Quake

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>>388926450
>30 burgers for an early access game

I'll wait for raiders of the broken planet

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>>388926631
That's steam version only.
With bethesda launcher it's f2p (with 1 champ, the rest are behind grind / pay wall like in LoL and HotS).

>Champions
What's this? LoL?

>>388926716
>grind
I've heard the unlocks are real cash only. Did they change it?

>quake
>$30
>early access
>hero shooter
>load-outs

John Romero & John Carmack must be rolling in their graves

>>388926450
>game for grandpas and muh nostalgia
lol

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>>388926723
I like heroes over champions.

>>388926787
No it was never like that. You can get all the content for free from chests if you are lucky or "rent" them for 24h or something for in-game currency you get from playing like 2-3 games or making daily shit.
It sounds and looks stupid as hell and clearly on MMO / shitty MOBA like LoL side but that's about it.
I didn't want to bother with that so I just paid for the game instead.

That obnoxious purple glow is a start and there is way too much shit on the screen HUD wise.

>>388926716
It is? Like, right now?
I thought it was gonna be pay2play from now on until its released

>>388926805
I don't think load-outs really count considering all the starting weapons are shit. And there's nothing wrong with it being $30.

>>388926450
Not a fan of arena games. People who have insane reflexes are the only ones who are at the top of the leaderboards all the time.
that's a reason why they're not popular and why quake champions isn't taking off.

>>388926952
I don't mean the cosmetics, I mean the champions themselves.
When TotalHalibut they were only purchasable with real money.

>>388926805
>graves

Quake is a series of mechanical interactions where the coating over the top could be replaced with almost anything and it would make no difference.

I have no real interest in those mechanics and never really have.

>>388927076
>when he made a video about it
I meant.

>>388926805

Wait did Romero and Carmack die? When did this happen?

>>388926450
because i have a 60 hz screen and a 144hz screen is like 300 monies, don't fucking remind me

>>388926450
Too fast for me. I rather play Overwatch.

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Play quake champions

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>>388927004
>That obnoxious purple glow is a start
It's quad damage.

>>388927036
It is and they are planning to make it f2p on steam with the same system (1 hero available, the rest are locked on start) later I think.

>>388927076
I just posted a screenshot with a champion from a chest. I didn't pay anything for that and you can get champions randomly for free from chests as well.
You don't need to pay anything for chests too because you can buy them for in-game currency that you get for playing the game and doing some challenges like "win 10 games".

>>388926450

Can straight people play too?
Asking for a friend.

Can you put the weapon model in the middle like in DOOM?

Please tell me you can

>>388926450
Good god that HUD is awful.

>>388927350
If you unlock Quake 1 skins

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>>388927210
I play on 60hz too.

Perhaps I'd need to upgrade my old Dell u2410 for some fancy 30" IPS / 120hz+ display.

>>388927398
which means?

>>388927069
A lot of people think this, that the people that do well picked up the game and just started reking due to superior reflexes or some sort of innate ability

The truth is, that guy probably has hundreds of hours of playtime over you. He once was as bad as you or worse

Many people also moved over to QC after playing QL for years. It's more practice and experience than "insane reflexes"

>>388927298

Just because it's quad damage doesn't mean that isn't obnoxious as hell honestly.

>>388927432
A non-retarded game would by default allow you to set the weapon to the right side, the left side, the middle or as hidden. It means that you shouldn't play Champions.

>>388927380

I know right? It looks so fucking terrible. Way too much shit on the screen.

>>388927497
>20 year vets
I've been playing for 1.5 months are am starting to git gud.

>>388927497
>He once was as bad as you or worse

I played quake multiplayer a year ago, hopped in a lobby
spawned
looked around
died before I even saw the guy

happened 20 times in a row, had no fucking chance of getting even 1 kill. I don't know about you guys, but that isn't fun at all.

Why the fuck any normal person play an arena style game and go through that shit when I could hop on a different game that at least gives me more health and a chance to fight back?

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Am I the only one who thinks the HUD is fucking atrocious? Why don't they just make it look simplistic like old quake? There's no need for all this shit

>>388927628
I think what gets me the most is that it feels like there's an excel sheet pointlessly laid over the actual HUD, and all the icons are animated for no reason, as if you couldn't tell when you got shot or picked up health.

>>388927728
You should have gotten into it with friends, or other lower level players. Private server, LAN, etc.

If you hopped into a MMA ring with a semi-pro, you'd also not have much fun being KO'd in seconds. Seems like you hopped on a server with merciless Quakedad and now you think that's the average DM experience. You probably pitted your 1 min of experience against hundreds and hundreds of hours

>>388926450
My computer can't run it. :(

>>388927412
Human eye can't see past 30 FPS.

>>388926450
Because it's shit.

Devs need to do something new with the arena formula. Quake 3 gameplay is outdated as fuck.

Despite what you guys think, the only good "modern" arena shooter was Halo. Slow, consoles, aim assist- doesn't matter. It's still an arena game and it did something new that worked, no matter how hard you pout.

Someone needs to do something new with arena shooters, but keep the fast paced gameplay, which no one has done yet.

And no, adding in heros with "ults" doesn't count.

>>388927782
>Am I the only one who thinks the HUD is fucking atrocious? Why don't they just make it look simplistic like old quake? There's no need for all this shit

Same reason they don't want to allow players to use picmip.

Does Quake Champions have online only DRM?

>>388927917
Don't believe the official specs

I can get constant 100+FPS on a 580GTX. Most things on low, a few on medium, but I was already planning on having a nografix config

They really targetted the everyday, CSGO player PC

>>388927859
I'm just telling you the biggest problem with arena shooters and why they cannot take off. They need to find a way to ease new players into it rather than telling them to fight bots

>>388927983
>Slow, consoles, aim assist- doesn't matter.
Lol?
>it did something new
Except it didn't.
>that worked
It was like the only not utterly shit console FPS out there, that's why it got popular.

>>388928103
>They need to find a way to ease new players into it
Non-DM oriented team modes. It's not that fucking difficult, jesus.

>>388928051
You need a Toddland account.

I miss the time when shooters were just made to be fun. Not for microtransactions or competitive play.

reminder to not play over 30 fps or you're literally handicapping yourself by causing rubberband because by beths design tying netcode to FPS is a good idea

>>388928105
>timesplitters

>>388927069
>Insane reflexes
Funny because i bet you're the same kind of person who thinks fighting games only require insane muscle memory. When in reality arena shooters take map knowledge , good reads on opponents movement , reactions and decision making out the ass against other good people same with fighters requiring immense fundamentals reads and spacing.

Games that are about nothing but reactions are ones like garbage Souls PVP which hitting circle the second you see a animation is a high level game plan.

>lightning gun op as fuck
>announcer sounds like the q3 arena announcer with depression
>classes
>timers on quad damage
>shitty net code
>going to be thrown into the "arena shooter we thought we wanted but really don't" pile alongside UT4 in a few months
>bethesda

>>388928605
>with depression
Appropriate considering Ranger's personality in this game

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>>388926716
>bethesda launcher

>>388928591
>>Funny because i bet you're the same kind of person who thinks fighting games only require insane muscle memory.

At least fighting games ease you into the game, what do arena shooters do? throw you straight in and you die, after dying hundreds of times and learning the map, you realize that it's not just map knowlege, but you need an insane reaction time just to even have a chance to kill the other guy.

They added health in shooting games for a reason, reaction times in low TTK fps games is not enjoyable at all to a newcomer.
Say what you want but the proof is there, arena shooters don't sell anymore.

>>388928605
>lightning gun op as fuck

wew, like every other Quake game it's in

Not all weapons are meant to be equal. The Shotgun is never gonna be as good as the LG

>>388926450
i cant because i live in australia. a land of video gamers with the shit tastes of overwatch/dota/battlefield/LoL

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What the fuck is it with devs making bloated as fuck HUDs?

I had to clean up and get rid of all the useless shit

It's shit.

Do I really need another reason?

>>388927152
They were killed in an unreal tournament.

>>388926952
What's the difference between the F2P Bethesda launcher version and the paid Steam version?

>yet another quake 3 clone with x gimmick
whats the point
give me new weapons

>>388929713
Tri-Bolt

>>388926450
Just how fucking long does that Quad Damage last?

>Shop system
>Quake

No thanks.

>>388929459
>What's the difference between the F2P Bethesda launcher version and the paid Steam version?

You can only buy early access version on steam and you will get all champs unlocked from start.

You can buy or you can play for free with bethesda launcher with Ranger available as the first champ.

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>>388929932
You have to attract nu-males somehow

>>388929459
You can only play the from the Bethesda launcher if you got into beta. It's not going into real f2p until early 2018

>>388926450
Because I played Quake 3 17 years ago

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>>388926716
>With bethesda launcher it's f2p
Wait what?

How do I get it for free? I tried using the Bethesda launcher yesterday, but it asked for a code.

>>388929713
I don't get it either. I'm okay with Quake going forward as a franchise to try new stuff, but QC doesn't do that. It uses the looks of old weapons and levels, but they only slightly change it. The new shotgun looks like the old shotgun, but instead of shooting bird shot, it shoots slugs. The game also plays pretty fucking slow in comparision to QL.

QC should've done new stuff with the Quake IP, instead they try to sell you some bootleg Q3.

>>388929932
Real players don't care about cosmetics.

>>388926450

guns are ugly, just waste screen space

>>388927432
Weapon skins that are based off Quake 1 use centered weapons

Why the fuck does everyone play either Anarki or Sorlag? When will a game mode with no abilities arrive to fix this shit

Because Overwatch is better. Also buying "heroes" is scummy and I would not support any game that uses that model.

>>388930171
What radical change would you have made to Quake that didn't involve new champions.

Old maps are there for a reason too, they are good.

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>>388930129
So?
I returned to play QC and the last time I played Quake was like 2002 with Q3 OSP.

Having fun so far. Not gonna grow skill-wise obviously and I play with people who have way better aim than me but I don't mind it.

>>388928914
it's op in a sense that all other weapons are underpowered unless they buffed the rocket launcher since i stopped playing

>>388930180
Except that cosmetics in this game have stats and thanks to no force enemy model they also have different sizes.

>>388926450
SLOWW

>>388929713
>I want something new!
>Wait, this isn't pure!
You faggots, every time.

>>388930290
I'd rather have a new quake game that doesn't feel like Q3. Plus isn't there no mods on QC?

>>388927782
The only bad thing there IMO is the XP. Everything else is not too bad.

Would be nice to be able to customize it still

>>388930249
You buy the game like an adult and you get them all. The f2p is more like a trial

>>388930074
Very unwise post.

>>388930323
Yeah but this is the THIRD Q3 rehash. enough is a enough already.

>>388930137
Same way you could play CBT.

Register a bethesda's account and use bethesda launcher (which is shit but what can you do).

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>>388926450
I can't aim with a mouse and Destiny 2 comes out in less than a week

I'll take whatever pictures you have to Nyx, though

>>388927069
CS: GO rewards aimbot skills more than Quake doews and look how popular it is.

People complain about reflexes, like they complain about mechanics in Starcraft. But the truth is that what they really suck at is everything else.

>>388926450

Because i bought xcom 2 wotc. Probably going to get it next month or so.

>>388930379
Still has the option, with likely future chracters also locked behind a paywall. Again, not supporting commie developers

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>>388930341
>I'd rather have a new quake game that doesn't feel like Q3. Plus isn't there no mods on QC?

No.
Play OW or LB then, QC feels almost identical to Q3 but with various additions like heroes with CPMA movements and some wall jumps / double jumps, slides, etc.

>>388926450
Because arena shooters are boring? The webm is just a retard going sanic and jumping like a retard with some spraying n praying.
The absolute state of skill!

>>388930563
Found the shitter

>>388926805
John Romero has always been a joke that acted like a rockstar in the 90s video game industry (fucking lol) and took credit for other's work and then proved he's nothing but shittalk with his own failure of a game. He's been a dead meme squandering his fortune ever since.

Respect for Carmack, you've probably run a bunch of his code.

>>388926450
Game didn't even load when I tried it during the beta

>>388926450
So im new to quake. Why does this game devolve into Rocket launcher circle jerk? Please explain

>>388930303
>cosmetics in this game have stats
No they don't

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Because shooters destroy my good brain cells T_T

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/08/07/playing-shooter-video-games-damages-brain-study-suggests/
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4768834/Violent-shooter-video-games-really-rot-brain.html
http://nypost.com/2017/08/08/playing-these-video-games-could-lead-to-brain-disease/

>>388930778
Pick up railgun
Kill them from afar

Problem solved

>>388930778
>So im new to quake. Why does this game devolve into Rocket launcher circle jerk? Please explain

It's more like LG circle jerk now.

Why do so many people hate having multiple characters with different abilities? Q3's core gameplay has already gotten stale for most people who played it so I don't see why adding variety will be a bad thing unless the implementation is absolute shit.

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Hmm... I was about to post how shit QC is, and how much better it would be by just being a Q3 remaster.
But then I remembered one thing - hitboxes. Video game development progressed so much since the times of Q3, meaning players with the same weapons, same health, armor and speed would only have one thing different about them - their character model. But with the tech being so more powerful and precise, their hitboxes would be drastically different, making bigger models so much more disadvantageous.

Back in the day when I played Q3 I didn't even use to think about underlying game mechanics like this. How did the original Q3 deal with that?

>>388930817
I get more cancer from seeing a daily mail link once than from a lifetime of gaming

>>388930778
Because half the weapons in the game are useless.

>>388930778
There are many weapons in Quake, but the holy trinity of weapons really is the Rocket Launcher, the Lighning Gun and the Railgun.


If you are getting destroyed by the RL, try to get better at movement and dodging, don't pursue a defensive player spamming rockets into a hallway and maybe use the lightning gun in an open flat area or the rail gun from afar..

>>388930876
All player models have the same hitboxes in Q3, their actual models don't correspond to them unlike in QC

>>388930661
/thread

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>>388926450
>no reloading
>only relies on being high on caffine and twitch spraying for kills
>doesn't require any tactics, meta, skill based posistioning, team understanding, character understanding, map knowledge

Quake champions is like babbys first fps
literally just run and shoot

>>388930867
Because RPG elements like these are inherently less balanced and less representative of each player's individual skill than simple mirror matches on an even ground. Which isn't necessarily bad if you just want to have some casual fun with the game.

>>388930278
New weapons that don't fall into the typical Q2-Q3 archetypes, that have interresting gimmicks or patterns to them.

Abilities transforming depending on the type of kills you do per life, to reward players who stay alive. Like after 3 melee kills your teleporter gets upgraded to a hitscan that cannot telefrag anymore, but instead swap your target with yourself which would allow you to steal armor and powerup control.

Official mutators and dedicated servers. Like a deathmatch mode where you get a random mutator applied to you everytime you make a kill. Like some sort of casino quake.

Every character should have uncapped speed and should have the same armor/hp from the start.

>>388931005
Mediocre bait

>>388930661
I bet most of those faggots aren't even that good at shooters, pretty much the same cancerous crowd of posers who think auto combos ruin fighting games.

>>388926450
I don't support shit netcode.

>>388927069
>I should be rewarded for being bad at videogames where im inherintely bad or bad because I don't want to learn it

Did you ever consider that maybe shooters aren't for you?

I missed the days when I could buy a game and have the content not behind paywalls and rng lootboxes.

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>>388930557
>QC feels almost identical to Q3
t. never played q3

>>388931145
>he thinks shooters are all the same.

Arena shooters are nothing like the other ones.

>>388931148
Uh, you can?

>>388926450
that looks painfully slow and boring

>>388931314
Compared to what

>>388931283
You want a game where everyone is equal.
FPS by definition don't make you equal.

>>388931038
>RPG elements
Sounds very different that rpg elements, it sounds more in line with having different characters in a fighting game or something since they have different abilities instead of just stats. If anything this just adds more to the metagame since now you have to learn how to deal with different characters and their respective advantages instead of just learning the metagame. If all the characters don't deviate too much from the core gameplay and lack op skills then I don't see how it is less representative of the skill of an individual player

>>388931058
> New weapons that don't fall into the typical Q2-Q3 archetypes, that have interresting gimmicks or patterns to them.

Easier said than done. Thing with Q3 weapons is that its pretty much a perfect balance, each of them has a well defined role and they rely on solid simple design rather than gimmicks like UT.

They added the Tri-Bolt, and it already feels hilariously out of place.

> Abilities transforming depending on the type of kills you do per life, to reward players who stay alive. Like after 3 melee kills your teleporter gets upgraded to a hitscan that cannot telefrag anymore, but instead swap your target with yourself which would allow you to steal armor and powerup control.

That sounds terrible.

> Official mutators
I do think they should really add a server broswer with custom game modes yeah- Still, Quake Live does these sort of things already.

> Every character should have uncapped speed and should have the same armor/hp from the start.

Good abilities are balanced out by mediocre stats. If you have all characters have the same, but have different abilities it will be too obvious which abilities are better.

Besides, one of the coolest things about QC is having different movement modes, classic Quake, CPMA air control, crouch sliding, double tap dodging.... I think its pretty cool

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>>388931225
Q3 is the only Quake I played a lot, Q2 as well but way less.
Don't post if you are a clueless newfag.

>>388930965
>the holy trinity of weapons
That's a nice way of saying 'every gun in the game is shit except for these three'

>>388931375
Nobody ever said that though so you're wrong.

>>388930661
Quake Live was neither a pure rehash of Quake 3 and only late in its life was a gimmick added, and it's still bitched about

>>388931424
The tri-bolt is fucking horrible. If I run out of LMG ammo and all I have is the tri-bolt, I get my gauntlet out and suicide charge cause it actually might get a kill

>>388926450
shall I list the reasons why?

-only 2-3 guns matter
-hitreg is fucked
-classes are retarded and only the ones with strafe jumping are viable
-garbage UI
-garbage aesthetics (worse than Lawbreakers)
-tiny player base

Quake worked when it was a normie game with a server browser and most people were new and learning. Now it's a tiny niche of experienced people who can't stroke their dick unless they have a 5-1 K:D

It can't bring in a sustainable player base anymore, especially when the best idea QC has to offer is "split the different game physics up by class!" - because that totally doesn't make things even more obtuse for new players

>>388930817
>call of duty
rmyt

>>388931587
>Quake worked when it was a normie game with a server browser and most people were new and learning

What?
More like Quake 1-2-3 worked when there was no competitors and that worked until CS replaced it completely in internet cafes and on LAN tournaments.

Generation Z gamers are too fucking stupid to get good at Quake (any Quake, doesn't even matter if that's QC or Q3) and they'd rather play casul shit like PUBG because their idol streamers are playing it as well.

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>>388929049
>Health and armor is full when white
>turns red when lost
>instead of just disappearing from the hud
What retard decided your health and armor shouldn't be readable in your peripheral vision

>>388931481
In classic Quake, not really.

Shotgun and Plasma and Grenade Launcher are situationally very strong. But they are not general combat weapons like the LG or RL

In QC I might agree though. Super Nailgun is in a really bad place IMO. Shotgun is unreliable as fuck because of spread vs player hitboxes and outclassed by the buffed Gauntlet. TriBolt is a joke. Only the Heavy Machine Gun is decent.

>>388931587
> classes are retarded and only the ones with strafe jumping are viable

hahahahaha

>>388930323
wow its like two different people have two different opinions

>>388931779
>fucking stupid to get good at Quake

no it's because it's a shitty fucking game that relies only on your reflexes and nothing else.

>>388931779
>Generation Z gamers are too fucking stupid to get good at Quake
Don't kid yourself, getting good at Quake or UT or SF or literally any game is just about time

Gen Z gamers don't WANT to get good at Quake because no one fucking cares that in the 90's there were a grand total of two online shooters on the market and they were riddled with movement glitches

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>>388931875
>saying any weapon that's not a rocket launcher, lightning gun, or railgun is worth ever even having out in this shit game
OK kids, tell me where it goes

i played the alpha and bought th egame on steam, problem?

>>388931963
Holy shit that's hilarious. There are actually people that believe this

>>388932026
Read my post again fucknugget

>>388930171
>The new shotgun looks like the old shotgun, but instead of shooting bird shot, it shoots slugs.
what the fuck are you talking about

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>>388931963
>no it's because it's a shitty fucking game that relies only on your reflexes and nothing else.

Yeah that's why Rapha is a world champions with mediocre aim against aim bots like evil and other quake pros.

Retarded nu-male shitter.

>>388932098
See you when I get off work

>>388932118
>HMG is decent
oh hey look it's the trash

Finally all the self proclaimed Quake vets on /v/ will have something to play. Can't wait to see you guys dominating the leaderboards.

>>388926450
One look at that video tells me that I am not good enough to play it and never will be.

That's aside that I'm just not interested in most arena shooters anymore.
I am into splatoon 2 right now, but it's pretty much the antithesis of the game in that webm.

>add in hero abilities
>remove good netcode
>change literally nothing else (fuck up on rocket lanwchair too but that might've been fixed now??)
>sell it as a new game
g o t y
g o t y
g o t y

So who won 1 million dollarydoos?

>>388931832
As long it's just cosmetics with no gameplay-affecting stats it's a non-issue.

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>>388930661
>I want to play Quake!
Quake Live

>I want to play something with the speed of an arena shooter but with modern mechanics!
Lawbreakers

>I want to play a fucked up half-remake of Quake with heroes and microtransacations and hitreg somehow worse than games from the 90's
Quake Champions

Everyone's happy

was just playing it for a few hours. fun game. had to get used to mouse sense and fov but after i got that dialed in shit was cool

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>>388928912
>baaww why is everything so hard guise
Holy shit, god saves us if you have to work your lardass for once in your life to win a match in the post-ironical age of 2017, nuh uh.
I think is time for you to take the 9mm pill.

>>388931875
>Plasma
In what possible situations is it any better than LG or rocket?

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>>388931969
>Gen Z gamers don't WANT to get good at Quake because no one fucking cares that in the 90's there were a grand total of two online shooters on the market and they were riddled with movement glitches

Generation Z is fucking terrible at games and this generation is the most retarded and legit stupid of all.
The vast majority of games were dumbed down to cinematic console 24 fps press X to win experience and that's why we see utter garbage like OW or Destiny with auto aim and garbage movement mechanics instead of skill-based games like Quake Champions that are WAY OVER THE TOP of Generation Z average skill.

Face the fact, kiddo, shitters just can't handle the challenge.
In fact, not being able to handle challenges is another problem of Generation Z and you'd know that if you were at least slightly educated.

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>>388926450
>Why don't you play Quake Champions?
Because I'm playing the superior game, Unreal Tournament.

>>388932338
You start with one shit hero with no mobility and have to buy or randomly unlock the ones that aren't shit

>>388926450
I did, here was my experience with it.

>Spawn
>look for ammo
>die
>spawn
>see guy
>does a 360 and oneshots me
>spawn
>look around
>die
>spawn
>finally see I guy and shoot him
>does some weird jumping and completely wrecks me
>contintue like this for 5 matches
>only get one kill
>uninstall

Boring as fuck

>>388932436
Or you can, you know, actually buy the game and get full access to all currently available and as of yet unreleased heroes.

>>388932180
It is. Its decently reliable, has an accurate zoom mode, has good DPS specially against big champions.

Still outclassed by the big three. But its not like with the NG or Shotgun where you might actually prefer to have the gauntlet out

wheres capture the flag you fucking bethestards
I know it's you posting in this thread

what the fuck do you mean its "considered"?
fuck you

>>388931587
You can strafe jump with any fucking hero, retard.

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>>388932529
>spawn
>loot the house
>find car
>move to another house
>camp
>die / not die

Boring as fuck.

>>388932425
>that's why we see utter garbage like OW or Destiny with auto aim and garbage movement mechanics instead of skill-based games like Quake Champions
hahaha, you actually believe that shit don't you.

You honestly believe that the generation that grew up with internet and gaming as a given are worse at using it? Please.

The reason you see more shallow experiences dominating is because the gaming market shifted. Back when Quake and UT were new not only were they the only game in town but the only people who could play it were the people already good at using computers and navigating the early internet.

There are still just as many people with skilled aim, with high map sense and good mobility, there are just many many MANY MANY MANY more people playing video games period.

You're a retard

>>388932431
>playing
Game is already dead

>>388932658
destinys more of a pve loot game imo. has nothing to do with competitive shooters like ow or quake

>no community made maps
>no community servers so you can play daily with a group of alright lads with ok ping rather than screeching br monkeys with pingspikes
why is every shooter these days some kind of "dev only" zone?

>>388932645
ok

It's dead on arrival.
Also
>Early acess Quake game with cash shop that'll be infested with f2p players with one hero

>>388932680
>dead
It takes me longer to find a match in QC than it does in UT, tbqh.

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>>388932574
You can, but it'll only accelerate on certain classes

>>388932529
git gud

>>388932413
Spamming teleporter, long range spamming, better for retreating as you take cover from hitscan, nail climbing/jumping and when your opponent is going in a straight line at you.

Its basically the opposite of a LG which shines in open areas at mid range.

But yeah, most of the time you'd rather have LG
>>388932529
Yeah... you actually need to git gud to play this game. Just aiming and shooting at a guy who didnt see you is not a free kill unlike in your favorite FPS

Take it (and get good) or leave it

>>388932743
>no community servers

why does everyone do this now? shit fucking sucks. i miss my servers with autistic nerds that i get to know, that one kid with the gay accent, that one bro who worked out all the time, that edgy cigarette smoking guy who always talked about 9/11 and shit, that beta dorky guy. you know those servers /v/.

>>388932786
Strafe jumping implies acceleration.

Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about, how about you go back to PUBG?

PS: If you are talking about air control, that is CPMA movement, not strafe jumping

>>388932840
Casuals are too dumb for server browsers

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>It's already dying

I HURT MYSELF TODAY

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>>388932818
>Take it (and get good) or leave it
I love that these threads are a constant flip-flop between
>PLEASE PLAY OUR DED GAME
and
>GTFO SCRUB IF YOU DON'T LIKE IT FUCK OFF

You fags let Lawbreakers die so now it's my turn to watch a ship sink.

>>388932970
im not even linked on steam when i play and i assume lots arent

>>388932658
>You honestly believe that the generation that grew up with internet and gaming as a given are worse at using it? Please.
Absolutely. Everything is made retard-proof now as to be accessible to the widest market possible

>>388926450
Not good at these games, not really fun for me.

>>388932786
All champions have some form of momentum, some have a different top speed.

Games like overwatch have no acceleration on any heroes to ensure console kids can hit something. Hopping slowly to the objective in these games is a chore.

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>>388932893
>Try to strafe jump
>oops wrong character nigger your accel and velocity that way is capped
>go pick anarki, faggot

>>388933035
And what we have here, class, is what's called "rhetoric"

This anon has taken an anecdotal and likely heavily flawed observation, presumed it to be universal, then presumed that whatever slightly cohesive narrative first pops into his brain must be hard fact.

This is because this poster is a child.

>>388933164
All the champions except Visor are capped, get your facts straight.

What sets anarki apart is air control.

>>388932990
> You fags let Lawbreakers die so now it's my turn to watch a ship sink.

Good luck

>>388933261
Good argument

So this feels more like Overwatch instead of Quake Live?

>>388933313
>All the champions except Visor are capped
They have different caps you colossal moron

>>388932990
>You fags let Lawbreakers die so now it's my turn to watch a ship sink
Oh hi Cliffy

>>388933369
Provide something of substance worth arguing

You may as well be asserting ghosts exist

>>388933375
kind of like overwatch + quake live

also wheres muh fucking ctf
muh freeze tag
muh clan arebna
>>388933313
hi what are speed and air speed caps

>>388926450
>Quake live ruined with classes
>Ruined with speed caps
>Ruined with insane pushback on lighting gun
>Going fast literally suicide

>>388933390
I didn't say they werent different

>>388933547
Yeah LG is some bullshit right now, if it hits you in the back while strafejumping away you get fucking launched into space.

>>388933516
>also wheres muh fucking ctf
>muh freeze tag
>muh clan arebna

So it has only deathmatch? That sucks.

weren't they adding a no-difference-between-characters mode?
would've helped in allowing newbies to battle out on their own while keeping vets more positioned in the classic-mode

>>388932658
>You honestly believe that the generation that grew up with internet and gaming as a given are worse at using it? Please.

It is.
Back in my days we never needed some fucking tutorials for low IQ retards and now you can't make a game without explaining everything and spoonfeeding the literal retards who can't make a tiny research on their own.

Generation Z can't handle any challenges, every modern game is getting easier and dumber than games 5-10 years ago.
Hell that's why you Western cucks are praising Japan because Japan is still making normal games with normal difficulty like Dark Souls.
Except it's considered like HARDCORE AS HELL by Generation Z.

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Bought it yesterday.
>Start game, go into settings
>Can't play with textures higher than medium for some reason
>Ok, lets play a match
>Constantly getting railed by enemy team, can't even grab a weapon half the time.
>Everyone's hopping around like autists
>Lag out the fucking ass, holy shit.
>Second match
>Getting the hang of it, can grab weapons and managed to get some kills
>Start getting the distinct impression that only some weapons matter
>More hopping
>Third match
>Lag again, otherwise its a repeat of match 2.
>Everyone's using the lightning gun, rockets or green laser thing.
>Everyone's hopping.

I'm currently at 55 minutes of playtime, and I honestly don't know whether to play a bit more or just refund it. Between half the weapons being crap, no secondary fire and only a couple of game modes, it feels like this game will get repetitive quickly.

>>388926952
>rent them for 24h
LOL

>>388933547
>Ruined with speed caps
>Ruined with insane pushback on lighting gun
>Going fast literally suicide

That's why Claws won Quake Con with Anarki, Nyx and Sorlag, right? Retard.

>>388933892
Welcome to Quake.

>>388933547
>Ruined with insane pushback on lighting gun

You never played Q3 or Quake Live did you

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>>388933953
What the fuck are you laughing at, bitch?
Rent or fuck off.

>>388933892
Weapons are complimentary in Quake

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>>388932990
Same way as the detractor's arguments
>LE ARENA SHOOTERS WILL NEVER TAKE OF, NOBODY PLAYS THEM
then
>ARENA SHOOTERS ARE HARD, EVERYONE WHO PLAYS THEM SAYS THE SAME THING GUISE, COME ON!
You can't be pleasing your jewish overlords with your doublethink all the time shill, you have to commit to one of your "arguments" if you want to shitpost. not that you have a valid argument to propose anyway

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>>388926450

>females are ugos

>it isn't quake

>i already play the superior overwatch

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>modern id game
>only 11gb

phew

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>>388934152
>superior overwatch

>>388933884
>Back in my days we never needed some fucking tutorials
I'm gonna bet "your days" were the mid 2000's, but that's neither here nor there.

The gaming audience expanded from nerds and pencil pushers to almost the entire consumer base. Of course tutorials are going to be necessary, and of course the most popular games that make the most money are going to be the simplest to pick up. You'd have to be a complete fucking moron to look at the massive growth of the market and the merging of PC/console markets and think there must be an actual decrease in the number of skilled players. It's fucking asinine.

You need to learn some critical thinking skills and realize that just because a narrative is internally cohesive doesn't mean it's accurate.

>>388930427
No? I registered an account, signed in to the launcher and when I try to install the game it asks me for a code, when I try to launch it manually with flags to the exe it says I don't have authorization to that game.

Now Bethesda has my information and I have no game.

>>388933884
Back in the day everyone was shit at Quake, same with Starcraft. Now its filled with people good at it

You need to know the mechanics you could safely ignore at lan parties

>>388934358
I had the same shit happen, I had a code but the launcher never worked. Glad they gave that shit up and brought the game to steam

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>>388934142
Anon...

"Play our game" and "Fuck off, don't play our game" are two diametrically opposed ideas. The humor comes from the dissonance of both ideas being conveyed by the same person and/or group.

"Arena shooters are hard" and "Nobody plays arena shooters" are not diametrically opposed statements. In fact one could easily argue one supports the other.

I think you may have brain problems.

>>388934358
>>388930427
>>388930137
>>388926716
AFAIK it's only free on the beth launcher if you participated in the earlier betas.

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>>388926450
>Falling for the "class shooter" meme

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What did Quake Champions mean by this?

>>388934768
we need the virgin audience

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>>388934768

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Skin tight suits with good looking ladies in it are the best!!!!

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Just bought it

Fuck you all. Why do I keep falling for /v/'s shit

do you HUMPH every time you jump?

>>388934952
i feel the same way, anon

Quake 3 has an underboob chick. They'll push out more waifus and skimpier clothing after early access mark my words. No gooks though cause id is Texan.

>>388935015
I'm downloading as I type this...please don't be the typical experience. day of infamy only ever has 3 to 400 players but it has a server browser so I can always find a full game, Bethesda will never have server browser because bethesda

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>>388926450

>less players than Battleborn and Lawbreakers.

Not falling for another dead video game.

>>388932164
>rapha
>mediocre aim

Kek. If Cypher is a 9/10, rapha's a solid 7.5 or 8/10. The average pub star is "mediocre", his aim is well above average

>>388935015
I find a match in under 2 minutes every single time. Are you in bumfuck egypt

>>388935015
Stop being australian?

>>388932436
doesnt Ranger have the teleport? How's that no mobility?

>>388932537
>Buying Overwatch Champions
LOL

>>388935015
>>388935141

Just refund if there's nobody to play with in your area. Quit being dramatic

>>388926450
Most of my country uses horrible copper for Internet

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>>388934027
Welcome to Quake, the game where everyone lags and half the guns don't matter.

>>388935104
>id is texan
oh yeah...are they still in Dallas? They probably just got some rain not much else

>>388932762
>>388930661


Arena shooters wont ever be popular or have mainstream appeal.

Just like fighting games.

But thats ok those genres are made for a niche audience that enjoys them.

If you change too much the original niche audience will dislike the game as being casualized and the general public still wont like the game because its too hardcore for them.

This marketeers wet dream game that manages to attract both audiences simply doesnt exist.

Look at something like overwatch which is aimed at the turbo casual player, but still pretends its competitive esports, and where the pros all leave the game in droves, because its shallow as fuck and the casual player starts hating any minor change that is made for the more competitive audience.

>>388932436
Ranger has fast-ish top speed and the best mobility tool in the game, the Dire Orb

I think only Anarki, Visor, Clutch and Slash can go faster than him

>>388935742
Visor seems pretty damn op.
>tanky
>fast and the only uncapped character in the game
>has legalized wh

>>388935938
When i played bj, nyx and sorlag have been the top tier characters.

But that was a while ago and apparently they nerfed bj

>>388935938
Visor is honest. Lack of cap almost never comes into play. It's rather unusual to break 600 just through strafejumping

If we ever get CTF it could shine for flag running

>>388936040
If you played back when BJ was good, you played it when Clutch was the god tier of QC

I just closed it
It's fun but it's getting onto my nerves sometimes
last night i had 80 ping and now i have 110-120. I don't know if i'm just burned out or is the ping really making such a drastic difference in this game but i can't land a fucking rocket for shit and the enemy team always does all the time.

where is push to talk in options? all I see is voice chat on/off and it isn't in keybinds either

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>>388926450
I'm too old, i want to get into it but it just doesn't do for me what it used to.
Few games do, it's hard to get my escapism anymore.

>tfw after getting 70 lore I unlocked a skin
>it's fucking Clutch
this shit takes way too long

>>388935226
Average pub star is not a pro-player.
There are plenty of crazy good aimers in Quake on every Quake Con but they are not winning it and Rapha does because of his tactics and superior understanding of the game.

Clawz on the other hand has insane aim and he won QC Quake Con but that makes the difference between Q3/QL and QC - you can't be in control in QC consistently and you can't have 200/200, that's why insane aim-bots have more chances to win against people with average aim but good intelligence like Cooller and Rapha.

>>388936382
I'm fucking 28 years old and I have nieces going to school and I still doing pretty well in QC.

>>388935380
He also barely takes damage from Rocket Jumping and Nail Climbing

>>388936571
You called rapha's aim "mediocre". You're insane. That he is a complete, "tactical" player that wins primarily with things other than aim doesn't mean his aim isn't utterly world-class. He's in the top 10 of aimers, period

https://youtu.be/a8sG7l0NSOw

Rapha VS strenx. Strenx, pictured here and also easily in the top 10 of best ever aimers, is in disbelief over rapha's aim. Rapha finishes the duel with 90% (ninety percent) rail

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>>388936714
>28
>old

>>388936714
No you aren't, don't lie

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>>388928912
>fighting games ease you into the game
In my experience the "you're going to get paired up against gods and get completely wrecked" problem is even larger in fighting games than arena shooters. I suck at most arena shooters but if I want to play DOOM TDM on Zandronum (which is obviously less skill-intensive than Quake but still has the trappings of an arena shooter) I feel like I can reasonably hold my own because even if I'm not doing well my teammates might be, and I was over time able to get reasonably high in the leaderboards when I played sometimes. Fighting games are 100% on you, and if you aren't experienced you better pray you get paired against something of a reasonable skill level or you're going to get infinite-combo'd for 60 seconds and then have to re-queue. Goddamn I want to like games like Skullgirls but I can only play the single player content because of how good the only people who still play the game in lobbies are. Feels like I'd have to hop on the latest fighting games with the biggest install bases like Street Fighter V and MvC:I if I wanted to find players of my skill level but I hear both of those games are shit compared to the older games that less people play.

tl;dr: in arena shooters, unless you're playing pure DM you have teammates who can back you up and keep you from getting rolled as hard (unless they're all as new as you), while you can't in fighting games.

>>388936867
10 years ago he would've been an 18 year old in 2007 playing TF2, CS:S, COD4, etc.

20 years ago he would've been an 8 year old right in the heyday of the arena shooter before CS came along and stole the throne, and Halo later castrated it.

Math is pretty comfortable on this one.

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>>388930430
>I can't aim with a mouse

what?

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There are actually people posting in this thread right now that say Quake is boring because they suck at it.

>>388926787
you heard wrong

>>388927069
>not a fan of video games, I'm shit at them

>>388934334
I wish I were as smart as you anon.

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>>388937360
>he thinks all games are the same and require insanely high reflexes

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>>388926450
>Tfw all humanoid characters are white.

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>>388937838
>tfw the leaks are right and Commander Keen gets announced
>they make him black

I stopped playing on PC like two years ago.

>>388937782
Just like quake most competitive multiplayer games require a larger amount of practice to perform well or even perform mediocre.

>>388932537
>buying dead games

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>>388938035

>Keel, Hunter and Major/Athena are black

>Hunter is still the amazonian goddess made by Simon Bisley

galena has a cool design, but is her ability useless in solo?

>>388937305
The best one is
>it takes no skill, it's just twitch shooting

>>388938374
you can use it to heal yourself and place it at the other side of portals, then proceed to bait them by chasing you into one

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>watch grand finals of QC at quakecon
>it's literally these people going back and forth on a beeline for the best drops while avoiding each other and trying to catch each other in a doorway with a psychic rocket until they get lucky then run in with the lightning gun

>>388938564
whatever works man.

So its true, the blizzard shilltards from /vg/Arena/ decided to shitpost here on /v/ too about

>QC and VQ3 is BAD, OW CPMA IS SUPERIOR

does blizzard pays these guys per hours to keep shitposting like this on every FPS general

>>388938374
its dangerous in maps like bloodrun, mainly because the totem buff + LG

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>>388937071
>10 years ago he would've been an 18 year old in 2007 playing TF2, CS:S, COD4, etc.

I stopped playing any arena shooters in 2002-2003 with Q3 OSP and never ever played any Quake after that, never even installed Quake Live on my PC.
Instead I played WC3 Dota and Dota 2 after that with lots of single player games.

Decided to try QC because I kinda had nothing to play ATM and I was already invited to play with tryhard pubstars, we do 4x4 inhouse matches and sometimes play match making (which is boring as fuck because no good opponents against us in 99% games).

Don't find excuses and get good kiddo.

>>388936832
Pretty old considering that the average age on 4chan is like 14.

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>>388938331
Well Hunter IS black.

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>>388935938
It's really not, since his ability as OP as it may sound in wallhacking it's not a damaging or defensive one, so when you're out of weapons you can't just bullrush someone at first spawn or spit acid or punch them in the face with berserk pack or teleporting away like all the other characters do.

Still I really really like the new Visor design. Easily the best in the cast right now.

>>388935938
No Visor is in fact pretty fucking useless.

No one picks him for duels or team modes.

>>388938564
I mean, a lot of Quake and other arena shooters has always been about claiming territory in the sense that you are getting items but you are also denying your enemy items. Ever since the 90s many matches have been decided by that race.

And at that level of play, skirmishes are going to be Mike Tyson-speed levels of takedowns with how fast it's gonna go, not long drawn out slugfests where they chip at each other.

Get one good slug in then press your advantage.

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>>388938882

Black Amazonian goddess drawn by simon bisley

>>388938979
The difference is that they're not jousting. They're not gaining speed to try to fly by and get a flick shot while going fast enough to not get shot first, they're just going back and forth and firing at doorways until they hear that they hit something

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quake live is right fucking there and you should already have it
why should you support bethesda ??? lol

>>388926787
I've gotten 3 champs from chests through playing the game in 1 week. There aren't many champions either.

I really like it but I dislike how Anarki's hitbox is so fucking small and how can he dribble around like a jet compared to anything else
Also I feel the rockets are strange. Like they sometimes teleport in front of you after firing or sometimes the splash doesn't hit when it should.

>>388930430
>Can't point and click
How are you even functioning?

>>388938613
I'm glad they're spending all of their time here. /arena/ loves QC now

>>388926450
Am I imagining things or is that kind of slow for a quake game?
Also
>No clan arena
>No freeze tag
>Not even a fucking server browser

Looks like the Unreal Alpha.

I guess I'll download it and check it out.

>>388939634
>Am I imagining things or is that kind of slow for a quake game?
It's the same as Q3A
For real Quake is not about moving fast in straight lines

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>>388930430
>I can't aim with a mouse and Destiny 2 comes out in less than a week

Console bab, everyone.

>see some people crying HUD is too crowded
>isn't crowded in the slightest except maybe the weapons bar, nothing unnecessary
are you guys fucking retards or something

Also this game looks fun but not quite sure I'd be willing to spend dosh on it. I'll try it when the f2p version hops around on steam

>>388932436
>you start with one shit hero
That they let you play the game for free with.
How do people get so entitled? They could have just made the game $30 and told poorfags to fuck off

Reminder that the new unreal tournament is a perfect remake of everything anyone liked about the old games and didn't add shit noone asked for like character powers.
And it's also free and fully modable

>>388940060
You forgot to mention that the devs don't care about it and no one plays it.

>>388939987
and they would have got another lawbreakers, so what?

>>388933892
Every weapon (except the tri launcher which is actually shit) has a particular use in a particular situation.
Some weapons are easier to start with, like the rocket launcher, so it seems like the rocket launcher is the only weapon that matters at first.
Once you git gud you'll learn what weapon to switch to for each situation, and you'll even start comboing weapons mid fight.

>>388940060
Too bad no one gives a fuck about UT.

>Saber Interactive
Oh boy, I can't wait for p2w bullshit.

>>388926450
I've been playing since beta started silly willy

>>388933953
Yes with current you get for free
It takes like 30 seconds to get a new champion

>>388940459
>Once you git gud
Too late, already refunded.

>>388926450
because I've played the same thing 20 years ago

>>388941085
At least you were honest with yourself about being a shitter with no desire to even try

>>388926450
because I wouldn't be gud enough

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>>388941356
Whatever you say, anon.

All I know is I'm having a lot more fun playing UT than with QC. I'll probably give QC another go once it goes F2P, but $30 for a lesser experience is a no-go.

>>388931102
I used to play Quake and UT back in 99/2000 and most of the people playing were either shit or mediocre. Every server was the same, you'd get 1 or 2 people dominating and everyone else would get completely shit on. I was never great at them but I enjoyed them because they felt new and exciting at the time.

The amount of people who were awesome were few and far between, it wasn't any different than today's games where most people playing are casuals. The difference is that today people have more variety and can choose to play a game that doesn't require hours of practice just to not suck complete ass.

>>388932990
But lawbreakers was a shit game.

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>>388941584
Sounds good. I'll come join you in UT when it's done

>>388933516
Isn't sacrifice CTF?

>>388942164
IT'S NOT PURE

HOW DARE THEY TRY NEW THINGS

>>388942164
Haven't played in a while, how does it work?
>>388942309
fuck off retard

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This is Nyx

>>388935015
Where the fuck do you live? Takes under a minute for me

>>388942352
>>388942164
Its 1 flag CTF basically

Flag spawns in the middle, you have to take it to your base and hold it and prevent the enemy from taking it from you.and doing the same.

Holding a base fills up a bar slowly, team that fills it first wins

>>388941584
How do you have fun with like 20 players?

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Since they put Doom Guy in, can we get some Rage Girls as well?

>>388941584
If you're still the dude who posted that greentext story of failure, then literally every complaint you had about quake is in UT. So I don't believe you

Mainly because I don't want to pay for it and the Bethesda launcher is garbage. Even if it were free on Steam I don't think I would play it.

Quake is one of my favorite game. I want to believe but I don't think it will cut it. There isn't enough innovation for me to play it.

It feels like they couldn't decide on which game to copy the movements over, so they copied ALL THE GAMES. I would've liked something else than every arena shooter before it. Strafe jumping is fun, but let's face it, it's retarded. Move on. Tribes skiing and jetpack is more elegant. Even god damned shootmania is better than this.

The champion/abilities system is retarded. The core of Quake is everyone spawn with the same health/armor/speed and they fucked that up. They had ONE job.

I'm not against abilities or classes per se, but they barely changes the game. Same thing than the movements. Since they couldn't decide between an arena shooter or a class based shooter they made an half assed system where abilies don't even matter. Couldn't risk bothering the Quake veterans yo.

Game modes are boring. Sacrifice is a fucking mess. The gamemode lack focus, it's hard to understand what the fuck is going on or whether or not your actions had an impact. I would've prefered an attack/defend gamemode, probably with some sort of flag/objective and respawn timers. Even clan arena or TDM is better than this.
The duel ruleset is stupid as well. You get punished big time if you get spawn killed. The fact that the overall health and armor is lowered makes it even worse. This is basically duel with a fraglimit of 3 and everyone has 2/3 the amount of health. Let that sink in.
I agree the previous duel ruleset wasn't great either but at least it wasn't RNG.

I would rather play Dirty Bomb, CS:GO or PUBG, they're way more engaging.

>>388942981
Play a gamemode/map that's designed for 20 players or less? I dunno man, TDM in QC is like 10 people.

>>388943336
>literally every complaint you had about quake is in UT
UT has better, more versatile and fun guns, more movement options as opposed to just spamming jump, and there's a lot less lag/server issues. So no, it doesn't.

What QC does have is neat character designs. UT has some boring ass shit characters.

>>388943614
UT has literally the same weapons except maybe a flak cannon instead of a shotgun. You're full of shit.

>>388942928
Ah, sounds pretty fun.

I do like the classic capture the flag a tad bit more though, mostly because that way you make a team composition similar to football, with defense and offense groups.

>>388944065
uwot

>>388932990
You wish. Don't underestimate the autism and determination of the quakedad. We will fly the quake flag until the day we die

>>388943614
> UT has better, more versatile and fun guns, more movement options as opposed to just spamming jump,

UT has awkward double tapping and wall jumps and slides. That is about it. You press a button and your character does a thing.

Quake movement actually has a sense of momentum that feels more natural, you are not double tapping or pressing commands..

And more options? QC has regular strafe jumping, wall jumping, air control, crouch slidding and even UT's own double tapping.

And as for the weapons, Quake's are simple but pure, while UT's seem gimmicky. The whole shoot the ball rifle thingy, the whole charge up rockets thing they all feel like gimmicks. Sure, they are fun. But I don't feel they add so much.

>>388944236
Sadly sacrifice still kinda sucks. I think sacrifice will eventually be a better mode to spectate (single flag means one place to focus when spectating, two flags makes everything more complicated) but right now its a terrible clusterfuck

>>388943230

Rageguy was confirmed already, also id stated that they will do RAGE2 after D44M

>>388944801
You are kidding right? Source?

>>388940324
what does this mean

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>>388944801

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>>388942657
Imagine how soft her butt is.

I want to sleep on her butt.

>>388944876

the pak files and ofc id who stated that they stopped with RAGE2 dev to focus entirely on D44M but the game itself was in full dev

>>388944340
>an assault rifle
>a rocket launcher
>a rail gun
>link gun/nail gun/plasma gun

same basics. UT just has more gimmicks. Didn't 2k4 have some fucking retarded goo gun? And you get a lightning gun AND a sniper rifle for the variety.
Seriously, Quake weapons each have a specific role and they perform the role well. UT weapons are just cliffy b trying to make a bunch of cool shit that has no real purpose.

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>>388945060

>>388945489
Oh wow now that I'm looking at the new UT they even copied the LG from Quake. Very original.