>Metroidvania Why the "vania?"

Do you have a tumor?

>>388887247
Castlevania.

>>388887247
Castlevania dingus

>>388887308
then is there just a metroidlike if there are no castlevania elements

>>388887247
Transylvania
Because Samus is trans

Vania stands for

Various
outdoor Areas
aNd
Indoor
Areas

I want to remove the vania part just to disassociate the series with the Metroid style of gameplay.

Because of Castlevania
and by "Castlevania" they mean Symphony of the Night
which was pretty much just Metroid

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What's the best Mariovania?

>>388887308
>>388887374
Which elements from Castlevania are common across the genre?

>>388887679
64
Sunshine is nice but it has quite a few awful Shines
Odyssey isn't out yet

>>388887698
Platforming, backtracking, upgrades and even the combat.

>>388887607
So why not "Metroidlike" or Exploration Platformer or something?

>>388887698
>Interconnected maps
>Progressively gain abilities to compliment movement
>God tier OSTs
>2D
>Brain dead easy combat
>Generally account for some non linearity progression

>>388887679
Hollow Knight

>>388887752
Those things are all from Metroid. What does Castlevania add?

Any "genre" that directly references any specific game is retarded. It puts the game on a pedestal and makes it seem like it's the perfect game, and therefore all games have to be straight clones of it.

>>388887807
See
>>388887876

What's the best Soulsvania?

>>388887781
Because americans and gaming journalists are stupid. Japs actually call it something akin to exploration platformer.

>>388887751
Nah, Sunshine is fucking awful.

>>388887247
Why the metroid?

>>388887247
Because it was originally used to differentiate between Castlevania games pre and post SoTN, not as a gameplay category. The meaning changed but the word stayed the same.

>>388887679
Aladdin for Sega Genesis

This is extremely autistic.

Metro is and symphony of the night were similar games. People looking for "more games like these 2" coined metroidvania. Metroid-like would have also been perfectly acceptable, but that's not what was chose and it read doesn't matter either way.

>>388887968
Castlevania added RPG elements to the mix.

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>>388887247
>when Iga said SotN was Castlevania mimicking Zelda, not Metroid

Why didn't we rename the term then?

>>388887943
Open 2D world doesnt roll off the tongue as well though. I mean thats basically all metroidvania is.

>>388888248
Metroidvania was actually coined by people shitting on symphony of the night because Konami changed the previous Castlevania gameplay to rip off Metroid. It became the term people used to refer to Metroid ripoffs in general later.

>>388888274
Breath of the Vania?

Metroidvania = metroid-like Castlevania
For example, SotN is a metroidvania, while Super Castlevania IV is a classivania.

Using metroidvania as a synonym for action adventure is a bit dumb, as castlevania didn't define the genre in any way. Metroidlike is better, although it would be even better if we found a name that didn't include any past titles, just like FPS is better than doomlike.

>>388888274
Sounds like something a hack fraud would say. Glad I didn't support his game.

>>388888430
Well considering they aren't open world that would be a dumb name to call them anyways.

>>388888607
"Doom clone" used to be common but we moved past it.

>>388888607
"Doomclone" used to be a thing until FPS became so prevalent it had a ton of variations, and the main focus had shifted heavily from Doom-style gameplay

That shift from Super Metroid style gameplay hasn't happened to Metroidvanias yet, nor are they games that are released by the ton

>>388888259
Not all games in the genre have that.

>>388888739
I see. -like might have been only used for Rogue.
In my country the directly translated term would have been "doom-type".

>>388888678
Its pretty much the closest you can get aside from something like maplestory.

>>388889071
No, open world games don't item gate you that's why they're open world. No matter how hard you try you're not getting very far in Super Metroid without getting the Morph Ball or the Mothwing Cloak in Hollow Knight.

>>388888430
"(Lateral) backtracking adventures", or LaBA.
Tbh "first person shooter", "real time strategy game" or "multiplayer online battle arena" don't roll off the tongue particularly well either.

Do you know what a metroidvania game is? Do you understand what elements a game that is classified like that will have? Then it's doing it's work and that's the fucking name, there is no need to change it.

>>388890309
The elements of a metroid game?

we should change the name to castlemania
those indie games barely have any metroid in them

>>388890427
A metroid game with light RPG elements, yes, stop trying to act like you don't understand this simple concept.

>>388890443
Where does the 'mania' part come from?

>>388890516
So a Metroidlike game with RPG elements

>>388890667
Aka metroidvania, yes, pretending to be a retarded is not helping you in this argument.

>>388890615
pac mania
sonic mania
castle mania

>>388890770
Why the "vania"?

>>388887781
Because Castlevania is better than Metroid. If anything they should be Castlvanialike.

>>388891023
Because Symphony of the Night, a castlevania game, was a game similar to metroid but added it's own flavor, mainly RPG element, and was very popular, after that they continued to make similar games and the name "Metroidvania" was popularized.

>>388891603
Why not Castlevanialike?

>>388890516
Given that Wonder Boy did "Metroid with RPG elements" way before SotN, shouldn't we call it metroidwanda?

>>388891706
No, we should call it Metroidboy

>>388891753
That makes it sound sexist.

>>388891641
Because people already had been saying "metroidvania" to refer to castlevania games with metroid elements and the term stuck, eventually been used to describe the entire genre.

Why even make this thread?

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>>388887247
>Metroidvania

>I HATE that term, because it implies that they're the same and they're not.

^(actual quote by him)

>>388891851
I don't know, that seems pretty retarded.
Should just call them Metroid like games.

>>388891641
Because Metroid was already a popular series and since both series shared similar aspects the name was created containing both names.

>>388891706
Castlevania series was more popular and the game that popularized the genre.

>>388891903
>not undersoulsvanialike

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>>388891903
nigga what?

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>>388891903
>"genre" includes the game Undertale is based on

Metroidvania is the Soulsvania of video game genres.

>>388890516
>>388890667
Not all games in the genre have RPG elements, it is not a defining feature.

>>388892052
>undersoulsvanialite

>>388891919
Waterfall is also a retarded name, it's just water, why is the fact that it's falling important? And rainbow? Why not call it skycolors? What about cupcakes? The cup is just the container the cake is being served, we don't call it a platecake when we eat a cake from a plate.

>>388889028
Whichever games you're referring to aren't Metroidvanias then dingus

>>388892220
What's the Dark Souls of Metroidvania DOOM-like Souls clones on PC though?

>>388892334
>False equivalence
Metroidvaniafags, everyone.

>>388892361
Any Metroid game.

>>388892334
i guess this is easier for you than admitting you're a retard who has no real argument

>>388892334
Thank you for being the not-retarded person in this /v/ thread.

>>388892334
>water
Nice food analogy retard

>>388892431
Metroid games aren't metroidvanias they're Metroid games. Just like how Castlvania games without the backtracking aren't metroidvanias they're Castlvania games.

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>>388892565

>>388887534
VARIOUS
ALTERNATING
NOT INDOORS
INDOORS
AREAS

>>388892396
>>388892508
How is that a false equivalence? That's how language works, people create words, someone looked at the sky after a rain, saw a bow made of color and called it a rainbow, people started calling it too and now that's the name. Someone played SotN, saw metroid elements on a castlevania game and called it metroidvania, people started calling it too and now that's the name.

>>388887247
Metroidvania implies that anyone outside of ninteniggers gives a shit about metroid.

>>388892431
Are you an retard

>>388892781
>Someone saw Metroid elements in a non-Metroid, non-Castlevania game and called it a Metroidvania
This is you

Didn't the Symphony of the Night guy say that the dev team had Zelda in mind when they making sotn?

The only thing I can think that each game contributed to the genre was a focus on difficulty spikes during bosses (and somewhat in general) for Metroid while Castlevania contributed more robust RPG elements.

>>388892876
Sadly i'm not the person that created that name anon, i was just a child when SotN came out, i would probably call it just metroidlike but, again, that's how words work and shit.

>>388887247
>Igarashi copies Super Metroid and tacks on a barebones leveling system
>Castleniggers now think they deserve to to be part of sub-genre single handily made by Metroid
They are parasites

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>>388887534
Variable
Automapping
Navigation &
Interconnected
Areas

>>388892617
>Metroid games aren't metroidvanias

>>388887308
Fuuuuuuuck
Why am i just learning this?

>>388893125
Castlevania 2?

Also remember that Metroid was dead that generation. There were 8 years between Super and Fusion.

>>388893181
Gundam is an acronym?

>>388892617
I understand what you mean but i don't agree, it would be like saying Rogue is not a Roguelike.

>>388893362
Only in SEED. And it's like five different ones in it because Fukuda and his wife are hacks.

>>388893326
How does that change the fact that Metroid created and defined the genre? Castlevania added nothing.

>>388891903
Wait how is he negotiating with a Vile during new kagatsuchi

>>388893372
well if rogue had additional sequels which generally adapted gameplay so the term "rogue-like" no longer really applied to them then yes, thats exactly what it would be like.

I really do not understand what you're getting at here.

>>388893578
>SEED

Well no fucking wonder. Speaking of Gundam, I have been going through the series from the start. Which ones should I skip?

>>388895632
You typed a bunch of words but they don't appear to mean anything.

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>>388888173
you take that back

>>388887842
>Inb4 la mulanafag

>>388892167
It's like how ALTTP is a soulslike

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>>388887247
>SotN is released
>people notice its simmilarities to Metroid games
>they start calling it a Metroidvania (as opposed to the Classicvanias)
>normalfags start calling EVERYTHING a Metroidvania
and that's how the word lost its meaning

actual Metroidvanias are: SotN, the 3 GBA Castlevanias, and the 3 DS Castlevanias

>>388897315
It's the Dark Souls of 2D Soulsvania Adventurelikes

>>388895718
if you're talking about UC gundam then just skip ZZ and ignore the subhuman /m/ posters. the rest of them are alright except for Unicorn but i'd still watch it anyways

>>388898297
What makes ZZ bad?