why is it still better than bioshock?

>>388925805
Because I want to fuck shodan

The evolution of System Shock 2 to Bioshock is streamlining done right imo.

Infinite is garbage though.

>>388925805
Everything in Bioshock is poorly implemented.

>>388927418
>tfw liked SS2 and BS1
>didn't like BS2
Haven't played the others, but it was pretty fun.
Shame Bioshock isn't fun to replay but SS2 is.

>>388925805
it's not, it's a bloated mess
SS1 > Bio1 > SS2 > Bio2 > Bio:I

>>388928248
>Bloated mess

SS1 is a far more bloated mess come on.

>>388927418
that table comparing different games is bullshit, for example the presence passive abilities shouldn't be considered a good thing, since they barely have any gameplay value whatsoever, hells more of the quality criteria in it is nonessential.

>>388928436
Some mods fix that.

Though, I still like SysShock 2 more.

>>388925805
bioshock is a really boring game I don't know why people like it. The movement is bad and the weapons aren't interesting enough to carry it. None of the enemies are that interesting except big daddies. Every good idea it has is implemented completely wrong.

Prey is better anyway

>>388928436
no it's not, SS1 was a smooth immersive experience compared to SS2 which was bloated with all these pointless rpg mechanics that only distracted from the core experience.

>>388928684
>Stop distracting me from plot with all this gameplay, asshole!

>>388928628
Prey is actually kinda nice for a System shock fan. I think it's better than bioshocks gameplay-wise. It's hard to say, if it's better than System Shocks though. They are equal on my list.

>>388928859
Yeah. There are couple points on Prey that dropped it from being better than SS games but I'm glad that we got a game with the same quality of SS2 in this age

>>388927418
Why "GOOD GUY WAS THE BAD GUY ALL TIME" plot twist markered green in the table? I generally agree with this table, but this particular point makes no sense at all.

>>388928780
>be in a hostile spaceship filled deadly cyborgs and zombies
>must survive and find a way out of this shit
>Ooooh cyber modules imma stop what i'm doing and backtrack to an upgrade station and spent 10 minutes wondering what artificial skill to put my magical points into

mixing rpg and survival horror was the dumbest shit i've ever seen, it's the opposite of immersive.

>>388927563
The first one was alright, I never really played the second. I feel like the new PREY is very like System Shock, I really enjoyed it.

Does you people on /v/ still regards BS2 as the best Bioshock?

>>388928859
This, I really enjoyed Prey. Beats the first Bioshock in my book.

>>388929195
Not sure, I only played the first one and Infinite.

>>388929298
If you like the first, you should play it

The plot is basically rethreading the first almost beat by beat but the gameplay improvements makes up for it

>>388927418
I don't really feel like having iron sights is always a bad thing. Titanfall 2 for example, literally never use them in multiplayer because I'm always running and gunning, not aiming doesn't effect the accuracy. In the single player sometimes I slow down and ensure I'mma hit that head shot.

>>388925805
Because something something consoles.

>>388929404
Is that remaster any good? I've heard it's got issues on PC. Trying to figure out if it's worth playing the original on PC or getting the remaster for PS4.

>>388929681
Nope. They're bloated, worse in performance, and looks the same if not worse than originals. The originals PC port already runs and looks good so it make the remasters unnecessary. There is one thing that it managed to fix I think: the remaster of BS2 fixed the vendors jingle bug.

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Should I just watch a lets play of SS1 and/or 2? I tried playing 1 recently but its aged like warm milk

>>388930242
I never played the first one, start with the second imo.

>>388930242
Play the enhanced edition. It's just not possible for me to go back to not having mouselook.

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Why is there so little porn of shodan?

>>388930347
But then I'll miss out on the first half of the story! Although from what I saw SS1 doesn't have much of a story

>>388930475
SS2 is mostly unrelated to 1 anyway

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>>388930465
I was playing the enhanced edition. Its got some interesting ideas but the game is so damn clunky I spend more time trying to get through the UI than playing the game

>>388930543
Aren't they both about stopping Shodan?

>>388927418
Those tables are cherry picked nonsense and make no sense.

>>388930242
>>388930347
>>388930475
System Shock's story is much better than 2's.

>>388930948
Pro-tip, the game hasn't aged poorly, you're just a retard.

>>388930948
Shodan is the only thing that directly connected both but they're their own standalone story

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The Polito form is dead, insect.

PREY GOTY

>>388931217
That scene was retarded.

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>>388931096
>no mouselook by default
>hasn't aged poorly
pick 1

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>>388931254
I've been meaning to go back to it, I honestly loved it while I was playing. It's one of those games which requires my full attention to play though, not something I want to touch while I'm rocking a youtube video or chatting in discord with friends.

>>388931217
bioshock did it already fucking RIPOFF

>>388931565
it worked for bioshock

>>388931664
Even without mouselook it's better than pretty much everything coming out today. The game is slow paced enough to not need it.

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>>388931254
Why is Alex such a good brother?

>>388931945
Unironically, BioShock's reveal scene was better.

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>>388931254
I love the game so much, that I want to do mating press on it and take a responsibility