>Good JRPG >Not really a good final fantasy

>>388986015
>Good JRPG
Nah, the flaws of the game still apply even when not comparing it to previous FFs.

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No, it's shit, FF or otherwise.
I still can't get over how horrible Toriyama's taste in female characters is.

>>388986015
I'll be good when it's on the Switch.

>>388986015
Worse FF nigger. Better no nigger than a bad nigger.

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>>388986015

>>388986015
I actually enjoyed 13, my only real complaint is you have to read the in game wiki to understand the story. Sure it would have been nice if you could walk in more than one direction and the first 10 hours wasn't a tutorial where the game plays itself, but I can deal.

>>388986468
>MMOFF aren't comparable but that's a cute pic.

>>388986545
>my only real complaint is you have to read the in game wiki to understand the story.

This

It was completely fucking shit in every respect except music.

>>388986647
>>388986169
>>388986280

Stop this meme.

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>>388987479
>a game's flaws all magically disappear by changing it's name

The battle system felt different but it was essentially just ATB with a bit more real-time stuff due to paradigm shifts, like quickly changing to 3 tanks to defend against a big attack as it was flying towards you, or quickly changing to healers to heal up before it. It's a shame they had to abandon this kind of piecemeal approach to developing the gameplay with FF15, which really threw the baby out with the bathwater

>>388986015
It's bad all around. It has absolutely zero redeeming qualities.

ITT: Parrots

This is the first time I've seen the cast from that game posted, why does everyone only post lightening? That brown chick has a nice design.

>>388986015
Was easily one of the worst FF when it came out, but still a pretty good game. FFXV is for sure the worst one though and isn't even okay. It does absolutely nothing right. FFXIII has a beautiful world and high fantasy aesthetic. The soundtrack is also fantastic and really stands out from the other games. The characters look cool and the gameplay is actually pretty fun starting with the bartandelus fight as that is the first time everything feels like it comes together.

FFXV on the other hand has terrible gameplay with a shallow battle system that has absolutely no weight or flow to any of its attacks. You can't use your other characters and the story is complete nonsense due to having giant gaping holes in it, in part for DLC, in part for the movie tie in, and due to incompetent direction and years of not knowing what to do with the game.

Its cast sucks and none of them are memorable. The story falls flat on its face and it has the UGLIEST world in the entire franchise. It's Texas combined with FFVI's world post Kefka's rise in power. Everyone and everything in it looks like shit and your four K-Pop boyband members don't fit the rest of the world at all. There wasn't a single moment in FFXV where I actually thought it was a good game and the fact that they have to keep pumping life back into it and fixing bugs just shows how shitty it actually is.

FFXIII is very flawed, but it was also a finished product upon release and was more or less fully realized.

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i kind of want to play xiii but i feel that best boy doesn't win

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>>388986015
It's great

>>388989095
People only post Lightning because she's the only one ever acknowledged by the devs. And advertisers. And everyone.

>>388986015
Pretty solid game. It's hard to say whether something is a "final fantasy" or not because they're all different, especially after 9.

>>388989095
Fang is awesome and my favorite character from XIII. People don't like her because she is aggressive and lesbian. There are so many reasons why people post Lightning only.

>Snow and Vanille aren't memorable at all
>Hope is very polarizing
>Everyone likes Sazh, but he isn't really a character you would make fanart of and he's actually a little boring though likable
>Square really pushes Lightning almost as a mdoern mascot of theirs
>Lightning herself is very popular and has a good design both for cosplay and just aesthetically

Lightning and Cloud are basically the same character just with swapped genders. Lightning made it so that you could fap to Cloud without being gay.

>>388986015
i liked it fuck you
i looked great and had an awesome ost
the story is cheesy as fuck but i loved parts like the carnival level with the black guy and vanille, hell i loved everything with them they where the best part of the game, everyone else sucks

>>388989148
Lmao. I can't imagine a fuckboy cucking a giant of a man like snow.

Posting best song.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBoBO0YMBys

>>388989143
>praises XIII soundtrack

Guess how I know your opinion is shit?

>>388989629
lol?

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I'm re-playing FFXII right now with Zodiac Age, and man, it really was the last actual Final Fantasy game.

Doesn't matter if the gameplay is a bit of a departure from the the series norm. In all the ways that matter it actually FEELS like a FF game.

XIII just feels like it was Squeenix making a "cinematic experience" to cash in harder in the west.

>>388989629
Yeah no

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>>388986015
I had a blast playing it. Put in over 150 hours my first playthrough. Then I would play it for time and pass it in one sitting.


One day my little brother calmly walked in ejected the disc from the PS3 and said "That's enough play something else", then left. He said it was for my own good so I wouldn't start believing it was real. That's ridiculous but it was so comical the way he did it that I wasn't even mad. Never saw that game again

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>>388989095
I agree, but there is something unforgivable, this cutie, called jihl nabbat, appeared for a grand total of 5 minutes, FIVE MINUTES, I will never not be mad, such a waste

>>388990034
In a lot of ways X is more of a departure mechanically from FF traditions than XII is. XII is done in "real time" but is basically just the ATB system except you no longer have to command your units to do basic attacks.

>>388990034
>it really was the last actual Final Fantasy game.
That would be IX.

>>388990315
I think that is how everyone feels. The fans were confused and the devs seemed to regret killing her off because they started putting her into side material where ever they could. Was a waste of an excellent design.

>>388990337
that would be VII

>>388990337
That would be 10.

>>388986015
i skipped all 3 games because lighting seems like a shitty protag

how is xv im comparison

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>>388990407
A crime against mankind

>>388990434
>First game with no involvement from Sakaguchi from a director or producer role
>First game to not have an Uematsu soundtrack
>First game to not have an overworld
No.

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>>388986015
>it's a good X, just not a good Final Fantasy
Never thought I'd see this level of desperation again after Spirits Within, but I guess it finally happened.

>>388990698
What are you on about. Nobuo did work on the soundtrack.

>>388986015
>>Good JRPG
No, I appreciate what they tried to do with it, like actually giving a reason to use spell tiers even near the end of the game or role switching, but no, it's not a good JRPG by any standard unless all you care about is graphics.
On the other hand XV manage to be worse so it's not the worst turd in a mediocre franchise anymore.

>>388990698
In order:
>First game with no involvement from Sakaguchi from a director or producer role
wrong, he was the executive producer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VgkAmOVslQU
>First game to not have an Uematsu soundtrack
Uematsu worked in a team based environment that he himself did not dislike and still had full creative freedom
>First game to not have an overworld
Who gives a flying fuck
Your world map means exactly fuck and all when 9 on rails you on disc 2 and had less "post-game" content than either version of X

>>388991364
It was the first game to introduce new composers, he did less than half the arrangements for the soundtrack.

>>388986015
>7 characters
>3 of them look virtually identical
Fantastic design

>>388991445
Nowhere did I ever imply that X had a bad soundtrack or something, I think Hamauzu's work for X was far superior than his but Uematsu was an integral part of the series and IX was the last game he fully scored. X was the game where the staff and approach began changing far more than past entries.

As for the music, each composer for X did their own thing.

>RB: How did the FFX composers interact with each other.
>NU: We did not hold meetings going over fine details; I divided and assigned the responsibility for the pieces, and asked each to work individually.

>>388991691
Uematsu had a team he himself did not dislike. This is not the case of the saga series moving from Kenji Ito to Masashi Hamauzu.

Saying that it's not a final fantasy because everybody in the creative process that was involved wasn't involved in exactly the same way out of CHOICE is silly as hell

Better than xv that's about all I can say

>>388991901
It was more than the music team, this is the game where Toriyama and Watanabe began taking much more important roles, Kitase himself referred to Toriyama as the main director in an interview, when he'd only had minor parts in games like VII before.

IX was the last game that had all the trappings of a Final Fantasy game, I'm not saying everything afterwards is bad by virtue of missing staff but X was definitely the first game that made the most changes from its predecessor.

>>388991691
>I think Hamauzu's work for X was far superior than his
Well, Hamauzu is an actual composer who studied music like a motherfucker, not a hobbyist like Uematsu.
Problem is Uematsu is the one who shaped FF's musical identity, while Hamauzu is basically a guest composer like Sakimoto is.
>>388991901
Both Ito and Hamauzu are integral parts of SaGa's music, Ito is the original composer but Hamauzu is basically Ito's alternative, especially now that Sasai is out of the business, and his tracks for SaGa 3 are a hit or miss anyway that don't really meld well with the series' identity.
Same can be said for Uematsu, he did do the score for SaGa 1 and helped out Ito with the Romancing SaGa 1 soundtrack, but he's not really associated with SaGa music, same for Tsuyoshi Sekito, he did make a few tracks for Minstrel Song and the entire Last Remnant score, but he's not really associated with SaGa like Ito or Hamauzu are.

>>388986015
The battle sequence could've been better. I wanted it to be like 10 where you could use any of the characters and just scale the enemies harder.
they shouldn't have killed off cid and jihl. Make them playable or unlockable.

>>388992209
The most changes being the loss of an overworld. Because that's the only significant change that hold any weight.
There were definitely far more changed in 12 for the series than there were in 10. Where 10 is a reshuffling of staff towards the end of it's development, and the loss of an overworld, it is distinctly a final fantasy through and through.
Got your jobs that don't fit archetypes but which everybody knows whom they are, your spells, chocobos, battle system, customization, limit breaks, the checkmarks are all there.

Contrast that with 12


>>388992427
I do like Hamauzu's tracks in 13-2

>>388992427
>Problem is Uematsu is the one who shaped FF's musical identity
This was more my point, when people who have been integral to the series started getting diminishing roles it loses that Final Fantasy feel to it. By no means disrespecting Hamauzu, I prefer a lot of his work to Uematsu's particularly on X and he's still one of my favorite composers and would be my pick to keep going with the series since Uematsu seems to just work on stuff with Sakaguchi now but Uematsu was definitely one of the main guys made the series what it was.

>>388992783
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dkv10qgFaW8
I love this song and wished it was used more.

>>388992783
>spoiler
They're not bad, but they're a bit derivative, some are almost knockoffs of some SaGa Frontier 2 tracks, which created quite a disturbing dissonance for me since at some point I was hearing Feldschlacht in my head and was wondering why I didn't see any lightbulb or pastel colours, then I woke up and realized I was playing a FF game.

>>388992783
Nah FF10 was the first major departure in the series imo.

>>388993205
Have you heard his stuff for Sigma Harmonics? Reminded me a lot of Unlimited SaGa, I really like it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVJfVyYJTL4

>>388993503
Yeah, it does vaguely sound like Unlimited at some parts, but it has a much more melancholic tune, Unlimited was more on the happy side, outside of some rare stuff like Laura's theme which is some of the most hear rending stuff I've heard in my, especially if you play through her story.
Coincidentially, the stuff he did for Cattle Call's Legend of Legacy and Alliance Alive also uses a similar tone but focused on more "crystalline" and eerie melodic scales so to speak, reminds me vaguely of Alexander Scriabin's works.

I'd really like Hamauzu to do more of his techno/beat music though, both Tobal and Unlimited has some fine tracks in that style.

>>388994246
Are you a musician by chance? But yeah I think it's safe to say he takes a lot of influence from guys like Scriabin and Debussy. The Final Battle from X sounds a lot like their works.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VTxqsTfDgC4

But yeah his stuff on Unlimited is definitely very unique, still the only soundtrack I know to have salsa and techno on it. The final boss theme in particular is great.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ouv4aS_Pz2k

>>388994790
>Are you a musician by chance?
Nah, I'm just an amateur, but I'm one of those guys who really likes and listens to any kind of music and Hamauzu is one of my favorite vidya composers together with people like Ito.
>I think it's safe to say he takes a lot of influence from guys like Scriabin and Debussy.
I think he did mention in an interview that he indeed considers Debussy one of his favorite composeres, but then again Hamauzu studied extensively in Germany so it's fair to say he was molded by that kind of musical taste.
>still the only soundtrack I know to have salsa and techno on it.
Frontier 2 is very similar, but it's more on the trance side than the techno side, you should listen to his piano arrangements too if you're interested because they're amazing, SaGa Frontier 2 has an incredibly dense soundtrack in terms of composition standards.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gDsKfJbVsic&index=5&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPC63TtQtjQ&index=6&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wN1ySWuRMhY&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44&index=8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M1LtNKEH9rw&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44&index=14
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GEM-kM18WBc&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44&index=20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YwdW_SCkrxA&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44&index=23
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bfp4jErD-Qs&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44&index=27
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SEYwzoIBJJk&index=33&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O_BXei_mg8o&index=35&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8p28zth2e8U&index=37&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J8ayRHvdR50&index=43&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=65A8o7vMwVM&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44&index=51
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIc7YEq0Qas&index=59&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gOhtv6D-kY8&index=61&list=PL7DCAFC96D6B1FE44

>>388993059
>I love this song and wished it was used more.
It showing up towards the end just made it better imho.

>>388986015
Fuck Snow

>>388995671
I'm pretty familiar with all his stuff, even Legend of Legacy, he's one of my favorite composers. SaGa Frontier II is probably my second favorite soundtrack from that era and yeah his piano arrangements are all amazing, particularly the FFX collection I love the rendition for Besaid he did.

You left out some of my favorite Frontier II songs though.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1R16HVtDgrE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=USVgKQLYqSc (sounds a lot like Thunder Plains)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WxYrNVc_0qA

It kind of sucks that pretty much every game he has composed for is either divisive (Frontier II, FFXIII) or downright trash (Unlimited, Musashi: Samurai Legend).

I really liked his style on XIII though, actually now that I'm listening through his stuff again reminds me a lot of Unlimited.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNh1o2kduS4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNtglfbpRXE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LTj4n0L9Uh0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Th2jeYakyAY

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7clQpPHud9Q
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjrWjptj9Xc

>>388996221
True it was pretty hype when it came out of nowhere and it was used as the battle theme for that one area where you rescue Noel.

Have a god tier piano cover.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sqd6E-gX2J0

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>>388996583
>Unlimited
>Trash
You and I might share similar taste in music but it appears we're not on the same wavelength when it comes to games.

>>388996861
I've beaten the game, all seven play throughs, but the systems are way too out there for me. I was spending more time looking at a guide online then I was the screen. Maybe I was just too casual for it, I really enjoyed Frontier II though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UxQXXn5DMjI

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XIII is objectively a better FF than XII, IX, VII, VI, and II

>>388996367
I actually liked Snow.

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>>388989143
>Was easily one of the worst FF when it came out

I unironically believe this game triggered people because it's the NGE of the series. It essentially deconstructs FF stories by saying none of your drama matters or makes you stronger. It's an excellent game in what it does, convoluted story and battle system that shines in boss battles. But I understand this is the definition of a polarizing game. OST is good but too sweet.

XV is the simplest FF. Almost made as a reboot of the series. Best battle system (press O to cool) in any rpg but no matter how positively I see it, the barebones story presentation is always going to be a minus. Also God tier OST only behind Bloodborne.

>>388990034
>it really was the last actual Final Fantasy game.
It is the best FF most complete FF.

>>388990034
>XIII just feels like it was Squeenix making a "cinematic experience" to cash in harder in the west.

lol no. To this day MOST people don't understand what happened in XIII due to nature of the story.

>>388990578
>i skipped all 3 games because lighting seems like a shitty protag
>how is xv im comparison

Definitely play the first one, the point is that neither Lightning nor anyone else is the hero. Then they fucked it up in the pseudo sequels. XV is a typical drama, revenge, ascension to power and redemption.

>>388997018
>but the systems are way too out there for me
That they are, then again it is a very divisive game, like all SaGa games you either love it or hate it, but Unlimited magnifies this to the limit since it works differently from anything ever conceived even to this day.
Sadly, most people can't appreciate it even though it basically predicted and predated the evolution of the genre by decades, like most SaGa games do anyway, it really saddens me that so few people manage to enjoy it.
And Hamauzu's score was perfect for it.

>>388997437
I really enjoyed the first two Frontier games but even Unlimited was on the deep end for me, I understand the appeal to it though. Love the OST regardless.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tGxLl61qIi4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z2WHAbTlPrY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyleSEAz96g

You like Kenji Ito's work? This has always been my all time favorite battle theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=51PjXPBPWco

XV would have been a great game if it had stayed versus XIII.

>>388997776
>but even Unlimited was on the deep end for me
That's what it was meant to be, some kind of complete reconstruction of the genre and a fusion of tabletop and videogame standards, it's not for everyone to be sure and it has its flaws, but calling it trash is really not fair, that game is so far ahead of his time it's not even fun.
>You like Kenji Ito's work?
Sure, I have mad respect for the guy.
Prelude of Battle is a really cool arrangement of the original SNES piece, his recent work on Scarlet Grace is pretty great and even his Imperial tracks are really good.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQugYNKeecY&index=30&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfh
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfh

Mune ni Kizande is also a great Opera-ish piece, on the same level of Hanakakeru Tsubasa/Soaring Winds from Unlimited.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfhhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfh

Have you listened to his Re:Birth albums for SaGa and Seiken Densetsu?
He made some absurdly good arrangements in there, it also helps he played with guys like Masaru Teramae for those.

>>388998257
>XV would have been a great game if it had stayed versus XIII.

son you is shit
dad why you no acknowledge muh powah
get out son (cheesy super obvious dad sacrifice)
must revenge
no nocto le empire is too strong must train
not even friends acknowledge muh powah
must be all emo

>>388998632
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t0Vr2ySOOGI&index=17&list=PLUDqa6qgNinzbfdSXtus4oNKklx1JOcfh
Love this song, classic Ito.
>Have you listened to his Re:Birth albums for SaGa and Seiken Densetsu?
I've listened to the SaGa stuff but not Seiken Densetsu. Admittedly I'm really not familiar with his stuff outside of SaGa.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xImENaRN6rc

>>388998257
> if it had stayed versus XIII
wasn't 3 games enough

>>388998257
Nah. Would have been pretty much the same shit. It's easy to talk a big game in interviews, but he clearly didn't produce results.

>>388999046
You should listen to his Seiken rebirth album at least, he made some pretty sweet arrangements of some old pieces.
Ito himself is very fond of his Seiken Densetsu works, there was a small interview with him for an old Seiken Densetsu collector box, Kawazu and Ito himself said that Seiken Densetsu has a very special place in Ito's heart.
You should listen to his stuff because it's really the core of Ito's style, especially his tracks for the first Seiken Densetsu, I'd say that together with SaGa 2 it's really the essential work if you want to understand Ito's main style, after those it's SaGa Frontier and Culdcept Second for his techno/folk side.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2Jw6SiqgA8&list=PL2149E84C7B6EB300&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GFt2I2U3KVA&index=4&list=PL2149E84C7B6EB300
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkQVxOvbzN0&list=PL2149E84C7B6EB300&index=6
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vW8ol3X9Ep0&index=7&list=PL2149E84C7B6EB300

>>388999431
Story would have at least been less of a clusterfuck

>>388997346
>best battle system
You what m8?
Exist Archive has a battle system that plays better than this snorefest.

>>388999898
Have you played anything else by nomura? It would turn out the whole cast is actually the same person split into 4 by a terrible even and at the end they reuinite into one person or something equally ridiculous.

I have no faith in Nomura to do a good story personally.

>>389000038
Good point. I'm essentially saying one form of shit would be better than an equally bad pile of shit because I hadn't smelled that pile lately.

>>388999634
Thanks, I'll check it out. I really like that first piece, doesn't remind me much of his work at all but it's excellent.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcHDUmtdcfo

>>389000267
Yeah, fair enough.

watch out. best battle themes coming through

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DqnHO1L52Ec
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tW9Alr38Ha0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j6elXlTYy0w

>>389000325
Do you know the Romancing Cyberbard band?
They are a small doujin group that makes various SaGa arrangements, mostly Ito's stuff but also some tracks from Hamauzu, you should check them out because a lot of their stuff is really solid if you like Jazz/Fusion stuff.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sEIzdblJKyk
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZxKF1GxeOs
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-NfUsCbsmY&list=PLgXmPKW9nBfM7zmouYjrehx7JRYLFWvsc&index=3
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wb0nVjmSWmE&index=7&list=PLgXmPKW9nBfM7zmouYjrehx7JRYLFWvsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GPZBEypUEhU&index=25&list=PLgXmPKW9nBfM7zmouYjrehx7JRYLFWvsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lGlIyTmOphU&index=27&list=PLgXmPKW9nBfM7zmouYjrehx7JRYLFWvsc
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tK4QI1x43RY&list=PLgXmPKW9nBfM7zmouYjrehx7JRYLFWvsc&index=30
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmoKIuZp-L4&list=RDtmoKIuZp-L4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ut1RMpY1pzY&list=RDUt1RMpY1pzY

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>>389000835
It's like you haven't played half the series

>>388986015
13 was bad but 1302 was amazing and anyone who disagrees I'll respect your opinion but I had a lot of fun with 13-2 and I personally think it's near perfect

>>388999997
>>best battle system
>You what m8?

here's the thing, criticizing XV battle system is and will always be utterly pointless for one simple reason: we can't see each other play. The point of this battle system is how well you play. "Just hold square lmao" is just silly. Discussing XIII for example is easier because it's quantifiable. For example you can't five star all the hunts in XIII if you are not good at it. IN XV, some people making look at good as the battles in Advent Children. Others just spam O, get knocked down by giraffe and cry.

>>388986015
That's Final Fantasy 12, 13 was trash all around.

>>388997229
> get cucked of your fiance by Noel
> fiance dies running around with her new boytoy
> don't give a shit
> start a centuries long party until the world ends
he was a weirdo at first but he redeemed himself

>>389000889
>It's like you haven't played half the series

I was just posting the modern stuff.

>>389000883
No, but I do now I really liked that Erfolg arrangement as well as that Zap! one, probably my favorite song from Frontier I.

I really like these guys covers, they're a string quartet and they mostly do Hamauzu, Uemtatsu and Shimomura stuff.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DUmB37LTtg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lfz-EtMTV9o
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dh2VDpCnAn4

>>389001371
the modern stuff is the best shit, musically

>>389001448
Yeah, they're pretty good arrangements, I also really like their Hey! Fuse! arrangement, they're pretty cool guys.
And yeah, I know the String Quartet guys, they're pretty cool.
I almost forgot, you should also check the SaGa Orchestra album if you haven't already, they really did a fantastic job
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AL1U0GwZK4U&t
There are also three separate arrangement albums for the three Romancing SaGa games called Eternal Romance, you should check those out as well if you like classical composition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=levf8Y7T7x0

>>389002027
>the modern stuff is the best shit, musically

talk shit. don't back it up. neo /v/

>>389002027
Let's uh. Let's not get crazy there

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Hold on kids. Anon explains FF XIII.

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>>389004983
>Hold on kids. Anon explains FF XIII.
>anon is retarded makes a mistake and uploads the corrected version.

Story of the base game was great, pacing was awful, mechanics were shallow.

>>389005497
>mechanics were shallow.

mechanics of XIII absolutely shine in boss battles.

>pacing was awful

yes

>>389005825
Can't argue with that. The mechanics really did come together with actual tough fights. It's what made 13-2 better because they removed the long initial paradigm shift animation

>>389007479
>It's what made 13-2 better

In what conceivable way was XIII-2 better ?!
Defending XIII-2 is the lamest knee jerk reaction from XIII haters.

>>389007880
Woah now. I just mean as far as the gameplay is concerned. 13-2 trimmed some of the fat on the gameplay visually allowing it to perform more in tune with your actions.

I don't mean 13-2 was better, the second half of the game being a fucking fetch quest ruins any and all chances it has from that. What I was saying is that, thanks to the cutscene of you shifting paradigms not being a thing, you no longer are essentially animation locked.

>>389007978
>13-2 trimmed some of the fat on the gameplay visually

oh yeah they save you 4 seconds and deliver you a vastly inferior battle system. X-2 was actually on improvement battle wise over X. XIII-2 was a literally a budget edition of the XIII battle system. But people praised it because "muh linearity is fixed"

>>389008342
I don't give 12 fucks about linearity. And no it wasn't "vastly" inferior. It got rid of a major annoyance and that was being animation locked. You act as if 4 seconds isn't a lot of time. But I get it, because you hate 13-2, all parts of the game are bad no matter what they are. Fine.

>>388986015
even without the FF name, its terrible, get a goddamn reality check you mollusk brain

>>388986015
>group: okay, lets get out of here
>hope: n-nah, I'll sit here for a while

>>389008441
Not him, but how could you look at the neutered equip system and the needlessly confusing new crystarium and think it was better?

>>388986015
>bad RPG
>not really a good game

>>389007978
Switch during the attack animation, bruh. Don't blame the game for your own shortcomings.

>>389008816
I didn't say the crystarium was better. I said
>>389007978
>thanks to the cutscene of you shifting paradigms not being a thing, you no longer are essentially animation locked.

>>389008441
>But I get it, because you hate 13-2, all parts of the game are bad no matter what they are.

Bitch for reals ? The story is retarded, the characters are between brain dead and retarded. Continuity is fucked, all of the sudden Serah is a fighter now. Goddess etro is beyond retarded "hey this guy is courageous, better give him my heart". The stagger counter is useless, there is no Weapon + accessory combination. Ulti moves are out. The pokemon mechanic is totally shallow. Insane amounts of backtracking.

>>389008892
I'm pretty sure that still makes 13-2 vastly inferior to 13.

>>389009021
Nowhere did I argue that 13-2 was a better game.
I said
>>389007978

>I don't mean 13-2 was better, the second half of the game being a fucking fetch quest ruins any and all chances it has from that

Christ it's like i'm talking to a wall here.

>>389009108
See
>>389008441
So you're saying it WAS "vastly inferior"

>>389009108
>Christ it's like i'm talking to a wall here.

your point is that removing a few second long transformation is actually a worth mentioning improvement. please stop playing games altogether

>>389009286
My point was that the animation lock being removed was an actual good change making many efforts to mention that 13-2 was not a good game. You however are too intent on arguing about nothing in particular.

>>389009284
>So you're saying it WAS "vastly inferior"
see
>>389008342
> deliver you a vastly inferior battle system

So no. What are you even doing right now. Actually I don't care. I refuse to continue arguing about nothing. Enjoy your thread.

Is XIII-2 bad? I started it last weekend and thought it was okay but I didn't get that far

>>389009439
>I refuse to continue arguing about nothing. Enjoy your thread.

talking shit "mechanics were shallow" and get fucked is not arguing. it's a fetish.

>>389009547
Nah, as much as shit on it, it was good , because it was more of 13, which was a masterpiece. A bit simplified, but there was enough of the core to still make it good.

>>389009621
>"mechanics were shallow"
I dare you to prove I said the mechanics were shallow. You can't. Nowhere was I talking shit about the original game. Also the only reason you're getting a reply at all is this tab was open in two windows and I got a notification. I won't be making this mistake twice.

>>388986015
I think you mean
>Shit JRPG
>Average Final Fantasy

>>388986393
What was wrong with Sazh?

>>388987479
Have you ever considered that, instead of a meme, a solid majority of people just agree on the fact that the game is shit

>>388990974
XIII fanboys might just be worse than VII and VIII's

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>>389009547
Has one of my favorite FF villains just because he completely won and showed up in LR just to ask Lightning if she was still salty about losing.

>>389009978
>VIII
>Fans

>>388986015
>not really a good final fantasy
yeah shame it couldn't be one of the only 3 good ones

>>389009825
He had the least character growth out of the entire group. He's also shit in combat once you reach about half-way.

>>389010071
FF XIII sequels are some of the biggest offenders in the make up shit as you go along category. They made Etro do something totally retarded: literally give a random guy her heart and we have to be surprised that said guy went insane. Wtf kind of god is that ?

The sequels are a huge cluster fuck of logic inconsistency.

>>388986468
from the thumbnail i thought it was tactics ogre

>>389010329
He had no other reason to be there except to save his son. Also his dlc story in 13-2 was pretty good.

>>389010163

They're genuine fans. Forged in fire even. It took me one and half decades to accept that they were truly serious and even so I still do not understand them to this day.

>>389009547

It's good.

>>389010495
I'm not denying any of that. I just find it oddly satisfying to see the villain win as completely as he did. Not even Kefka really accomplished that.

>>389010687
>They're genuine fans.
>>389010687
>It's good.

FF neckbeards everyone. can't accept people don't like entries they dislike but defend a demonstrably terrible game.

>>389010495

Etro was described as a fool in the creation mythos that S-E published before XIII-1 released and she doesn't comprehend humans anyway. It's in character.

>>389010894
Isn't that just how the FF fandom works?

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>>389001180
I am playing this game right now for the first time and it's not good although fun to play.

>>389011012
>she doesn't comprehend humans anyway

first of all you are lying
>She was a foolish goddess who held great affection for humanity. Etro gave all of herself for humanity's sake, until she sacrificed her own life and fell into the long sleep of death.

secondly, bull fucking shit. giving the keys to destroying everything to a random guy is not "foolish" it's retarded writing.

>>389011385
Okay, first of all, she didn't "give" it to a random guy. Caius earned by killing the previous guardian, same as Noel would've. Second, the guardian needed it in order to protect Yeul.

>>389010894

I assume you added the "don't" in error. Besides I specifically said I accepted it, so I don't understand why you have a problem. Personally I think it's the worst video game ever made, but its fans are very clearly genuine. I would be a fool to try to dispute that now.

My judgment of XIII-2 is that it's fun, if others don't like it that's fine and everyone should make their own decision about it. As such I encouraged a person, who had started it to continue on their own, since they hadn't personally felt off-put yet.

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That's how i would rate FF series

>>389011341
Fuck Augusta Tower, who thought that shit was good. Also, having a fucking paradox in a fucking control panel.

>>389011385

>first of all you are lying

I'm not? She doesn't understand the reasons for people's feelings. She sees that people feel things and tries to superficially correct said causes. For example foisting reincarnation on Yeul, since she was lonely. I'm also not saying that Etro doesn't feel herself, if that's what you thought I meant.

>>389011487
>Caius earned by killing the previous guardian

Yeah no.

>Caius was made a l'Cie after killing Yeul's previous Guardian, succeeding the role.
>One day, Caius dueled with a formidable fellow warrior of the Farseers.
>an enemy army invaded Paddra looking for the seeress
>In Yeul's defense, Caius's opponent sacrificed himself to protect her.
>Believing he should have been the one to die, Caius honored the fallen warrior by taking on his last name, "Ballad."
>Etro, moved by Caius's dedication

Etro is beyond retarded.

>>389011610
>Personally I think it's the worst video game ever made
>XIII-2 is that it's fun

that's what makes you the worse specimen of the FF fandom. no one gives a fuck about people who rate everything either a 10 or 0. and suddenly when a game is demonstrably bad (since we can compare it to the original) you turn it into a subjective issue.

>>389012462
>Caius was made a l'Cie after killing Yeul's previous Guardian, succeeding the role

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>>389012540

>>389012462

>that's what makes you the worse specimen of the FF fandom. no one gives a fuck about people who rate everything either a 10 or 0.

But I don't rate them so. Most of them have things they excel at. 97% about VIII just rubs me the wrong way, but that's my business. I didn't even bring it up. I told you VIII has fans and that you shouldn't claim that they don't exist.

>and suddenly when a game is demonstrably bad (since we can compare it to the original) you turn it into a subjective issue.

Oh, you want my reasons for XIII-2. You can have them and see how little I value the shitty non-interactive battles in XIII-1 (But I'm forced to put it in another post, because character limit):

(Insert it here.)

However I can understand someone, who likes the combat preferring the original. That is natural. I just do not agree and find many other aspects to have improved, which others may also disagree with.

>>389013460

What XIII-2 did right. Some in comparison to XIII-1.

Caius - Amazing.
Soundtrack - Mizuta did incredibly and Suzuki gave it a lot of controversial flair.
(Chronobind - Second best minigame in the series)
Emphasis on interactivity - Feral links*, leader switching, live triggers, QTEs*, timetravel, jumping and mog clock all contribute here
Gameplay outside of battles - Good variety
Serah - Everything from personality to looks. Isn't one-dimensional. The arc was respectable but shallow.
Mog Clock - Every random/fixed encounter system should have this instead. Screw sneaking around getting back attacks, that wastes time.
Atmosphere - It's a mix of lighthearted and serious. Overall adventurous.
XIII-1's anything ignored - Thank you.
Timetravel - Freedom and allows locales to change "naturally" to give it an episodic non-stale feel. Vastness in time and technological progression adds to the grandeur of the game.
Monster system - Addicting and deep
(Arena - Cool)
Story - Progressed in a rational way for the first time since VII besides XII. The conflict is human instead of godly or abstract ideological world destroying plot for no good reason from some impersonal bad guy.
The ending - Loved it.
FF imagery/conventions - Made it fit the series better.
Battle improvements - Starts from the get-go. Paradigm tuning fixes most infuriating A.I. quirks. Shift animations cut and damage values fixed so you don't have to favor casting lightning. Leader death allowed. Feral Link and leader switching makes you almost feel as though you control everyone. (Personal only, but I'll take too easy over tedious any day.)
Noel - Likable and not quite one-dimensional either
Graphics - It's beautiful, sometimes even stylish
Explained XIII-1's ending - A bonus

*) I don't like QTEs, but these were inoffensive.

>>389013574
Mog clock is complete shit in Academia 500AF though.

>>389013826

That's true. They should've allowed the system to work in 400AF.

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>lived long enough to see ffxiii get praised on /v/

it's time to leave this wretched cesspool

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>>389014135
You already posted that earlier in the CoD thread, why are you still here?

>>389014215
what the fuck are you talking about?

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>>388986015
>Good JRPG
I wish people would branch out instead of playing exclusively AAA bullshit. The more you explore, the better the games get.

>>389013574
>Caius - Amazing.

Caius is fine until you get to Etro, the beginning of his story which makes it beyond retarded. A Goddes that literally gives her heart to a guy for zero reasons other than being retarded.

>Serah

All of the sudden everyone is a fighter, continuity is fucked.

>Emphasis on interactivity

wtf, battle system is nerfed as fucked, you talk about random shit

>timetravel

literally endless backtracking in tiny levels.

>Freedom and allows locales to change "naturally"

it's the exact opposite of natural. you jump from random map to random map.

>Monster system - Addicting and deep

you mean shallow.

> Story: The conflict is human instead of godly
Lighting is a merry sue Goddes, Caius is an convinitenly insane God.

>The ending - Loved it.
cheap drama. first game in the series with a to be continued ending

>Explained XIII-1's ending - A bonus
it's didn't. technically XIII-2 is a spin off.

>>388990337
That would be 2.

>>389013574
Everything about your post makes me angry at how wrong you are. The only thing I liked from 13-2 was the monster system and even that was dragged down by the battle system.

>>389014135
>>lived long enough to see ffxiii get praised on /v/

FF XIII was always praised by the people who paid attention to the game. A lot of typical /v/ vermin just spammed "lol shit story" and thought people gave a shit.

>>388990337
There are no real final fantasy games. Its just a myth the community made up

XIII or XV?

>>389014963
This.

>>389014963
True because they are so different. You can be furfag or edgy kid you can find your favourite one.

>>389014869
You should have seen it coming. PC gamers will praise anything that has decent enough graphics.

>>389015093
>You should have seen it coming. PC gamers will praise anything that has decent enough graphics.

that's now what I said. If anything XIII is a good pleb filter.

>>389014981
>XIII or XV?

XIII has a meta story and a linear progression with a decent Active Time Battlesystem. It's good if you are looking for a above the usual story and good bosees.

XV's is almost a typically classic story of a magical Kingdom against an empire with technology, feels like a mild reboot or reintroduction of the series to new people. Story presentation is bare bones and you spend 90% of the time killing shit. Good for new comers to the series.

>>389014514

She felt pity for him after the Incarnation summon. Etro acts on her feelings immediately, since she doesn't understand them. It's Greek mythology, so she's retarded just because.

Serah is sort of implied to grow into a fighter throughout the game. Just accept it as being a chosen of Etro power up, if that doesn't satisfy.

Cutting half the abilities and restricting the third party member to three paradigms is unfortunate, but interactivity can and does happen outside of battle. It was no longer a movie. (Equipment combination bonuses were never a thing I yearned back, but I'll grant that to you too.) The game is super easy and therefore trivial, I'll not dispute that.

There is a lot of traveling the same locations, yes. (Graviton Core quest in particular outside the New Bodhum can be done on first visit though.) New Bodhum getting four visits being the most egregious.

Naturally was in quotes for that reason. Nevertheless it allows frequent change of scenery. Function over elegance.

I don't agree. Infusion is rather advanced. Not that delving into the system is necessary though.

I don't consider Lightning. Caius is a villain. (And personally the way his powers are written to cancel each other's weaknesses is contrived. But I don't care, he sells it on charisma.)

It wasn't cheap in the sense that it was stated that what would happen would happen and then there wasn't a solution out of nowhere.
The story concluded Serah's and therefore XIII-2's story. The rest is Lightning Returns' stuff.

The party turning from Ciethdom was pretty sour beforehand.