Who is the best Metal Gear villain?

>>388984719
Big Boss.

>>388984792
Did nothing wrong

>>388984719
The Boss wasn't the villain of 3, you tard.

>>388984719
What's that guy's name on the bottom left corner again?

>>388984719
PsychoMantis

>>388984719
Solidus did nothing wrong
The boss was a cunt
Ocelot is an ok villain
Liquid was pretty good

>>388984906
Go to bed, Ocelot.

>>388984719
Liquid.

>tfw no Metal Gear Liquid

>>388985021
Warm Coolman

>>388984913
Come to think of it, Solidus wasn't the villain of 2 either.

>>388985021
Warm coolman

from best to worst:
Liquid Ocelot
Armstrong
The Boss
Liquid
Hot Coldman
Solidus
Skull Face
Patriot AI

>>388985021
MGSV Goodgameman

>>388985189
The Patriots are the bigger villain, but Solidus was still a villain.

>>388984719
not skullface lul

Liquid was my favorite. Killing him off after one game was a huge mistake.

>>388985021
In Outman.

>>388984719

But Solidus and Armstrong were not villains, as a matter of fact they were trying to change the status quo but faggot Raiden did all the shit The Patriots wanted.

Prove me wrong.

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Which unit was the best?

>>388985841
FOX-HOUND.

Black Chamber are underrated.

>>388985841
FOXHOUND. They got progressively worse with each game.

>>388984719
Liquid Ocelot/Liquid Snake

>>388985841
Foxhound > Cobra Unit > Dead Cell > Disney Reference Unit > guest starring the Skulls Parasite Unit

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>>388984719
Biggest plot twist in the series

>>388985841
The Joy, The Fear, The Pain, The Sorrow, The Fury

How the fuck is The End an emotion?

>The Boss
>Villain

She's an antagonist

DID YOU LIKE MY SUNGLASSES

MG2 Big Boss. I really like the exchange before the battle even if the actual fight is ultimately a keycard puzzle.

>>388986202
The End's codename signified the emotion he felt while on the battlefield; in his case, total oblivion. In battle, he blocked out everything except his targets, allowing himself to focus on his "hunt."

>>388984719
Hot Coldman is the most anti villainous

>>388984719
Liquid Ocelot>Big Boss>The Boss>Steven Armstrong>Solidus Snake>Liquid Snake>Woman Manman>Skullface

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>>388985841
Fox Hound, they also had the coolest code names

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What exactly did she mean by this?

>>388986802
Name one (1) crevice you can hide things in that isn't your ass.

>>388987004
your ears

>>388986701
>child soldier leading murderous warlord threatening the world with nuclear-armed robots somehow in the "good" alignment
when will this meme end

>>388986428
The fight is conceptually cool as fuck, but Big Boss doesn't move or attack aggressively enough for the fight to have the tension it needs.

I still think it's one of the best final boss fights in the series, though.

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>>388985932
>Black Chamber are underrated.
My nigga.

>>388985021
War Peaceman

>>388984719
Huey Emmerich

>>388984792
fpbp

>>388984719
spicy chillguy

>>388988386
HE THOUGHT THE INSPECTION WAS REAL FUCK OFF

>>388988509
>>>/lifeboat/

>>388988386
>implying he wasn't trying to protect everyone from a madman running around with a vicious wolf.

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>>388988129
With those names they'd fit better in a Megaman X Game.

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>>388987454
I agree. I often fantasize how a remake of the fight might play like.

>>388988631
It's a dog.

>>388984719
I like Volgin.

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>>388988728

>>388988386
Give the poor guy a break, Skullface killed Strangelove
He must have been really depressed after her suicide

>>388984719
as far as writing quality goes, The Boss is the best. Pretty simple character, but she was just portrayed so well.

Armstrong is my favorite though. Easily most entertaining

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>>388984719
>boss listed as villain
>no volgin

>>388984792
Venom?

>>388985841
dead cell are /ourguys/

Liquid all day long.

>>388991050
John Madden?

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>>388984719
Ocelot>Solidus>Armstrong>Liquid>Skullface>Boss>>>Warm Cooldude
>No Zero

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>>388984719
Liquid Snake was definitely the best villain out of all of them. He wasn't the best character or antagonist, but he was still fun, extremely well executed, memorable, and arguably one of the few on this list that is eligible as a villain.
>Liquid Snake was an evil British Batman equivalent of Solid Snake who had the resilience of a fucking Terminator
>Solidus Snake wasn't the villain of Metal Gear Solid 2 and the attempts at making him a villain were ham-fisted at best
>The Boss was never the villain of Metal Gear Solid 3 even though she was the unwilling antagonist
>Liquid Ocelot was what happens when Revolver Ocelot tries to ruse cruise being a hero while hopped up on nanomachines and self-hypnosis and therefore was an antihero and rival more than anything else
>Hot Coldman was only slightly less retarded than his name in terms of being a villain
>Armstrong was the closest this series has come to another Liquid Snake in terms of fun and memorable villains and even then he was just an overzealous nationalist senator who tried way too hard to be Solidus without realizing what made Solidus great
>Skull Face was an angsty, golden-voiced tryhard who made Coldman look sensible and was horribly overshadowed by Huey, Eli, and arguably everyone involved in Venom's brainwashing as villains

>>388991154
AEIOU

>>388984719
Death Stranding's main antagonist,
K0J1M4-AI

>>388984719
Volgin is the villain of MGS3.

Boss is just an antagonist.

>>388985378
>Solidus's goal is to leave a legacy of being the man who saved America by using the Big Shell incident to ultimately pull off what Solid Snake and Liquid Ocelot did in MGS4
>oh btw he killed Jack's parents and raised him as a hardcore child soldier who still turned out to be a charmingly dorky pretty-boy
B R A V O
R
A
V
O

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What's this armored old geezer saying, /v/?

>>388985841
Rogue FOXHOUND, no question. Cobra Unit can't be saved by just having The Boss, and Dead Cell's sympathetic background is great but can't compare to FOXHOUND's. B&B and Skulls were just kill fodder.

>>388988129
Holy shit that's cool

>>388992196
Cobra Unit made one of the best bosses in the series tho. Don't tell me you didn't enjoy fighting The Pain and End

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>>388988386
You're GODDAMN RIGHT.

>>388991050
>>388991507
>"Tell don't show" the character

>>388992328
I did, but at the end of the day, Cobra Unit still doesn't beat Rogue FOXHOUND.

>>388991650
>attempts at making him a villain
He's an openly cruel lunatic the entire game. If the creepy way he takes losing his eye in stride isn't an indicator, his apathy toward Fortune killing millions with a nuke sure should be. Solidus opposed the Patriots, but he was still an asshole.
>>388991921
See the above.

>>388985096
>Solidus did nothing wrong
right using child soldiers and torturing children and murdering people for pleasure is totally right, definitely the right thing to do.

>>388993276
In what fucking universe is that not okay? What the fuck!?

>>388992385
>the game series

>>388986701
>Raiden isn't listed as Chaotic Good
>Big Boss isn't listed as Lawful Evil
>The Boss isn't listed as Lawful Good
Shit-tier alignment post.

>>388986701
Big Boss and Liquid had the same goals and more or less the same motivations.

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>>388985841
Worst to best
Skulls<Beauty and the Beast<Dead Cell<Fox Hound<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Winds of Destruction

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>>388993276
>he wanted to expose the jews (patriots)
>bad

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>>388988386

>Solidus
>The Boss
>Ocelot
>Armstrong
>Skull Face
>Villains

They all literally did nothing wrong

>>388985021
Broken Repairman

>>388995243
Skull Face did everything wrong, and for the wrong reasons to really rub it in. Otherwise you're right.

>>388985932
>>388988129
You guys are alright
Ghost Babel is probably my 2nd favorite metal gear game

>>388987067
Listen here you cheeky little shit

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>>388986802

>>388984719
Solidus and Ocelot were trying to stop the patriots, not villains.
The Boss was completing a mission for the USA. Not villain.
Hot Coldman wanted to end the threat of nuclear war through deterrence theory. Not a villain.
Armstrong's goal was a strengthened united states under his own leadership and the end of media cycles and the aftermath of the patriots. While his motives make it questionable to whether he was truly a villain, his methods of mass genocide make him a villain.
Liquid was a terrorist but his threat was an attempt to retrieve Big Boss' body. His role as a villain is questionable, it seemed more like he just wanted to show up Big Boss and Solid Snake more than actual terrorism or conquest. His methods make him a villain though.
Skullface was an actual villain. His goal was global conquest by controlling every nuke on earth. And his side goal was terrorism through the death of every english speaker. His motive being revenge. What a bad guy.
Volgin was actual bad, too. That's made clear in every scene he's in, there's no potentially positive motive behind his actions he's just a tyrannical jerk.
Finally, Big Boss was a terrorist bent on eternal war and a world full of soldiers fighting that constant war. He acquired every remaining nuke as a means to his goal. Out of every villain he was the most successful because was farthest along with his plans before being stopped, and the scope of his plan was the most destructive.

So probably...
1. Big Boss
2. Skullface
3. Volgin

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>>388989581
GIVE ME HER FUCKING NAME RIGHT NOW, I NEED TO EXPLODE NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>388997837
Only for you Kakyoin, her name is Bella Bellz

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>>388992385
Kojima knows he's too much of a hack to actually depict any of those events, probably ran out of shitty action movies to rip off

>>388998661
Thanks fellow f@ggot

>>388985021
Thin Thickman

>>388992102
AAAAAAAAAAGGGGHHHHH LIQUIIIIIIIIIIIIID

>>388986202
Pain isn't an emotion either, it's sensory response. If pain is an emotion so is hot and ticklish.

>>388994347
>Big Boss
>lawful
wat

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>>388999517
Pain is an emotion, distinct from physical pain

>>388999736
No.
Pain can cause you to feel anger, or sadness, or pleasure, but pain itself is not an emotion

>>388999517
>>388999736
Thought about it a bit. It's quite an odd topic. On one hand pain is a stimulus... on the other, it's fairly universal. Just as you can mask sadness, you can mask pain - but you can also tell pain or sadness from someone's expression.

>>388999618
There's no mistake there. As a DM, lawful does not always imply following the laws of a nation, but it can mean adherence to a systematic code of ethics, the rules of an organization, or a personal code of honor. Mercenaries are usually lawful evil, but Big Boss is a different beast in the sense that he has a personal code of honor and his more villainous plans are systematic and diabolical than just being some faggot that slaughters and causes mayhem needlessly. Everything you learn about Big Boss from the throwbacks to the MSX games during MGS1 and everything that follows in the rest of the series builds him up as a Lawful Evil character, which is shown through his methods, his goals, his personality, his actions, and the company he keeps and those that still act for him after his alleged death.

>>388999858
I wouldn't sound so confident if I were you, considering that you're failing to post any general responses to pain.

"argh I fell off my bike"
>"I feel sad now"
>"I'm angery!!!"
>"whoa this feels good"

Pain is just pain. Those are extra, uncommon reactions.

>>388998901
i don't remember her doing this?

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>>389000509
aggghhhhhh...

>>388999858
Internal, mental/emotional pain is a thing.

>>388991650
My favorite part showing liquid ocelot was right after Snake and Liquids fight with RAY and REX and liquid runs away laughing at snake while he's limping trying to shoot him

>>389000509
>can
Doesn't mean it always does. It certainly makes a person upset. It causes the emotion, but is not an emotion itself any more than sex is an emotion.

>>389000856
Why was mgs4 so fucked tonally
>"Soon enough every man, woman and child will be part of the war economy"
>a torrent of shit pours out of johnny's ass in the background