>he fell for the 4K meme

>>388979220
8k 144hz when

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>tfw in 20 years 1080p will be considered unplayable by modern vidya standards

>>388979343
It already is, poorfag.

I bought the big black dick of 4k gaming televisions and I love it. Poeple come to my house to play and watch HDR movies because lil white dick televisions can't compete.

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>He fell for LCD meme

>>388979343
it already is. once you try 1440p, you cant go back

>>388979343

Its already just about there.

>>388979343
>tfw we will have to modify our eyes be able to notice 4k close range

>>388979220
rockin 1080p @144hz for another 2-3 years then moving to 1440p @ 144hz

>>388979220
Don't you eventually hit a point where resolution is indistinguishable at a certain size. Like 4k and 1080 have no visible difference below 18in

>>388979220
I'm waiting for 16k

It'll never end, will it? Another generation of systems will spend most of their processing power outputting a higher resolution instead of making better games. All so TV companies can keep raking in the dough.

FML.

>>388979343
1080p is already the equivalent of what 720p was 8 years ago.

>>388979594

Yes, but dumbasses keep falling for marketing. For PC it makes sense since you're so close to the monitor. For consoles. not so much.

>>388979760
>Consoles will still keep attempting to chug along with shit that looks good in screenshots but will never run at a stable framerate for another gen
At least most shit is getting PC ports these days, christ.

>>388979760
This meme can't go past 8k. Even 8k in a living room is overkill borderline overkill.

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>>388979594
Retards like to waste money on numbers, not actual functionality. 1080p/60fps is industry standard for a reason, you literally cannot process more than that.

>>388979771
HDTV was a mistake. We were happy with 480i for decades, now I need a new tv every year just to watch Maury.

looks like shit

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>>388979921
>60 fps
>you literally cannot process more than that.

>>388979921
why do white people love mayo so much?

>>388979940
No one was happy with it, monitors have been in high definition since before you were born, nevermind the resolution on projectors.

I have a 4k TV but I think it's a dumb meme.
There's almost no difference unless you're like 2 feet from a 60 inch screen

>>388979921
Technically we can process 24fps and 540p per eye do with both eyes it is 48fps and 1080p. They just use 60hz for technical reasons.

>>388979220
>No US release
How will burgers ever recover

>>388979760
At least there's Nintendo

>>388979921
wrong

>>388980128
ever tought about using glasses?

12k is the endgame resolution for a human being. Anything above that is audiophile level of delusional.

>>388980231
I have almost superhuman eyesight.
Go away LG shill

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8k is worthless. You need a 55" TV for 4k at standard 6+ foot viewing range already, even then that's a stretch at best. I was dumb and bought a 49KU7000 last year, HDR is noticable, but on the couch I can barely tell the differnce between 1080p uprendered and 4k.

>>388979220
does it have 144 HZ?

>>388980110
>high definition since before you were born
No they haven't, kid.

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>tfw happy with 720p

just make OLED not shit please

please

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>>388979343
>tfw still fine with 720p and have no problem playing PS2/Gamecube games at their original resolution

>>388979220
anybody who isnt a retard knows that 4k is a giant meme

1440p is where it's at

I think 1440p won't suffer the same fate as 1080p will and here's why: At 24 inches, 1080p has noticeable jaggies. Anything above 24 inches is just going to naturally be more niche due to desk space and application. The majority of people currently own a 24 inch monitor and its a popular convention that resolution won't be changing anytime soon. 1440p at 24 inches has more detail than you can focus. Hence, Anything above 1440p is unnecessary for gaming, and what is necessary for gaming is what drives the tech push. No gaming, no push.

>>388979220
>Now three times more likely to give you a headache from staring at it for a few hours or your money back guaranteed

>>388980538
Enjoy having to buy a new screen every 4 months after the screen is burnt out

>>388980604
my friend just bought some ~30" inch TV for almost $200 and it was only 720p

i think that's retarded

>>388980764
that's what I meant by "make OLED not shit", smartass

supposedly Samsung had made some advancements there though, Quantum LEDs they're calling it

3-4 year and we might have affordable monitors with true blacks and high refresh rates

>>388980889
QLED is not OLED, just a shinnier IPS panel
it's shit

remember when plasma tvs were a thing?

>>388980356
I need to explain to you how a cathode-ray tube monitor works before I prove to you that it existed. A CRT doesn't have what we refer to today as "native resolution". Any resolution to the moire point will be displayed with a 1:1 dot matrix, because CRTs use a photon gun, rather than fixed diodes that turn on by command. The gun has to be color calibrated and aimed at each pixel point and it does this at thousands of times a second. When moving so fast, what you see is an illusion: a complete image that is actually from different periods of time blurred together, hence, whatever the moire point is, aka how many inches the monitor is, determines the "max" resolution.
A 17 inch monitor from 1990 could do 720p. Problem? No hardware was capable of driving such a resolution. Blame IBM and Apple. A 21 inch could do 1080p.

>>388980889
>>388980994
Quantom Dot display has the best blues of any monitor. Nothing can compare.

>>388981006
You could put a modern take on the Plasma TV and you'd get something nicer than the best OLED just out of R&D. Long live that gaseous screen.

>>388980889
>3-4 year
That's really optimistic. The push for 3D just a couple years ago, 4K and soon 8K should clue you about the state of the art of TVs.

Spoilers: We've hit a wall on pretty much everything for the moment. Enjoy your linear upgrades and occasional gimmicks. There's a drought right after HDR.

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>just bought a 75" 4k SUHD
fuk

>>388981160
>blues
Into the trash

>>388981171
>putting a tv right next to your window
enjoy your glare

>>388981217
Have fun with oversaturated greens LCDcuck

>>388980994
Fuck, I'm dumb. I thought Quantum Dot and Quantum LED were two different things for some reason.

>>388981171
for a second I thought this was my sverigetråden tab on /int/

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>>388979220
>8k
>7680x4320px

press F to pay respects

http://www.techradar.com/news/computing-components/peripherals/whatever-happened-to-sed-tv-173620

>>388981484
they round up

1080p is technically "2K"

>>388979921
A wider color gamut and HDR make a world of difference. Don't be that "dude standard definition is fine you can't tell the difference anyway" guy.

>>388979343
>tfw i still have a 720p tv

>>388980492
Chris is a good girl.

>>388981484
The Jews thought it would be a good marketing ploy to steal theater screen terminology and apply it to TV resolutions. True 8K would be 8192 x 4320. 4K would be 4096 x 2160. A 2K or standard movie theater uses 2048 x 1080.

>>388981016
You can literally see the pixels on an old CRT, the red, blue and green ones if you look really closely.

>>388979450
fuck. yes. mah nig

>>388979921
>1080p/60fps is industry standard for a reason
>a "standard" that most console games never reach

:hmm:

>>388979220
Man, I sure love scaling artifacts for literally everything that'd I'd watch on TV like that

>>388979220
There will never be a peak in resolution and clarity until someone nukes the world and we have to do a hard restart.

>>388981643
Those aren't pixels, those are called dots. The reason you can see them is because there's generally less than a thousand of them in either dimension. Today, if you drove these monitors to their max potential, 17 inch being 1280 x 960 at 72 Hz, you'd get a pretty picture.

>>388979343
I doubt we'll have screens in the conventional sense in 20 years

full dive here i come

>>388981283
I use CRT
Have fun with your meme technology

>>388980827
It is retarded. What a fucking moron

>>388981694
>implying even half of PC players can hit that

>>388981564
wide color gamut displays are a pain in the ass to calibrate. Almost everything is made to look right on 8 bit panels..

>>388979884
And the ones that don't come to PC (Japanese games), they rarely push graphical boundaries, so they will run at 1080p until the end of time. Provided that Best Korea doesn't go ballistic and sends Japan to the stone age when that happens.

>>388981858
>Gaussian blur

>>388980287
>lg shill

he didnt even mention a brand, neither did you, stop being retarded

>>388981816
Dots, yeah. Regardless, they are the physical limit for the CRT resolution. Which is the native resolution, I guess, though CRTs do scale nicer than LCDs.

>>388981858
Ooga booga, you play Rock? Only have Stonestation, me no get exclusive. How Rock?

>>388981160
>Quantom Dot
Quantom Dot VA panels should be the fucking norme

Better viewing angles than TN
Absolutely stunning contrast that only OLED and CRTs acan compete
Responde time faster than ips although this slower than TN
No shitty lightbleeds or IPS glow

It's fantastic

>>388981171
That entertainment stand looks like its from the 90s

>>388981974
REEEEEEEEEEEEE

4k is the absolute ceiling for home media consumption for at least a decade
35mm films are only being scanned into 4k encodes and Vidya is going to continue to become more and more complex now that the resolution ceiling has been set in place

You'll see PCs running AAA games at 8k 60fps in like 2025 maybe, on the 2580ti. 4k is here to stay, and scientifically on a normal sized tv or monitor you can't tell the difference past it.

>>388981974
>Falling for the maket hoype
>Spending half you minumum wage on an inferior display
>b-but anon look at how flat it is! just like my brain!

>>388981910
I don't care about the resolution, I'm fine with my 1080p monitors currently, I just fucking wish devs would at least TRY for stable framerates on consoles more often.

>>388979450
so why exactly can CRTs produce better blacks and avoid that washed out look?

>>388979343
1440p monitors have been highly affordable for years

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>>388979387
>>388979456
>>388979520
>>388979771
And yet the majority of games can't even run 60fps @ 1920x1080

I just started playing my xbone on a pc monitor

I sit pretty close and i cant tell if it looks worse because of the lower resolution, or if its because theres no AA

i want a gaming rig

>>388980070
makes good edible lube

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there is a point where more resolution does nothing.

Since human eyes are analog, its dependent on screen size and viewing distance.

Most people watch tv from about 5-8 feet away.
You need ridiculous screen sizes to notice any difference between 1080p an 4k at 5 feet.

Are you REALLY going to get a 70+" screen for 4k?

>>388981974
My crt from 1999 ran at 1920x1440 at 72hz and 100hz at 1200x1600, with deep blacks and 0ms input lag. It's better than the monitor you have right now

>>388981016
I was born before 1990, kid. Nice copy paste work though.

>>388981961
The glass on a CRT is thick because it's protecting a phosphor layer on the inside from exploding like a light bulb. As I said, the halfway point of the moire, similar to the nyquist point in digital audio, is the "max resolution". The native resolution is whatever you set it to. A 1280 x 1024 can do 640 x 480 natively with no pixel crawl.

>>388982205
All that cancer causing shit

>>388979450
Well yeah comparing a decent Sony CRT to a generic Dell from 2004 is gonna be shit isn't it.

Today you can get excellent LCDs (QLED, OLED, etc) that are superb and out perform CRTs in pretty much every way

>>388982090
So Rock bad? Use many Mammoth words, Rock Good? Rock Bad?

>>388982317
Cuck

>>388982241
I think the main thing is the compression difference that people notice. watching youtube videos in 1080 then 4k on a 1080p monitor is like night and day

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>>388981243
>>388982041
when I get around I´ll make it like this

>>388982218
fuck off console shitter dont talk to me subhuman

Whenever you feel bad just remember that there are retards out there whose autism forces them to buy 4k 5-6" phones.

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Real question: I'd there 8K porn yet?

>>388982241
This image is true but honestly I'd almost halve the screen sizes. Only ultra mega plebs wouldn't be able to tell the difference between 1080p and 4k on a 55" the from 5 feet away

>>388981961
CRTs do not draw dots, they draw horizontal lines.

There are CRT projectors capable of 6k resolution because they can handle the high frequencies required to draw that many lines 60+ times a second,

>>388979343
No it won't, unless we start sitting literally one inch from our computer screens.

>>388982316
>that are superb and out perform CRTs in pretty much every way
No LCD besides OLED can performed better than CRT in the contrast department

>>388982393
>Computer next to a window
So much better

>>388982393
that looks pretty cool anon

Sketchup is trash

>>388982241
>measuring distance in feet
fucking footfags wtf

>>388982370
Go back Reddit, newfag. Me want just opinion to Rock, ooga.

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>>388979450
Dude that's cheating, it's not even the good dell monitor you can get

>>388982458
Whats wrong with 4k phones?

>>388982535
>What is plasma
I know I'm conflating black levels with contrast, but whatever

>>388982584
xD

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>>388981643
>CRT
>See the pixels

>>388982458
There is one 4k phone on the market anon, and its a shitty sony that no one bought because you couldnt acually watch 4k content on it

>>388982480
There would not be an 8k TV without 8k porn. Visual media is advanced only by the porn you can put on it. Come on, man.

>>388981171
Keep the receipt and box anon

>>388981864
Define "PC players"
Because anybody with a desktop and a dedicated GPU can without breaking a sweat.

>>388982675
What do you mean?

>>388979594
sort of, but we're not anywhere near that point. 16K is pretty much the gold standard as far as human perception goes

>>388982509
Yes, but the lines are made of dots, and the dots go RGBRGBRGBRGBRGBRGB

Surely we will get to a point where we have to sit way too far back to observe these screens right?

>>388979220
What does 8K stand for?

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>>388982540
I thats whats the Blinds are for

>>388982567
Thanks. not to hardcore just wanted something free to sketch up my plans

>>388982824
8 Kikes

>>388982824
8 kebab. The number of Muslims you have to kill in order to gain citizenship in the next European Empire forged in the fallout of the "great removing"

>>388982824
Karabiner 9-8K
Moon Nazis have arrived.

>>388982763
even the latest high end smartphones like samsung and apple dont have 4k, only 2k

and if you were wondering about the sony phone, you can only view 4k media that youve taken yourself, i.e. pictures and videos you captured yourself, everything else, the ui, youtube, is maxed at 2k. Dont ask me why

>>388982480
You get into dangerous pores everywhere and and obvious specs of shit on dick territory with 8K.

>>388982824
Infinite Parabolas

>>388979220
>even a highend card like the 1080 ti struggles to achieve 60fps in many modern games at 4k
>8k requires 4x the performance of 4k

Doesn't seem that useful

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>>388982241
Videophiles are obsessed with pixels.

I game on a switch and 720p tablet.

>>388982638
You can't really perceive the difference at that size/pixel density

>8K TVs become the norm
>image quality and black levels still worse than your average 1080p PC monitor

>>388982713
Are you saying that innovation is driven by porn?

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>>388979343
>mfw I still play PS4 games on a 720p TV

>>388982615
got the dell 2007fp. best monitor ever

>>388983126
It's all about muh pixels

>>388983058
Not to mention, 60Hz is on its way out. I'd say 72Hz is the minimum for modern sensibilities.

>>388982904
>>388982928
it stands for 8 kelvin

>>388983018
>2k

They call it QHD last time I checked. The kikery is getting ridiculous.

>>388983058
Truth right here

>>388979220
Great another meme number for consoles to shoot for while ignoring perfromance

>>388983164
> 720p TV

they don't even exist you lying scum

>>388983152
Yes. Always has been. Everything is driven by porn.

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what kind of tech will be necessary to make watching TV indistinguishable from looking out a clear glass window? will this be even remotely feasible in the next 20 years?

do we need more accurate HDR? glasses-free 3D? 10k+? what will it take? I've always wondered about this, TV still looks very... electronic. Is this even in the realm of what we're capable of or will it require huge breakthroughs in display technology?

>>388983169
> The monitor offers resolution of up to 1600x1200 pixels and also provides 16ms typical response time
> 16

jesus

>>388983042
This really is the worst. Even now i still download dvd quality porn, because real womens are hideous.

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>>388983276

>>388981536
No it isnt.

>>388983268
>Buying TVs in the past 10 years
Hows it feel burning $200-1000 every other year?

>>388983292
I'm sure we already have the technology to do this. It's just immensily expensive and impossible to market

The 3DS already did glasses free 3D. You just need one or two cameras to track your head/eyes so the 3D effect always work just like how the N3DS did.

>>388980070
>ayo why all dem crakas lyk deey food so much
fuck off tyrone

>>388983108
Are NEET brand monitors any good, anime girl?

>>388979220
>125 PPI
It's trash.

>>388983353
enjoye your white wash GAYMAN 200HZ MONITOR FOR CS:RO

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>he doesn't have a 480hz monitor
Um sweetie?

>>388983430
>What is your local repo furniture store where they sell you a $1500 TV at a rate which adds up to $10,000

>>388982218
You can do 1080p@60 on pretty much any game with a 1060 or 480.

>>388983465
right, so it might just be a matter of time then? It seems pretty fucking difficult though. I'm talking, literally indistinguishable from looking out a window. Sounds like magic.

>>388982535
yeah but I don't give a shit about a little bit more contrast when I have to sacrifice a super thin 65" 4K HDR QLED LCD. I can't get a CRT that big and even if you could it would be fucking huge and weigh about 250KG. I remember I had a really nice ~32" CRT that weighed a fucking tonne. Fuck that for slightly better contrast

>>388983220
they do call it QHD, i just said 2k cuz it was easier i guess idk

>>388983292
Hopefully one day people will stop being retarded and start using dpi instead of resolution because a 30000k screen will still look like shit if it's covering an entire skyscraper

>>388983582
479 isn't 480

>>388981568
Same, have a 42" panasonic plasma at 720p. Never use it anymore because it just feels unwatchable.

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>>388983421

>>388983220
>>388983614
QHD is 1440p. It's four times 720p, or HD, hence Quad HD. 1080p is 16:9 2K, otherwise known as Full HD.

>>388983419
"Cinematic 2K" is technically 2048x1080 but if TV manufacturers are going to call 3840x2160 "4K" then there's no reason why 1920x1080 isn't "2K."

Anyone who calls 2560x1440p "2K" should be gassed though.

>>388983605
> little bit

The difference is huge which is why I really fucking want a VA panel. Being able to see detail in horror games and movies is great. I'm tired of all this 1000:1 contrast ratio bullshit we've had to endure since LCDs came to market. I mean for fucks sake no one's maanged to make TN panels have better ratios than this? We have VAs reaching 5000:1

>>388979343
>2037
>still watching screens
ishygddt

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>>388981160
>tfw bought a cfg70 24' for $140 on amazon
>VA panel, 1ms response time, 144hz, 125% sRGB
thank god for amazon price fucks up honestly. my final set up is going to be cfg70 + some 4k 32' IPS monitor with HDR support.

>>388983582
>tfw never seen anything higher than 60hz in my life
I wonder what a jump like that would feel like.

>>388979220
>4k
>8k
>Metroid Prime is still only 480p

What's the point? Don't emulate at me.

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>>388979220
>tfw need eyehax to properly watch movies now

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>he doesn't have a 1440hz vision research projector for playing CSGO

http://vpixx.com/products/tools-for-vision-sciences/visual-stimulus-displays/propixx/

>>388983894
Not very different

>>388979220
>mfw I'm still happy with 1080p
>probably I will buy 4K in a couple of years when it's even more affordable
>mfw I still use and 2004 Sony Trinitron 480i CRT TV to play retro games and I think it looks fantastic
How it feels being a corporate cuck?

>>388983268
Most sub 40" TV's are 720p anon.

>>388983941
t. Brainlet

>>388983938
>TI
That thing costs like 5 million dollars I'm guessing?

>>388983873
It's not true 1ms. You need to activate some shit on the menu to get 1ms otherwise it's regular 4ms.

I've wanted to buy that monitor for a while but the purple hue when you run the monitor at 100hz is just too much. This is a problem cuz I run a multitude of games around 90-100fps so i'd always notice that crap unless freesync is turned off

>>388983759
My point is you can get excellent LCDs and with OLED it is only going to get better but without the limitations we have with CRT size and weight

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>>388983894
I have a 240hz monitor, it looks bizarre for the first months. Uncanny is a good word for it. It looks smoother than real life.

>>388982241
This is only true with resolution, you also have to factor in compression, bitrate and color resolution/chroma subsampling. Upgrading from a 1080p source, whether Netflix or Bluray, to 4k will have a noticeable difference whether you care about resolution or not. With Youtube the difference is dramatic as well,that's why people recommend watching Youtube in 1440p or 2160p even if you have a 1080p monitor.

>>388983894

The jump from 60 to 120 was a game changer, but I can't personally tell any difference between 120hz and 144hz. I feel like 480 hits some serious diminishing returns

>>388984037
You mean 1366x768

>>388983938
That would be a reason to actually buy threadripper for gaming, Holy shit

>>388983894
I saw a 120Hz monitor at a cybercafe when I was like, 8. It absolutely blew my mind and spent the next 10 years of my life wondering why I couldn't get my PC to make the game look as smooth as it did on that monitor.

This is how I know that consolefags that defend 30FPS either, are literally pretending to be retarded or literally never saw a 60 fps game in their lives. The difference is massive and beautiful.

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>>388979343

>Not making the jump to 1440p years ago

i can't go back to 1080p

>>388979343
With the way consoles are going I don't think so.

>>388981171
I'd accuse you of being my friend but you actually have games and not just Netflix.

>>388984140
Threadripper won't give you good framerates.

>>388984083
Meh I don't regret going for 2560x1080 at 60hz. I don't play any games which require it, but I probably will upgrade to something higher next time.

>>388984181
But at 1440p you need a beefy gpu to run everything maxed out and 60fps.

My 970 can do almost anything at 60fps and 1080p but as soon as I activated DSR and set 1440p it all goes to shit

>>388984138
Well yeah me bad but they are still sub 1080p

>>388983873
Hey I have that monitor.
Tell me, do you see any artifacts when using DP 144Hz? I had to downgrade to HDMI 2.0 120 Hz because the artifacts were getting out of control.

>>388984296

>But at 1440p you need a beefy gpu to run everything maxed out and 60fps.

Yes, that's why i got a 1080Ti

I miss running 85hz on my CRT back in the day. Taking way too fucking long for the average display to even want to budge from 60hz unless you pay an absurd premium.

>>388979220
Will this make video games great again?

>>388984296
Everything you said in your post in common sense. The 970 was weak shit even when it was released

>>388983058
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LnjdWcnPWtE
The 1080Ti can actually hit close to 8k in a lot of games, the issue is since the GPU clearly wasn't designed for that resolution and neither were the games you hit bizarre bottlenecks and sometimes bugs.

>>388982752

I mean okay, I can lie too.

1080ti is totally reasonably priced.

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>480i
Oh god I can never go back. 480p is as far back as I go.

>>388983894

assuming you had 480 fps video, it wouldn't look too much different than real life in motion

>>388980356
Pictured: John Carmack coding Quake, using an InterView 28hd96 at 1920 x 1080

>>388984401
>The 970 was weak shit even when it was released
But it beat the top amd card at the time on so many games and it cost fucking 400€

What the fuck do you want me to buy? A 1000€ gpu?

>>388984062
>I've wanted to buy that monitor for a while but the purple hue
yeah i read about that. i was ready to return it if there were any major panel defects but mine seems to be running perfectly, even at 144hz. the only problem it has is a crack in the bezel but it's in the lower corner so i don't notice it.
i guess i won the quantum dot panel lottery, it actually looks better than my AHVA 1440p/144hz monitor.

>>388984361
I'm pretty fucking mad that 144hz is the new member resolution. I just want 96hz or at least fucking 72hz monitors. Jesus fucking Christ is that so much to ask for? Standard refresh rates from over 20 years ago?

Nah fuck off, i love hdr 4,k tv. Shit looks mint on it

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Those of you who think you have '1ms' display lag monitors are mistaken. Those in the image are all marketed as such.

Gray to gray time (which is what they're using for the marketing) and total display lag are different things.

>>388983108
>people with standards are "videophiles"

>>388984474
The purle shit only shows up between 80-120Hz, more or less. At 144Hz is perfect but if you activate freesync and play a game around those frames you'll see the purple shit when you move the mouse, especially when it's dark. It's at its worse at 100Hz.

>>388983894

there's a reason we stopped around 60; the difference decreases as you go higher and starts to feel unnatural because of a lack of motion blur

>>388982205
LCD rely on blocking light to produce blacks, this limits how deep the blacks can be as well as the over all contrast (usually 1000:1 for both tn and ips, 3000:1or more for VA)

>>388984475
Least with CRT the higher hz meant less eye-strain by making the refresh flicker harder to notice. It was the only reason I was able to stomach moving to a TFT-LCD of 60hz over a decade ago.

But yeah, FreeSync ought to be a standard already and for nVidia to suck it up and support it. Modern panels should be able to handle any refresh rate thrown at them, not just one.

A $60 CPU nowadays is faster than the one in an Xbox one X. Any dedicated GPU released in the last 4 years is capable of reaching 1080p 60 fps in high settings on almost any game. I mean fuck, I was running metro last light at 1080p 60fps on my 7950 when it launched in 2013

Take a look at the number of pubg sales for an indicator of how many people have dedicated GPUs more powerful than modern consoles

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>>388984626
>the difference decreases as you go higher and starts to feel unnatural because of a lack of motion blur

>>388984461
>tfw I used to run the games to their lowest setting at their lowest resolution to get the highest framerate possible
CRT were great

>>388984707
Until you had to move one, anyway.

>>388984083
>It looks smoother than real life.
I sometimes wonder if you people really are this fucking stupid. I want to give you the benefit of doubt, I want to think that you actually see what's wrong with a statement like that, but, fuck. It looks smoother than, say, "real life" in a room lit by a lightbulb that flickers at a 60Hz rate, but you should probably go outside and see what "real life" looks like under a natural light source. It's gonna blow your fucking mind.

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>>388984461

>>388984760
real life looks like shite tho

we're at the point where video games actually look better

>>388984760
You won't understand until you see what 240hz looks like. And you will, soon every display will have super high refresh rates, when OLED hits the consumer market.

>>388983894
I've only ever seen interpolated 120hz and it looked like motion-blurred garbage on the demo displays. I presume real 120hz is miles better for gaming.

>>388984461
>>388984857
not pictured: the room taken by the rest of the monitor

>>388984696
He's true about motion blur. We see motion blur in real life with your eyes. Just look at a highway with cars passing by. Focus on the road and all you see is a bunch of blurs passing at fast speeds. In a video game you can only do artificial motion blur with post effects and other crap that often looks terrible. It's unnatural either way and only a few games manage to do object motion blur right

>>388984758
Yea, it's the only reason why flat screen are better.
That and taking a lot less space.

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>>388984338
depends on the type of artifacts that you're talking about. i feel like i notice some flickering but i chalked it down to light ghosting. compared to my xf270hu where the ghosting literally leaves behind a visible trail it's not a problem.
however if it's like dying GPU type artifacts then no i've never noticed anything like that.

>>388979387
with less than 1% of any media being 4K compatible it really isn't.

>>388982205
CRTs do not have a backlight. They fire an electron beam at the screen which does or does not light a point in a certain color, if you want a point to be black you don't shoot the electron beam at it and it does not emit light, so it's black.

LCDs have an actual backlight which is on all the time basically, so if you want to display black, you actually need to stop that light from going through. This isn't entirely possible, some gets through anyway so you get shit black levels.

>>388984903
Iterpolated looks like hot garbage. If you have a 60Hz monitor do a recording of something at 30Hz then use SVP to interpolate it to 60 and see the awful result.

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>not falling for every meme

>>388983894
Wait I actually have seen higher than 60hz. I own a PSVR. Though I think on a monitor it has a very different feel.

>>388984401
>Could run almost any game at 1080p/60 maxed out or at least close too it
>$329 at launch
>weak as shit
It's still not bad at all when you consider the 970 was a monster at overclocking. 980/1060/480/580 can max out pretty much any 1080p game, and a good 970 could overclock close to a vanilla 980.

>>388981171
Nice Simpsons boxsets

>>388982218
>the majority of games can't even run 60fps @ 1920x1080
What the fuck are you talking about? Literally everything runs at 1080 in the past ten years and the only things that don't run at 60fps are shit ports where physics are tied to framerate.

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>>388985094
>tfw can only afford to fall for 1 meme

>>388984901
I've seen it you faggot. I've also seen "real life" under light sources at that very same flicker rate. You literally don't understand how your eyes work.

>>388985061
That monitor looks like shit, even for a TN panel. Do you honestly have nothing better? Can't believe that cost more than 50€

>>388979220
>HDR
I really don't see any difference. I've never understood why people pretend this is a thing.

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>>388984857
>10,000 dollaridoos

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>>388985218
Should be p. obvious.

>>388985007
well it also won't explode violently if it falls down which is kind of a plus too

>>388982480
4K porn is already kind of sickening

>>388983596
pftt hahahaha
HAHAHAHA

>>388984626
Only TV's were 60hz, and that's due to the NTSC standard. 75-85hz was pretty standard on CRT monitors since you're eyes will bleed if you sit too close to a strobing backlight at 60Hz. Remember your mom telling you not to sit too close to the TV?

>>388985307
My monitor isn't UHD and I can see those greens fine.

>>388985095
>Wait I actually have seen higher than 60hz. I own a PSVR.
I think I should make you aware that the PSVR was designed around "frame reprojection", so you aren't seeing natural frames.

>>388980492
>tfw watching anime with madVR upscaling my anime to 1440p and frame doubling to 144hz even though 144hz is a multiple of 24 so there wouldn't even be tearing

It might be placebo but damn it sure looks nice.

If you use frame interpolation instead of frame doubling you're a fucking retard

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http://blogs.valvesoftware.com/abrash/down-the-vr-rabbit-hole-fixing-judder/

>the sweet spot for 1080p at 90 degrees FOV is probably somewhere between 300 and 1000 Hz, although higher frame rates would be required to hit the sweet spot at higher resolutions.

~ Michael Abrash, source engine lead developer and Oculus VR's lead scientist

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>>388979220
>8K
>retards who don't know how the human eye works will actually fall for this meme
>retarded PC MASTER RACE XD! faggots will be among these, and create the demand for 8K gaming
>this will in turn make devs bloat system requirements and make Nvidia and AMD shill $1000 GPUs that will actually sell

I hate everything.

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>>388985412

>>388980294
Expensive 4K tvs also happen to have better upscale renderers so that's probably why you can't really tell unless you're looking between 4K and 1080p

>>388985061
It would help if you compared it to an LCD monitor from after 2007.

>>388985418
Elaborate?

>>388980294
>1080p uprendered and 4k.
That's because 4K is 4x bigger than 1080 so it literally fits and shouldn't have any scaling artifacts at all. You can do nearest upscaling and it looks just as it would on a 1080p screen

Who sits close enough to their television to warrant 8K? 4K is already fucking retarded.

1440p is the limit before you hit meme resolutions that are literally pointless unless you're watching a 100 inch screen in a room the size of a closet.

>>388985425
>WOW IT HAS 4X AS MANY MOUSE CURSORS!@!!!11

Fucking PC shills

>>388984427
are you implying you need a 1080ti to run most games 1080@60?

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>display is 8k
>most media is 720p
>only thing worth a damn in 4k at this very moment is porn

>>388985218
Most HDR displays are garbage and do HDR worse than HDR-off mode. The 'standards' for what allows a TV to advertise itself as HDR-compliant are laughably poor.

>>388983292
You can kinda do it now. Those new LG wallpaper TVs can trick your brain into thinking you're viewing something out of a window. The reason the illusion is broken with normal TVs is because of the bezel and the stand. If you manage to find a way to "float" the TV and make it flush with the wall you can get super absorbed into it.

>"8K"
>there's barely any 4K content out there yet
>there aren't even television broadcasts above 1080i yet

I wish I could find anyone even thinking about buying an 8K tv and forcibly sterilize them.

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>>388983164
>mfw playing 8th Gen consoles on a CRT
Step up son

>>388985797
Due to the sample and hold effect of non-strobing LCD screens, LCD has an inherent motion blur that CRT's didn't have. This may not seem like a big deal when watching TV, but it makes VR look blurry as shit since it's so close to your face. The only way to reduce motion blur for VR is to drastically increase refresh rate or add a strobing effect to VR games, either through actual backlight flickering or black frame insertion. John Carmack has also talked about the importance of refresh rate to VR as well.

>>388985924
>>most media is 720p
What kind of third world shithole do you live in?

>>388979331
Next year

>>388979940
240p/480i was always shit though, the jump to 480p was massive.
>There are people that never experienced PS2/GameCube/Xbox games at 480p over copmponent

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Protip for people with 144hz/240hz displays: OBS has a 120hz recording limit, but you can bypass it by setting the config file to any resolution and hertz limit you like.

1080p/240hz consumes 73% of a Pascal card's h265 enccoding engine, 240p/2400hz consumes 93%. You can test yourself using HWmonitor, recording with OBS, and monitoring the 'video engine' value at the GPU readout.

Here is a 1600fps webm. For hertzlets, try dragging your cursor along the tracking line to see all the frames..

>>388979450
Why would you want to listen to high pitch whirring constantly with CRT?

>>388979331
4k/120Hz is coming next year, so that will be fun at least.

>>388980157
Good bait.

>>388986096
He's half right: Most animated stuff is still done in 720p and then upscaled because whatever. HD live action stuff is usually 1080p.

>>388986239
Isn't OW capped at 300fps?

>>388983292
Nothing short of a true 3D capable TV would be able to completely trick your brain into believing you are looking out a clear glass window in most conditions, but OLED and its derivatives come pretty damn close. What keeps the image of most panels from looking natural is the shitty backlight technology.

>>388986425
Yeah, that's just a test to see if chrome can display 1600fps webms
The game itself is running at 300fps

>>388984338
Get a better or shorter display port cable.

I'm serious. Yes its a digital standard but there isn't enough power to maintain the signal integrity for the length of the cable.

I have a 3 meter shielded DP cable my monitor is on a completely different wall and outlet than my PC that I spend a higher than normal price on because I had the same issue on my PG278Q at 1440p144hz.

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>>388982218
>And yet the majority of games can't even run 60fps @ 1920x1080
Stop being poor, you can play every game out at 1440p 60fps.

>>388986239
>using NVENC ever

>>388986340
>animated
Anon I don't think 4/8K TVs are for people who use it to watch spongebob.

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Fun fact: vocaloid concerts are done by rear-projecting onto a transparent screen

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZCYJu7KSqQM

>>388986608
If you're recording locally there is no reason not to use NVENC, it's only a bad idea for streaming.

And I would love to see you record at 240hz/1080p using anything besides NVENC without tanking your game performance. Unless you have an i9 7900x and can simply devote six cores to OBS recording in x264 or something.

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>>388986682
I'd like to project something onto Miku's rear.

You can barely play every game at 4K 60 FPS now with TWO FUCKING 1080s Tis

We're not even remotely ready for 8K

what's the deal with these wallpaper TVs

my TV is 1080p on a TV stand away from the wall and I still can't see the pixels

what a waste of money desu

>>388979220
8K would be more useful for VR. The higher density panels we can make, the more realistic the VR headsets become. 8K for television is overkill though.

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>>388986594
>he has a measly 1080ti
>not a big boi Quadro P6000

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>>388986682

>>388986951
This. 8K VR is gonna be a while though.

>>388986923
see >>388985970
A lack of bezel makes a huge fucking difference.

>>388986969
>results aren't even a comparison to the 1080ti

Nice graph retard.

>>388987009
And you'd need an absolute monster of a PC to render VR content in 8K. But its worth if it makes VR more realistic.

>>388987084
The Titan X pascal beats the 1080ti so you don't need a direct benchmark

Why do we need more pixels?

At 8K you'd think it'd be the edge quality you'd see in real life with no pixelization.

>>388987193
Then prove it to me numerically.

>>388986882
>projecting onto a white surface

enjoy your glare

>>388987242
Consumers aren't going to use 8K.

>>388985061
Everytime the anti LCD fags base all thier judgements on cut rate monitors and walmart-marketed-to-elderly-people brands like Vizio that have shit specs but good 'color'. You get what you pay for

>>388987023
so it's like 15 feet away and it might as well be 720p

>>388987007

this would be more efficient with a 420 degree angle

>>388987256
Just google Titan X pascal vs 1080ti benchmark
The P6000 beats the Titan, so it definitely beats the 1080ti.
And the Tesla p100, which has HBM2 memory, beats the p6000 but nobody buys a card that expensive to play video games..

>>388987332
http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-OLED65W7P-oled-4k-tv

>>388987381
Sure they beat each other in compute performance but most devs won't be bothered to optimize it for me. I'm not outright saying you're wrong but I'd like to see some A/B testing for the claims you're making.

When can I buy a 1080p monitor with an oled display? I don't care about this 4k meme.

>>388987193
You're confusing the Titan X Pascal with the Titan Xp.

>>388982393
You don't get to bring curtains.

>>388985530
>>388985204
>>388987326
I want you to find an LCD monitor that doesn't have gratiutous backlight like that garbage and can compare to a CRT.

>>388987526
Never Ever

No seriously, there were only a few OLED HDR 1080p TV's ever produced, and they're all expensive. The industry has completely moved onto 2160p now.

>>388987543
Titan Xp is the Titan X Pascal with different memory.

>>388983514
triggered

>>388987526
https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/758921-REG/Sony_BVM_E250_BVM_E250_Trimaster_EL_OLED.html

here you go

>>388985123
>Only 1080p maxed out
>Not weak as shit
The 290x was and still is miles ahead of a 970

Im trying to get a new IPS, 27 inch, 100hz+ monitor. Should I worry about the G-Sync meme?

>>388986594
>stop being poor
Good argument.

>>388987836
> $23,400.00
There are 4k OLED TVs for less than $5k

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>>388987836
$23,000? What the fuck? You can buy a 4k OLED monitor from Dell for $3,500

>>388987501
your eyeballs will not be able to see 4k pixels on that setup

>>388979220
>Paulaner
Good taste

>>388988291
The point of the monitor is not the resolution. Yes its nice to have 4k but its essentially the bezelless display and the HDR.

4k is the the icing on the cake. 1440p would be decent imo but its not standard on TV.

What's a nice 4k monitor that's 60hz but with really good colors and minimal backlight bleed? I only play ported japshit so high refresh is worthless to me.

>>388987920
Yes. Though I'd wait for the new 4k144hz gsync monitors to come out so the 1440p ones drop in price.

having a 240hz display and no videos over 60fps to watch is suffering

i have to look up slow motion videos and speed them up to realtime

4K is pointless right now because none of the video cards on the market can run demanding games on high at that resolution at an acceptable frame rate (60+). You'd be spending thousands just to play games on medium, low or sub 60fps. Now that is retarded.

>>388989295
Didn't stop Sony/MS from trying to push checkerboarded 4K gaming at 30fps.

>>388989295
You can definitely run them on low/medium though.

The 1070 made 1440p the new standard. Next generation we'll be able to buy gpus at 300€ for that kind of performance. Either that or play literally everything at 144Hz at 1080p

>>388987920
Gsync and Freesync are pretty cool, but if you don't have the budget vanilla 144Hz is fine.

>>388989462
>checkerboarded 4K
I'd actually love to try checkerboarded 4K on PC but there aren't any games that do it.

Temporal filtering looks like shit on Siege and Watch Dogs 2. Consoles do checkerboard really well

>>388979450
I still keep these 2 22" CRT monitors around.
They are like 80lbs a piece, but one day I'm going to have a bitching set up with them.

>>388989295
>>388989478
This basically. 1440p 60fps is achievable on high/max for most game. High settings + 60fps should be easily doable before we even talk about higher resolutions. There's little point otherwise.

does anyone here have an hdr monitor?

woudl you recommend?

>>388989295
nVidia's next GPU release will probably be able to run 60 FPS 4K on high settings.

Speaking of resolution memes, when the hell are we getting 4K OLED monitors with gsync and 1 - 5ms response times?

>>388989694
>nVidia's next GPU release will probably be able to run 60 FPS 4K on high settings.
You're probably right but it'll cost 800€ or more. For 300-500€ 1440p at 60 or slightly more than that is pretty much guaranteed next gen

>>388989694
>when the hell are we getting 4K OLED monitors with gsync and 1 - 5ms response times?
When they fix the burn in. It's just as bad if not worse than CRTs in the aspect. Their longivity is really shitty compared to a regular LCD

>>388989694

are there any news on that? when is it coming out?

>>388979450
Get an OLED then grandpa.

>>388989597
I don't get temporal AA. All it does it scaled a low-rez image up which looks like it's been coated in vaseline.

>>388981171
fuck off zerofag

>>388988668
Look up some of the VA displays. Its kind of a middle ground with some of the same advantages of IPS over TN, but deeper blacks.
They're also mostly large format displays which are cool.

>>388990124
https://images.nvidia.com/geforce-com/international/comparisons/watch-dogs-2/watch-dogs-2-temporal-filtering-1920x1080-interactive-comparison-001-on-vs-off.html

>>388989775
Keep in mind the 1070 basically matches the 980Ti and was $400 on launch. If Volta is all Nvidia is hyping it up to be then the 1170 might get around 1080Ti performance. Entry level 4k at $400, with the 1180 getting guaranteed 4k/60 at $600.

TN, VA or IPS

what will it be /v/

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>>388986294
With no graphics card to run it.

>>388990385
CRT

>>388990385
> TN
1ms response
shit angles
no contrast
shit colors

> VA
amazing contrast
around 4ms response time
nicer colors
gamma shift
some of them show a purple hue when you move the mouse, especially when the screen is dark (horror games, movies)

> IPS
amazing beautiful colors
somehow even worse contrast than TN
on top of bad contrast they have the horrendus IPS glow
even slower than VA
perfect view angles

A VA panel without the purple issue is the best in my opinion

>>388990310
Did they break the shadows on the non-filtered one on purpose?

>>388990587
>some of them show a purple hue when you move the mouse, especially when the screen is dark (horror games, movies)
VA is fucking terrible if you play anything that involves dark colours. Bright colours are around 4ms response time, darks are 30ish.

Had to return a monitor I bought of that panel type because it bothered me that much.

Spatial resolution of the human eye over like 120 degree FOV is something like 576 megapixels. That is the hard limit to how good a screen could be if it covered your entire FOV

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>>388990587
The only TN panel in existence with decent viewing angles

>>388991057
http://www.tftcentral.co.uk/reviews/dell_s2716dg.htm

Forgot link

>>388984652
>>388985072
How can you tell if an LCD has good blacks, what do you look for? I'd love to know, thinking of getting a new screen right now and my current one shows blacks are near enough fucking grays.

Explain the jew tactics of saying that TV can produce 200, 300, 600 fps because of some "technology", that can't be true and they can't just lie about it 100% or they would be fucked, so how do they explain all those non-existant frames?

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>>388986085
Clearly the best solution is to have two CRT monitors for each eye in a VR headset

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>>388980604
my african american compadre it feels good to not fall for the resolution meme

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>>388991172
The contrast ratio. Every LCD that isn't VA is going to be almost the same and have shit blacks. Only VA and OLED can do them fine but IPS has the ips glow issue on top of that.