Regretful purchases

Its more like a bullshit game that takes the first game's flaws and then designs every map around them.

>>388899196
the increased map sizes, namely in the military sections, and the limit to the vision create artificial difficulty. the first game is hard mostly for the right reasons, this one is hard mostly for the wrong reasons. ive beat both

It's not really so challenging. The only really difficult level was the one in the boat with Pardo.

>>388899196

I just hated 2 things from this game:

Plot is a huge fucking convoluted mess full of unnecesary parts

and removing masks and hard coding characters into playstyles was stupid.

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What's great is that after beating this one, if you go back and play the first you basically have to try NOT to get A+ ranks

>>388899196
The soundtrack was at least better on 2. Not that the original was bad or anything.

Once you realize that you can move the cam a bit it becomes way easier, try it out guys.

>>388901828
>The soundtrack was at least better on 2.
Not really it was just overbloated. Songs just feel samey after awhile with only like 5 unique ones. Every song from the first was great. Only songs from 2 I can remember are Sexualizer and Roller Mobster. They really fucked up the artstyle as well.

is there anything worse in this game than getting unexpectedly shot through a window?

>>388900724
brainlet

>>388901991
>Only songs from 2 I can remember are Sexualizer and Roller Mobster.
jesus this shit taste
Roller mobster is unironically one of the worst songs in the game. It's ear splitting.

>>388901991
How is songs in 2 samey when 1 is way more monotonous?

>>388901991
what a terrible and incorrect opinion. HM2 never reused music and had a unique song for each level whereas HM1 reused the same five tracks throughout the game.

>>388901991
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rNWWJKiyOF8
Nigga please.

>>388902932
my nigga

>>388902904
maybe that's why he can't remember any of them

>>388903221
ADHD is one hell of a drug.

>>388899196

It's overall better than the original, although the original was definitely tighter. Honestly the only improvement the game needs is better visibility in some levels, I'm curious if a scroll wheel on the camera distance would have been effective.

>>388900910
it only occurred to me right at this moment that the pig mask has some symbolism with killing mass amount of russian mafia men.

>>388900724
This but also glass.

>>388900724

You're wrong on both counts. I always play HM1 with the cock mask anyway, I'd rather maps be balanced around a tight power-up selection.

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>>388899196
>DUDE WINDOWS LMAO

>>388902904
99% correct. Into The Pit had the section at the beginning that used the track from the first mission.

>>388903742
Same here, although I usually use Zack when it comes to high scores. though many of my best scores are still Richard anyways
Having proper unique playstyles does a better job at mixing up the gameplay and increasing replayability.

>All this mystery to why jacket allowed himself to get caught up in this shit and just so happens to be really REALLY good at killing
>It turns out he was just a depressed vet

k

I was really fucking good at the first game and Hotline Miami 2 is outright shit. They took everything that made the first one appealing and fun to play and threw it out the window.

>>388902512
One of the few vidya things that gets an exclamation outta me desu

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>>388902932
Fucking patrician.

>>388901869
Having to push a manual zoom out button for the entire playtime is simply not fucking acceptable. And enemies shooting from offscreen isn't even the game's only problem.

The split second delay before an enemy notices you from the first game got removed meaning you can't ambush a room anymore. Combos are basically impossible due to the design of the enemies and levels. Melee has basically been removed from the game entirely aside from a few stages. Windows fucking everywhere like every level is a glass house.

And the entire game has been reduced to aggroing enemies and waiting for them to come to you. It is the -absolute antithesis- of the first game, which rewarded you for playing like a complete fucking maniac.

>>388899196
Thanks for flattering me, but I think you had to get pretty good at the first game to even finish it in the first place.

>>388899454
>>388900319
>>388905442
jesus christ I thought I was having a fucking stroke while playing 2, I couldn't tell why I was enjoying it magnitudes less than the first.
can we all agree that the hawaii scenes were the fucking worst?

>>388905854
No, because the music in those levels is some of the best in video games.

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>>388905704
Odd, it was the othe way around for me, being forced to implement guns to the gameplay made it more fun for me than just running around like Bam Bam from the flinstones.

Not to mention that now you can survive being shot with smaller guns, windows leave you more expose to them but they also can no longer hide from you.Personally i felt more freedom of being an absolute madman on 2.

>>388905854
Yeah by far. Why can you not pick up the enemy's guns? Why do you only get 1-5th of your ammo capacity from the ammo crates? Why can you only pick up an ammo crate when you're completely empty?

Those levels are a fucking disaster. The writer has the best levels by virtue of them feeling the most like the first game, as in you can actually melee your way through them and the levels are actually rather fair and playable. Also Run is the best song in the game and plays for his level so just another bonus.

2 has its moments, but probably one of the most difficult games I've ever beaten

>>388905912
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfCO4c23dXI

True

>>388905912
sure, but the levels themselves were awful
>huge open spaces
>windows windows windows
>CAN'T PICK UP WEAPONS
>CAN'T PICK UP AMMO
I just don't fucking get it, mang

dead ahead is the worst lvl because of hardmode
that was just a rude level

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>>388905854
Personaly for me those were the most fun ones just second to "The Son". Also like others have mentioned here that music was majestic.

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>>388899196

>what is the button to look farther

There you go, anon

Even hard mode is a breeze except for a few stages once you get the hang of actually checking forward for shit and luring people to kill them

>>388906137

You just have to pick the right side or else you'll get fucked up by gigga niggas anon

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>Mfw the story on both games finaly made sense.
!

>>388905972
This. People talk shit on HM2 just because you can't W+M1 with a knife through every level.

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>>388905854

>hawaii scenes

Nah,playing as Beard was pretty fun

also, who the fuck wouldn't feel good while listening to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DsT_fcjDT48

>>388906180
The very fact that you have to spend the whole game holding down an extra button to look further is shit design. If the whole game is designed in such a manner they should zoom the camera out.

let alone how not fun luring people out is compared to the first game where you bust into a room and ruthlessly murder everyone in it before they get a chance to react. Hotline Miami is supposed to be about being fucking crazy, not camping like a faggot.

>>388899196
it's not worth playing anyway

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>>388906510

>If the whole game is designed in such a manner they should zoom the camera out.

Are you seriously retarded? Do you seriously need your hand hold to play a game? Maybe you should stick to casual games if you want to whine like a bitch

>>388906510
This. Fucking windows and guns made it impossible to dive right in.

>>388906335
Man I've been saying for ages that Hotline Miami has a great story. Just because you don't have all the pieces to a puzzle doesn't mean it isn't worth trying to solve.

>>388906771

>not luring the enemy to their sweet death

>>388906891
I hated the fact that I had to do that most of the time. In the first game, I played in a variety of styles, but with the shitty level design here, it's almost impossible in certain maps.

>>388906891
Sitting down and waiting several seconds is not fun. It's boring and shitty.

Busting into a room, cutting the throat of the first guy you see, tossing the knife into the heart of another, taking the first guy's gun, and going apeshit and murdering anything else left alive, all within a span of 4 seconds, is.

HM1>HM2, period

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>>388906856
Not gonna lie at first i was mad when they said they would never do 3 but now i actually feel both games complement each other perfectly .They can always make a spin-off or something but the main story itself has no holes to fill. I'm a believer desu.

50 blessings

>>388906706
I shouldn't have to fucking tape down a button or key because the camera is shit.

Or maybe they could design the game better so it isn't just windows with eagle-eyed snipers who can one-shot you and spot you from offscreen. You know, like the first game.

HM2 is more fun when you git gud and HM1 becomes a cakewalk

I also prefer the simplified scoring system in 2.

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>>388907213
www.fanfic.net

i love 1 but you are making it sound really shitty here pal.

the fucking shitty hospital level from the first game is better than most of the second game. That's sad.

>>388907381
>people had a hard time with the hospital

After people complaining about this, HM2 and the stories in both games, I'm convinced nearly everyone who plays these games are fucking retarded.
How is the hospital hard for you people?

>>388907597
It's not about it being hard, it's about it being fucking awful to play and feeling like a waste of time.

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Who /Evan Wright/ here? Wish he had more levels.

At least he was the only one with a bonus one.

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Post yfw getting shot from three rooms over due to windows

>>388907713
Best character in the game, followed by Pardo
>tfw nobody knows how to make good evan levels

>>388907713
What was the deal with all the hobos in the 50 Blessings HQ? They mentioned being allowed to stay there during the night, was that supposed to imply that the organization was still using the building?

>>388907713
>levels are designed to be played through with melee
>don't have windows everywhere
>you can also play through them with a gun though you have to earn it
>has the level with fucking Run

Unquestionably the best part of HM2.

>>388907713
I didn't find out about his hulk mode until the bonus stage

>>388899196
Do you mean, in order to have a good score or to play on hard?
Because I finished it and I'm terrible at the first game.

>>388907980
The way i see it after the snake mask guy found them out they bailed the instalations because he could have told someone about it on his way to the mission, also the colonel was about to make his big move anyway so no point in staying there

Maybe the cartaker let them be there at night since there's no need to keep appearances like in the daytime.

>>388907812
>need to shift-zoom ahead so far you can't even see yourself because enemy AI can shoot at you from that far
>get flanked and killed by a guy offscreen in another direction
At least we'll get Midnight Animal in 10 years

>tfw i can't get OBS to work with HM2 to post gameplay
>>388909014
it got canned and is restricted to Spencer's "closest friends"

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>>388909096
Wait what
Why

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>we will never get a canon explanation for this

>>388905271
The vet thing was something we theirized about during HM1 too since the war was teased even in that.

>>388909224
They were LOST™

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>>388909217
tl;dr He's a crybaby so he's only giving it to his friends.

>>388899196
it reminds me of the old DOS and windows game dreamweb

damn that game needs a remake

>>388909543
>a glorified ROM hack is an exegesis of the self
ok

>>388909543
>>388909543
>>388909543
>Lol that one guy i talked about pokemon once sent me a weird mail
>What the fuck is thah speech, not reading that
>Is that a fucking virus?
>Delete

kek.

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>HM2 is my favorite game
>its a meme to hate it
Why does this board have to have such shit taste

>>388909960
What upgrades to HM would you say HM2 brings to the table?
A lot of people feel like the gameplay was negatively affected by the uncomplimentary level design, that doesn't mean they have shit taste.

>>388909543
What a wanker.

I honestly found 2 wayyy easier

>>388900724
>hard coded
>hard
>coded
>HaRd CoDeD

where did you learn this from?

>>388909960
If HM2 is your literal favorite game of all time you should seriously reconsider your taste in games.

Do you really find it more enjoyable to -play- than the first one? Divorcing it from the narrative and music, how in any way is the gameplay not 100% worse than its predecessor?

>>388909543
>offer a Hotline Miami game that interests people
>get people to greenlight it
>change the entire art style and point of the game
>people get upset
>cry and bitch because muh anime depression
>only send to "close friends" who you've never talked to outside discord and steam
So why the fuck is there a steam page.

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>>388910090
>>388910717
fuck off casuals

>>388903630
wait wat
>>388900910
Especially after the expert mode.

>>388910946
Just because it's more difficult doesn't mean it's better designed.

>>388911031
did i say that?

>>388911151
When you deflect any criticism of the game by calling the critic casual, you pretty much are.

>>388911235
No he's not. For all you know, he thinks HM1 is a 10/10 and HM2 is an 8/10

>>388911235
what the fuck? how'd you come to that assumption you cretin

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>>388899196

I liked Hotline Miami 2.

>>388911328
Then why is HM2 his favorite game?

>>388911342
Usually in the context of video games, calling someone casual usually implies the said persons skills are lacking, ie. the game is too hard for them.

>>388911430
I don't know, nigga, why don't you ask him?

>>388910090
Not him, but I BELIEVE every level compliments the character's playstyle very well.
>Pardo has long range sections to shoot down and small rooms to use gun executions (except Dead Ahead can fuck off)
>Evan has medium-large areas so throwing weapons is more viable to score higher combos
>Jake has medium sized rooms and hallways to compliment each of his masks
>Beard is basically the same as Pardo, though his playstyle is more oriented towards switching between a gun and a knife at any time
>Fans/Son have huge rooms and small hallways that account for solely melee usage (Tony/Dirty Hands), heavy gun usage (Mark/Bloodline), or combat rolling (Corey/Bodyguard)
>Richter is just bigger HM1, as he plays similarly to Jacket, but designed in accordance to the mechanical changes from the 1st

>>388911852
Oh man, I have almost 70h in HLM2 and I still think the roll is a meme ability at best.

>>388899196
>this game is too hard for me
get better at it you stupid faggot.

>>388909543
Did this faggot really get the code from the HM devs?
Can't he get fucked for doing this?

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>>388912030
you're a meme ability

>>388912030
I have 300.
Rolling is one of the most fun abilities in the game, for reasons like >>388912508

>>388912441
Jonatan and Dennis are very nice people, and that was long before he became an emo fag.

I liked it

>>388899196
I'm terrible at games, but I managed to beat both of them. Just not on the harder difficulties.

>>388910957
>wait wat

Animal Farm nigga

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>>388899196

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>>388909543
Jesus christ what a fucking faggot, I didn't even mind the anime aesthetic but when he started copying shit straight out of Persona and tracing art I lost all sympathy from him, especially his autistic rage filled damage control on the discord and steam discussion page.

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>>388909960
>>HM2 is my favorite game
>the need for /v/ to like it so i can re affirm my sense of self superiority
>gorillaz

Yeah, you're a fucking faggot, HM1 beats the utter shit out of HM2 by the way.

>>388917526
>Hotline Miami 2 was already meant as a fuck you to fans who asked for another game

Is this true?

>>388907213

I've got to agree with this. It was already shitty enough camping the doors and creating mass knockdowns.

Its a lot more fun to bash someone head with a bat than shooting the head with a gun. Thats why hm1 will always be better

>>388917941
Looking at the game, to me it seems almost obvious that the devs purposefully did everything in their power to completely ruin the gameplay on purpose.

Plus when you look at The Fans as characters and what happens to them, it just makes sense.

>>388909543
I'd like to add something:
>Hotline Miami
>Originally made as a game for only the devs to play
>Eventually gather the courage to release game to the public

>Midnight Animal
>Dev announces that he's making a mod for the fanbase
>Gets scared and cancels it, only giving it out to his "friends"

>>388905854
Hawaii is shit because it's unbalanced. Playing it with the flamethrower makes it enjoyable.