also ruined the story/lore, specially with this cycles thing fuck this dumbass shit
Also hate the retcons from ds3 but at least the game is playable with better areas/bosses/npcs/quests etc and it doesn't feel like my character is floating

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Who cares they are all trash

>>389009850
Actually, I'd say form experience that people who hated the games started with Dark Souls 1 and when this game became too hard for them, they started hating on it. The fans like to talk about "fair" gameplay, but what they actually mean is they want a game where the player has an obvious advantage over the game. In Dark Souls 2, they made the game more equal and people hated it. as much as they don't want to admit it, the fans only like casual shit.

>>389009759
No they're not you fucking casual. I first finished it without adding a single point into the stat.

Maybe you're just bad at the game or you didn't play it.

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>>389008567
If you actually think Dark Souls 2 is above 7/10 then I actually feel sorry for you because it must be difficult being that dumb. And no this isn't opinion,it's objective. One day I'll make an 1 hour long video on YouTube where I release all the hard truths about this game because I don't even know where to start when people ask me about this game. I'd end up spending the night typing out endless paragraphs that would go to waste since all the 15 year olds here have no attention span. I've done it before. Well thought out posts that maybe get one or two replies. Why? Because I'm right and people would rather call me autistic and ignore my post than actually present an argument.

>>389009759

>what is an rpg

>>389009997
What about Dark Souls 2 ruined the lore for you?

>>389009998
So brave.....

>>389009903
This character is as bland and has the same charisma as a door
Also it's the Maiden in black:pleb version

>>389010053
i like this new copy pasta it fits the "i hate DaS2 meme"

>>389009903
She can be cool all she wants, teleporting to her and waiting for her to stand up is annoying.

>>389009985
>before playing Dark Souls 3
>people kept hating on the Emerald Herald and talking about how the Shrine Maiden was much better
>finally get a chance to play Dark Souls 3
>she's pretty much a non-entity and has no redeeming characters
This happened a lot, actually, where people would hype up something in the game and then it turned out to be shit.

>>389010028
Maybe ? I don't know I shitpost other games and I've never touched them so that's how I know.

>>389010053

kek thats a good one
saved

>>389010053
Actually, I do consider DS2 a 7/10, its still the best one though

>>389010053
>And no this isn't opinion,it's objective
holy shit hahahahaha

>>389010109
Something these games aren't, they're action adventure games with minimal RPG elements. In other words my i-frames shouldn't be dictated by an arbitrary stat because stat allocation isn't the focus of the game.

>>389010053

I've seen this pasta before....

>>389010252
>minimal rpg elements
Hehehehehe... I hope you're not serious.

>>389010297
I turned it into a pasta. Someone actually wrote it about Persona 5 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JiUb2ImpzaQ

>>389010252

>because stat allocation isn't the focus of the game

b8

>>389010252
>stat allocation isn't the focus of the game
>what are stat requirements for weapons and spells
>what are scaling adjustments for damage
>what is using upgrades to improve scaling

just because you can beat it SL1 doesn't mean it's not an RPG

>>389009997
Totally agree. I understand the whole deal aboyt cycles being a typical jap horror shit... but man did it feel cheap and lame for me.
This is more of a biased point though, I think. I can see how many people would enjoy the whole cycles thing, but to me, it just kinda made the whole experience of DaS 1, go from the feel of a sacred holy pilgrimage, into a cheap common shit.
It also felt very uninspired to me. There again, I get the whole point of cycles being a jap horror shit, and how hopeless it must feel to be stuck in a cycle and stuff... but man, really... to me it just felt like the perfect cheap sequel excuse.
Idk man. Wheel of Time did it better imo

>>389010112
What part of '' specially with this cycles thing fuck this dumbass shit'' you didn't understood?

Everything just feels wrong and out of place, like Ornstein appearing out of nowhere and no one ever mentioning him, I'm sure that the DS3 retcon of Ornstein happened because Miyazaki wanted to justify Ornstein being in DS2, otherwise there would be literally no reason for that.

The npcs are mostly really bland and dumb, no character goes hollow at all which is really shitty, if you kill an npc you can just pay to have it's ghosts and use it like wtf.

The absolute madman who directed ds2 also fell for the ''artorias is left handed'' reddit meme which isn't true at all and made it so that his sword(which is for no reason in a dlc) have a bonus when wielding with your left hand(even though the left hand does less damage than the right hand in ds2).

There was also that giant thing who confused everyone, there's plenty of people who still think that ds1 giants and ds2 giants are the same. Again the idea of cycles is super retarded btw

Is it worth a pirate if I have literally never cared about Dork Souls multiplayer?

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>>389010136
>This character is as bland and has the same charisma as a door
3/10, got me to reply.
>>389010153
She gets up fairly quickly. Her only flaw is that her dialogue Is separated in too many segments, making it take long to skip. But it has nothing to do with who she is as a person.

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>>389009759
Soul Memory is a massive flaw with the game. Each death decreasing max hp iteratively is a massive flaw with the game.

Not a fucking stat you can improve endlessly and upgrade like everything else.

Please, holy shit, let it go. There's bigger problems with the game.

Is weight not a stat?

>>389010470
every game is worth a pirate when you are a piece of shit

>>389010476
>3/10, got me to reply.
it's literally a half assed copy of the maiden in black with no personality that keeps saying bear seek seek least

>>389010562
I can almost guarantee I spend more money on vidya than you do.

It was fun and filled with goofy shit, as well as some great wow moments

>>389006081
Lmao nigga what

>>389010469
>Ornstein appearing out of nowhere and no one ever mentioning him, I'm sure that the DS3 retcon of Ornstein happened because Miyazaki wanted to justify Ornstein being in DS2, otherwise there would be literally no reason for that.

Or because yunno, a major theme with characters in the games is that they can cross fissures in time due to the flow of time canonically being convoluted.

>>389010503
>each death decreasing max hp
>a flaw

Nigger I got through the entire fucking game with 75% of my life, just pop an effigie when the boss is too hard you little pussy lmao

>>389005075
Its the one closest to being a finished product. Still not quite there of course

>>389010620
but i still don't pirate games

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Attunement is a great stat. Dark Souls should be more like Skyrim. What a great idea......

I'm completely serious here, is liking DS2 just a meme?

>>389010746
Good for you? It's still a shit mechanic that punishes learning the game.

>>389010752
And that matters, why?

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What's the DaS II equivalent?

>>389010776
Yes. These kids didn't get the memo that disliking DS2 is the more contrarian choice now so their opinions haven't updated yet. Give it a week or two.

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I played all the sousborne games + DeS when it came out in the west in early 2010.

An actual educated opinion

BB>DaS1>DeS>DaS2>>>>>>>DaS3

There however is something I really like about DaS2. It's the goofiness and the god tier PvP mechanics. They actually tried new shit unlike the boring shitstain that was DaS3

>>389010469
The DS3 retcon of Ornstein is because DS3 cannot get off of DS1's dick.

I don't see how the NPCs being bland affects DS1.

I never cared that much about Artorias so I didn't pay attention to that, but then again, a lot of things in DS2 are distorted from the sheer time that's passed between it and DS1. There's an item that says that Elizabeth the mushroom lady was "a great beauty".

I agree that the giant thing is weird.

But why is the idea of cycles dumb? That was in Dark Souls 1 already. You beat the game and immediately go to the start of another cycle. Dark Souls 2 didn't add the idea of cycles, it just elaborated on it.

>>389005075
DaS2 was a shit game.

SotFS is the best in the series.

>>389010812
those shitty co-op centric parts of the dlcs
you know the ones

>>389010726
Except that all other main characters ''reincarnated ''into different bosses, and this doesn't happen with anyone else at all only Ornstein, also, would it be really that hard to even try giving a hint about this? Not even on his soul, ring or weapon description?

Also, he had different powers, and stuff, wasn't just the same guy from ds1

>>389008817
Try using something besides your iphone buds

>>389009642
>Rolling in general

Get good, fags

>>389010868
Unironically this.
The Sinh fight just might be the best boss in vidya.

>>389010812
the entire game

>>389010856
>The DS3 retcon of Ornstein is because DS3 cannot get off of DS1's dick.

Boy... DaS 2 was your first souls, wasn't it?

>>389010469
There is literally nothing wrong with the cycles. Remember that the souls of lords weren't even created from the four big bads, but they just found them, which makes the cycle of souls a perfectly viable story. It allows the dev to tell the same story in a different period. And Ornstein wasn't in DS2, just people wearing the same armor as he was.

>>389010921
That's because Ornstein in DS1 was an illusion

>>389010786
No it force you to get good.

Look like >>389010028 was right.

>>389011051
No, Gwynevere was.

>>389008129
The fuck are you trying to say

>>389010852

Respectable opinion

>>389010812
I don't think there's anything in Dark Souls 2 THAT unfinished. This is like, crunch time shit.

>50+ horribly balanced enemies placed generously on all corners of the map
>completely dead A.I. until provoked, they never move
>each as large as your entire screen, massive hp pools each, incredibly fast attacks

>>389010868
I disagree with the first part and agree with the second. It was never a shit game

>>389010856
Not at all, what other characters that died in ds1 were brought back to life, or suffered a major retcon? Literally no one. Why out of sudden, Ornstein that literally died in ds1, didn't anymore? It doesn't make sense unless you remember that Ornstein was in ds2, and Smough wasn't.

>But why is the idea of cycles dumb? That was in Dark Souls 1 already.
It literally wasn't, that's just a gameplay feature.

Thinking that way the universe of all games with NG+ have infinite cycles in their lore, and nobody says that Demon's Souls and Bloodborne have infinite cycles just because NG+ exist as well.

>>389010852
A someone who had to drive two hours to the next major city because my local game store didn't have Demons Souls on release, I agree with this rating. But I'd actually switch 2 and DeS. They'e both great, but DeS isn't as replayable, plus there's quite a bit of glitches I notice upon replaying it.

>>389011112
I've 100% dark souls twice anon. It's still a shitty way to make dying punish the player further when the retrieval system already does this.

>>389011194
>>completely dead A.I. until provoked, they never move
Earlier versions of the game gave them all enormous aggro ranges and pretty much all of them would start chasing you as soon as you entered the area

>>389011313
Man you would've had a heart attack trying to play Demon's Souls then. The reason why 2 was so great was because it combined the bet of Dark Souls and Demons Souls.

175 posts, 43 posters

Hmmmmm

>>389011408
it's called having a discussion

>>389006218

This is getting weird, tons of DS2 threads lately and every single has this same image.

>>389011408
It's one autistic Canadian who really really likes DaS2. He's the one that makes these threads.

>>389011027
Nope, Demon's Souls, so I'm used to the idea of Souls games that are only vaguely and tangentially connected. Like Dark Souls to Dark Souls 2, how millenia have passed and it actually feels like the events in Dark Souls were ancient and forgotten history.

>>389011119
Gwynevere, along with all the enemies in Anor Londo. It's deserted once you break the spell, and given the gleaming golden armor that O&S wear, it's pretty clear that they were part of the illusion to make it appear like Anor Londo was still fine.

>>389011223
Two options: Ornstein was an illusion in DS1, or Ornstein in DS2 is someone else who took his armor. Both make sense and are fine to me.

Also, yes, DS1 did have cycles. If you take Frampt's route and talk to Kaathe, he says he'll wait for the next chosen undead to become the Dark Lord.

Demon's Souls lore was also cyclical you dip. You put the Old One back to sleep, but there's bound to be someone who'll come and wake it back up again just like happened last time.

I'm sorry you don't like cycles but they are a part of the series and have been since the start.

>>389011313
So ? It doesn't even punish you that hard because with the massive amount of level you get you can end uo with a shitload of pv. Having 100% of your pv all the time is what the game doesn't expect you to do. Maybe you'd have a point if the monsters were doing enormous dammage but you just sound like a whiny shit.

>>389011507
Almost like it's an irredeemable piece of trash boss design.

>>389011448
>it's called having a discussion

Kek /v/ don't discuss shit. /v/ doesn't even know how to have a discussion. Read the thread, /v/ just screams and throws autistic fits of rage while shitting all over the place

>>389011567
What?

>>389011627
I see plenty of discussion in this thread. Maybe you should stop projecting.

>Every faggot and their mother praises Bloodborne but hates Dark Souls 2

>BAWWW SHITTY MULTI-ENEMY SEGMENTS ON THE MAP! THESE ARE LITERALLY UNFORGIVABLE
>Bloodborne has swarms of enemies in like 30% of its landmass, with many of them being armed with projectiles

>BAWWW NONSENSICAL MAP LAYOUT
>A literal city has a fucking forest directly underneath it and is accessed via some stairs, where if you return upwards from a different area in the forest, reconnects to the underside of the same city in a different location

>BAWWWW BULLSHIT INFINITE HEALING ITEMS
>Blood Vials can be grinded ad nauseum and heal faster than literally any other healing item

>LMAO SAMEY UPRIGHT KNIGHTS WITH SWORDS AND SHIELDS
>At minimum 70% of Bloodborne's bosses are flailing monstrosities that thrash about and have everpresent hitboxes

Yet it's all good in the hood when Bloodborne does it, while absolutely unforgivable when Dark Souls 2 does it.

>>389011576
More like the same faggot who keeps making this thread is posting the exact same image over and over again due to his impotent hatred of one video game.

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>>389011729
Please, tell me more

>>389011816
>At minimum 70% of Bloodborne's bosses are flailing monstrosities that thrash about and have everpresent hitboxes
People call Bloodborne out for this all the time, it's widely acknowledged that Logarius, Shadow of Yharnam, Ebrietas, Gehrman and Gascoigne are the only good bosses in the base game.

Bloodborne also has: superior OST, superior setting, superior art direction, changes up the combat with an emphasis on faster pacing and much more interesting and unique weapons that each have two unique play styles.

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>>389011816
It doesn't count when A team does it
Based A team

>>389011647
>It's easy to get a lot of hp.
>You don't need a lot of hp because ennemies doesn't hit that hard
>therefore your complaint is stupid

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>>389011816
Sorry kid but it's been established by DaS2 fanboys that the game with the highest metacritic score is best and above comparison to other games in the series. Try not to be too upset ok...

>>389011530
>Ornstein was an illusion in DS1
This is not fine. He was just as real as Smough, drops his own soul just like him.

>Ornstein in DS2 is someone else who took his armor.
>Soul of the Old Dragonslayer. The Old Dragonslayer is reminiscent of a certain knight that appears in old legends.

>A ranseur forged from the soul of the Old Dragonslayer. The spear of the knight known as the Dragonslayer was imbued with the power of lightning, and shattered the stone scales of dragons. Strong attack unleashes its latent power.

How would this not be Ornstein? I's obvious.. Both explanations are bullshit.

>Also, yes, DS1 did have cycles.
no.

>If you take Frampt's route and talk to Kaathe, he says he'll wait for the next chosen undead to become the Dark Lord.
god dude you are hopeless

>There is an old saying in my family... Thou who art Undead, art chosen... In thine exodus from the Undead Asylum, maketh pilgrimage to the land of Ancient Lords... When thou ringeth the Bell of Awakening, the fate of the Undead thou shalt know...

>>389012023
>Superior OST
Only for certain bosses. I'd say this one's debateable
>Superior setting
Agreed 110%
>Superior art direction
I wouldn't say "Superior" so much as "More Unique". Dark Souls 2 is only so weak comparatively because we've already had two pseudo-medieval fantasy games. If we had three Yarnham Adventures games and one Boletaria/Lordran/Drangleic/Lothric game, it'd be different.
>Changes up the combat
Agreed, although Bloodborne isn't a sequel
>Much more interesting and unique weapons
Yeah, but so few of them, and a few literally just copy each other straight-up with mild differences. Also build variety is painfully inferior and there is a ridiculous degree of hoops needed to get your ideal pieces if you're anything but a Strength build.

>>389012206
The soul of Ornstein in DaS1 could have been a fragment. It would explain how he fell in 2 or why he is weak shit in both 1 and 2.

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Das2 does divide opinions, the real question is why do people defend THIS game so much?

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>>389012183
>Lowest user score by over a point
Can't make this shit up.

>>389012423
because the war is between 2 and 1 so nobody gives a shit about attacking that

>>389012147
That doesn't make my opinion stupid asshole. It's something I'm flat out bored of dealing with on subsequent playthroughs and I have a right to feel that way.

>>389012421
No, it couldn't. Also he was ''weak'' because balance. Smough wasn't really a big deal on his own either.

>>389012423
It wasn't as bad as ds2 so, whatever.

>>389012420
>Also build variety is painfully inferior and there is a ridiculous degree of hoops needed to get your ideal pieces if you're anything but a Strength build.
This is a fair point against Bloodborne and it's something I would wager all fans would be critical of since it's probably the least repayable in the series when it comes that.

However, Bloodborne's OST definitely comes out on top.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kA614N3IHD4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3V9zxXN1rx0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BihcP_GduOk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BncJ1yX-BgQ
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4uKdU19drsw
In terms of OST: BB > DaS > DaS III > DeS > DaS II.

>>389012206
Enemies that are illusions in Anor Londo, like the silver knights (remember, Gwyn's real knights were scorched into black knights, so all silver knights in DS1 are illusions) also give the player souls. Getting a soul doesn't mean it wasn't an illusion.

Also, the armor says it's reminiscent of a knight, and the spear makes a distinction between the Old Dragonslayer, whose soul it was forged from, and the Dragonslayer, the mythical figure who fought the dragons. It's entirely within the text to form the interpretation that the Old Dragonslayer and the Dragonslayer are different people.

What does Oscar's saying have to do at all with whether Dark Souls 1 had the idea of cycles or not? Here, I can quote a way more relevant bit of dialogue. This is what Kaathe says once you commit to Frampt's route.
>Fool… You could not be the Dark Lord. Enough of this… and farewell to you. I shall return to the Abyss, and await the true Lord of Men.

So he's saying that just because you light the flame doesn't mean that someone else can't come and do to you what you did to Gwyn. You linked the fire, same as Gwyn, and the fire will fade, same as it did with Gwyn. What makes you think it isn't a cycle?

>>389012526
It does when it's a non-issue and having 100% of your hp just turn you into a tank.

>>389012557
>No, it couldn't
>Gwyn did it all the time but Ornstein can't for some reason.

>>389012423
Because all they care about is PvP so they don't bother to see that the lore doesn't make sense and that the game was cobbled together by three different directors working at different times, and because they like Dark Souls memes instead of the actual meaning of Dark Souls.

Also because bosses have multiple hit bars and take a long time to fight, which means it's good.

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>>389012663
The only silver knight that disappears when you break the illusion is the archer in the great hall. Not him by the way.

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Which one was better when the following are taken into consideration: Build up, presentation, music, actual fight.

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>>389012754
>having 100% of your hp just turn you into a tank.

What kind of backwards logic is this?

So I'm just fucking retarded for wanting all my hp when I respawn? Fuck off mate.

>>389011816
It's just all the "OH SHIT, VICTORIAN SHIT IS SO COOL AND EDGY" reddit fags. It's really pathetic honestly.

>>389012872
>Buildup
Gwyn
>Presentation
Nashandra
>Music
Gwyn
>Actual Fight
Gwyn until you know you can parry him, then Nashandra

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>>389005075
>Why do you guys defend this game so much?
Because grading on a curve is a natural progression resulting from the diminishing quality of gaming.

>>389012663
The silver knights weren't illusion dudes, not all silver knights went with Gwyn...

>What does Oscar's saying have to do at all with whether Dark Souls 1 had the idea of cycles or not?

The thing is the line.''Thou who art undead art chosen''. This just goes over the head of everyone. All undeads have the potential to be the chosen one, therefore they are all chosen.

The prophecy isn't about a single guy at all. Do you want an example? Solaire. If you help him at Lost Izalith, he defeats Gwyn, what literally means that he is also the chosen one since he also did everything that you did, and he most likely kindles the fire after killing Gwyn.

When Kaathe said that , he was just saying that he would wait for the next ridiculously strong human to show up. Remember, there's 1 zillion alternative timelines in ds1, too(which I hate btw, and why Solaire beating Gwyn doesn't affect you in any way).

>>389012754
uhhh dude giving a shard of your soul to someone else isn't the same as cloning yourself or giving it to a illusion, also if he really did that then Gwyndolin would've helped Ornstein to abandon his post what makes no sense

>>389013248
This.
Fighting Gwyn without parrying is god tier though, he gives you little room to breath.

>>389013339
The idea that there are multiple Chosen Undead is like already a third of the way toward the idea that there are multiple cycles.

I still don't get how you can go "oh Gwyn linked the fire, and the age of fire faded...so when I link the fire everything is cool and nothing goes wrong after that".

>>389013502
As an avid fan of Dark Souls 2, I'm actually astounded that nobody ever brings this bullshit up when talking about reasons for why 2 is shit. Not the weird glitches like this one that happen once in a blue moon, I'm talking shit like those Dragon Aerie Knights that literally trackball their downward swings on top of you no matter how good you are at dodging.

Dr Rabbits World Tour

>>389013505
Dude what are you smoking.

When someone kindled the flame, the world wouldn't auto reset with everyone starting from 0 again like on Dark Souls 2, things would just continue the same, perhaps people could die again for a short period of time, but the thing is that the soul of the people who sacrificed themselves would slowly fade away just like Gwyn's soul faded. Come on it's not THAT hard to understand, and it makes more sense than the world starting again from 0.

>>389012890
You can play the game just fine with 50%-75% of your hp. Having all of your hp make the game easier. Thus having all of your hp is kind of like a super mode of sort. I'm sure you see what I mean.

Thus to
>I'm just fucking retarded for wanting all of my hp when I respawn
I'll answer: in DaS2 yes.

>>389013339
>Ornstein give a shard of his soul to Gwyndolyn before fucking off
>Gwyndolin create an illusion with it
>The illusion drop the shard of his soul

How does it make no sense ?

>>389013713
So git gud.

I liked it despite being a bit worse than DS1. I don't defend it, I just liked it.

Also, it was not a BAD game, period. Whoever thinks DS2 was really bad is out of his mind.

>>389013775
>>Ornstein give a shard of his soul to Gwyndolyn before fucking off
>>Gwyndolin create an illusion with it
ok now tell me
literally why
in what scenario
would something like that
ever happen
It doesn't even make sense that Ornstein would just fuck away in the first place, being that he was like the highest ranking knight ever, unless he was an asshole who didn't gave a fuck about honor or anything (his name on the files is griffith btw) If he really just wanted to fuck off he would have left with literally everyone that left Anor Londo including Gwynevere. Also in the case that he is an asshole, why would Gwyndolin help him?

>>389014091
Ok

>Be Ornstein
>It's been some hundred of years since m'lord disapeared
>It was cool at first but soon things were back where they started with zombies everwhere.
>M'lady of the big bossom decided to get out and to take refuge into some neighboring land.
>Since everyone else want to left too, I decoded to go with her.
>Oh this is m'lord daughter(male)
>What ? "She" want my help to defend the city ?
>Just a part of my soul would suffice ?
>Sell sure it's my job after all and I'm kind of running away from it
>Here you go my young """lady"""

>>389014606
uhhh I can't see this happening, also Gwynevere left with everyone else and not just waited for hundreds of years doing nothing on a room that she can't even leave because the door is too small for her

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>>389013775
>You can play the game just fine with 50%-75% of your hp. Having all of your hp make the game easier.

So what was Dark Souls 1 then? Just a massive fucking easy snooze fest because you had most of your hp?

You CAN play the game without ever leveling up too.

Fact is, I like it when my hp doesn't drop to fucking half lighting fast and I have to arbitrarily consume scarce ingame resources to restore it. The game has SM and there are genuine repercussions to all kind of shit that would work just fine in DeS or DaS.

Also who the fuck are you to tell me I'm stupid for that? That's all you've done is just beating me over the head with the same tough guy dreck like 'you don't need your hp' and 'enemies aren't that hard anyways' like any of that shit changes my opinion. You don't decide how I feel about anything you fucking bigot.

I don't like it as a mechanic. It's not like that in Dark Souls 1 or 3, or Bloodborne, and I frankly don't look forward to dealing with it when I play.

Leave it that way. Fuck's sake.

>>389013902
>it was not a BAD game
The game is a joke, literally.
The game was designed by morons. It has broken basic Souls game mechanics. That's basically the worst thing that could happen.

>>389012754
>>389013775
>>389014606
Gwyn gave fragments of his Lord soul. Ornstein didn't have a Lord soul. Big fucking difference.

>>389011194
Shaded Ruins definitely
>looks worse than some Xbox/PS2 games
>nearly nothing attacks you on sight
>nothing really interesting there and you can run straight to the boss without getting bothered by a single enemy
>Ornifex feels like they just ran out of time and recycled DS1 assets

And then there's Drangleic Castle
> unimpressive throne room
> random mask room which is there just for the hell of it and is probably one of the most obvious traps ever
> room with acid-puking dragon statues on wheels for some reason
> random Narshandra portrait room
> storage rooms here and there
> random "broom closet" with sublime bone dust
> an empty room with a mirror in it that is hanging too high for normal humans but has doorways that are too low for the larger characters to walk through
> another single-seat throne room/audience room thing because well, you have to meet Nashandra SOMEWHERE, I guess
> treasury which has all the gold neatly shoved into the corners
> room with the Executioner Chariot horse running around - don't ask why
> beyond retarded sideroom with a one meter drop in front of the door
> long as fuck elevator that only leads to the king's gimp room (no, that chained dude has no real lore or justification - just something weird for weirdness sake)
> there are a couple of doorways to the Throne of Want that are actually too small for Vendrick and Nashandra to fit through without crawling on their knees
>tons of visual glitches and level design issues

>>389016513
But nothing will beat King's Passage in the sheer number of graphical errors, especially in relation to the size of that area.

>missing and misaligned textures and geometry everywhere
>black void left and right that is just a large mesh that some level designer put there
>you can get a better glimpse at this mesh since you can look between the pillars in the boss arena to see the outside of the rest of the level
>lightning casts a shadow of the level on the nearby mountains
>rain cuts off halfway down
>if you look up in bow mode you'll see that the rain also cuts off at the top
>rain effect on the floor is just some bump map that has a seizure
>textures reused from DS1's Undead Burg that don't fit at all; probably placeholders they forgot to replace
>flag clips through pillar after a while
>the outer ring of the elevator platform is actually not connected to the rest of it
>why is this the only floating elevator platform, anyway, and how is it activated with a lever?
>even the fucking door to the passage doesn't work properly and the upper parts clip into the walls due to being physically impossible
>there's heavy rain in the boss arena but there isn't any when looking out of the windows

>>389005075
STILL playing it to this day. Doing my 8th character, going for NG+++

I never got that far before because I like to change up my character's looks every playthrough.

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>>389016623

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>>389005762

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Dark Souls 2 was the proper sequel to Demon's Souls that Dark Souls 1 wasn't.

>>389005075
I love Dark Souls II, not the best in the series but better than most.

But I absolutely can't stand cuckbomberguy.

>>389014956
Yeah Ornstein left with everyone else and leaved a piece of his soul to Gwyndolyn.

>>389015187
No dark soul was balanced toward having your full HP you goddamn mong. Jesus christ. Maybe differents games with different HP mechanics are different. Maybe.

>>389016039
Nothing indicate that Ornstein couldn't do that tho.

>>389017324
seems you like the same as thing as me with videogames, replay value, good shit dude, i too have beat the game like 7 times still not as much as with DaS1

>>389018665
Which has the same strenght as his full soul, and also gave his ring apparently
come on dude, not even the devs know that was just a random shit they pulled out of their asses, that`s like discussing dragon ball gt

>>389018808
Who tell you it has the same strenght ?

>Hmm, yeah, take one of my ring it will help make the illusion better and will make it stronger. I have another one anyway lmao

>>389005075
It's a game
I had fun
It has its flaws but what doesn't
But if you're aiming for hella bitch status then sure
Just know you're wasting your time and no one gives a shit about our opinions
And in one way or another we're all wrong
Just eat your fucking mac nuggies and play something you like
You fuckin' dweeb

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>>389013713
>Dragon Aerie Knights that literally trackball their downward swings on top of you no matter how good you are at dodging.
If you were less focused on attacking, you would have noticed just how easy they are to avoid.
I bet Fume Knight actually hit you.

>>389018918
>Who tell you it has the same strenght ?
the ammount of souls obtained when it`s consumed
>take one of my ring
>there`s more than one leo ring

>>389018665
>nothing indicates Ornstein couldn't do that
Nothing indicates that he could. The only soul that was split up was Gwyn's Lord soul. You're grasping at straws to justify a blatant copy paste of a boss.

>>389016513
>an empty room with a mirror in it that is hanging too high for normal humans but has doorways that are too low for the larger characters to walk through
dat demonic titanite golem in random tiny room in Anor Londo

also
>room with the Executioner Chariot horse running around - don't ask why
this is way more interesting recycle technic than dragon asses and titanite guys ruined exactlt same fucking way in every corner of the world

>>389016513
>>389016623
Graphically DaS2 is unfinished, but it's still no where near as bad as Lost Izalith in any area.

>>389022094
why do people hate lose izalith so much? i dont understand.

>>389022391
>It's blindingly ugly, to the point that it actually causes eye strain sometimes.
>Enemies are just haphazardly placed and reused shit.
>Shitty bosses.

>>389009642
>implying holding down l1 is somehow more skill intensive than dodging attacks at precise moments
That aside ADP is a horrid stat because there is zero visual indication that your roll is getting better when you level it and how your hitbox behaves like a ball and chain trailing behind your character when you dodge. It's just poor design, plain and simple.

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>>389005075
We have this thread every single day all day.
The discussion never changes on either side and people still come back.
At what point will you realise the futility of discussing this? Or taste in the series at all?
Will you ever stop wasting your time with things you don't enjoy?
Will you ever coexist?
Thank God for /vg/

>>389020763
>the only soul that was split up was Gwyn's Lord soul
M'anus too

First time player here.
I don't like how the world isnt connected and its really stupid even for a souls game to have no clue what im supposed to do. DaS1 was flowing ,DaS2 feels often like a chore. The PVE is a downgrade too with this combat. Also (im playing SotfS) Its ugly ,these bright colors in majula for example and all that """HDR""" ,jesus fucking christ. Also what the hell is up with all these statues that *blocks your path* ? Its infuriating,theres a fuckton of them. If they wanted to slow down progress they could find a better way or at least make a better game.

Theres a fuckton of good ideas and things thrown into this game but they are all overshadowed by its flaws.

>>389023794
Forgot to mention "big dudes in armor" meme is real. Only different bosses so far was the last giant and royal rat authority and they were too retardedly easy. I can imagine DaS2 babies crying at Sif

>>389023794
Also what the hell is up with all these statues that *blocks your path*
Yet another of Sotfs """improvements""" , there were only 4 in original.

>>389024020
Jeus christ. The branches are hella hard to find and these fuckers are waiting around every corner

>>389006313
it was a perfect storm of shit that went wrong.

-The first director didn't know what he was doing

-the game was originally more open world, Bamco said "no, make it more like Dark Souls 1" so they had to start over

-the game was developed primarily for PC due to the DaS PC port's popularity, and to avoid PC porting issues again

-consoles couldn't handle the game when they tried porting it over, and they basically had to start over AGAIN, remaking all of the assets and downgrading everything

-all this within a standard videogame development schedule, with very little if any extra time, meaning they hit crunch time and had to scrap tons of content and re-arrange what they had ready in a presentable, at least somewhat sensible way

-the team that worked on DS1 collectively moved over to BB after DS1 was finished, which was the moment B Team memed themselves into existence

-DaS2 is full of small King's Field nods that really make it feel like less of a DaS1 sequel and more like a King's Field sequel.

-Instead of Black Gulch there was a sequence of areas you had to traverse that included colapsed, upside down buildings, huge broken down statues of Nashandra, a cave with a dragon skeleton impaled on stalagmites and more.

-Tanimura told us what the point was in the design works interview. That being that they had to scrap their plans for the original map and slot locations that were already finished into a much smaller one regardless of where they were supposed to be originally.

>>389006380
>>389006475
>>389006893
First director was fuck nutjob who made skyrim instead of souls and was removed from existence (i also think he was fired from FROM), then Tanimura makes this giant fuck project but doesnt have the time or money to finish(probably thanks to nutjob wasting time and money), so they reworked the game and plot to work with what they had ready, and fianlly, it was made for the 360/ps3 for maximum userbase profit, but guess what, those consoles suck so it ran like shit so they removed their most wanked mechanic they had, the lighting engine, so it looks like shit 90% of the time and all of that deceiving trailers drama. Thats the gist of it, not 100% accurate but something along these lines, if you look there are GIANT pieces of unfinished areas in the code, far beyond what any game (even DeS and its missing archstone) has.

With this disaster, BAMCO loses faith on from and DaS3 happens.

>>389023794
>I don't like how the world isnt connected and its really stupid even for a souls game to have no clue what im supposed to do.
You walk down a path until you get a Lord Soul, how fucking hard is that?

>these bright colors in majula for example and all that """HDR""" ,jesus fucking christ.
Pleb taste. Majula is one of the best locales in the series.

>>389024020
They were added to fuck with Speed Runners. Considering that there's only two or three you even need to get rid of, it's really not even a big deal.

>>389007308
>>389007170
>>389006370
Best tracks from DS2's OST?

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiVSF2AAhkqdMICqoGgHZZoycaChLnTg6

>>389024020
How big would the shit storm be if From patched the original DS2 with the 'improvements' from the revised edition?

>>389024872
Aldia's theme will forever be my favorite DaS track. It's just so somber.

>>389023794
>>389024020
>>389024137
>>389024791
The number of branches you need to use in a regular playthrough is ONE. Everything else behind a statue is optional content.

>>389024993
I think it's at least 2 in SotFS. You need 1 to get to Ruin Sentinels and 1 to get into Shaded Woods.

>>>389006313
I just started it 2 days ago and ive never looked at DaS2 threads to avoid it as much as possible since ever. Now all i can say is:
>Worse PVE than 1
>*Blocks your path*
>Worse level design with nonsensical placement of areas in comparison to DaS genius
>New shinnier engine but uglier game
>SotfS only made it look better for ENB Series faggots
>Bosses are way too easy and slow (Dragon Rider,Last Giant,Pinwheel ripoff,Ornstein,Royal Rat) They are all too slow and stupid and only challenge in this game comes from multiple bossfights like Ruined Sentinels and stupid multiple enemy placement

Last night:
>FInd the coffin
>Have to fight 2 of Shrek's cousins
>"bring it on"
>kill 1
>"ok im going good"
>Get hit by random arrow
>*Le wild Pursuer teleports behind you*
>"What?!"
>ded
>2nd try goes smooth as fuck
Its like they do it on purpose to delay progress. The game isnt hard,its stupid tryhard

>>389025072
Ruin Sentinels are an optional boss, only needed to access Belfrey Luna or lighting Sinner's arena. You can waltz into Sinner's Rise without using a single branch.

It's my favorite game, it's my opinion you don't have to share and I literally don't cae what you think
>literally everyone itt btfo

>>389025087
>I just started it 2 days ago
>>Worse PVE than 1
Invalidated. I bet your SL is still under 200.

Ehh speaking of DaS2
Isnt the torch thing stupid or what? It seemed useless even in No Man's Warf

>>389025307
If the first 25 hours dont qualify to judge the PVE then you are just a retarded fanboy.

>>389025326
There are only two reasons to ever use a torch:
deliberately turn down the game's brightness to zero so it'll have some minor useage and as "key" to the sconce-"switches".

>>389025326
Torches are a novelty, used primarily in The Gutter (to see anything) and Brightstone Cove (so you can ignore all the spiders).

>>389025369
My apologies, I accidentally misread your statement as
>>Worse PVP than 1
Which does require more than 25 hours of gameplay to judge.

>>389025369
>Started 2 days ago.
>Already 25 hours into a game you apparently dislike.
Yeah that's believable.

How much content was cut from DS2?

>>389025567
A lot of people finish games they don't like from a series that they do generally like for the sake of completion.

For example, I powered through DS1 in a couple days and hated every fucking minute of it. It has the worst-designed encounters in the entire five-game franchise, and every single fight was boring as shit. However, I at least like if not love each of the other four games so leaving DS1 unfinished didn't feel like an option.

>>389025567
>dont finish it
>fanboys on /v/ dont let me have an opinion
>finish it
>fanboys deny my opinion because i "didnt finish it"
Get your head out your ass. Its not terrible ,its just a bad sequel in many aspects. More polish would make it a great game (what critics are retards think it is)

>>389025729
stuff that we have visual proof of:
the actual torch and light mechanics
connection between Earthen Peak and Undead Crypt
a completely different Gutter and Black Gulch
something that looks like a completely different Undead Crypt
giant lobster in Lost Bastille
a much more elaborate Dark Chasm
a more lively FotFG
a more forge-like Iron Keep which featured ideas that later made it into Brume Tower
a different, shorter but also harder way into Drangleic Castle through the aqueduct
items, visual effects and shit

stuff we heard of:
open world with Majula being an actual city
you would've used the Earthen Peak windmills as giant fans instead to blow away the poison mist in Harvest Valley
the Rotten was the boss of Undead Crypt, was strapped onto a table and would cut off its feet with the cleaver to get free

>>389025973
You can finish it, but I highly doubt if you dislike it that much you'll binge it like that.

>>389026423
See >>389025874

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>>389005075
Dark Souls 2 is the worst game but Dark Souls 3 being kind of an uninspired cashgrab of a sequel and it being the newest game caused a lot of people to flock to DS2 because it's not the newest normie favorite.

Despite Dark Souls 3 being an uninspired cashgrab it was still a better game than Dark Souls 2 though.

I like Dark Souls 2 because it's the game that got me into the series.

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>>389010856
>DS3 retcon of Ornstein is because DS3 can't get off of DS1's dick

How about Old Dragonslayer in DS2 lmao ?
They literally brought back a fan favorite boss from DS1 as a meaningless fanservice.

>>389007892
I don't hate DS2, it's an alright game despite being worst Souls. I hate the contrarian /v/ fanbase that started worshipping DS2 and declaring it the best one because DS3 was so disappointing to them. I also blame faggots like ENB and Hbomberguy who intentionally pandered to the Dark Souls 3 hating contrarians and praised DS2. So now I'm dreading that Fromsoft actually takes the Dark Souls 2 faggots seriously and makes a DS2 2.0 out of their next game.

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>>389024872
As much as I fucking hate this game the menu theme is 10/10
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qg2IGTQsvZY

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>>389026973
>DS2-2: Path of the Scholar
I would cum. The world needs another Souls game without Memehacki's involvement.

>>389005075
because it triggers souls fags when the truth is that all the souls games are mediocre

>>389026979
Yuji Takenouchi - Gwyn's Faithfull Knights
https://youtu.be/mtf-2nz6je4

>>389027349
Holy shit, that's awesome

>>389027583
Souls series unreleased and unused music
https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLiVSF2AAhkqefxaIjAUWmNOuZf-i3AoWD

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>>389024740
DS2's development got fucked harder than ENB fucks his sister, the least of which wasn't the fact that Bamco demanded that DS2 should be scaled down to the last gen consoles graphically which is one of the reasons the game looks like shit (the original lighting engine had to be cut)

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DeS>Bloodborne>Trash>Dark Souls. "People" who disagree you should return to reddit immediately.

>>389027652
Thanks, will give it a listen

>>389027954
I disagree because it's Bloodborne>DeS>trash>Dark Souls > literal shit>pedophiles that kill their victims after raping> Dark Souls 2

Haven't played Dark Souls 3

>20 years later
>people still discussing with faggots that had their first experience with the Souls games by playing this trash

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>>389027954
Demon's Souls is overrated and janky garbage.
>easiest bosses
>completely unbalanced grass mechanic
>no optional content
>worst combat, no plunge attacks
>worst weapon / armor / spell variety
>worst variety in weapon movesets, pretty much all weapons in a class share the same moveset

Demon's Souls has the OST and the atmosphere going for it. That's about it, the game's inferior to Bloodborne and Dark Souls in just about everything else. The level design and checkpointing is better and more consistent than Dark Souls but even in level design DeS loses out to Bloodborne imo.

>>389028304
>"*tips fedora* - the post"

>>389028304
You're shitting on DeS by comparing it with mechanics from games that only exist thanks to him and whose sole purpose was improving on DeS. That's as retarded as it go. You don't shit on FFI because it didn't had a job system, or the original Super Mario because you couldn't sprint. Hang yourself.

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>>389027793
What I don't understand is why they didn't use the prerelease lighting engine for Scholar. Clearly they already had the assets, and it's not like PC would have any trouble running it.

>>389028475
>and whose sole purpose was improving on DeS
So Dark Souls games haven't fulfilled their purpose I guess

I just really love the pvp and invasion system in this game, but I think that the pve is the weakest and has the worst first playthrough experience.

And I will also admit to really disliking it at first because it was actually too hard for me compared to ds2. In ds1, shield were just OP and they gave you great shields early on. I think the early game for ds2 is so so much harder than ds1 and that's one of the biggest reasons ppl fwlt it was unfair.

- one estus
- early shields suck compared to ds1
- dying reduces hp
- the forest ogres
- mobs
- slow estus healing

I don't know about anyone else, but ds2 was the soul series that really taught me to "git gud" and actually dodge properly. But I think the game gets easier because the bosses are really easy compared to ds1 except for the dlc bosses.

Just my thoughts as someone who still plays ds2 sotfs and has 1600 hours in it.

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>>389028475
>You're shitting on DeS by comparing it with mechanics from games that only exist thanks to him and whose sole purpose was improving on DeS.

Yeah but the point is that the rest of the games have much better mechanics at this point. Demon's Souls was the bee's knees when it came out because Dark Souls 1 / Bloodborne hadn't yet come out and improved on the basic formula.

DS2 and 3 also had some "improvements" but they also included elements that pandered really hard to casuals (which is funny because DS3 bosses are actually challenging so the game overall is tougher but it's still more casual and lacks the teeth that DeS / DaS had).

If someone enjoys a Souls game mainly for the atmosphere / the "feeling" of Souls and doesn't care about the game mechanics, gameplay balance (talking about PvE here, not the PvP which is dead) then I would absolutely recommend DeS. The atmosphere, OST and the way the setting is communicated in Demon's Souls is amazing.

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>>389028578
What didn't the Dark Souls games / Bloodborne not improve on?

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>>389028907
DeS has better level design than any of the Dark Souls, and it definitely has better encounters and and more memorable bosses than Dark Souls 1.

Dragon God >>> Bed of Chaos
False King Allant >>> Gwyn
DaS doesn't even have a skill-testing boss comparable to Flamelurker.

>>389029043
>DaS doesn't even have a skill-testing boss comparable to Flamelurker.
That's Big & Smalls. It's the game casual filter.

But i think DeS handles atmosphere and story better. I agree with you it also has more memorable moments. But the DaS games improved it mechanically, that's factual. Which doesn't mean des doesn't hold. You can play right now and have a blast.

>>389028907
I'm not talking about Bloodborne there because Bloodborne is my favorite out of them all. Also, Souls games and Bloodborne are different in terms of mechanics and general world design/setting so I wouldn't compare them

>>389029267
>But the DaS games improved it mechanically, that's factual
Yeah, especially DS2. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH no

>>389005075
>defend
>so much
nigga please, this game gets more hate than brink

>>389029358
Overall

>>389028792
> I think the early game for ds2 is so so much harder than ds1 and that's one of the biggest reasons ppl fwlt it was unfair.
The grammar I'd expect from a DaS2 fanboy aside, Dark Souls 2 was much, much easier than DaS. My problem with it was the boring areas and the repetitive, boring bosses.

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>>389029043
>DeS had better level design than any of the Dark Souls
I mean, there are Dark Souls levels that are on par or sometimes better than DeS levels.

>Dragon God >>> Bed of Chaos
Both are shit bosses.

>False King Allant > Gwyn
I do agree. But DS1 DLC had Artorias and Manus, DS3 had Champion Gundyr, Dragonslayer Armor, Twin Princes, Gael and Soul of Cinder which mechanically at least met FKA or exceeded him.

>DaS doesn't even have a skill-testing boss comparable to Flamelurker
Artorias, O&S and Manus.

Besides, DeS is also competing with Bloodborne which has level design that surpasses DeS along with weapons with a ton of moveset variety and great bosses.

Demon's Souls isn't a bad game, but it's definitely overshadowed by the rest of the games, it's the A New Hope of the Souls series : good in it's own right and spawned the series but there's a good reason people mostly remember the series from the second installment onwards.

>>389028515
> why they didn't use the prerelease lighting engine for Scholar

Because they didn't care for the product but the money.
Otherwise SotFS wouldn't be a separate thing in the first place.

>>389029267
The one time I've fought O&S they were disappointingly simple. Ornstein charges ahead of Smough and goes down easier than Old Dragonslayer, then all you have to deal with is a fat fuck with shitty tracking and decades worth of telegraphing. I'm sure his hammer would have hit for a lot if it landed.

Artorias fell into the same category, feeling overhyped and just disappointingly simple to fight after enemies in other games with less telegraphing, faster movesets, better tracking and/or move cancelling.

Flamelurker on the other hand still slaps me about with the tight timing demanded by his low-HP attacks that leave almost no room for error. Across four complete DeS runs I've never killed him on the first try.

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>>389028515
Beats me. Dark Souls 2 was a huge bait & switch in general.

>>389029420
Spelling not grammar

>>389029746
I have no idea where projectile swatting even comes in handy in the final game.

>>389029847
"Outside linguistics the term grammar is often used in a rather different sense. In some respects, it may be used more broadly, including rules of spelling and punctuation.."

Never played DS3 but are the attack controls like DS1
>attack in one direction
>want to immediately attack in the opposite direction
>char flips on the spot and attacks behind him
or DS2?
>attack in one direction
>want to immediately attack in the opposite direction
>character rotates around, resulting in attacking to his side first
That shit resulted in so many cases of attacking the air in DS2 it's godawful.

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>>389029951
It really doesn't, which is unfortunate.

>>389029660
In retrospect, i had a harder time the first time on the duo than Flamelurker. Thing is, flamelurker is random, sometimes he goes apeshit and don't stop using the same attack, others he gives you more room to breath. While after you learn O&S, you can repeat the pattern and deal with it. But at first, i probably died plenty more times to Tic&Toc.

>>389005762
>first I was disappointed
>then I learned to turn my brains off
>it's now my favorite game!!

>>389006141
>unless you are a fucking masochist
Where do you think we are?

I never understood the gangfest meme until I reached drangleic castle. Those half a dozen knights and three ruins sentinels in that small room pissed me off, especially once you open all the doors.

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>>389028438
>doesn't offer any counterarguments

>>389030587
>open door
>kill Ruin Sentinel
>gather treasure
>ad nauseum
It's tedious but it's not supposed to be hard. Only a retard would try to fight all five at once.

>>389030816
>it's not supposed to be hard
>it's supposed to be tedious
Wow, great game design :^)

>>389005075
Because /v/ is contrarian as fuck so it's now cool to pretend Dark Souls II was good.

>>389030816
The doors stay open so the ruins sentinels gank you if you walk past to go to another door, no to mention all the Knights. It's just annoying.