IS Terra branford the weakest marksman in Dissidia NT?

>>388893183
>marksman
NuDissidia was a mistake

>>388893410

Playing with teammates was a mistake.

>>388893183
No. She might be the most prone to being rushed down but she also has some of the highest damage potential.

>>388893964

How do you even git gud with Terra anyway? Not a big fan of doing nothing to gain powerful moves.

>>388893964

>TFW you call for help when being gangbanged as terra but no one fucking helps you.

Playing as a marksman is absolute hell. I hope Golbez will be good though.

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>>388893183
If I had to rank them I'd say
>God Tier
Emperor
Kefka
Ace
>Mid Tier
Shantotto
Terra
>Low Tier
Y'shtola

>>388895132
He's not gonna be a markmans i can assure you of that

>>388894492
Her rapid fire spells are useful for keeping opponents at bay and in place for a while as well as having less commitment to them so it's not like you always have to wait to charge until attacking, but if you don't like charging at all then she might not be the character for you. Focus mainly on people your team have cornered and who are attacking teammates to interrupt them from afar, and don't stray too far from your team in general.
>>388895132
I think Golbez might be a vanguard actually, he was never really like a marksman in the past games and they wouldn't have to completely rework his moveset.

>>388895478
>>388895465
Why wouldn't Golbez be a marksmen? He has all those lasers and stuff right?

>>388895478

I would not mind the charging if you held the button down.

How is Exdeath in this game?

>>388893410
Dissidia was a mistake

>>388895747
Top tier as usual.

>>388895478

>don't stray too far from your team in general.

Kinda hard when no one fucking sticks close.

>try to be a team player and help my teammates when theyre in danger.
>Even try to help cause some extra brv damage for them
>End up dying twice for the past two games

I Just want to save you guys, but who's going to save me?

>>388893183
THIS GAME IS A FUCKING MISTAKE

>who's going to save me
Nobody until we all get good.

>>388895580
His attacks were mainly about covering two ranges or having multiple uses, usually close and mid or close and long. His lasers didn't really reach that far out and he wasn't about keeping his distance and firing them off specifically. His playstyle and moveset just fits vanguard way closer in how it was used I would say.
>>388895689
But if you had to hold the button down you would be forced to do the attack when you let it go unless you covered it with some other action, which still means you're forced to do something. This way's better for you.
>>388896168
They'll learn one day.

>>388895140
Why'd the put in a conjurer/White Mage? For XIV they could've put in the bard since there's really no famous FF outside or Rosas side role

>>388896553

Regardless, Golbez is fucking cool. Can't wait to see his moveset in NT

>>388896553
>vanguard
He's going to be a specialist. No part of his kit involved knocking people far away.

>>388896179
Not directed at you, but I think the entirety of NA needs to see how the Japanese play this game in their tournaments. I watched this one video on youtube with a guy commentating and it's so refreshing

>>388897210

Pretty amazing how japs can stick together so well even in randoms, meanwhile, us dirty gaijins cannot stick together

How do the madmen do it?

>those y'sthola that dash backwards the second you do a dash in that direction
haha I'm not chasing you, dummy. Either help your allies or lose the match

Reading the gamefaqs page for this game made me physically ill. I never knew gamefaqs was so bad I thought it was a meme.

>>388897389
By having the game out for two years and everyone understanding the fundamental mechanics and theory of the game. Early Dissidia AC videos are just as bad as the gaijin right now.

You're already seeing a lot of coordination in Mithril rank though which is pretty much where the good players start showing up.

>>388897543
I'm trying so hard to play like a team member, but I just keep fucking up and losing the match for my team.

I did a lot better when I just went and did my own thing and soloed a few players.

>>388897484

>Y'shtolas not hitting your face with a blizzard

Silly kitties.

>>388897703
That would be the case if I chased them. That blizzard is woefully ineffective if I decide to just got murder their allies. Passive play only works if you can correctly read your opponent.

>>388897693
Know your roles bruv. Assassins are supposed to zip in and out, vanguard have super armor on a number of attacks so you can face tank a number of brave attacks with a counter, specialist can jump between vanguard and marksman style play, and marksman is run away and blow things up.

>>388896676
>we want the furry audience
she's been practically useless for two expansions they should of just added Louisoix that actually did noteworthy shit. Also most of her kit makes no sense lore wise

>>388897092
Vanguards aren't only about knocking people away, they're generally heavy hitting team fighters with many ways to distract and break into groups from close to mid range while staying in the thick of combat. Looking at the vanguards already in the game there's a lot of parallels, and I don't see him being a specialist unless they add some new trick to his moveset, which they don't really have to since there isn't really anyone that quite does his thing. But who knows what they'll do, it'll be cool either way.

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>>388897389
I notice the Japanese make their teams 1 marksman 2 assassin/vanguard and the 2 keep an eye on their marksman in case they get gangbanged on. They really capitalize on the enemy finishing attacks/missing attacks, and switch targets a lot instead of solo targeting one person the entire match like retard NA.

but they've had the game longer. I have a feeling people will catch on to what works when the game comes out.....hopefully

>>388897925
>Know your roles bruv. Assassins are supposed to zip in and out

I'm trying to do just that man. I just keep getting blindsided by everyone. I'm trying to be everywhere at once so nobodys getting beaten upon endlessly, but then I get targeted by everyone at once.

I can just feel the hate coming from my team, whenever I fail to save them in time

How do you get A lightning off your back as Terra? they will not stop chasing me!

>>388897210
Lay me up on some of those vids

>>388896676
Since the game is now 3v3 they wanted to add someone based around and taking advantage of that who wouldn't have really fit as well before. Plus they probably wanted to have a cat because XIV is one of the few games with different playable races so she helps represent that.

>>388898252
Technically your teammates are supposed to help you out then.

>>388898252
Run away. and charged fire pillar

>>388896676
Y'shtola is the de facto face of final fantasy.

>OMG FIRION IS SO OP
>HE DOES SO MUCH DAMAGE OMG SO BROKEN
Literally just jump.

>>388898430

Shame none of them help even when I am dsperatly bashing the 'please fucking help me' button.

>>388898252
Charged Thunder/Fire maybe Tornado? I honestly don't rely on it the animation takes too long and some just power through it lol

>>388898616
Jumping isn't the answer dumass, just approach from a slightly elevated angle

>>388898975
In other words jump and then attack?

>>388899030
No. Because his toward attack will hit you if you jump. Yuu have to be higher than him

>>388893183
>NT is looking like hot garbage compared to Duodecim
>Dumbed down gameplay mechanics and story mode which were the strongest aspects of the previous game

What went wrong?

>>388899117
>I never played duodecim competitively
haha

>>388899030
>>388898975
Whats the point when his fucking hitbox isnt garbage this time around?
the nigga's actually a threat now.

>>388899117
You forgot how shit Duodecim is and how games ended instantly the second someone picked a super broken character.

>>388899117
If anything it's deeper. No characters were "dumbed down".

>>388899117
How can you say the story mode is dumbed down when I don't think there even is one yet, they're saving it for the console release
Also fuck assists

>TFW some Terra is spamming Meltdown
>My team ignores this
>Kill her with my Terra's meteor

Not this time!

For anyone who doesn't know the rank cap in the beta is Diamond A. No Adamant or Crystal.

>>388899273

[EXDEATH INTENSIFIES]

>>388899273
>instantly

More like it would end in a stalemate of everyone air dodging for 20 minutes until the lower tier character gave up and just accepted the loss.

>>388898275
Not him and don't know if this is the guy, but I've been watching Jaghancement's match commentaries to get a general idea on how japs play. He does a good job at explaining shit in regards to what's going on and what they're doing for the most part.

>>388899816
>>388898275
Not to sound like a shill but I agree if he's done a video on a character you play you should definitely watch it.

>>388899816

Yeah, his videos are nice if you want to know a chracters gameplan.

>>388899809
But that means the game was, in fact, instantly over. It was a foregone conclusion that one player just refused to accept until the weight was unbearable and they couldn't carry it anymore.

>People complaining about dumbed down controls when it's still just pressing one button and moving the control stick slightly

>>388899117
The only part of the game that can actually legitimately be said to have been dumbed down/removed with no equivalent is the removal of Quick Move, which honestly is a huge shame and should never have been removed because it would have worked great with dash being a resource now and dodges being non-vertical since before dash and dodge would almost always make it unnecessary.
But literally no one that actually tries to bitch about this game actually thinks about or uses that as an example.

what I don't like is that split second of start up when you want to dash.
I've died many times during that animation when I had a split second of a chance to live.
If youre gonna take out the I-frames of the dodges, why make dashing take for fucking ever?

>>388900154
quickmove had to be banned in actual fights because characters like zidane could infinite off of it.

>TFW work my ass off with Terra
>No one is together
>Lose
>Get 1st place

At there is something good at the end i guess

>>388900403
You can proc dash faster if you L1 dodge into it

>>388898275
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Di4CyA3hUw8
The second and third matches give a pretty solid idea on how the japs play in general.

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I have a question. Who's the best Terra cosplay?

>>388899273

Fucking Ultimecia!

>>388900465
Oh really, in Duodecim? That's something I've never actually seen before, is there any videos of it? Regardless that just makes it even stranger that they didn't bring it back in this game since there's much more infinite prevention here.

>>388897543
>By having the game out for two years and everyone understanding the fundamental mechanics and theory of the game. Early Dissidia AC videos are just as bad as the gaijin right now.
You also have to consider that people are only going to upload matches of high level gameplay. It's how the whole "level: asian XD" bullshit started to begin with, and it's why easterners have the same misconception (but in reverse) that westerners do.

>>388901130
>infinite prevention
Haha no. Maybe with double wall rushes but if two team mates want to combo you into a break the only thing stopping that is your own team mates

>>388901358
Exactly.

>>388901349
Asians think we're all terrible?

God all matches as of late have been laggy as hell

>>388901492
No not exactly. Stopping that takes two people and starting it requires two people. An infinite takes one person. And if everybody has one, then nobody gets out of it.

If you've ever played anarchy reigns you should already know the big deal with a combo system that is inherently broken.

>>388901778
You're in late night Murrika + Asia waking up.

I feel like I'm not getting any better at Squall's triggers. I wish there was an easy way to practice it.

>>388901556
No, they think the average player in the west is super good, just like how some westerners think Japanese people become gods at video games just by existing. The reality is that there are loads of awful players no matter where you go, but nobody's going to bother uploading footage of them.

>>388901959
Guess that makes sense
Really not a fan of the whole p2p system

I swear this game needs a 'group up together' voice command.

>>388901780
Stopping two people from comboing one person infinitely only takes one other person to approach and hit one of them, of which you have two of on your side while they only have one more to watch their back. What I was saying was that even should the mechanic get ported directly into the game there would be many more ways around potential infinites with the wallrush limit, teammates and invincibility from HP attacks, so old infinites aren't really a reason for scrapping the entire mechanic. Not that it really matters anyway since they wouldn't just add it in exactly the same way, having it return would let them tweak it and remove whatever the infinite was, which is only another reason why I don't understand them not bringing it back.

>don't own PS4
>really want to play Zodiac Age and Dissidia
>don't have money
Square please stop

>>388902708
Again, Anarchy Reigns taught the lesson why infinites aren't a balancing act.

But to go on your musing it did return in a form, as something Sephiroth can do.

>>388902183
That seems weird America always loses tournaments and stuff.

>>388903102
Because America is the land of the Free. But at least we're not Europe who barely gets top 8s outside of the EU and the Arabs are increasingly stealing EU spots.

>>388903016
I didn't make my original comment to talk about the supposed balance of infinites, only to say that old infinites don't have to be a factor in entirely removing mechanics in new games, especially with many other changes already in place. Sephiroth's timed dash cancelling is nothing like Quick Move at all. Quick Move was the context sensitive movement options done with Triangle like grinding, running on walls and making leaps across certain gaps, which is entirely gone except for wallrunning which is just added onto dash, still costs meter and only lets you go up. The only reason I ever heard that might point to why they removed it is something related to how the stages they added first were fairly basic, because they didn't know how they wanted to design the stages just yet since it would have an effect on the balance. But that's only slightly connected to the mechanic itself and doesn't really say anything about it.

>>388904098
I brought Sephiroth up because he's the only one with a unique dash. And that's the best you're going to get. Lines of light are gone forever

Do a ton of people like rail grinding and wall running that much?

>>388905080
It was a neat feature, just there were way too many problems if somebody got on the rail and you were nearby.

>>388904371
Well that's just fucking lame.
While it'd have a pretty big effect on how the game works and require them to have a look over all the stages again it doesn't seem impossible that they would bring it back. Maybe if there was more and consistent demand for it it would be more likely, and it'd actually be a fun and positive change for the game unlike what people tend to whine about.
>>388905080
Can't speak for everyone but I found it a ton of fun, it made moving around the stages really satisfying and flowed really well, plus it rewarded learning the layouts and being aware of what you can do where. At least it would have if dash didn't make it almost entirely obsolete, but this game doesn't have that issue.

>>388905381
Infinite airdash was silly but I didn't dislike it with some of the fights I had. Especially with chases.

And while I want to say "i'll miss it" I can just play dissidia on the psp if I ever want to feel that again

>>388905946
I didn't mind how dashing was for the most part either but it made all the other movement options like even running kinda pointless. Adding a gauge to dashes isn't really the way I would have done it though, especially since it recovers so fast anyway and they also reduced the speed which could have been enough and yet again would have made even more sense with Quickmove being the alternate movement ability reliant on positioning and awareness. The way it is now does work but I feel like it could have been handled just a bit better or cleverer.

>>388895747
frame perfect instakills

This game sounds pretty good

>>388907929
Feels pretty good to play

lol brett getting mad because of not knowing how to play Bartz

>>388908849
Sounds about right for somebody refusing to learn anything

>>388908992
chat was telling him to charge his bow but he was whining about no one telling him to do it

>when you finish a good "short" 7 hour session

How overplayed will Sephiroth be?

>>388911195
At least half the Cloud players from the beta will switch over.

>>388911195
The only thing keeping yaoi fangirls from swarming to this game is sephiroth not being in

>>388911195
High skill ceiling. When you see a Sephiroth below Diamond, run.

>>388912317
Not even. The only thing that is remotely skillful is dash cancelling which itself is a more generous window than squalls trigger. But unlike squall you can be not learn it and be fine, where as not learning trigger as quall means you're doing up 400 damage instead of just under 700 damage

>That marksman that thinks you're going to chase them
The fact that I run into so many of these makes me think that people just give them free hits or something