low poly aesthetic basically "5th gen 3-D lovefest"

>>>/vr/4135508

>>>/wg/6981147

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the pinnacle of PS1 3D graphics AND survival-horror genre

>>388859091
I want indie devs to write their own software renders that use authentic retro-graphics techniques. None of this modern "Direct3D pretending to be retro" shit.

>>388854619
Lmao holy fuck. Hacked version? I don't remember that ever happening.

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>>388859547

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>>388859326
Already done
https://github.com/dsoft20/psx_retroshader

In fact I'm pretty sure I originally found this here on /v/, or possibly /agdg/.

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>>388859326
>I want indie devs to write their own software renders that use authentic retro-graphics techniques
...like so?

>>388859091
>pinnacle of survival-horror genre

Clock Tower (SNES) is better.

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>>388859326
you may wanna check out the new indie-RE clone, Vaccine.

>>388859078
Fucked how the fire was essentially 3-4 models that were rapidly drawn, erased and then replaced by the last one. How primitive but logical.

>>388859732
>>388859791
>>388859959
Really cool stuff. Brings a tear of joy to my eye to see work like this.

>>388859959
>that bright shiny light baked circularly into the wallpaper
sugoi

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>>388860130
It's just yet another case of global collective consciousness slowly but surely tackling yet another old dream of many gamers and devs at the same time now.

Remember how people used to describe about their dream deep-sea games years ago? And then we suddenly got a handful of sea-exploration themed games.
Same thing's going on now, but this time it's the already ages old case of people getting tired of fake "8-bit pixel art" graphics, and demanding retro style 32 and 64-bit graphics instead.

>>388859959
Is it good?

>>388860643
what game

>>388860843
random generated maps, need to find an antidote for a zombie virus before time runs out. Tank controls and static camera angles.

Take that how you want.

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>>388859959
4gbs really?

>>388861271
>random generated maps
Dropped.

>>388861341
The new age of empires 1 remaster recommends 16 gigs

>>388860643
>intertoys
WUT GAEM

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>>388861271
>random generated maps
Every time.

>>388861341
No matter how much it MIMICKS the oldschool looks, the technology it runs on is not as primitive.
And as you can see, 2GB is enough.

>>388860493
Yeah, I have a feeling that the hardware limitations of older systems actually caused the artists to produce aesthetics that we simply don't see any more.

Ocarina of Time, for example, is constantly criticized for not aging well, but we have to remember that the art was not designed to be viewed above a 240p resolution, with outdated texture filtering, and odd dithering to help with transparency. The ports to newer systems ironically make the game look worse IMO, because it's rendering the game at higher-resolutions, using modern rendering techniques.

>>388861271
>random generated maps
aka we are too lazy to design our maps pls gib money

>>388860643
>>388861556
Sauce for these two please.

>>388861875

Yeah but pretty much every other game from the time period looks better today when the res is upsized. OoT just looks like garbage.

I'm playing Quake 2 right now and it looks fucking fantastic. Better than this >>388855547
that guy is using some port that's added bloom to it.

I also emulated the original PS1 Medal of Honor games on PCSXR-PGXP and on Retroach Beetle PSX recently and they look absolutely fantastic. Wheras even on my old CRT and played on my Wii, OoT looks bad.

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HOW DID THEY DO IT?

>>388862424
Passion, talent and ancient Japanese black magic.

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>>388861875
Yes, technological limitations, primitive development tools, and even the primitive display technology + connections of the era did greatly affect how the games were designed AND ended up looking for the end-consumer.

I personally think OoT's aged damn fine. Partly thanks to its not-so-realistic, borderline anime looks.
I have, however, noticed that the game loses quite a bit of its color-depth when played above 240p. As if its gamma would go up or something.

>>388862083
it's more like an endless Mercenaries mode of sorts, not something you play for plot.

>>388862424
Damn good artists and workaholic mentality.

>>388862476
>ancient Japanese black magic.
More like saving a lot of drawdistance when you base your game around fog.

>>388860643
What game?

>>388860028
As to what? How do you think games work? How do you think screens work? Everything is just drawn on screen, frame by frame, one deleted after the next one is drawn.

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>>388861875
Pretty much. Artists were working they're best within their limitations. They weren't really thinking future proof.
>>388862558
Well, yeah. Plus black magic.

>>388862934
Oh my god and then kids ask why we get so mad about shit sequels like that.... i will never forget that big eileen head it scared the shit out of me

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>>388862558
saving resources like that is not a replacement for good artistic eye and skills though.

The sheer crazy level of attention to details and life-like animations, mixing mocap and hand-made facial expressions, is still a pleasure to look at.

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>>388863238
Every time I use that pic, I'm always impressed how much Silent Hill holds up.
I mean, look at this! Holy fuck!

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>>388862934
Silent Hill has always been good at its pre-renders imo, although judging by your pic they clearly fucked up in recent years.

also parasite eve

>>388863434
Heather looks amazing there. Douglas' mouth flaps a bit too much, as if its sped up. Still holds up amazingly well though.

>>388864004
is that not shattered remains for the wii

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>>388864004
>this is a 2003 PS2 game
The only thing better than OG SH-games' graphics are their audio world.

>>388864197
Team Silent stopped using pre-rendered cutscenes after SH2.

>>388864253
No. Silent Hill 3.

>>388864197
Downpour was some Western dev who obviously had no idea what they were doing other than "make a game". Can't remember if it was from that fuckface who called himself the biggest SH fan.

>>388864197
Siren? anyone? i was impresed by the animations in that game, the game in general was pretty awesome.

>>388861556
what's this?

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>>388864253
The trick is, if its Silent Hill and it looks good, it's Team Silent, aka 1 to 4. Everything else were random devs who took the basic concept "foggy city, monsters, SYMBOLISM AREN'T WE SO SMART AND FUCKING SUBTLE"

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>>388864331
Their audio design, 3 in particular, was and still is perfect. Seriously, Konami has to be run by fucking retarded monkeys to disband Team Silent.

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There was something about this game, even at the time of its release, that just screamed "uncanny valley."

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>>388864420
>Can't remember if it was from that fuckface who called himself the biggest SH fan.
You mean the "Walkin', talkin' SH Bible", our boy, Tomm Hulett? Yeah, he was involved.

And the whole thing ran on UE3, was all around broken AND clunky as fuck, had no Akira Yamaoka's music at all, but instead opted to use both KORN and that guy who did Dexter's music.

>>388864873
Exactly.
People were outraged when Kojima Productions was shut down and their IP kept as an hostage. But nobody even batted an eye a decade earlier, when TS experienced the same fate.

It's even sadder knowing that many ex-TS people found shelter from the Kojima Productions soon after their disbanding.

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>>388864908
Haven't played it but they look a bit too much like action figures. Obi-wan in particular. You can practically see how the torso was from some other chinese action figure the factory was making and stuck two random arms on it, to save money.

>>388864908

Is that ep 1 official game or Jedi Power Battles?

>>388861401
Pretty sure that's just the default recommended on the Windows Store for games that haven't finished testing, there's a few others which seem to share the same settings.

>>388865205
Lowpoly flat textures is so lazy and ugly. Every time I go to /3/ or other 3D modeling forums and see newbies shit out "muh low effort hipster models" expecting praise I get disgusted.

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>>388865094
I won't pretend like I don't feel hate towards a lot of people, but this guy is up there with instant punch to the face. There's being excited for working a classic IP and there's being an asshole. This guy takes that and goes all out to the point where even people unfamiliar with SH won't want to play this. Only fucking hate.

The whole Kojima thing had the whole ruse thing plus the fact that it was an obvious bad breakup. I can't remember the details from Team Silent but I guess it was more of a "that's a shame" and the team just moved on in silence

>>388865710

This. Low poly only works with detailed textures or high res textures.

Flat textures or texture filtering just makes it look like fucking trash.

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>>388865710
That's a mod for Skyrim, fyi. I tend to agree though. With the right art direction, I'm sure I can like it, but its the next "low effort 8bit pixel", meaning everyone with a free Unity engine will make cause MAH ART AND ARTISTIC EXPRESSION

>>388861573
like communism it sounds good on paper, but fails to be less fun than just using a hand crafted map.

>>388865406
Episode 1

>>388859547
tfw no translation patch

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>>388865710
it's no wonder though, especially when the texturing efforts of similar level tend to get bashed down to the ground even harder.

>>388865748
Yeah, Hulett was a cunt, and unfortunately he managed to spawn a lot of crazy followers for himself, many of whom worked on the western SH titles. It is VERY worrysome when the directors, producers and writers of the new games spew out shit like "I didn't really like SH1, because 2bh, I didn't get it. That cult and demons shit is sooo boring, man!", all while trying to convince people that they're now "taking the series back to its roots!" with their yet another SH: The Movie - The Game release.

>I can't remember the details from Team Silent but I guess it was more of a "that's a shame" and the team just moved on in silence
That's because there was no details given. No big press conferences. Not even a notice to fans. All the sudden, TS was just not making games any more, and a bit later some bits and pieces about what had happened started leaking to the press via 2nd hand personnel.

In a hindsight, the break-up wasn't that surprising. Konami practically HATED Team-Silent and SH. The team was considered to consist of the studio's B-tier artists and coders, and they were only given a task of creating a blatant competitor for the megahit of the day, Resident Evil.
Thank god the team quietly rebelled and made something a bit more original and spooky instead, even sacrificing their own free time and health to deliver the first games.

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>>388866068
My guess is devs who want to be the next Binding of Issac plus it justifies lazy level design.
Shit like Strafe pisses me off. All geared up to enjoy it and then
>procedural generated
FUCKING WHY YOU RETARDS
At least Dusk is looking nice. And you know, with actual fucking level design.

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Since you people are bringing up the Silent Hill games so much, I guess this would be a fine place to dump the SH PC Guide + the DL links:

SH1 NTSC DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!bVUCTJzD!PmnPw4S7fWGyvTjw9S0-RQdk7rRp2BQNuXJqRkZCZvk

SH2 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!rFcj1SIJ!47JH9M4OrzmQKuaiJ6IqUgmgz_SVNtk4LIYNSa-D-_8

SH2 torrent:
https://mega.nz/#!bYcEnbhC!rYnhvcJiRC46T6yExS0Y61JHZ-5N3WxFvfZMI8xbyhE

SH3 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!2JNkgJ7b!nfPf5cIs6I5K-sdAs7RcnHvGA2hAvIGdpQuIoBhF3iE

SH3 torrent:
https://mega.nz/#!GVVGRLpD!SyklVbuLIkc38ZYji5QL3sWHKtHt9-Bto700My8pH7c

SH4 DDL:
https://mega.nz/#!Us1XTaII!cglH0dZOaH5yQEm4cnEh3eyUz4bIf6rACQqcVzkb4Hc

Mount the ISOs of 2 & 3, and then run their installers like always.
The SH1 is a PS1 rip that you gotta emulate.
The "sh2proxy" is a all-in-one fix, that works as a no-cd crack as well. It is included in the pack.
If you use the NEW fix mentioned in the guide, you can use the sh2proxy's EXE as the no-cd crack!

In case you experience issues saving the game / not being able to edit the disp.ini, make sure the files aren't set to "Read Only", and run the game as Administrator.
If SH2 gets stuck in a black screen upon launch, close it and re-start it again.
If SH3 runs like shit even on a strong PC, check and lower the Rendering Resolution setting.

SH2-4 do not support Xinput gamepads. Either use Xpadder, a DirectInput pad, or just play with KB+M.
You can now see some decent emulator settings for SH1 as well in the guide. If the image of the game does NOT fill your entire screen in fullscreen mode, check your plugin AND GPU control panel's image scaling settings!
Also give the new PGXP emulator a shot for a lot less wobbly PS1 graphics.

>Protips
-Play in the release order.
-Never play below Normal difficulty.
-Replaying them all is recommended.
-Turn down the ingame Brightness setting,
-Don't try to kill everything that moves, especially outdoors.
-Turning OFF the flashlight can really help.

>>388866163

I fucking loved that game. I have a whole load of screenshots from that somewhere I am trying to find them and post them in this thread.

PC version is much better than the console version.

>>388866412
i was actually going to ask someone for this, there is no general anymore. thank you dude.

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>>388866303
>...the only people you can blame are Konami themselves
No, you fucking retard, I'll blame you as well for making a bad game. I fucking hate this blame shifting attitude.
I can see why SH was never a money machine but the treatment towards the team and Konami's retardation is beyond this world.
And fuck Hulett and anyone that agrees with him. I never particularly enjoyed the cult aspect of Silent Hill since I prefer the focused character study with the worldbuilding for the town in the background, not as a main focus.
YET, I'm not a fucking retard who gets hired to write a SH game and doesn't even fucking try.

>>388866713
>RE7,Outlast2,Deadwood,Observer,Little Nightmares
and still no general.

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>>388866713
NP mate!
Save and share the SH love!

>>388860643
DICK FRIES

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>>388866412
Doing God's work, anon.

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>>388865710
>Lowpoly flat textures is so lazy and ugly.
I disagree to an extent, but I guess it depends on how it's done. Indie devs could really benefit from a low detail style that isn't explicitly retro, otherwise they have to deal with the problem of creating TONS of "content" to make the world feel coherent.

It's kind of the same idea behind hand-drawn animation -- backgrounds have lots of detail because you only need to draw them once, but some elements, like characters, have low detail. If animators didn't do that, they'd spend their whole lives animating a small number of shots.

Older games didn't have this problem, since you maxed out the system before ever approaching your artists' content creation limitations. It's all about being economical.

>>388854619
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yFPiKgjW7L4

I really like the aesthetics of this game, although the gameplay made wanna die at some points

>>388854619
It will be the new pixel art indie shit soon

>>388867646
Obviously. 90's kids who grew up with this are now adults, making their own games after their childhood ones. In 10 years we'll see a return to military shooters with regen health, chest high walls, etc.

>>388867646
not gonna happen

hipsters have 0 talent and literally a retard can do pixels which is what they are literal retards

>>388868275
this is true

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>>388867957
I guess that was an insult but I don't see why.

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>>388868275
Tools are easily accessible. Even absolute, clinically retard people can make 3D games now. And we even have stuff like the Unity store for assets which makes it even easier.
I think there's one Minecraft look alike asset pack from the store that's been bought/pirated, change the name of the original file and put on Steam by like 10 different people.
Exactly the same, not a single thing changed except the name.

>>388868564
It's uninspired and simply exploits people's nostalgia.

>>388865989
Whats the mod called?

>>388868965
There will be people that grew up with it that really do want to make it and there will be others who just follow the trends and try to make a quick buck.
But that's true to everything. People grew up with superhero movies, grew up in the industry and can now do their own superhero movies. At the same time, we have people who never saw or care for superhero movies and yet they're making it cause its where the money is.

>>388869141
I think this one, although I'm not sure.
http://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/78887/?
If you look up Skyrim Toon you should find it if it's not the correct one.

>>388865094
>But nobody even batted an eye a decade earlier, when TS experienced the same fate.

Reminder that The Silent Hill Legacy ended with a fucking Diablo clone on the fucking Vita and a movie that rapes Silent Hill 3, one of my favorite games of all time, and rarely anyone talk about this. People get mad about MGS, but I've been fucking fuming about H since Homecoming and that shitty PSP game.

>>388869618
I feel ya. My only hope is that the team is each working on what they want in interesting projects and not cleaning the condoms from Konami's love hotels.

>>388855547
did you intentionally try to make quake 2 as ugly as possible

>>388869618
>SH: Rev ends with every single character going off into different SH game plots

me and my buddy couldn't fucking believe that movie

I shit myself realizing John Snew was supposed to be Vincent

>>388860643
Google and Yandex don't know what this is.

What is it?

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>>388862292
He's using the Darkplaces equivalent for Q2 except it's worse because Darkplaces actually has some merits to it and good games on it.

>>388859547
texture filtering, screen filtering and shaders are for homos
high resolutions and pgxp are fine when applicable

>>388866412
Thanks mate.

>>388860843
Not very.
It rather relies on the flattering comparison to RE when people look at screenshots, but the gameplay is basic and very unengaging, imagine Resident Evil where you can do everything correctly but still get fucked, and lacking any care or intention in layout or enemy and item placement, coupled with even worse writing.

>>388860932
>>388861554
>>388862113
>>388862623
>>388867161
>>388871228
Looks like a map made in Goldsrc (CS, Half-Life)

>>388860493
>Same thing's going on now, but this time it's the already ages old case of people getting tired of fake "8-bit pixel art" graphics, and demanding retro style 32 and 64-bit graphics instead.
I'm not so sure about that. People shat on the FFIV remake that landed on Steam for its graphics. It may have had more polygons, but it feels like what you've described.

>>388864908
>>388866442

>tfw can't find the pics and I think I left them on my old HDD when I reformatted

I am legitimately saddened by this. Oh well, at least I've got an excuse to replay the PC version of Phantom Menace again and get new screenshots. That game is fucking amazing.

>>388871425

Yeah I use Yamazi for Quake 2 and Quakespasm for Quake 1.

What do you use for Quake 3? I am going to be playing that next and not sure if it's new enough to just run natively fine on Id Tech 3 or if I need a port for it too.

>>388860643
fried dicks

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>>388872873
I personally use Quakespasm for Q1 SP, nQuake for Q1 MP, Q2PRO for Quake 2, and Quake3e for Quake 3.

>>388873032

Is there an image of guide for all the engine ports for Quake 3 like there is for Doom and Quake 1 and 2?

What are the benefits of Quake3e? What does it do over regular Id Tech 3?

>>388869518
Looks kinda like The Long Dark

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>>388873263
It just runs better and has some extra commands as well as an autodownloader for maps. Works fine for CPMA which is the only Q3 related thing I play.

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You guys should try Nostalgia on DS. It's a JRPG, great comfy feel and the textures are actually pretty good so you can crank up the resolution in your emulator.

>>388875264
Something about Namco Museum creeped me out as a kid.

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>>388875663
fuck yo mama

>>388860643
>>388860932
>>388861554
>>388862113
>>388862623
>>388867161
>>388871228
>>388873003
it's a cs1.6 map called de_downtown

>>388876005

What a shame, a map as comfy as that and it never got played.

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>>388867646
>>388867870
>>388868275
In a way it's already happening

>>388876695
>Dude abusing glitches lmao

>>388864331
>>388864197
>>388864004
>>388863434
>>388862934
Man these are making wanna play Silent Hill i know that the colection its pretty messed up but its the only way i can play it in the near future,is it at least decent to play that or i will taint my first time with the games?

>>388876851
The devs designed it to be like early Quake and Doom. That means stupid fast speeds and bunny hop mechanics

>>388860028
wouldnt it be simpler to have one model and just have it rotate a random number of 30 degree increments generated every nth frame?

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>>388854619
ASWAT Best SWAT

>>388868275
>>388867870
>>388867646

Is anyone else not really that bothered that stuff like this isn't being made anymore, just because not only is there a large backlog out there of good games and expansion packs already from that era to get through. But also a fucking massive backlog of mods?

Seriously the amount of mods for Thief, Quake, Doom, Half Life and other 90's and early 2000's games is fucking massive.

>>388876695

First level I've seen from this game that actually looked fun to explore. I like that cornfield.

>>388876989
Bunny hopping is and always will be stupid. Why design your game to purposefully be broken like old games?
Just because people are "good" or "skilled" at it doesn't make a difference, it's still a glitch.

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>>388862424

Loading screens for each room.
Darkness and noise filter hiding flaws
Using PS2 to the full on environments.
Focus on what people tend to notice the most (faces) on character models.

Look at the image, at first it looks amazing, even modern. Then you start to scruitinize it a bit more and see that well, actually, some textures look PS2 tier.

>>388877309

Bunny hopping is fun as fuck you faggot. I don't think people realize but jumping is the most fun mechanic in gaming, full stop. Doesn't matter what game, jumping is always the greatest mechanic. The better and more complex and involved your jumping mechanics are and the more control the player has over the jumps, the better the game is.

Every game is better off with the inclusion of jumping, every game that has gimped jumping has been worse off because of it.

>>388877309
it's a matter of preference really. Some people (myself included) like the feeling of shooting fast and moving fast. It's perfectly fine if tha'ts not your thing, I'm sure you can still enjoy the game without having to learn any of that stuff. You can chill out, my guy. There are enough games out now a days to cater to everyone's specific tastes. You do you, and let me do me.

>>388866412
Thank you anon

Someone post Sonic Jam pictures. I'm unable to right now.

>>388877580
>>388877309

Addendum:
>Why design your game to purposefully be broken like old games?

This is actually a really good question. Honestly, even if I wasn't into bunny hopping I love it when a dev takes an idea (whether that be something of the original dev's design or something the community cooked up) that was only partially touched upon and then fully elaborates on the concept. You know, really explore what can be done with the idea if it was given free reign. Sometimes this experiment doesn't work, sometimes it does. Either way it's useful data, and I respect devs passionate enough to try out these niche risks

>>388876904
emulate or play pc version tard

So, speaking of low poly horror themed games.

Should I play the original White Day or the remake?

I just recently heard about it and im wondering what would be the best experience.

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>>388877309

>>388877309
If I recall correctly, bunny hopping remained in the id tech engines because it was a natural result of the movement mechanics, and Carmack couldn't find a way to get rid of it that didn't cause the game to feel sluggish.(Despite the fact that he tried several times to remove it)

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>>388857323
>>388858162
Fuck off.

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>>388854619
G.Darius had a pretty comfy low poly aesthetic too bad the game itself isnt comfy

>>388877309
imagine being this retarded

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>>388861341
is people bitching about indie games with retro looks recommending 4GB RAM a meme now?

>>388879073
Is this webm a meme? I've seen it posted way too many times

>>388879186
it's literally the only DUSK gameplay webm I bothered to make and I haven't seen anyone else post theirs. I'm sure other people have better gameplay to show off.

>>388879073
Actually, I am going to complain about that. What the fuck is taking up 4GB?

The N64 had 8MB with the expansion
The PS1 had 2MB main memory
Even the PS2 only had 32MB

Where the fuck does 4GB come from when your game looks like it came from the 90s? That's simply terrible engineering.

>>388860797
I miss gibs, why can't they be more popular in modern games?

I kinda wish that more Indie game studios would use the low poly aesthetic way more often

>>388878882
Does it do that launching animation for every boss?

>>388879325
Ah, alright. I thought there was a joke I wasn't getting or something.

>>388879496
>Unity
There's your problem.

>>388879603
Plain ol ragdolls are easier I guess.

>>388879723
I thought it was politically incorrect to criticize developers for using Unity. Doesn't that make you a bad person?

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>>388879496
devs being taught the compilers optimiser is good enough and shoving a bunch of shit everywhere, then releasing games in barely working or even not working order and patching day 1 with half the game arbitrarily ripped out as DLC but still on the disc

>mfw silent hill 3 has unlockables that are only on the ps2 version
<-- this but heather.

>>388859732

awesome
>>388860130
yes bro

>>388879724
but all you need to do with gibs is cut that model up into pieces and model it bloody, then throw in exaggerated blood splatters and some shapeless giblet models

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http://projectmizzurna.tumblr.com/

>>388879073
One of the first few maps of doom has a room just like that.

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>>388879624
Kinda? Each boss has its own unique intro

>>388862934
>>388864004
>>388863434
From these pictures, I'd say its topology and texture noise, at least compared to that horrible Downpour model, that holds them up. SH3 characters have a bit over exaggerated laugh lines.

>>388858162
>>388857323
I prefer >>388854619

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>>388863434

>>388864873
is low poly 3d models with high res textures the peak of low poly aesthetics?

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Is this low poly, is there a set number of Polygons that need to be used?

>>388880110

>website claims this is a full 3D open world game on the PS1

Why have I never heard of this before. If so that would have been revolutionary.

this thread is my heart

>>388883124
And eventually we will be able to play it in English

>>388854619
at least it feels like a real apocalypse in this gif

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>>388854619

>>388883124
just like driver?

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will keep this thread alive for awhile

not sure if discussed yet.. but my mind goes to this

>>388882609
It's definitely low poly, but the thread seems more about the low-poly + low res texture aesthetic that old games had. What game is this from ?

>>388886108

"no" poly aesthetic..

am i right?

This is from an aesthetic slightly before the low poly one, OP speaks of.

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>>388880340

I Love low poly in this era of shooters. The low need for "poly's" made the ships look great!

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What do you call the FF PSone style of blocky models running around a detailed "photograph" background? I think it looks cute.

>>388888247
>>388886108

I love this aesthetic, but people need to stop posting NO Poly

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>>388888473
I call it a great mix of techniques for a great aesthetic

>>388888473
it's cozy

>>388860843
No, it sucks.

>>388887306
http://penn.pithytwigs.com/3D/museum-of-moss

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>>388854619
Does this count?

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might as well post snake

>>388891261

MGS is way better looking. Much better texture work, music. MGS = pushing the PS1 get the best looking game with great art style. Twin Snakes = cheap rushjob remake by some cheap Canadian devs.

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>>388891534
>>388891261

>>388891684
>>388891261

I noted on release that MGS:TS looks like a dentist's office. It's mostly the bland texturing. Everything looks smooth, plastic and lacking grit. MGS looks downright dirty and poorly maintained. Without knowing differently, I would assume that TS is set in some futuristic ship and everything is made out of some techno-plastic polymer. MGS2 had a similar issue, but it was mostly set in Big Shell, which was a nice new mostly metal/plastic building and Arsenal Gear which really was a futuristic techno-base.

I do like the character models more though. They seem pretty accurate. They probably spent the most time on those.

>>388888473
The only thing I've reliably heard it called is "mixed-mode rendering". When they use both the animated 2D rendering functions, and 3D models on top of it.

>>388871638
>linear minification filter
>nearest maxification

das it mane

>>388892102
why wouldn't you use gl_nearest_mipmap_linear

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>>388891890
>MGS looks downright dirty and poorly maintained.
Especially how they mention they just leave warheads laying around.

>>388860493
Boy I sure am glad games can now have that eye-bleeding polygon parkinson's effect

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Snake's face in MGS1 is perfect

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>>388892918
his face is up there with "maybe you should try getting a job"

>>388891534
I agree. I'm ashamed that I mistakenly posted TS

>>388859547
Why would you filter the textures you fucking retard

>>388866412
What if i still have a working ps2, my copies of silent hill 2 and 3 and a trinitron crt tv? Would that be a good replacement for these pc ports+patches or not? I wanna play silent hill 3 again but my pc is just shit.

>>388893034
>>388892918

You know what pisses me off to this day? You know that black vest with high collar Snake wears in MGS? I thought it was part of the Sneaking suit and was body armor. Turns out, the canon and in-game universe explanation is that it's a vest to keep him warm. That's why he doesn't wear it in 2.

>>388871425
>unfiltered quake 2

unlike 1, the game was not designed for this, as the weapon texture makes obvious

>>388872423
>>388872575
this fucking game is so good and people are just now starting to rediscover it. 2 was relaly good 2 and the random mission generator is unique as fuck

>>388893187
damn. you're right. that collar was the best

>>388893187
well he was in Alaska at night so it makes sense

>>388893305
>>388893343
I thought Naomi also gave him a shot to make him resistant to the cold or was that just for when he had to swim

>>388875538
Damn This is Nice

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My goddamn dick this game is beautiful.

>>388893456
I'll be it was for that swim. That shit must have been cold as hell!

>>388892157
A linear minification filter is superior, unless shimmering is desirable. Ideally textured low-poly stuff would be rendered with true coverage of each solid color texel.

>>388888473
>>388888774
>>388888871
>>388891984

You mean like the Resident Evil games. They are called prerendered backgrounds.

>>388859547
>filtered textures
how to make your game look like blurry shit in one easy step

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Oddworld has KINO background art

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>>388893793

>>388893867
amen

>>388894225
hey asshole you didn't give credit to whoever ripped these backgrounds.

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Someone should post some Megaman Legends if they got it.

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>>388894756

>>388858604
Damn those skys used to make me think of forever.

Witcher had the same effect.

>>388893225
its the same as quake 1
both look great with texture filtering at low resolutions
both look blurry at high resolutions

>>388894063
no

>>388894756
>the smiling teeth right beneath the viewing slot
Holy fuck this is perfect design.

>>388895080
No, it's not the same as quake 1. I wouldn't have fucking typed what I typed if it were the same. Why does every dumb fucking kid here always have something stupid to add?

Quake1 is designed for unfiltered textures
Quake2 is designed for bilinear filtered textures, look at shit like the fucking hand and weapon textures. they are DESIGNED TO BE BLURRED.

>>388893225
The game was is full of non power of 2 textures which would get resized in openGL and degrade visual quality. Half-Life and Quake 1 are the same way so it's clear that "designed" with texture filtering means jack shit.

>>388895537
Well I guess that's why openGL was always the shitty option in half-life isn't it

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>>388895607
as well as quake and quake 2 so fuck off with your "muh design" bullshit
you can boot up either game right now and toggle the setting in a modern client/sourceport and see the difference it makes

>>388895801
doesnt make a difference

hl: designed for filtering
quake2: designed for filtering
quake: released before a bilinear filtering consumer level card was available on the market

stretched textures is an infinitely smaller concern than broken looking weapon models etc which are expected to be filtered by the visual designer

Anyone have the MGS: Peace Walker wireframe/textured model comparisons? Those are some boner-inducing models iirc.

>>388860493
You mean indie devs continuing to plunder the slow moving nostalgia mine for the latest fresh gimmick.

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>>388895964
its amazing how you've managed to say nothing of note except imply that a game is broken in software mode or without texture filtering

>>388896503
except that i specifically didn't say that but whatever you aren't intelligent enough to go back and forth with

ps what you've posted there looks like garbage compared to accelerated version.

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>>388869618
This hurts even more than MGS3 Patchislot machines. Especially when there's SH2 pachislot machine too.

>HIT THE LEVER!!!

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>>388888473
>prerendered backgrounds are now "photographs"

I personally prefer low poly but high Res 3D; doing true 90's early 3D is noble but quickly turns into "is this game stuck at 480p? Oh god it's not and my eyes are already bleeding" mess of blurryness

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I love No One Lives Forever aesthetics. Game can be so comfy

>>388897580
I feel the other way. Low poly with high res textures look like ass.

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>>388897730
Seriously, this game is amazing

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>>388898092

>>388898092
too bad its not fun and the gunplay sucks dick

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>>388898239
texture filtering only stopped looking like shit when detail textures and shaders came around

>>388894823
The fun thing about Legends is that it predates games like Ocarina of Time by almost a year, and yet it had things such as specifically-drawn facial expressions for specific scenes and angles. Mostly notable with Tiesel. Combine that with simple textures for a fake cel-shading look to nail the anime aesthetic. They really used the tech to their advantage for what was a relatively early PS1 game that flew under the radar.

>>388898454
it was on N64 as well, and it wasn't THAT unknown.

It's a prime example of pre- Mario64 & OoT era, clunky game design.

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How do I make Quake 2 pretty?

>>388897757
yesssssss

>>388899214
if you want to play online use r1q2 or q2pro

>>388879723
>>388879891
unity is a fine engine, it's just the easiest to learn and most popular 3D game engine and thus attracts the most shit developers so it gets plenty of flak
>>388899214
with realtime fucking pathtracing
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x19sIltR0qU

>>388899767
>with realtime fucking pathtracing
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x19sIltR0qU [Remove]

uuuuUUUUUUUuuuuuuuuuunnnnhhhhhhhhhh

that was a fat neckbeard orgasm sound

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>>388899214
it already is

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>>388866507

>>388899901
>nutokk!

this thread turned out awesome. good night anons!

>>388899901
where are the strafe jumps

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>>388871149
it looks that shitty by default. you can turn off the filter though

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>>388899973

>>388900040
yeah that weapon texture wasnt designed with the intention of being bilinear filtered by default at all :^) I rest my case on that argument

>>388900101
but it looks better so it doesn't matter

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>>388900098

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>>388900172

>>388900159
this
coating all the environments in vaseline so you can't read any of the text or maps doesn't improve the game

>>388898454
I still enjoy how the original OoT ended up looking though. The grittyness of it makes the atmosphere 10x more brooding than any other Zelda to date(other than MM of course)

>>388900159
no, it doesn't. it looks substantially worse. parts of the environment look better, parts look worse

should be trivial to filter the weapon texture but not the environment btw

>>388900262
filtering doesn't affect text in source ports

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>>388900256

>>388900335
uhm, yes it does sweetie
all of it looks better

I was only two when it came out, but I recently played Unreal and absolutely loved the atmosphere. Such a good soundtrack and such great maps, for such a low amount of polys.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=glnpnifV4Fk
>tfw walking out of the vortex rikers for the first time

>>388899813
it's pretty sick innit? the guy can't even really run it with his titan XP so he has to compromise the image to even get it to run

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>>388900335
>b-b-b-b-but it was DESIGNED TO LOOK LIKE SHIT

>>388900040
I absolutely despise Quake 2's gun models because every fucking time they mapped it in a way to have diagonal texels which is fucking retarded. The levels look amazing without texture filtering but 100000% rest assured the weapons were made to be filtered. Fucking horrid.

>>388858604
what game is this?

>>388900478
i actually don't mind how the weapons look so i really don't understand, but i know if you raise your fov above 90 in yamagiq2 it will hide your fucking weapon so maybe that is worth trying

>>388892694
Yeah, who the fucked wanted that. The right looks much better. Ps1 was epileptic donkey balls to look at in motion because of their z shortcut.

>>388900398
Don't bother posting Half-Life unless you fixed the engine problem where it rescales the shit out of everything

>>388900478
i think most people play quake 2 with gun models turned off for centered projectiles nowadays

>>388900615
teach me how to fix it and i will

>>388900398
Looks aesthetic to me mate.

>>388900398
closeups of individual textures that you glance over have no meaning in the context of a full scene. people used the same argument against rage and it was just as false then

you don't walk up and focus on the keyboard texture during the fucking test chamber sequence, LOL.

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>>388900680
>>388900704
just making sure you are with me i like how that looks and am for removing texture filtering

>>388900795
no, half-life is designed to be played with filtering. out of all the major games, only quake1 and its direct contemporaries are not

maybe argue this against somebody who wasn't there and didn't own a rendition verite and voodoo 1. Everyone wanted to get away from linear textures as much as we possibly could. in historical perspective, it was a bad move for Quake, but for every other game it improved how they look.

>>388873908
>DS game
>emulator

>>388900589
Are you fucking serious, mate?

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>>388900914
i dont play it like that for nostalgia purposes, i think it looks cooler and adds to atmosphere. i strongly favor grit over blur

>>388901031
DS emulators have been a thing for years.

>>388901104
well when youre at 1920x1080 grit looks great

512x384, not so much

>>388901136
My point is why the hell would someone want to play DS games on an emulator?

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>>388855547

half-life / quake 2 were the first generation of games with texture filtering, it's hard to say that you're 'supposed' to use it, q2 has alot of texturing that looks better unfiltered but the artists weren't exactly used to it at that point either

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>>388901191
too bad im at 1920x1080 then

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>>388867494
Illbleed was really fun to watch on youtube, awful to play.

>>388901208
>q2 has alot of texturing that looks better unfiltered

and it has a lot of texturing that looks better filtered, including the player and weapon models, which are the main things you pay attention to in this context

the weapon models are *clearly* not designed for unfiltered because they look worse than quake1's when unfiltered.

RIP paul steed. When I emailed him to tell him the hyperblaster handle was backwards on the world model, he emailed me telling me to go fuck myself. He never fixed it.

>>388901379
Of course he didn't, because you are a cunt. I hope you fucked yourself though.

>>388901195
Why not?
What if I don't have a DS?

>>388887307
Well the background is 3D

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HOW has Katamari not been brought up in this thread

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any love for Descent?

>>388901379
>which are the main things you pay attention to in this context
no i think you're paying attention to the map
which looks like a blurry mess filtered

>>388901195
Maybe if you don't have the hardware but want to play the game? Are you fucking retarded?

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>>388900704
everything looks better unfiltered too though

>>388895801
It looks like the texture was meant to be shrunk down to look more like it has a proper Black Mesa logo

>>388897179
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ffqre27h_0c

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>>388901379
i dont think quake 1 weapons look bad either but i really like how quake 2 weapons look unfiltered much more. the textures roll down the barrels and shit it looks cool. they do the same for quake 1 obviously because weapons are centered but they don't look nearly as cool as the railgun or the grenade launcher

>>388902076
you're saying you think that looks better because you think it gives you some kind of old school credit

im saying i was there and it doesnt

>>388860493
>global collective consciousness
holy shit there's a term for this? Amazing, it feels horrible to see it happen to yourself

>>388902298
but its blurry as fuck by default how would that make sense? what old school credit if it isn't even what they fucking grew up with

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>>388902298
congrats for being there and still having shit taste
i'm glad your 3d accelerator buyer's remorse is still in effect after all these years

>>388902461
wow that looks like utter garbage and is actually missing half the visual effects because it's in software mode. you knew that, right?

Oh, you didn't.

>>388902613
you know you can just turn off filtering in opengl by opening console and typing gl_texturemode gl_nearest

didn't you? oh right, you didn't. nobody likes a smartass stupid nigger

>>388902862
wow i didnt know about gl_texturemode i only knew about it since summer 1996 thanks for telling me

tell me more about these games you've discovered 20 years after i played them new and talked to the people who made them on irc

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>>388902298
Not him, but I already did some testing with OGL vs Software modes over a decade ago, and came to a conclusion that the Bilinear filtering simply rapes all details in the environment. Not to mention Software has WAY better looking water surfaces.

>>388902965
you just said you didn't know about gl_texturemode by claiming it is software even though it is in fact hardware rendered

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>>388902613
damn all those missing effects from software to opengl...
you're totally not a retard

>>388903110
ah that must be why antialiasing is off, because it's in hardware rendering mode

get lost kid

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>>388903152
if only i had glorious opengl to give me diarrhea water

>>388903019
now do the same thing and present the screenshots at 640x480 an appropriate resolution for the time

software at HD resolution has nothing to do with the game in its own time

>>388903281
nice goalposts kiddo
i'm sure you were there back in the day chit chatting with gabe newell like best buds

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>>388903191
you have clearly lost this pissing content little man, drink some more sodie and then try again

>>388860493
>>388902357
It's called the zeitgeist.

>>388903347
ah so software at hd resolution looks the same as software at sd resolution, got it

or actually in reality you can't make out all those little details because they're smashed together

>>388900282
I'm not saying OoT was bad, more like it's impressive that Legends managed to accomplish a style akin to cel-shading and with some pretty cool details ahead of its time.

>>388903596
>managed to accomplish a style akin to cel-shading

hey didn't. the game is just flat-shaded and you're hyping that up. it's just good visual design, not a particular accomplishment

>>388879496

>What the fuck is taking up 4GB?

Mostly the modern operating system, I'd imagine. How much is the game actually using?