Name a flaw

>>388838192
combat is a bit simplistic and doesn't really evolve much past what it is initially

>>388838192
set the bar for metroidvanias too high, nothing will top it

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>>388838192
ADINO!
cute hornet dlc when?

>>388838279

this, also, game breaking glitch where you cant 100% the game because you cant get upgrade mats from arena

>>388838192
It's not rabi-ribi

>>388838192
I wish it had multiple weapons with different movesets.

>>388838626
this 2bh

rabi-ribi is full of GAMEPLAY and hollow knight is your typical style over substance indie game shlock

>>388838450
this

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>>388838192
Atrocious optimisation in parts, eg City of Tears adjacent King's Station.
You don't get to fight The Hunter, come on, really?
Was hoping for more emotion from the last stag and his story.

Very good game I thought

>>388838846
>>388838626
is rabi-ribi really good, or is it just a meme?

>>388838192
runs like shit despite being a rather simple 2d game

t. toaster

Not on PS4

>>388838192
Its boring compared to any other mvania

>>388838192
The core gameplay doesn't progress/evolve as much as other Metroid-esq games as you unlock abilities, I found myself abusing pogojumping (something that you can do right away) and the first magic attack for the majority of the game

That's not necessarily a flaw, just my stinky opinion

>>388838192
Too long

>>388838192
It's a metroidvania

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>>388838984
if you can get past moe loli aesthetics then it's pretty good

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>>388838461
I hope the Hornet DLC won't recycle all the areas, I want new places with new buggies I noticed wasn't in the main game such as Scorpions, ants and maybe the cazador.

>>388838192
Kind of boring

>>388838192
You can't fight Zote when he's dead
I fucked up

>Damage on contact
I love that you can get away with archaic game design at long you slap metroidvania on the game

>>388838192
Backtracking to ancient basin was pretty shitty but they fixed that in the update

>>388838984
I found it fun. Definitely an entertaining cross between bullet hell and exploration platformer. Plenty of obvious fanservice and genre-aware dialogue, if you're into that.

>>388839598
The final boss doesn't have damage on contact.

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>>388839263
what? I've got 29hrs on my 95% playthrough where im only missing the colosseum and a few upgrades? if you are bad and don't go for the good ending then it can be done in a few hours?

>>388838984
It's really good

No weapon variety.

>>388838192
Getting around lategame is a pain. Hiking back and forth across trivial enemies isn't fun.

Still a great game.

>>388839485
same, i was hoping for more of the hive zone as well with >3 enemies

tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooong

>>388838984
It's really good if you can handle all the anime moe stuff.

>>388838531
not being able to 100% is not gamebreaking

>>388838192
Combat isn't really all that exciting and running back and forth the map looking for a new spot to unlock also gets a bit old unless you're into that kinda stuff.

>>388839970
>and running back and forth the map looking for a new spot to unlock also gets a bit old unless you're into that kinda stuff

Well yeah that's kind of what you do in metroidvanias.

>>388839970
You should've talked to the elder bug more, its half the reason for his existence in the first half of the game

it got viralled here pretty hard

It's boring.

/thread

>>388839485
Given that it's paid, and will most likely reuse many assets(meaning that most of the work will be just the map design), it may be very long

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post kino music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KkVwuWH-woA

Shitty art

>>388840247
Best boss music

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EbDkU65pJNQ

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>>388838192
Thanks for reminding me to uninstall this garbage OP.

>>388840027
Good ones have fast travel and shortcuts as you get later in the game.

>>388840158
you can't /thread your own post faggot

>>388838192
I really dislike the art. It's put me off getting the game.

Tha art is shitty?
I kinda like it

>>388840437
this game does have fast travel and shortcuts

>>388840437
it does? it has 2 systems of fast travel that open up after the greenway?
you didnt even play the game did you anon

>>388840437
The game has both of these, have you even played it for more than 5 minutes?

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>>388838192
There's just something about it that's boring.

Music is pleasant, to be sure, but I don't know why people jerk themselves over it.

My biggest gripe with it holds over from Metroid, which is the whole "you can't go to ALL THESE FUCKING PLACES until you beat these bosses for upgrades". I'd like a game where your progression and traversing abilities are only limited to skill mastery. If going anywhere means having to beat a fuckhard boss right away then go ahead, I like a challenge.

>>388840493
>>388840249

Can you guys explain why? No troll, I just enjoyed it and don't see what's off-putting

>>388838192
It had no replay-ability for me so I can't play it again to see the new added content.

>>388838987
90% of indie games in a nutshell
(Game is still great, though)

>>388840437
>>388840658
I know. I think they're too broadly-spaced. It's not a fatal flaw, as I said, just an annoyance.

>>388840870
I mean it's kinda bad since it prevented me from completing it
I couldn't get past the second Hornet fight because the snow particles in that region gave me like half a second of input lag and that fight got too frustrating with that
I installed the game on a friend's PC 4 months later and beat her within 5 tries though, I'd probably start over from the beginning once I get rid of my toaster

>>388840716
Same for me. Probably just not my sort of game, but it didn't capture me at all and I felt like I was forcing myself to play over the ten or so hours I spent on it.

it's boring

The artstyle.

>>388838192
i guess it was bretty good, didn't feel like 100%ing it though

>>388838192
Terrible KB+M controls
Fuck using a controller on my PC

>>388839904
Missing a charm notch and not being able to upgrade your weapon to the final level is pretty fucking shit I'll tell you that for free

>>388841907
kys you fucking dumbfuck

>>388838984
A meme that would have never gotten popular if it wasn't for the artstyle.

I remember difficulty, tediousness of exploration and how certain movements were performed as main issues, I also remember playing it for 4 hours always thinking it would get good at some point and that just not happening at any point.

And before retardation begins, I don't mean "difficulty" as an issue because it's "too hard", on the other hand I felt it was WAY too damn easy unless you got caught off-guard the first time a boss does an attack, since they aren't intuitive at all

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I'm not one for your standard /v/ conspiracy theories, but I'm skeptical of these threads. There seems to be multiple ones every single day, with the same little blurb "Name a flaw", "Is it GOTY?", etc.

Are these all just one person posting the same thread over and over again? Is it someone with a relation to the developers that are trying to keep Hollow Knight relevant on /v/? I personally loved the game, but come on - it's a bit much at this point.

>>388839651
This is even worse, the final boss not using a mechanic that the rest of the game uses is stupid

>>388841907
there's a big screen that says USE OF A CONTROLLER IS HIGHLY RECOMMENDED

it's like playing with a DDR mat and claiming that the bad controls are game design flaw....

>>388842003
its just standard bait thread phrasing

it happens on other boards too

There's a few bugs here and there.

>>388841995
Fantastic rebuttal

>>388842108
It's nothing like that at all, there is no reason why they couldn't have programmed a good keyboard control scheme, it would not have been hard, I can think of a good one off the top of my fucking head
Just putting a screen that says "Your native control scheme is going to be shit because we were lazy" does not excuse that bullshit

Feels like Ori and the blind forest's little brother

>>388842161
thanks :)

>>388842383
Ori and the blind forest's biggest problem was how shallow it was.

You beat the game without hardly even noticing what you were doing.

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>>388838192

Completely lacking in good bosses. Even the optional 'dream' bosses are very basic. A shame, but otherwise it's a great game.

>>388842383
It feels nothing like OatBF, Ori heavily emphasised mobility to an insane degree, Hollow Knight balances Mobility and Combat like more classed Metroidvania's

>>388838192
It's hollow.

>>388842563
That's unture, a lot of the bosses are fun.

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>>388838192
Map feels far too huge for no reason making traveling a bore. I mean, sections of the maps are far too wide or huge, and it's filled with nothingness most of the time.
Health system is too forgiving.
Too many enemies are too vulnerable to the jump attack downward and can't really retaliate.
Most boss fights are pretty mediocre, some are great though.

Overall it's a decent game, but it could have been far better too.

>>388838846
>your typical style over substance indie game shlock

It may not be innovative, but HK certainly had sufficient gameplay, don't let your dick do all the thinking.

>>388842108
>>388842273
>>388841907

I played through the whole game using the keyboard. I didn’t have any problems not using a controller, although I did rebind every key to use WASD to move.

WASD: up down left right
G: cast/focus
H: attack
J: jump
K: dash
L: ??? don’t remember
V/B: unlocked abilities

>>388842719

For me, a boss is fun when it's difficult. None of the bosses were difficult (except maybe the Radiance sort of).

>>388842791
How did you rebind them?

>>388838984
Rabi Ribi level design is decent, nothing that special but some really nice sections too, regular encounters are trash tier but boss fights are a god gift in boss design other game should take notice off and polish it.

>>388842897
In the options menu, under Controls. Not rocket science.

>>388843114
I tried, it wouldn't let me, I would have enjoyed the game at least twice as much had I been able to rebind them

>>388838192
Performance is terrible for a 2D sidescrolling Metroidvania and it drops frames a lot.

>>388838531
Either your game is an outdated GoG version or you pirated and old version.

PC exclusive

It's boring as fuck. I got through an hour of it and feel no need to come back to it. The gameplay is super basic, the artstyle feels like uninspired 2009 newgrounds-tier work and the sountrack is also mediocre.

>>388838984
See it looks good, but I physically decay when I see moeshit

>>388844004
>the artstyle feels like uninspired 2009 newgrounds-tier work

You must've seen some really good works at NG then, tell me some examples.

>>388838192
at point it can be hard to know what to do/where to go besides just re-looking through the entire fucking map, and the game gives you absolutely no indication of how to get the true ending.

I absolutely loved the game, but i noticed those two flaws. luckily i liked re-exploring everything.

>>388838192
Too easy

>>388838192
I can't get past the artstyle, it looks really ugly.

>>388838192
It's 2D

It was a slog to get the rest of the damn worms. Once I picked up the map and saw the rest my motivation went to shit because having to go through most of the areas isn't very fun after one or two times going through it again. If I had gotten it earlier and it had always been available at the map shop, I would have been way more open to getting it.

A lot of the secret bosses are secret and have no real lore relations that really makes them not important at all. You don't care about them at all and so trying to find them all by combing every part of the areas once you have all the mobility options is just really fucking boring and a slog to go through.

Bosses in general are also really easy. More of them could have been more difficult.

The colosseum of fools was only difficult at the end because of the retarded spike placement rounds. Holy shit it was awful.

Early on I started making tons of money and once I had bought out all the items, there was nothing left for me to really spend it on. Even on the rest of the charms I just ended up with so much money. Having everything open at once would have been best.

It would have been nice for more people to move back to town after meeting them the first time like with the main item seller.

I wish there was an option for current map objectives to appear on the entire map even if you haven't found them (ala blue bugs, the ghosts, essence trees, etc) and to appear only on what you've discovered.

Overall the game was great but there could have been some improvements.

>>388839858
>it can be finished in less than 4 hours easily
millennials

>>388838192
hipster indie dark souls metroidvania

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>>388838192
Honestly, it's just missing a large, varietized arsenal. Ideally on the scale of Castlevania or modded TES/Fallout, but even Super Metroid beams-tier would've been fine.

Otherwise my only hope is that the DLC (allegedly Hornet's) continues the story past the ending, since it wasn't quite fulfilling-enough given all my questions.

>>388838626
If the cuteness and gameplay outweighs the cringe, then I'll give it a shot.
Gotta replace the Denuvo-infested Mania with something until the crack/un-DRM'd version happens.

>>388847739
>It was a slog to get the rest of the damn worms. Once I picked up the map and saw the rest
nigger if you had more than like 5 worms max that you missed by the time you got the map you're a shitter anyways. the map is literally there for shitters like yourself who would otherwise complain that finding worms is too hard if not given the map.

>A lot of the secret bosses are secret
unless you're talking about some bosses i don't even know about they were all ezpz to find.

>Bosses in general are also really easy.
did you go back to the bosses to fight their, whatever, spirit form? that shit wasn't easy for me.

>The colosseum of fools was only difficult at the end because of the retarded spike placement rounds. Holy shit it was awful.
this is just you being a heal baby mad because he has to keep wall jumping and cant stop to heal after every hit.

>It would have been nice for more people to move back to town after meeting them the first time like with the main item seller.
it would have been nice if dirtmouth was a little bigger.

>I wish there was an option for current map objectives to appear on the entire map even if you haven't found them
god no

>>388848696
>Honestly, it's just missing a large, varietized arsenal.

That would have helped the combat a lot honestly. Just some small variety like a big weapon that has better range and does more damage but swings much slower, or a boomerang weapon, just a few things you could switch between mid combat would have been great. The magic system is nice but there's no denying that the combat is vary sparse as is.

>>388839485
>Obshitters are so fucking retarded they think Cazador's are an actual species
Hang yourself

>>388847739
>The colosseum of fools was only difficult at the end because of the retarded spike placement rounds. Holy shit it was awful.

I'll never understand people that had a hard time with the Colosseum of fools, but didn't have a hard time with the dream bosses or the Radiance. Colosseum was easy really.

>>388839660
that's literally too long for a metroidvania game

What was the hardest boss for you ?

Mine was probably the dream version of the broken vessel.

>half a second delay between pressing the jumping button and jumping in a PLATFORMER

uninstalled before finishing the tutorial

>>388850331
>if a game is good and short it's a good game
>if a game is good and long it's a bad game
>30 hrs to 100% a game is too long
>this is the mentality of modern gamers
disgusting.

>>388850739
Literally just beat him this morning before work. Total pain until I equipped the dung defenders charm to keep the orange blobs from stopping my heals.

Now to figure out where to next.

>>388850875
>Total pain until I equipped the dung defenders charm to keep the orange blobs from stopping my heals

This helped a lot yeah.

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>>388838450
>>388838895
i got the game for free by selling pubg crates. I haven't dived into it yet, though. Why should I play it? what did you love about it?

answer me please.

I just hit Soul Sanctum or whatever the fuck, the place with that great organ track. Really enjoying it so far, ever since I got the dash I feel a lot more comfortable with it.

>>388850331
stop

>>388849457
I had gotten most of the worms, I was missing 10 or so. I didn't go back through most of the areas because just thinking about it was awful since I couldn't remember exactly where areas where I had skipped were since I didn't have the required mechanics. And even then, people miss shit and possible hidden areas. I found most of them but going back to get those last 10 just seemed like a chore, a HUGE one at that.

I did fight their spirit forms except for the dung fucker, I didn't want to go back through that area. I beat the rest though and they weren't too difficult.

>>388850331
La Mulana is even longer.

>>388838461
>tfw instantly fall for that qt
>tfw no romance option because I'm a sexless construct who cannot feel emotion

H-hold me knightbros

>>388851647
>I didn't go back through most of the areas because just thinking about it was awful since I couldn't remember exactly where areas where I had skipped were since I didn't have the required mechanics
well, it's a metroidvania m8. if you don't like it then you don't like a major aspect of the genre.

>I did fight their spirit forms except for the dung fucker, I didn't want to go back through that area
i don't remember but can't you get back there by going through the vertical shaft that served as the exit the first time you went through the area? i think it takes you directly to him, or at least dam closer than if you went back through starting from the sewer side.

>>388851176
Interesting world, nice artstyle, great atmosphere, fairly simple but still satisfying gameplay, nice sense of metroidvania progression and steadily powering up over time, plenty of enemy/area variance

>>388842148
underrated pun.

I fukd ur mum m8

>>388842383
Ori was a steaming pile of shit with an insulting story, abysmal art direction and little to no gameplay. Literally only stands on top of Bash wich is a great but underexplored mechanic.

>>388853256
>plenty of enemy variance
probably the best thing about the game. tired of metroidvanias having 10 enemies with 3 recolors.

It's not on the Switch yet.

>>388838450
Nah

>>388838192
The art style does absolutely nothing for me. Graphics like these will always make me think "Flash game." I'm also not a fan of "hack n' slash" metroidvanias. Prefer the shooter variety, of which there aren't many in relation to the hack n' slashers.

>>388838192
>enemies have attack animations and hit frames but still do contact damage
not really a flaw but a real minor inconvenience

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>indie shit
Found it.

>finish all the laborious trekking around the very bottom of the map for the true ending
>patch literally 3 days later that adds a stag station down there
STOP

>>388854232
At least now you get Ms. Fatbitch to yourself.

>>388854275
>sucking Activision and EA's dicks
please an hero right now

>>388838192
The guy doing the " voices".

>>388838192
There's no sequel yet

>>388850739
Failed Champion was absolute hell. I only beat him the first time with a meme Lifeblood setup.
Aside from him, only Radiance gave me any real trouble.

>>388838626
Fuck off with your pedo shit.

>>388838192
>Name a flaw

The biggest flaw is that a lot of people like it and I have the vast majority of my identity wrapped up in my addiction to shitposting.

>>388853704
>Best mobility platformer in years
>Pile of shit
Looks like someone has no skills
Flying through areas of that game with all the powers unlocked was so fucking satisfying if you had any ability to control it properly

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>>388838192
Collision damage.

>>388854275
Yeah my dude, all those AAA developers that /v/ used to like are really pumping out quality!

>Blizzard
oh wait
>Bethesda
oh wait
>Valve
OH

WAIT


...

>>388855218

Self actualization of /v/ in a single post

Genuine complaints:

Default hit-stun is way too much especially where you get double-tapped into pits.

Pit respawn points are mostly fine but sometimes they do very weird things and you get spawned half a screen away.

Having every enemy doing damage upon contact manifests as more of an outdated mechanic than actually being a fair part of the combat. Bosses and huge enemies swing their big weapons around but they do the same damage swinging a literal club at you as you lightly brushing next to them.

This is particularly annoying when enemies hurt you, fly directly inside your hitbox where you can no longer attack them, then you get damaged again because they touched you. Combined with the above points it makes combat a chore sometimes, because it's tight and solid yet any sort of flow is easily broken apart by cheap shots.

Some parts of the game are just not tested, or if they are intentional then they're just artificial difficulty. A specific example is at the Kingdom's Edge where you have to avoid a jumping enemy on a room full of spikes - if you hit the spikes you re-appear at the set point, the enemy then homes on to that point whilst you re-spawn, then the moment your i-frames wear off and you appear it damages you and sends you into spikes, causing a silly loop - said room is also really hard to get out of.

Lots of redundant or boring charms, or the fun ones are too expensive on notches to be worth using over something else.

Otherwise it's a fucking dope as fuck game and it does exploration, it's main theme, super goddamn well. Can't recommend it enough.

>>388855635
Can someone explain why this is a bad concept? I felt like it works well in the 2d environment because it prevents you from just dashing everywhere. You actually have to worry about positioning relative to the boss.

>>388855739
>not exclusively playing sony aaa titles
it's like you're not even 4theplayers my dude.

>>388855943
>Lots of redundant or boring charms, or the fun ones are too expensive on notches to be worth using over something else.
only valid complaint in your post.

>>388855964
Because it means that there's no reason for the bosses to position themselves in any clever way and they can hit your just by moving
The ones that can teleport are especially egregious

Was anyone else pissed off by the fact that a successful hit pushes you back? I feel like it fucks with the ability to position yourself perfectly

>>388856585
>it means that there's no reason for the bosses to position themselves in any clever way and they can hit your just by moving
this seems contradictory to me
>boss can hit you just by moving
>therefore their positioning doesn't matter and can't be clever

>The ones that can teleport are especially egregious
i can kind of see the point here but still.

>>388856673
it is annoying, just like not having the ability to 1 shot everything is annoying. it "fucking with the ability to position yourself perfectly" is the point and makes the combat more strategic so you can't just spam attack on enemies and it forces you to move after almost every hit.

>>388838953
what do you mean by optimization?

>>388839598
>game mechanic is automatically bad because it was used by older games

>>388856673
you can buy a perk to get rid of that as soon as you get the dash

>>388839904
It is when they lock an ending behind it

>>388838192
Is Moogy-denka right about Hollow Knight?

http://www.twitlonger.com/show/n_1spsblb

>2/10:
> Hollow Knight - Boring and monotonous, with oversized screens that offer no meaningful challenge on a micro level. Blindly copies Souls games in all the most annoying ways. Confused, oversaturated visual design that draws the player's eyes everywhere except where they should be looking. This has nothing to offer over any other ~indievania~, so set your sights elsewhere.

>>388858561
I pretty much agree, but only because I dislike the entire genre.

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it's not knack

>>388838192
indieshit

>>388858491
Why would I EVER waste charm slots on that useless thing, I was already down one due to the fucking arena bug

>>388838192
Still not cute waifu dlc

>>388849867
Of course U know it's a Tarantula hawk you stupid nigger, however Fallout New Vegas is the reason why everyone in the world knows they exist and how horrifying their sting is.

indieshit

>>388859030
I don't get this meme, it's a fucking bug with a mask on that talks like a pretentious shitbag

>>388838192
It loves itself way too much and ends up falling in the traps that can harm a metroidvania, backtracking is a problem even with the Stag stations, it overdid the secrets in the game and combat lacks depth

>>388838279
>implying you don't get abilities over the course of the game that augment your combat

Boring

Moogy said it's garbage so I never played it.