Quality of TES writing

>>388932890
Voice acting and non-wikiepedia entry dialogue. An all-round better move.

>>388932890
Troll post aside, I thought the whole "I am the fragment of the mad time god destined to end this world allowing the new kalpa to begin before shit like landfall happens, but why end the world when I can rule it" followed by "i am the fragment of the mad time god designed to stop the first fragment from fucking around" was pretty cool.

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>>388932890
>Tes
>writing
Not bethesda strong point ever.

>morrowind is literally an ancient evil has awoken and you're the chosen one to stop him
>the story gets massive amounts of praise because you need to run around an island talking to a bunch of mudhutters in the middle of no where and running errands for them before they tell you you're the chosen one

really activates the noggin joggin

>>388932890
So Dagoth Ur is basically Donald trump???

>>388933304
Still Morrowind is probably the best well written Bethesda game.

>>388933453
>you have to actually prove your worth to people
i see nothing wrong with it

>>388933467
...woah.......

>>388932890
>"i'm evil just because"
>just because
His entire race has been slaughtered by mankind. Of course he want to kill everyone

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>>388932890
>medium-dark grey text on black background

>>388932890
Shit on alduin all you like, but Miraak was Dagoth Ur tier.

>>388933070
voice acting ruined gaming and all VAs should kill themselves

>>388933663
he is literally depicted as "god of destruction"

>>388932890

Wasn't Dagoth some delusional fuck that was driven insane by the tools and got BTFO by Nerevar once he returned to the mountain? He has the gall to say he served you faithfully and got betrayed? I mean look at the fuck, is he trying to say he achieved demi-godhood by sheer willpower and not by abusing the heart like the tribunal?

>>388932890
while beth writing in their newer games is bad, it's still better than most of other open world rpg/games.

>>388934102
The whole point is that we do not truly know what happened.

>>388934076
By those who originally killed all dragons. They knew that they have brought his wrath upon them. That's why he is literally depicted as "god of destruction"

>>388933663
that was after his entire race tried to enslave mankind

>>388934278

But one undeniable fact is that he DID use the tools, otherwise he wouldn't be Dagoth Ur and stronger than the tribunal. He betrayed the Nerevar along with the rest when he forbade them to use the tools.

>>388932890
I love how "did nothing wrong" now is code for manic powermonger, who is willing to sacrifice millions of life for his own purpos while sugar coating the thing he does to appeal to authoritarian sociopaths.

>>388932890
I know this is bait, but can we just have what Alduin ACTUALLY says?

>>388934465
>warned people that the Dwemer want to use artefacts to kill them all
>no one believes him until a literal god confirms it
>after they win the war he urges to destroy the said artefacts
>no one listens to him

>>388933287
From a lore standpoint yeah, but from an in game standpoint not really, now that's even a failing in Morrowind to a lesser extent, but Dagoth Ur was the best balance of that lore backround and actual in game presentation with the final conversation with him and so forth.

Most people who play skyrim aren't going to have a clue who Alduin is aside from 'Red Eyes Black Dragon'. Whereas most people who finish Morrowind's main quest will at least have an idea of what makes Ur tick if only slightly.

>>388934551
nothing interesting. just a bunch of "i'm a god, you're weak", "i'll kill you all" etc.
http://elderscrolls.wikia.com/wiki/Alduin

>>388934593
Who are you talking about here?

>>388934551
I don't remember Alduin ever speaking, in English that is, he could have had some great dialogue in magic dragon roars

>>388934681
dagoth ur

>>388934681

He is talking about Dagoth before shit hit the fan. But Dagoth also confirms that Nerevar and him came to blows during those events. What happened to Nerevar is never confirmed but simple fact that Dagoth and the tribunal are all demigods is evidence that they used the tools on the heart.

>>388933663
Alduin is the manifestation of the End of Time. He decides to just rule the world before it's supposed to end instead

>>388934794
everything would be fine if they actually listened to him

>>388933070
It ended up being shit as well, just in different ways.
>Morrowind
>irrelevant npc is just a loredump for the local area and current events
>you can derive some information about them from what they're wearing, where they're standing, allegiances that will affect whether they will be open about certain dialogue options, etc.
>Skyrim
>irrelevant npc WORKS FOR BELETHOR AT THE GENERAL GOODS STORE and has small of dialogue they will repeat to you every time you get close to them
>you can derive some information about them from npc schedules they repeat and on and the fact that they just straight up tell you personal information as you walk past them
>they're still boring as fuck just more annoying to deal with this time around
Morrowind has to many npcs to make everyone interesting, so Bethesda didn't try. Skyrim has too many npcs to make everyone interesting, but Bethesda thought people would give a shit about their lives with paltry 2-3 lines of dialogue a piece on average.

>>388932890
Why do people pretend Morrowind was even averagely well written?
There are RTS campaigns with better writing.

>>388934665
>elderscrolls.wikia
eww

>>388934958
name 1 rpg with a better lore than TES series

>>388934665
>ES Wiki

If it's not UESP, or Imperial library please, kill yourself.

>>388935119
>UESP
doesnt have quotes, retard

>>388934908

But the point in which history is unconfirmed is before that decision is made. The only things that are confirmed is that Nerevar and him obtained the tools and that he left them with Dagoth while he went down the mountain to discuss the next course of action with the tribunal. If Dagoth confirms he and Nerevar fought, then the tribunal did not kill Nerevar until after that fact. And since they did fight, it should be assumed Dagoth used the tools because not only did he survive, he lived long enough to take the tools from the tribunal thousands of years later. The only real point of discussion is whether or not Nerevar died from his wounds in battle with Dagoth or if the tribunal murdered him after the fight.

>tfw sexlab now works in SSE
Literally no reason to stick with oldrim once the other mods get ported.

>>388935215
Huh, not on Alduin's page it seems, They do on others though.

http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Morrowind:Dagoth_Ur_(god)

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>gather three fucking elder scrolls to learn some shit you didn't need since you could have just slaughter the whole castle the first time you got there
WOOOOOOOOOOW

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daily reminder

>>388932890
Isn't Mehrunes Dagon also just wanted to kill everyone? You forgot to put him in. Morrowinds' story stands out from all TES games.

>>388935445
link to the page?

>>388935879
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Skyrim:Alduin%27s_Bane

>>388935984
ty

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>>388935646
>hey i know you're a vampire hunter and you should slaughter me, but can you just escort me to my father's castle so i can give him this powerful artifact he needs to commit a genocide?

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name 1 (ONE) better character in whole The Elder Scroll series.
Protip: you can't

>that mod that lets you release Miraak from Yog-Sothoth by continuously blasting him with Bend Will at the final battle
>it's compatible with two mods that turns Miraak into a fully-(amateurly) voiced girl
>one sounds like a chinese/korean girl and the other has a cheap mic

>>388936605
haha that's so stupid can i get a link?

>>388935363
I use SSE exclusively and even I know that's not true. SexLab is literally a husk of what it was on oldrim, and it will be like that indefinitely as long as SKSE is dead in the water.

That said, they're making a lot of progress with the mods that'll make SSE an actual alternative. Legacy of the Dragonborn just got ported, several other great mods are getting ported, and a bunch of others are at least in the works (I personally am waiting for ETAC before I go back to SSE).

>>388935646
This is what happens when they try to make shit seem like a bigger threat than it really is in game.

>>388937197
>Legacy of the Dragonborn

I'm kind of new Skyrim modding escapades, but what is it aside from a big ass house to store your shit and quests to get more shit to store?

>>388937381
It's just a good quest for people who like hoarding shit, and since a lot of people like hoarding shit it's a really popular mod.

At the very least it's worth a try.

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>>388936749
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/43529/? for the miraak follower
It's cool on its own

the ones that turns him into girls are Lady Miraak and Queen Miraak
former is the cheap mic but decent voice, latter is the asian voice/accent, decent mic

>>388937531
I do like hording shit, plus allot of the artifacts would be neat to have but some of them (skullcrusher, Chrysamere and a few besides) I already have from other mods, having multiple would trigger my autism.

May try it out next run.

>>388932890

troll post

>alduin was akatosh as akatosh was alduin
>LDB was Lorkhan and Akarosh at the same time
>Lorkhan kills Alduin bringing hope to the fucked up tamriel, showing that MEN >>> nazi aldmeri elves
>Alduin Returns to that source as Akatosh again
>Akatosh is now complete once more and ready to fuck with some nazi elves, because men >>> knife eared assholes
>Somewhere in warcraft, the warp and FF multiverses, Tzeentch, Elune and bahamut hears a Loud "JUST AS PLANNED ASSHOLES, DO EET BETTER!" in a unified cringey reaction
>The LDB is now fucking lydia to create the next generation of lil dragonborns and become the next jarl of whiterun and high kings of skyrim, because lydia is Brogruff's Niece

>>388937629

Can you marry her? Is this a non-consensual genderbending?

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>>388935646
>can't decide which faction to play for
>make a save and choose the vampire hunters, and replay the other faction later
>both factions play out exactly the same and I mean completely identical

>>388935646
Bethesda really likes to make shit seem more grand than it really is.

>>388937998
Factions in this game suck ass, I always just side with the ones that tried to screw me over the least.

Fuck those faggot vampires attacking my towns at night until I beat this quest. Shit was so annoying.

>>388937998
Really unless your a mage and want that Amulet, that you can basically get other shit to be in it's stead, Dawnguard is the better faction, more gear, albeit situational, more spells, again situational and not great in vanilla, but to top if off you can become a vampire lord afterwards at anytime anyways due to Serana.

There's pretty much no reason to go with the vamps aside from 'I'm evil'

>>388937916
s/he's marriagable
Miraak completely turns into a girl with the mods
so you can hear female whispers while waking up at the stones and see her shittalking you while she steals dragon souls
NPCs dialogue still use he/him when referring to her though

AKSHUALLY

The Dragonborn and Anduin were both seperate halfs of Akatosh's soul in eternal conflict with one another and both represented the differing sides of his ideology.

>>388932890
Dagoth Ur is literally another religious fanatic. He has his own reasons, he has his own ways, he's not just "I just wanna fuck up world", but he definitely didn't anything right. Neither did Empire or Tribunal. VIvec had understood this, but couldn't do anything to fix, Almalexia wa another fanatic, Sotha Sil was fucking mechanic fixed autist. There's no good or at least "right" sides at Morrowind, you just make events happen, not justice.

>>388933453
>you're the chosen one
You are not the chosen one in Morrowind. There IS NO chosen one. You are similar enough to Nerevar that you could potentially mantle him but you do not have to and your ability to still kill Dagoth Ur without mantling Nerevar proves that it was bullshit the entire time that you had to be the chosen one to do it.

Pay attention to the plot of the games you play.

>>388933453
>ancient evil becomes self aware in the afterlife and memes himself into existance to exact revenge on the false gods who killed him and his lover/best friend

>>388936295
http://en.uesp.net/wiki/Lore:Sheogorath

>>388934651

If you just rush through the main quest, Dagoth Ur is just a serviceable villain. But if you delve into as much of the lore as you can, reading in-game books and putting pieces together, it really comes together well.

But the same can't be said of Alduin. You can put in a lot of work to try and puzzle out the metaphysics behind his purpose, but there will always be gaps because Bethesda just straight up didn't care enough to add enough.

>>388933453
>morrowind is literally an ancient evil has awoken and you're the chosen one to stop him
In the present time of Morrowind, Dagoth has been around for quite a long time. Also you're not the chosen one, you're one that can BECOME the chosen one. Have you even played the game?

>>388938717
>You are not the chosen one in Morrowind

Azura (who foretold the coming of the Nerevarine) tells you that you did good.

That's chosen enough.

>>388938956
That's what I'm saying Dagoth to the average person rushing is more present, I wasn't trying to say he was great to those people but okay, Alduin is just big murder Dragon to the average player.

>>388939097
Azura manipulates people

>>388939097
Azura is just another aedra-daedra, who, as you remember, are just literally demon princes with their own head problems.
Somehow you were chosen, yeah, not by fate itself but by some not even that powerful not even top kek god. And in case you fail you definitely could be replaced

>>388932890
New TES fucking when?
It has been 6 years already

>>388939226

You might say she chooses them.

>>388939313
When you keep buying the old one over and over? Not fucking likely.

>>388938717
>passing the seven trails to become the Nerevarine, the reincarnation of the Nerevar isn't being the chosen one

>>388938879

that is cheating, Sheogorath can even show up on RL if he wants to

>>388939281
>Somehow you were chosen, yeah, not by fate itself

It doesn't need to be fate in order to fulfill the requirements of a foretold savior. Just someone who says "Yeah, you'll do." That literally makes you chosen.

The writer of Morrowind was a legit crazyman. He didn't stick around afterwards.

>>388939375
They should at least make an effort and remaster Obilvion

>>388939387
You don't have to do that to best the main quest

>>388939441
Okay, so if some random on imageboard tells you "You're chosen", you'll become chosen? No, dude, it's not working like that.

>>388939549
>bethesda
>remastering anything
nice one

>>388938879
>>>/reddit/

>>388939387
You mantled the chosen one at that point
You could also skip it
And all the ghost at the cave were also "chosen ones" and that didn't do shit for them

>>388939731

They just weren't hardcore enough, you were. There is literally no canon in which the character in the events of Morrowind does not complete the prophecy. There is an explicit timeline following the events of Morrowind that says on THIS DATE, some fucker killed Dagoth Ur and destroyed the heart of lorkhan, and not any other date.

>>388939589
>Okay, so if some random on imageboard tells you "You're chosen", you'll become chosen?

Yeah, if that person foretold the coming of an appropriate person, waited until I showed up and did some nonsense, and declared me the right man for the job, I would be the chosen one. If I am attempting to complete the goal that they themselves have set, then they are the one who is the final arbiter of whether I am the appropriate individual or not.

>No, dude, it's not working like that.

That's exactly how it works. You are getting way too hung up on the idea that forces like fate and destiny must be the most important and most powerful.

>>388939554
>>388939731
>not doing a bunch of quests where someone tells you you're the chosen one means you aren't the chosen one despite being told so in the opening cinematic
>there being multiple chosen ones means you aren't a chosen one as well
pretty reaching desu

>>388939589
every fucking RPG in existence where you're "the chosen one" is because some chucklefuck tells you you are before you go on your quest, and literally the exact same happens in morrowind.

>>388939915
Okay, i'm telling you, that one, callen Hammurapin, reincarnation of babylonian king Hammirapi, should appear on this board.

Therefore as i see your posts i definitely see, that you're that Hammurapin. Now you must complete nine trials of Babylon and reclaim your throne.

Now go and fuck off, in case you wouldn't die don't forget to sacrifice something to me, when you'll reclaim said throne.

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>>388932890
That dialogue for Dagoth Ur is so beautiful. I've never played Morrowind, is everyone's dialogue always like that?

>>388939640

>not knowing that bethesda is helping Sky team with morrowind and oblivion

>not knowing that the NV and FO3 guys are receiving help from them and they need to keep their mouths shut

anon is more easier to give the tools for fans do it with guidance from them rather than do it by themselves an be blamed on later, atleast fans knows the metric lineup of bugs that both games has and they can fix it

>>388939842
You could literally skip the chosen one trials, be as un-chosen one as fuck and kill almost everyone in Morrowind including those that stay true to Azura and yet you could still Dagoth and finish the game and Azura still says 'grats

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>>388934228
pffft

>>388940160
>Now you must complete nine trials of Babylon and reclaim your throne

Nah, I'm not going to do that. If that disqualifies me from being the chosen one, then I accept that.

Too bad for me, I guess. You'll just have to wait for someone else to show up to do whatever, and then after they defeat the bad guy you can appear before them and tell them what a good job they did. Then they'll be the chosen one (or not, depending on how you feel).

>>388935041
>>388935119
What's wrong with ES Wiki?

>>388940178

He talks like that because he is literally an insane autist that has been living in a cave for thousands of years. Most NPCs are normal.

>>388940249

None of that ever matters because the things you CANNOT control are literally being transported to Morrowind after having a dream from Azura on the orders of the emperor who sees your potential to complete the prophecy, and the act of killing Dagoth Ur to actually complete it. Everything in between where you have the freedom of control is pointless. History books don't talk about the nerevine completing trials, or becoming the head of the houses/factions or murdering Vivec in his home or any of that. All the canon says is you were there and you killed Dagoth after being put there based on a prophecy. You are literally the chosen one.

>>388932890
Stop pretending the story is good in any of the elder scroll games

Far as i remember, Blizzard was also invited to participate on the Skyrim CClub

mainly because they loved skyrim and blizzard used a lot of shit from Morrowind to make Vanilla wow.

>>388940049
>>there being multiple chosen ones means you aren't a chosen one as well
how can they be chosen ones if they failed? how can there even be more than one chosen ONE?

>>388940535
Went to shit when the instituted timeline fuckery to avoid setting a canon ending to TES 2. From that point on, there's simply no canon.

>>388940234
>fixing game by yourself because bethesda doesn't give a fuck
>doing it for free
tes modders are pathetic

>>388940584

It's like Pokemon. When a trainer throws out the ball, he says "I choose you, Whateversaur." And then when it gets stomped, he picks another one, says the same thing and sends it to fight.

Just because a person is a chosen one doesn't mean they're going to win. They're chosen to try, but not necessarily succeed.

>>388940797

Dude they have patreon, even blizzard gave permission to Use their models or even remake them in Bethesda games

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>>388938642
I like how Vivec was just a dick who got caught up being the only sane guy in the Tribunal.

>>388940931
so chosen ones aren't special and are just titles
cool

>>388941061

Pretty much, yeah. They might get assistance in certain ways (like in a dream), but the idea that they cannot possibly fail is a false one.

>>388941061
>so chosen ones aren't special and are just titles
no shit you massive retard.

>>388941131
>>388941190
Then that doesn't make them Nerevarine

>>388941326

The Nerevarine isn't something that the universe came up with, it was an invention of Azura. If she says you're the Nerevarine, then you are. Even if you're just some dickhead Argonian strung out on skooma.

>>388941061
>>388941131

I don't recall, but did any of the failed Nerevarine candidates ever fulfill the condition about being transported to Morrowind under guard? From what Caius says, you received special attention by the emperor and sent to Morrowind.

>>388941326
and?

>>388941437
not entirely true
Azura dictates what a Nerevarine is, but you made yourself the Nerevarine by walking the path
Azura didn't decide who is the Nerevarine, she just said what the Nerevarine is...a criteria which you managed to fit on your own

>>388941567
This

>>388941437
>>388941658
You don't have Nerevar's soul inside you

>>388939097
Azura made a checklist at best.

>>388939313
With every game being worse than the last and all this paid mods bullshit, do you even want a TES 6?

>>388938478
But there's more than one Dragonborn. Miraak is the first Dragonborn, for one.
Where'd you get this idea?

>>388941567
>From seventh sign of eleventh generation,
Uncertain family that is important in some way.
>Neither Hound nor Guar, nor Seed nor Harrow,
But not from any of the Morrowind great clans/houses.
>But Dragon-born and far-star-marked,
Born in the Empire under a certain constellation (This is important because supposedly not everyone can use powers of their constellations as actively as the heroes can.)
>Outlander Incarnate beneath Red Mountain,
He is an outlander, self explanatory.
>Blessed Guest counters seven curses,
Again, he is a blessed outlander who will defeat the seven trials.
>Star-blessed hand wields thrice-cursed blade,
Star blessed hand refers to you wearing moon and star and thrice cursed blade is Keening.
>To reap the harvest of the unmourned house.
To fuck up house Dagoth and Dagoth Ur.

So the prophecy is, a guy from a family that is not one of the major families or houses in Morrowind, born under the Empire, he who was born under a special sign and can use powers of said sign, and he who is an outlander and a blessed guess will get moon and star and keening and proceed to fuck up Dagoth Ur.

Why has no other company tried to make an elder scrolls clone? How has no one tried to get in on that market?

There's been a few third person style attempts but never a first person immersive open world attempt.

>>388942691
He is misleading.
All Dragons are of Bormahu and everyone together makes up oversoul of Aka
Souls are made up of three knots as Neloth refers to it
Mortal souls have an Anuic remnant, the most important part of ones soul that goes to the afterlife and returns to Mundus through dreamsleeve. Mortal souls also have an Animus, it's part of your soul that gathers Magicka from around you and stores it, this is the part that is fused with enchanted objects when you enchant stuff with soulgems. And there is also a third part which is not named in the games but it is speculated to be Memory, part of your soul that lets your soul remember it's life and form in the visage of your body when you are a ghost.
All souls seem to share an Animus and Memory, according to ESO spirits also have a fourth part of the soul called Morphotype which allows them to change the shape of their body and their body to represent power and intensions of their soul. The difference is that only mortals have the Anuic remnant, Daedric vestige is different and does not go to an afterlife, instead when a Daedra is killed the vestige flies to Oblivion and lets the soul regenerate it's body through the souls Morphotype.
Similarily Dragons do not have an Anuic remnant, they have something similar to a Daedric vestige, lets call it a draconic vestige and instead it's Aedric. Said part of their soul makes them ageless, in tune with time and it's also partially connected between all of them since it's part of a larger oversoul thus when one Dragon dies near the other one the soul of said Dragon gets attracted to the nearest Draconic vestige.
Alduin is the first aspect born out of Bormahu, and he is the largest aspect of the Dragon in Mundus. Dragonborn is also just like Dragons an aspect of the Dragon. Alduin and Dragonborn fighting each other is technically speaking smaller parts of the same deity fighting itself...this being said this is true for any Dragon fighting another Dragon.

>>388942691
>>388943319
That being said, the interesting part is that there might be a strong case to make for the Dragonborn to be a Shezzarine, an incarnation of Lorkhan. In that case Dragonborn fighting Alduin would not only be the great Dragon God of time fighting itself, but also Lorkhan meddling with the soul of his soul twin brother once again, specifically when you defeat Alduin in Sovngarde.

>>388940178
No, Morrowind has a few standout NPCs that have very well written dialogue and quirks but most of the NPCs are just guidebooks to click topics from.