What's the /v/erdict

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>>388918483
I AM THESE SCARS

>>388918483
It brought back life to the MMORPG genre. Fantastic patch. I pity the bitter nostalgiafags who are too stuck up to even try it

FOR THE HORDE!!!!

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>>388918541
The 2 heroes I play (Arms, MM) are unplayable without a specific """legendary""". Can I target these now? CBA to grind casino for months just to have my spec playable

>>388918541
>+20 cents

Is it worth it to resub? Stopped before EN dropped with 850ilvl. Played Priest and DK, did they bring back the passive 20% speed for DKs?

>>388919057
No DK are still pretty immobile but they are top tier tanks and both DPS specs aren't bad since Frost just got buffed a bit.
>>388918792
There is a Vendor introduced with 7.2 that sells epic quality tokens for specific slots that allow you to "target" a legendary (just got brewmaster bracers from the new one on Argus) it costs farm-able resources from Argus zones.

>>388918483
I play on Ascension.

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>>388919636
So it's basically the Diablo 2 gambler NPC? That's not good enough

>>388919693
Legendary RNG is the worst part of Legion and it's also something Blizzard has refused to budge on for this expansion. Judging from the outcry though I doubt we will get this system ever again.

>>388918792
>heroes
This is what WoW has come to.

Come on, is this patch any good? Is Argus good at all or is it another Broken Shore fiasco?

>>388918483
It's okay. I'll reserve judgement for the raid and the 3rd zone, since the first two fell very, very samey.
The gear and catch-up mechanics are convenient, even moreso than the previous ones.

>>388919057
They don't need the 20% speed, melee basically don't do mechanics these days. Mobility is a cancer that prevents people from understanding and solving problems in a raid strategy.

>>388918483

Illidan did nothing wrong.

>>388919778
It's better than Broken Shore but timegating is still unwelcome. Feels a bit more like Timeless Isle where randomly wandering around is rewarding vs Broken Shore feeling so static and small.

the verdict is some people are going to enjoy it, a bunch of people are going to shit on it without playing it, a lot of people will shitpost about it from both sides, and every other post will be someone calling someone else a shill
welcome to WoW threads on /v/

>>388919910
>tfw no /v/ group to run Mythic+ with

>>388919778
It's demon themed timeless. bits of exploration rewarding you and rares, but also with world quests instead of just only rares and exploration. If you didn't like timeless isle you're not gonna like this.

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It's Shit.

>story quests to unlock world quests
>world quests are kill X rare spawn mob
>nothing else to do except fight other people for chests

great content ;)

>>388919991
Too bad people would cry huge tears if they brought back the Censer or something like the Cloak only rare boss although I have a teleporter to a unique rare mob that I got from farming those demon eyes

>>388919931
Most of /v/ that plays never raids or does any content of the like, you want to do m+ with these mongoloids?

>>388920075
God forbid Blizzard do something that would hurt the feelings of their average casualismus maximus autists. I hate the fact that Blizzard only ever listens to these scumbags that treat the game like a singleplayer experience.

>>388920161
Nothing wrong me

>>388918541
How do you manage to sound exactly like blizzard? Is it that cringy for the horde ot the absence of points why I should buy this game?

>>388920176
I think they have done a decent job of corraling the retards to their own activities while still providing enjoyable activities for people who want a challenge. I'm not a mythic raider just because haven't hunted for a guild for it but I love Mythic+ on the higher keystones.

The amount of crying about Argus is huge though, people already damning blizzard for not allowing flying on Argus and having a zone that isn't just a wide open field with no mobs that could inconvenience them and lootboxes everywhere.

>>388920253
Did you know that they even complained about professions requiring dungeon/raid content to reach their maximum potential?

>>388920309
I'm sad their complaining about LFR not dropping tier in WoD convinced them to add LFR Tier in Legion.
I could almost just say "fuck it" and never do LFR but the chance for trinkets/tier/legendaries means gouging my eyes on LFR KJ is worth the investment.

>>388920309
Of course they did. It's why a lot of the bitching about pandering to casuals isn't particularly well founded any more. A lot of the content is there to give you a taste, in an attempt to make you want more.

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>>388920364
>guild members gets a 945 TF tier helm from LFR
>realize I have to start doing LFR too now for that one in a million chance at a good TF

My main man Towelliee says it's the best expansion so I'm gonna go with that.

When are they going to add the skulls to the map for Argus rares?

>>388920176
They've started to do little things here and there to add challenges for people that aren't complete retards. For example they added the mage tower class challenge for everyone which can be done at like 880 ilvl for most classes assuming you can play your class even somewhat proficiently, and every casual under the sun has been losing their minds since the birth of broken shore about how it's unfair and not beatable unless you have a specific ilvl and surprisingly blizzard hasn't changed or nerfed it. This new dev team has made a lot of mistakes, but they're trying.

>>388920867
There is PLENTY of bullshit about the challenges that has nothing to do with personal skill.

The Ret Paladin one, for example, depends ENTIRELY on RNG to determine whether you win or lose. If the boss decides not to use her abilities in exactly the right order, you lose, period, end of story. Nothing you can do about it.

>>388919910

>some people are going to enjoy it, a bunch of people are going to shit on it without playing it, a lot of people will shitpost about it from both sides, and every other post will be someone calling someone else a shill


Isn't that every thread on /v/ though?

>Just got Sightless Eye toy
>Nothing aggros ever now
damn this was worth the farm.

>>388921463
where do you get that?

>>388920983
I haven't done the pally one. Which one is it? I've done all of the melee dps ones at 880 cept for ret and feral and I didn't have any issue with them once you know the fights.

>>388921719
>Find a shrine of the all-seer (I found one in spirit crucible in antorus wastes)
>Deals 90% of your health in damage so make sure you are topped off
>60m buff where you take 100% bonus damage and you take on an eredar appearance but get a chance at intact demon eyes as a drop
>farm 500 eyes
>go to a cave in the fel pools to find the All-Seer turn in (he has like 6 turn in quests)
>25 turn in gives you flasks to give you the buff in case you need to take a break/can't find another shrine
>500 *non-daily* one gave me a teleporter
>use teleporter in the wastes
>takes you to a rare spawn
>has a chance to drop sightless eye toy
Toy itself is a 10m duration 5m cooldown that lowers your aggro radius to practically nothing while in Argus.

>>388921876
oh so that's what that dude is for, I only had about 10 eyes so I couldn't turn in any and see what he gave. thank you

>>388919743
The dumber and sadder fact was every single fucking person who played and tested it said it was a fucking stupid idea. There was not a single soul alive who legitimately thought random legendaries were going to be a good idea.

>>388922064
Legion is the springboard for just World of Diablo as the next MMO.

>>388921748
It's the Halls of Valor one.

>>388922064
Legiondaries stink of some corporate Suit saying "Yes these gambling boxes in this other game work well. Do that".

>>388922132
That one is easy as fuck. You can Repentance Sigryn permanently. It's literally the easiest one.

>>388918792

What MM leggo is so necessary that it makes the spec "unplayable"?

So, are you ready for the clusterfuck that the Netherlight Crucible is going to be?

So now not only must your relics have a good WF/TF and good first trait, but now they must also have a good secondary trait and good randomly picked talents. Oh, and to check your second trait you have to put the relic in the crucible, thus making it soulbound. That's right, no more trading relics. I know it's not available yet, but Blizzard have done nothing in regards to changing it at all, even though EVERYBODY on the forums said it was a terrible idea and simply added more unnecessary RNG to an already RNG heavy expansion.

>>388922148
You should know by now that they have a few axioms they design expansions around and that they absolutely can't budge on, if only because so much work has been invested already.

MMOs change course very slowly and have production pipelines stretching years. It's why garrisons were panned in WoD but the garrison/follower 'tech' still shows up in Legion. Given how entrenched systems like legendaries/titanforging are into the game, they're not going to be just changed or turned off - they'll just play it off and stall until the next expansion distracts people with the new shiny thing.

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>>388918483
Haven't play wow since wrath, is it worth it buying all space, level up and quit when I get to raiding (not doing that shit again) or the game still boring as fuck (haven't made any changed to basic gameplay)?

>>388922504
>no more trading relics
I mean 99% of the time the relics are BoP anyway

The only change this will bring is that people will be less willing to trade relics if they're at the same ilvl as theirs, rather than just higher ilvls.

I fucking hate how warforged/titanforged items are handled in Legion. Why not just keep it as it was during the end of MoP and throughout WoD? Just have only warforged and make it give 6 or 8 extra ilevels and that's it. Enough with these insane ilevel upgrades.

>>388922641
Legion has some of the best 5-man content since Cataclysm in the form of mythic + dungeons.
In terms of questing it's just below Warlords of Draenor, if you can forgive the retarded plot

its not worth playing without friends

>>388922662
because casuals like doing a heroic/lfr/WQ and getting a 940 item and pretending they are on-par with Mythic raiders.
>>388922641
I would argue that classes have defined niches now for better or worse and are generally pretty simple/easy to get into but the meat of the game is now in encounter design as far as mechanics go. I agree with this poster >>388922754
Bring friends or find friends quickly.

I logged in for the first time in months, realised I never got any good legendary gear on my mage, did the time gated story shit and uninstalled.
Same old shit.

i will resub once they announce the nzoth expansion

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>do everything in 7.3 PTR
>live patch comes out
>lol timegating

>>388922848
They all quit wow, meh not worth if all I was planning to quest through the rest of the xpacs if the only way to have fun with it is through friends.

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>>388922994
anon..

>>388923135
Well if you want to just quest then who cares.

>>388918483
its good but its timegated so classic blizzard

>>388923224
i meant to say when its actually playable/prepatch, is that leak legit tho ?

>>388923428
It's as legit as it's possible to be this early and we already know Magni is an old gods bitch from the il'gynoth boss fight.

>>388923224
>wow model viewer of magni holding a goofy hammer

Looks fake as fug m9.

>>388919693
>>388919743

If you have issues with leggos by now you are literally not playing the game.

>>388923521
or I'm a returning player who quit around 7.1 and it's not like they have a legendary catch-up system. I got my first two but both are kinda trash. Guess I'm just out of luck.

WoW has been dead since patch 4.1/10

>>388923521
I'm not playing the game because I have legendary issues

dude
timegates
lmao

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ONE

DUNGEON


WHY DID I FUCKING RESUB.
WHY AM I SO FUCKING DUMB.

>>388923593
Then you're utter trash.

>>388923567
The "legendary catch up system" is to do ANY CONTENT AT ALL

Mythic 0 spam was a prime way of getting legendaries before, still is. Lower M+ keys are fine too. If you actually spent any time at all playing the game, you'll get a legendary.

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>>388918541
holyshit you're a fucking real deal shill. The game is completely broken. Cancel your subs that ll make them at least think about bringing out legacy servers until then this world of warcraft is a dead end for broken humans trundling alone in their own virtual hamster wheels KEEP SPINNING ITLL GET BACK TO THE GLORY IF WE JUST KEEP SPINNING.

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>>388923247
Not sure of the content is worth buying all those xpacs if it is more of the same old shit.

>>388918792
>heroes
Back to your shitty moba, faggot.

>>388923654
and what I'm saying is if you have bad rng then what? I'd rather farm content that gives me actual gear upgrades like higher m+ keys/raiding than keep doing trivial content for the sake of building bad luck protection/fishing for a legendary.

How is it a good system to do something that offers zero upgrades except for the small chance of a legendary/titanforged drop?

>>388923709
>make them at least think about bringing out legacy servers

Yes, I'm sure they'll make legacy servers so those whopping 3000 people interested in them can finally see how shit old WoW truly was.

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>>388923224
>>388923428
>>388923503
>>388923513
leak wasn't blurry enough, i fixed it

>>388923797
wwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee you pleb. Bet you didnt even play cata.

>>388923709
>>>/gummy/

>>388923845
There we go, now it's legit.

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>>388923796
"bad RNG" only goes so far before it becomes an excuse. I quit the game after EN, switched mains, don't have a guild, and only touched HC.

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>>388923880
you're objectively wrong, do you have any real friends outside of your guild? Huge numbers of people would instantaneously sub if they had legacy servers. It's a fact, the private servers wouldn't get the attention and continuous remakes that they do if people didn't want to play the old versions, of course for free helps.

But seriously thinking that legacy servers wouldn't get a minimum a million subscriptions within the first month of release is just further proof that you're not in it for a good game, you're just addicted. Admit it, I did and I stop wasting hours on this expanded cata trash.

>>388923880
legit or not im 99% sure the next expac is nzoth

>>388924017
/played on that toon, my good man?

I really like Argus so far. Much better than broken shore/timeless isle/tenan jungle

>>388924195
Yeah, this time the tileset is worse.

>>388923224

>"HE WUZ CORRUPTED BY THE OLD GODZ!"

STOP IT

FUCKING STOP

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>>388924168
Time /played is irrelevant. I could sit in dala 12 hours a day for months and never get a legendary.

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>>388924028
>Vanilla was good meme

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All around me are familiar faces, worn out places, worn out faces

>>388924248
The new deal is redemption arcs/balance between light and void so corruption is old and busted news.

>>388918483
boring
only interesting thing left in this game is the story if you're really that desperate

>>388924224
I really like the skybox, the music, the legion architecture in the second zone and the "light" stuff.

>>388924028
1. I'm not subbed to wew.
2. I would be slightly interested in official vanilla servers.
3. I don't care if people play on private servers either.

But you nostfags or whatever digital gypsey group you're now a part of are annoying as shit. Do you even recognize the irony in saying others are just grinding on a hamster wheel when you're asking to play old fucking content?

There's a reason why your generals end up looking like AOL chatrooms. Disgusting creatures.

>>388924060
No doubt of course, but I think that's also driving people to make more fake leaks. They're not as far fetched as what people thought Legion would actually be. But the quality is just as low.

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>>388924256
>legion is good meme

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>>388924252
>612 hours played
>why u not have legendaries? so easy lol

>>388922132
I'm not sure how or what pally's do to manage, but I know that's one of the easier ones for every class that has to do it.

>>388924330
I also like the "stay a while and listen" conversations on the ship

>>388924028
Sorry pal, you'd be hard pressed to find more than 10k people blinded enough by nostalgia that they'd subscribe to a legacy server.

Fun fact: Vanilla WoW was unbalanced, broken dogshit. That handful of people only want to experience it again because it left a mark on their youth, and would quit instantly once the realization sets in.
>"Wow... this is actually pretty bad, how did I enjoy this?"

It's like people crying for arena FPS to come back. They keep crying and crying, but when an arena FPS comes out they don't play it, so it dies instantly. Rinse and repeat.

>>388918483
>World of Warcraft 3.2 and post 3.2
TSIH

>>388924407
Same amount of time I have on my resto shaman, all I do is mythic raid two times a week though and some worldquests here and there.

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>tfw no beta orbiter

>thought they might have put a bit more effort into Argus because it's the only content we'll have for the next ~9 months
>It's Broken Shore, but worse

How do they do it?

>>388924407
Like I said, time played is irrelevant. I'm casual as fuck and do mog runs

Is it too late to get into WoW?

>>388924520
>mog runs
>casual
umm, no sweetie, the average joe doesn't run old content over and over to unlock armor appearances :(

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>>388923104
Orcs and trolls are so fucking underrated. There's more to Horde bitches than just fucking elves all the time.

>>388924587
How new are you exactly? Thats exactly what the average casual does.

>>388918483
Is there anything important/ worthwhile to do in the new area before the new raid opens up? I could need some catch-up gear for my alt. I usually just log in for the weekly ToS h clear these days.

>>388924574
It's easier than ever to start.

>>388924490
Spires was such a cool zone, Draenor could have been such a cool world but they made it feel dead as fuck with the shitty instancing and zero content

>>388924632
Getting missions for your followers, doing the series for the netherlight crucible. World quests if your ilevel is that low.

>>388924616
The average casual levels up, does world quests, and then does their weekly raid finder/weekend event.
They aren't going to run through Dragon Soul ten times to get a staff appearance sweetie, they can't even finish Spine on their own :(

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I've been ignoring my minions as I didn't find the waiting mini game relevant and now I get this.
What is the fastest way to get my minions from 760 to 900?

>>388924720
imagine being THIS disconnected from the real world

>>388924632
910+ gear from a vendor
880+ BoA gear
910 / 930+ gear from invasions

>>388924737
There's an item you can buy somewhere that takes them to 860 or something, I don't remember.

>>388924737
Buy item from Broken Shore for 400 Nethershards to get them up to 880. Do a couple of missions for the remaining tokens.

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>90% of the quests are just meme references you faceroll
>no more world design
>no more character building
>repetitive as fuck end game
>entirely skippable rest of game
>anything that isn't raiding or arenas is just a series of cosmetic minigames.
>everyone now praises mythic+, the most repetitive boring clusterfuck of a design for making dungeons 'good' when the dungeons are still linear, boring shit.

>>388924720
Yeah, thats not even close to true. Even high-end mythic raiders who stream do lots of mog runs.

>>388924737
The new missions using the Korkuun followers give good items/900 ilvl boosters. Rares/Chests can also drop them.
Dauntless vendor in broken isles gives 880 ilvl boosters for like 400 nethershards.

>>388924803
>high-end mythic raiders who stream do lots of mog runs.
Yes, but not the casual players who don't even know where these portals are :(
I see plenty of players in queue content that don't even have transmogs.

>>388924798
Everything you listed could be applied to every vertical progression MMO ever made.

>>388924869
No shit you do, why would you transmog gear you're going to replace in an hours time you fucking dummy

>>388924587
>doing easy singleplayer-content instead of raiding or pvp minigames
That's exactly that casuals do

>>388924748
>930+ from invasions
That's fucking nice, my main is 930ilvl, my alt is at 875 or something

>>388924909
Ohh, so the casual isn't going to transmog gear :L

>>388924931
They aren't going to do easy singleplayer content when it isn't easy to find and get to it. That's why world quests and queues exist :)

>>388918812
>>388920238
>>388923709
I'm not a paid shill. I am deliberately and volunteerly propagating the current state of the game. Blizzard holds great value in customer feedback and reacts accordingly when updating the product. This is made very clear in the recent patches and updates. The class mounts are an example of a feature that the community had been asking for, and they were introduced recently. Blizzard gave you a free seven day trial and you should make use of that to find out how the company has added an enhancing layer over the game the last few months

>>388924976
>Ohh, so the casual isn't going to transmog gear :L

>being illiterate

legion is trash

>>388925043
you are trash

>>388924976
You aren't the sharpest tool in the shed, are ya?

>>388924976
>>388925072
I know I disassembled your points to dust sweeties, but you don't have to resort to mean old ad hominems because you don't have an argument :(

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>>388925139

>>388925139
oh honey, you're so dumb.

>>388925042
this >>388925139 one is for you in case you get lost, my bad :P

>>388925139
Learn to read, and stop writing like a faggot. It will greatly improve your life.

>>388925176
>>388925178
>>388925218
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZBntZ4-JV8

Here's a video to start you little sweeties off :), come back when you have an actual point to make that disproves me

>>388925283
god i hate nu/v/

>>388925413
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nq8-w2BAJkU

Two year old buzzwords do not an argument make, sweetieboy :S

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Just give us World of Starcraft already.
I don't care even if they hamfist the lore of the two franchises together.

>>388924976
>old raids
>hard to enter
Are we talking about casuals or illiterates? You can find them over the adventurer guide or what it's called with a description and everything. It's not like you need to grind old factions rep anymore like in tbc.

>>388925665
With the RNG systems featured in Legion it's going to be World of Diablo before World of Starcraft.

>>388918541
>140 million Artifact Power has been deposited to your main character

>>388925824
Why spend 30 minutes going to and through Black Temple when you can queue up for a raid and do world quests in five?
It's simply easier for most players, hence why they barely transmog, my sweet child :D

>>388925824
You are trying to talk with someone ironically using smiley faces and "sweetie" on a tibetan basket weaving forum. Stop giving it attention.

>>388925912
It's already World of Diablo at the expansion's launch.

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>>388926014
>it
I am MALE!
If you misgender me again sweetie, there will be SWIFT RETRIBUTION!!!!!

>>388926403
and there it is folks.

>>388923224
this was confirmed to be real by a reddit user who has unceremoniously leaked patch dates and legion in the past, so whatever the expansion is at least this is part of it

>>388926403
Autism.

>>388926607
Is it still up? Or did their nazi mods delete it.

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>>388926453
>>388926662
Thank you for understanding, you saccharine posters you!

>>388926745
https://www.reddit.com/user/WoWLeakz/

>>388918483
Its literally nothing: the zone. AGAIN
there is fuck all to do and they even have a ship that one shots everyone in the zone that isn't at a light hub so slow down people doing zero content

SAD!

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What's Naxx doing on the Broken Shore?

>>388926927
it's Acherus you nincompoop

>>388926927
>mfw i don't even play death knight but instantly put two and two together

Why would you think it's Naxx? How would that make any sense?

>>388918792
>The 2 heroes I play
>heros
This is kinda depressing.

>>388927035
and if you fly into it as a non-DK, a DK will chain you up and fly you back to Dalaran

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I just want to play vanilla again.

>>388927625
You think you do.

>>388919753
>>388927518
that's what they were called in WC3

>>388927769
that's also what they were called in Warcraft II: Beyond the Dark Portal

patch isnt out yet
its timegated you can only visit the zone right now
it comes out in 2-3months

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>>388918541
>FOR THE HORDE!!!!

>>388927967
>Horde
Only Blood Elves are relevant in 7.3

>>388927920
The patch is fully out in 2 weeks m8, but the raid is coming with 7.3.5.

>>388927967
>haha CRINGE REDDIT haha
You have to go back.

>>388927625
Blizzard is just a small company anon they can't afford one of them fancy private servers and such.

>>388927769
Yeah, but there'ws a small detail you forgot: in WC3 you don't play as a cocksucker chosen one, you play as a lore character.

>>388928070
if the raid isnt out the patch isnt complete

>>388924168
>toon

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At first I was pissy because they decided to cover all of Argus in just one zone but now that I'm actually there its pretty cool, with Azeroth being that close and shit.

>>388928192
The player character IS a lore character.

>>388928259
Therefore you can't compare WC3 hero with WoW """"hero"""".

The game is just all about numbers now. Numbers, numbers, numbers. You have to get the right numbers.

It used to be an experience. Now it's just a "game". And a dull one at that.

>>388928385
What?
Fucking retard.

Why did Blizzard stop putting GOOD rewards behind quests and only trap them in raids? It's not fun getting a flat gold reward and whatever meme points they are handing out that expac.

Playing Nost got me thinking, there were some really decent items you could get from long quest chains or obscure quests, and that was neat

>>388928481
You sound like a reverse marketer with the amount of empty words you spout.

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Haven't play wow in 8 years, going to try it out to for maybe 3 months. At least for 30 bucks it should be worth time.

>>388928481
>now

?

>>388928552
What? That's exactly what it is though? Itemization almost doesn't matter you just want what has the biggest numbers, in fact the only thing that matters is what gives you the best stat for the four stats you have.

It's incredibly simplified. And the system doesn't even work unless you are in a private guild. Pubbies will only take highest item level players despite them wearing useless stat gear and why shouldn't they? The system works against someone properly itemizing and wearing lower ilvl gear (even though they absolutely do more dps)

Item level permanently damaged the game for life. Because people want those big numbers bro. Legion only recently started making dungeon gear interesting by putting effects on gear so they weren't just dull as fuck retarded stat sticks
>inb4 heh just join a guild bro
Yeah it's easy to do and for the most part lets you avoid the problem, but don't even remotely try to defend this gigantic crippling flaw in a game.

>>388928990
Yeah you already shat the bed with the first point.
If you only go for your primary stat while ignoring your secondaries then you will be bottom tier trash DPS.

Fucking shitter. You are literally clueless about how the game works.
Also
>not being in a guild
Double shitter.

>>388923104
How do people play such an ugly bullshit ?

>>388928990
>Item level permanently damaged the game for life
member gearscore from wotlk?
blizzard just implemented that addon in the game natively
if it hasn't been that than everyone would be still using gearscore

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>>388918536
What a garbage writing as usual. But you have to give it to Illidan. He actually acted like a true hero and refused the gift because there is "we" and not "I" while the yellow faggot wanted to punish him for it. Illidan did nothing wrong.