Franchises where the first entry remains the best one

>>388890791
Huh devil may cry 1 always will be the best at least after DmC release and become terrible shitstan that never gonna wipe off.

>Metro 2033 OP.

>>388890791
>>388891126
No.

>>388891324
But that's technically the second game.

Mortal Kombat.

>>388890791
DMC1 is my favourite overall but nostalgia plays a big part. The combat in 3 or 4 is far better than 1. 1 has the best atmosphere though.

>>388891126
Story kinda creepy and first one always was creepiest of all them but P3 was the best in Ps2

>>388891409

He posted a picture of a franchise in which the first game is the best one, the Souls series, just not a picture OF the first game.

pokemon

Pls don't kill me it's just my opinion

>>388891479
Combat doesn't mean a thing without interesting enemies and areas to go with it.

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>>388891409
Considering DEMON'S Souls is a completely separate IP from DARK Souls then I fail to see how it's the second game.

>>388891554
Fucking retard

>>388890791
>kamiyashit being the best anything
Platinumfags pls go

>>388891268
which language is this

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>>388890791

>>388891676
Truth

>>388891682
well uhhhh they're made by the same devs and have half the same name dark souls is a spiritual successor aka a sequel so dark souls is pretty much demon's souls 2 since it has like 99% reused mechanics and assets

>>388891605
Is this the part where you pretend that DMC3 has worse enemies and areas than 1? Or the part where you start spouting nonsense about "combo dummies."

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>>388891268
THIS IS A SPECIAL ALS ESL CHALLENGE FOR YOU ANON. IF YOU CAN TYPE OUT ONE COHERENT PARAGRAPH IN ENGLISH NIGGA I'LL DONATE 0.00086 BITCOIN TO ANY CHARITABLE ORGANIZATION YOU WISH

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>>388891479
Same, nostalgia does play a big part honestly, but I still play DMC1 for different reasons than 3 and 4, obviously. Dealing with enemies in DMC1 are more interesting overall, and they're a more aggressive overall since the goal of the combat isn't to stunlock enemies other the basic scarecrows. The combat is just more nuanced and you have to actually commit to most attacks.

And yes, the early RE-esque atmosphere really makes the game. Also music that isn't lyrical cancer that DMC3/4 are infest with. I stand by that DMC1 is the best in series overall.

>>388891682
>>388891831
There's also dozens of blatant references within Dark Souls's established lore to Demons Souls.

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>>388891883
>pretend that DMC3 has worse enemies
>Implying it doesn't

>>388891440
MK 1 sucks tho

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>>388890791

>>388890791
king...dom .... hearts?

>>388891651
at least it was.... till I fucked everything up

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Prove me wrong.

>>388892836
Kai Leng, is that you?

>>388892027
THE FLINCH IN YOUR EYE CALLS YOUR BLUFF

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>>388892027
>The combat is just more nuanced and you have to actually commit to most attacks.
You forgot to talk about how le attacks have le weight
>Dealing with enemies in DMC1 are more interesting overall, and they're a more aggressive overall since the goal of the combat isn't to stunlock enemies other the basic scarecrows
So you're just going to ignore that there are enemies in the later series are so resistant to stuns that many players complain about them being "unfair" like blitz/ice cunts/fedora ghost/anything once dt'd in dmc4 and enemies like the arachnids/statues/ghosts in DMC3 just to name a few.

What you're doing is called being obtuse, you think that because skilled players can make the game look easy it means that the game is easy. There is a reason things like truestyle tournaments don't exist for DMC1, it lacks the depth.

Dead Rising

>>388890791
resident evil

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>>388893589
But they couldn't have released Resident Evil 4 first...

>>388893262
>truestyle tournaments don't exist for DMC1

You say that like it's a bad thing.

>>388893589

Challenge:
Explain how RE1 is better than RE2
Eplain how RE1 is better than the REmake
Explain how RE1 is better than RE4

I love RE1, I've played through it upwards of five times, but it's not the best in the series.

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>>388891126
>western PSX version

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>>388894091
>I don't like it so it must be leddit!
The main games are pretty good themselves

>>388891345
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>>388892845
Patrician taste

>>388894428
Preferring 4 to REmake is the biggest red flag for a ribbitor and or someone with shit taste, the castle and island section kills the pacing of the game and the game was designed in a way so that resource management was far less important than it was in previous entries. The game also relies heavily on scripted events opposed to player improvisation that REmake has and the non linear design of REmake along with bonus modes like One Dangerous Zombie as well as two campaigns give REmake for replay value.

RE4 is a great game but in no way is it the best of the series, not even close.

>>388894621
We're talking about RE1, not REmake.

>>388892937
>inb4 muh minigames

>>388894621
>the game was designed in a way so that resource management was far less important than it was in previous entries

Nah, it has the same type of resource management as the rest of the series.

>>388894621
the only other RE i've ever wanted to play is 2 could never do anything fun with the other ones was always "do this or you're playthrough is dead" that really considered fun?

>>388894841
Either one works, both are better than 4.

>>388895112
Ammo drops from enemies meaning that there isn't a fixed amount like in the old games, the developers have been on record saying that the lower you are on ammo the higher the drop rates will increase upon kill. Whereas the other games had a fixed amount of resources at the player's disposal, granted it was usually more than enough but if for whatever reason you misused them then it was up to the player to remedy that through other means.

>>388891126
you would be on to something if you didnt post revelations

>>388892845
Nah, you right.

>>388895319
The older games gave you so much ammo you could kill literally everything in the game multiple times. It's not even funny how much each game showers you with ammo and herbs.

The only resource management present in the majority of the games boils down to "don't waste the good stuff on trash enemies."

>>388890791
>>388891126
>>388891345
>>388891676
>>388891810
Best tastes in the thread. Everything else is shit or just games I haven't tried out

>>388894621
Early Resident Evil has shit combat. RE4 was the first game in the series that had good gameplay. No one but immersionfags care about MUH RESOURCE MANAGEMENT.

>>388893162
false
>>388892937
false
>>388892536
false
>>388891126
false

>>388891810
But anon, that's not the first entry.

>>388895879
Then say what are the best games of each series you replied

>>388896093
in the solid series, it is.

>>388896169
wild world
spyro 2
assassins creed 2 = brotherhood
persona 3

fuck you

>>388896183
Series yes, franchise no.

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>>388895798
With a soon to be quadrilogy and three spinoffs, does Prime count as its own franchise now?

>>388896258
>persona 3
I have have gave you a pass if you said Persona 2 or even 5 if we are just talking about gameplay, but fuck you and fuck Persona 3 and 4.

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>>388896258
Ah fuck you leatherman

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NV fags not welcome

>>388896369
Prime took the place as mainline Metroid for a while so yeah, I guess. Franchise is too broad though. I doubt OP even meant it that way.

>>388891126
>not P2

>>388890791
Left 4 Dead

>>388896389
*would have

>>388895846
Why are you solely equating combat with gameplay? You sound underage.

>>388896389
Persona 5 was good but it got pretty boring. The gameplay is better than the other modern Persona games but still worse than mainline.

>>388891682
I bet you think Soul Edge isn't a part of the Soul Calibur series

>>388893162
This is the second game
>>388891810
This is the third game

>>388896768
Which is why I said if we are just talking about gameplay. I ended up only liking about less then half of the characters. The story is somehow worst then 4. 2 had the worst gameplay in the series, but it at least had great characters and story. 3 has better gameplay then 2, but it's just Tartarus is so shit it ruined the game for me. 4 is just overall shit.

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>>388891126
Not the first in the series

>>388897114
Animal Crossing isn't different enough to be considered a sequel to Forest. It's an enhanced port, and essentially the same game.

>>388893031
FEEL FREE TO DIE WHEN YOU HAD ENOUGH

>>388897548
It's on a different console, has a different name, and has a lot of additions.
It is a different game.

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>>388897460
>Not the first in the series
Well then, neither is that.

>>388897848
hurrr it was never released in america so its not real so i win

>>388897928
sure

>>388896473
It's a toss up between the three west coast ones. 1 is pretty empty and the others have better quests, gameplay and characters except the master which is still the best fallout character and villain

>>388896286

Fucking this.

>>388898178
hahaaa you stupid bitch

>>388890791
When will you start OP?

>>388891479
DMC1 is my favorite too and I'll admit that the combat in 3 is more fluid and stylish, but like the other Anon said, the enemies and bosses aren't as good. It's not like the combat in 1 is bad though, it's just a little slower.

The angel enemies and the archer things were both pretty lame and irritating to fight. Cerberus was okay but had a few cheap attacks like the paw swipe and icicles dropping from the ceiling which you can't see where they're going to land due to the camera angle so it's just a guessing game. Gigapede is just kind of annoying, don't know what else to say about that. Beowulf and the Hell Vanguard are decent enough. Vergil fights were really unsatisfying though, just felt like I was cheesing the AI just trying to get around his perfect blocks.

>>388898737
fuck you

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>>388892268
I didn't mind those so much, pic related is what really bothered me near the end. They have such wide and odd attack patterns that the only thing you can really do is break their shield then stay away and spam ranged attacks. Gave me bad memories of DMC2.

>>388898786
>Vergil fights were really unsatisfying though
I agree with you but git the fuck gud

>>388898786
>Vergil fights were really unsatisfying though
christ talk about shit taste

>>388899207
I never said it was too hard, it was barely a challenge. It just wasn't satisfying or fun. When something makes me keep thinking about how I'm just exploiting a cheap AI it's simply not fun, there's no immersion or enjoyment in that for me.

>>388891409
If Dark Souls is the sequel to Demon's Souls, Persona is the sequel to SMT.

>>388899328
>vergil blocks your attacks 100% of the time in half of the situations he can be in
>have to ignore him most of the time and just stinger or helm breaker him after he teleports/does his own helm breaker first
ooh yeah so fun sitting around because the AI has perfect blocks during half of the fight

>>388890791
No.
>>388891126
Persona 2 exists, so no.
>>388892675
No.
>>388896286
Jesus, no.

>>388891345
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>>388896473
Only correct anons in this thread.

>>388899747
>vergil blocks your attacks 100% of the time in half of the situations he can be in
blatantly incorrect, Vergil is extremely aggressive in all 3 of his fights, I know what move you're talking about too and it's not even used that often.

>>388899523
What do you mean by exploiting cheap AI?

>>388899523
try playing on something other than easy

>>388900356
It's not a certain move he does, it's just that unless you immediately attack him after 1 or 2 of his attacks he blocks you and then does a teleport or whatever else every time. It's set up in such a way that you will literally never hit him during those situations.
>>388900437
Just getting around his perfect blocks. He will block 100% of the time in some situations and never block in others. It reminds me of playing old fighting games in single player mode and just figuring out what the AI can't handle.
>>388900458
A higher difficulty won't make the cheap AI more fun.

>>388900928
>It's not a certain move he does
It is. He raises his arm up and if you aren't aware of what's going on he'll block and teleport away from you. It's not a hard move to see coming nor is it something that should be looked on as a negative. You don't know what you're talking about.

>>388902026
I see, I was wrong. It's just like a buffed version of Dante's royal guard block then. Either way I got around it and it wouldn't have really changed anything during the fights, instead of just knowing when he does it after which attacks, or just knowing when he doesn't do it, it's still basically the same thing. Noticing that wouldn't have made it much more enjoyable for me, I think.

>>388892845
Jak 2 was better.

>>388893915
WEW lad.

>>388890791
not really to be honest
the controls weren't that great
3 and 4 were better in that case

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The first Final Fantasy of every generation.
1 > 2 and 3
4 > 5 and 6
7 > 8 and 9
10 > 10-2 and 12 (never played 11)
13...ok maybe not this one, but you get the idea.

>>388894621
I actually think 4 and Remake battle it out for best in the series but ultimately if I just want to have fun, I go with RE4. I also feel like the controls and inventory management are far more refined than the rest of the series, and it hadn't completely jumped the shark from horror even though it started the departure, but I feel it has the best balance of action, spooks, fun and atmosphere by far. Also the replayability is through the roof. Shit just feels good to play my man

>>388891721
This hurts

>>388893589
>>388894089
how is RE1-2 better than 3

>>388893342
In terms of setting and tone, I will agree 100%, especially when you consider it's the only game in the OG trilogy where you can play as DK; but 2 has the better level variety and music, in my opinion, fuck Dixie tho.

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>>388894089
>Eplain how RE1 is better than the REmake

Not the same anon, but Atmosphere all the fucking way.
A lot of the sillyness/corniness that has seeped into RE over the years managed to make its way into the remake. I still love the remake, but compared to the original it feels like a highschool haunted house. I mean holy shit:
>chains rattling behind the walls in the starting room
>thunder and lightening flashing through the windows down halls
>an actual silent hill/Hell room hidden under the graveyard

For context, this game is supposed to be about a secret bio weapons lab hidden in a small town. Everything listed above is an entirely different genre and kind of an insult to the original's mastery of subtle creepiness. That said the REmake is still a lot of fun gameplay wise, which they totally nailed. I like the better visuals, to. This is why RE1 AND REmake are both in my top 10 games as separate entries. But there you go, that's how the original beats the remake.

>>388897172
Not to derail the thread, I've only recently been getting into the Persona titles (I've played a handful of the SMT games from SMT1&4 , Nocturne, Soul Hackers, Devil Survivor OC, and Strange Journey). I really liked P4G, although it took awhile for the game to click, but I think that's because I disliked the first batch of the party characters aside from Youske. I really like the character interactions, it makes the game feel really chill, even if some of the dialogue can get pretty bad from time to time (not cheesy, but bad performance wise, fuck Chie's VA). Currently playing through P3 FES and I'm not as enjoying as much as 4, but that's because the actual dungeon crawling is a lot more monotonous than 4, and not many of the characters have grabbed my interest aside from Mitsuru, Fuuka, and maybe one or two people like the loli and the old couple.
Have yet to play 1, 2, and 5 but looking to play 2 soon.
Seems like a nice game to play on my PS Vita

>>388892845
Jak 2 and 3 exist.

>>388893262
Blitz isn't 'unfair'. It's just boring. All you do is walk away from it spamming shoot and occasionally pressing dodge when it begins a highly telegraphed attack, then wail on it after it loses its electricity.

>>388906910
>original's mastery of subtle creepiness.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBPorxYQcwc

Yeah man this is truly a master of the art of horror. Take notes David Lynch.

>>388908060
>posting a scene from the opening cinematic
>not the actual game part of the video game
>from a time when all cinematics were cringy and terrible

>>388909051
The actual game was pretty silly too. Remember Jill Sandwich and Master of Unlocking? Or pretty much any time there was voice acting?

>>388905490
>10 > 10-2 and 12

Nah, fuck off, 12 is way above 12 in literally every away
Unless you were an angsty teen when 10 came out and liked the anime dialogue and plot.

Also the only one with a coherent story

>>388907960
Unfortunately.

>>388891651
that buggy fuckfest with lagging textures, frozen animation scripts, stupid as fuck sticky cover, controller lag and redundant button inputs on extra buttons that could have been used to streamline the godawful menus and item selection?

>>388894621
>he can't into professional

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>no retarded Pixar characters
>full blown rated R
>absolutely the best atmosphere
>best gameplay
>story isn't retarded
>down to earth and low key, believable
>best soundtrack
>comfiest vidya of all time pre resonance cascade

>>388890791
>>388891126
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>>388893915
Wow, this must be one of the largest concentrations of shit taste and contrarianism to appear in one thread.

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>>388912313
Actually third game in the franchise, but it's definitely the best.

>>388913408
As much as I liked D1, explain to me, how is it superior to D2?
I'll agree that D3 is inferior to both, even after all these patches and fixes

>>388915389
Better graphics, magic system has more freedom, better music, NO STAMINA METER, better horror elements, and the idea of being closer and closer to hell was much more appealing than generic rpg areas that are in d2 and d3.

>>388891126
But it's not MY HIGHSCHOOL WEEB FANTASY SO STEP ON UP TO THE PLATE BABYBABYBABYBABY EVERY GIRL IS GREAT ON MY PENES

>>388891651
to casuals

>>388892675
>>388899839
Fuck off cunt Crash Bandicoot 1 has objectively the most inventive level design of the series. You would know if you weren't so shit at it.

>>388890791
No way.

DMC 3 SE is an improvement in EVERY SINGLE WAY.

>>388915582
>SMTfags still this buttblasted Persona won
Get over it already.

>>388892845
I liked 2 more than 1, even now. Something about the first game didn't seem right to me. I think it was just that it was too short and easy but I'm a bit sad they didn't continue down the platformer route.

I'm probably wrong, though

>>388915671
yeah sure except in the way of BEING GOOD

turning it into a punching bag simulator and butchering dante's character was the worst thing, but ruining the exploration by making it SHIT was the second worst thing. they didn't even carry over the inventive critical hit system from dmc1 or improve anything, they just added HAHA LE CUHRAYZEE XD memes and now people eat it up

it's got horrible balancing too, something dmc1 nailed outside of exploits. ACTUAL good games have more to offer than DUDE LE OPTIONS LMOA on how you combo passive punching bags for hours.

>>388892536
Hahahahahahahahahahah holy shit no.

Nice setting, though. Better than RENAISSANCE FOR 3 WHOLE GAMES.

>>388909153
Sort of agree, but one of the DS games (don't remember which) is much superior

>>388915732
>/v/ calls out normies for being casual
>Literally the most normie franchises possible are popular on here and get the most discussion and waifufagging
What did /v/ mean by this?

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>>388890791

Fun fact : i wasn't supposed to have sequels. EA forced Bioware to make one after it's success.

>>388893262
But there are true style for dmc 1 and it looks good.

>>388913884
>t. Inever played those games but I think they are shit

>>388915605
How is ME1 casual compared to 2 and 3?

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>>388911312
>12 is way above 12 in literally every away
retard

>>388915810
The only thing you got right was shit exploration.

>>388909234
>he doesn't love the terrible voice acting

>>388891409
I'll take
>What is King's Field the precursor to
for 10 points.

>>388890791
Mein niger. The DMC games can't compare in terms of atmosphere and enemies. The style system and wall running were cool, but DMC1's enemy design is so much more interesting to fight against that those extra systems don't make up for it.

>>388912313
I personally like 2 more, but all the power to you

>>388916949

You obviously haven't played King's Field.

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Both DMC1 and DMC3 are both 10/10, at the end of the day it is just a matter of personal preference over complexity of design in all senses (DMC1) and complexity of mechanics regarding combat (DMC3). I like DMC1 more, and although 90% of DMC3's standard enemies are garbage the combat is too good to dismiss itwith 'muh sandbags'. The way DT works in DMC3 is pure cancer though, and makes some rooms really annoying to deal with. Speaking of enemies, both games have great bosses. Although DMC1 has no bad boss I get that the fact that it recycles most of them three times can get a bit boring for some people, so I like that DMC3 has more variety, even if that means having some mediocre bosses thrown here and there.

>>388917614
>DMC1
>10/10
Shut up, faget. It was an experiment that yielded positive results. DMC3 was an improvement in all ways minus "exploration."

>>388917614
>The way DT works in DMC3 is pure cancer though, and makes some rooms really annoying to deal with
How so?
You're referring to DTE right?

>>388891345
>>388891651
>>388913767
>>388915971
Correct

>>388918096
I worded that wrong, I was talking about how enemies trigger after you kill a set amount and how fucking huge their health bar gets with that boost. Sloths are a fucking chore to kill that way. The timer in DMC1 was a better idea.

I'm not a fan of DTE either, it is too powerful. I don't mind it being there but they should have made it less 'abusable' for lack of a better word.

>>388918676
But that's the whole point of DTE, anon
When the enemies are devil triggered and you use DTE on them, it takes a good chunk of life from them. It is pretty OP in other difficulties that are not DMD
Also, unless you're a fucking god, i think DTE is absolutely necessary in some bosses if you're aiming for an SS total rank

>>388890791

Agreed about DMC1, it has the best atmosphere and is surprisingly creepy at times too, the whole thing has a more Resident Evil feel to it which is right up my alley.

DMC3 is still great though and was a real breath of fresh air after the shit that was DMC2, which I think people over-rewarded it, it's good but not as good as 1.

>>388919291

>> which is WHY I think people over-rewarded it,

>>388892845

Agreed 100% and I just don't know why more people don't feel this way.

2 and 3 are good but they haven't aged as well and lack a certain charm the original has.

>>388896286
No, moves like wet sand in an action intensive environment