>the Great Plateau area in BOTW is going to be used at game

>while also educating them that if your game looks like shit, makes sure then that it runs at a good framerate then and rather develop for a better console such as the Playstation or the PC

kys op

>>388830483
>>388830540
butthurt autists who know nothing about game design spotted. it's probably already happening

>>388830957
kys yesterday. kys with your switch, nintendiaper.

>>388831074
kek there's nothing you can do about it cuck.

>>388831208
I know. thats why I suggest you kys.

>>388831313
>>388831074
>>388830540

>bumping the fucking thread of this NINTODDLER

you are fucking cancer, learn how to use sage you newfaggot

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>>388831313

>>388830082
The absolute sad part is, games have been doing this looooooooooong before Breath of the Wild did this. Even with Breath of the Wild, the limiting factor is the paraglider. You physically can't continue without it, the the exception of jumping from one unique spot.
And then there's the fact they literally give majority of your core abilities within the first few hours of gameplay--what does the player have to look for the rest of the game
Enemy scaling is also a debatable mechanic.

Yeah no, don't act like BotW is like some godsend of gameplay design. They do a lot of things right, but then they do some things wrong.

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I honestly thought Breath of the Wild's tutorial was the single worst tutorial segment that I've ever had to suffer through. It's my game of the year but that tutorial is dogshit. Fanboyism is going too far.

>>388832179
You
1) have not played enough video games
or
2) are shitposting

>>388831968
It's already happening you butthurt retard. Game design schools will be using this game as a model for future game developers

>>388831968
>And then there's the fact they literally give majority of your core abilities within the first few hours of gameplay--what does the player have to look for the rest of the game
Absolutely false though.
Throughout the game you gain
>The ability to climb up waterfalls
>The ability to attack in the water
>The ability to not be hurt by lightning strikes
>The ability to traverse death mountain without lighting on fire
>Go incognito as a woman
>Walk faster in the sand and snow
>Climb better
>The 4 champion abilities which are massively impactful
>Progressively get better horses
>Take more hits (Both from armor progression and health progression)
>Run farther
>Hold more weapons
>Track objects
>Track shrines
>Complete the map
>Get player housing
>Start a fucking town
>Shitloads of other armor to get
>The soft progression of getting more powerful weapons on average as time goes on
That's just off the top of my head.

>>388830082
I have to agree, it's a nice and basic explanation of all the main features of BOTW. Here's hoping more open world games learn from this.

>>388832634
samefag. kys

>>388831968
What the fuck don't you understand about "organic"?

The glider is there to limit you from skipping the tutorial, but at the same time you get a huge area to explore, so it still feels great. You get the first four shrines to complete just so you can learn the basic mechanics, only after that the game teaches you some deeper stuff, when you're set freely into the world.

>>388831968
wow so many games for years have done everything botw has done and better. wow. its a fact. just play old games not botw. you like sandbox? play gta3. you like spreading fire? play minecraft. you liek physics puzzles? play half life. all these games do everything botw did years ago !

>>388832551
>Game design schools
Oh boy, the schools that produce the grunts for the industry.
Actual lead game designers dont fucking go to "game design school" you retard.

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>>388830082
>game design schools

>>388832551
>Game design schools

Okay, stop right there.

Most game design schools or programs are scams. Naturally, they would pick popular game X as an example instead of games that were doing it years before.

>>388832656
Grow up, kid.

>>388832797
>>388832857
WE WUZ GAME DESIGNERS N SHIET

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>>388832781
no please stop

>>388832797
>>388832857
WE

>>388832797

Kill yourself Tarantino cuck

>>388832797
>>388832857
WUZ

>>388832781
So you are saying i need to play 50 diferent games to get the same experience this single game can offer?

>>388832797
>>388832857
GAME

>>388832586
You know what he means.
Only the first two of those are active abilities which have a minor role.
He's right that you get all your core abilities by the plateau but it's not a bad thing like he's making out to be

>>388832797
>>388832857
DESIGNERS

>>388832586
Most of those abilities only make the game inherently easier. Instead of forcing the player to brave the elements and use their environment to their advantage, you're making it easier to bypass majority of the game.

>>388833120
you can download far cry for free on pc my dude XD! Its the same experiwnce as botw! it has spreading fire and enemy camps and everything

>>388830082

how are game design schools even legal

every employer will take one look at the resume and toss it right into the shredder

>>388833296
It's an adventure game, not a survival one.

>>388833262
Same fag

>ITT, game design students who desperately try to justify for themselves that their education is worth something

Should have gone STEM.

>>388833496
every post in this thread is me

Instead of wasting your time and money on a game design school, consider learning one of the actual elements that contribute to game creation and which can be used outside of videogames as a backup should your career in that field fail.

These elements include:

>Project management
>Controlling
>Writing
>Coding
>Acting (moCap and voice acting)
>Drawing/Painting/3D modelling
>Music
>Marketing and advertising

>>388833597

STEM is too hard for idea guys

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Post yfw /v/ will always be butthurt about BotW

>>388830082
>being this delusional

>>388833661
>be programmer
>make a bunch of demos
>never fully realize them because you dont get writing

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>>388833661
Pretty much what I was thinking.
As far as major studios go, no one develops a game top-down. You usually specialize in one thing or another and you simply pass it down to the next person. Unless you LOVE programming, modeling and rigging is usually the more approachable aspects. Just about everything else, normies can usually do.
>Imagine someone who actually hates video games
>Being a project manager for a game company

>>388832797
>>388832857
college dropouts spotted

>>388833415
first far cry doesnt have fire mechanics
to be fair, the two first far cry doesnt even have open world

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>>388833731

>>388834050
More like I learned versatile skills that I can use for any company.
If I wanted to, I could work at a game company as their IT and networking, which I can take to virtually any company.
Not many 'game designers' in retail or web development.

>>388834056
just play vampire the masqurade, my man. it has everything botw has and you can get it for free on PC. you can even mod it to have better graphics

>>388832179
Major shitposting. Its the best part of the game next to Eventide Island and Trial of the Sword.

>>388834312
Haha wut? VtmB is a great game but it's nothing like BotW.

>>388834312
ratter play e.y.e than some shity stealth game

>>388834393
>>388834431
its just one of the best games ever. but i dont expect nintenbabbies to know this. like I could just play eternal torment and get an experience simillar but better than BOTW

>>388832405
>baiting this hard

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>>388834546

>>388834036
>baiting this hard
which university pays you min wage to shill for them?

Not to mention, good gameplay design is subjective. What may be construed as good gameplay and mechanics might be considered terrible by industry standards. Probably most game design revolves around overcoming limitations. Even a PC will start chugging along if you don't factor in limitations.

>>388834554
>not even baiting this hard

>>388832179
I envy you I wish I stopped playing games in 2007 to pick them up 2017 again like you did.

>>388834640
heh, no argument? i actually expected that. listen, my man. botw is a babby game for kids with no experience with actual good games. if thats what it takes to please you, youll enjoy anytbing. theyre afe real actual good games for free on PC, yet you guys cant stop talking about your console exclusive with shit baby hardware that is supposedly the best game ever perfect 11/10 according to you kids.

>>388831968
It's definitely the best tutorial stage for an open world game, though. All of Bethesda's are just linear dungeons to show off the combat, but it's not really honest about how the game will play out for the next of the game.

BOTW is the only game I've seen where the freedom of open is still around as the game teaches you how the game works.

>>388830957
>probably already happening

almost there
http://cedec.cesa.or.jp/2017/session/GD/s59007c6395fd6/
it's a matter of time before schools teach it

>>388834648
Alright, have fun with your gaming degree.
I wish you all the luck in the world.

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BOTW a shit

>>388834036
our games company has a number of people who don't play games.
Not even due to time or family constraints, they just don't really like games

>>388834840
With the exception of the invisible walls, Assassin's Creed 2 does this.

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>>388830082
That is good.
More games need to let you learn yourself by giving you a safe spot to experiment with everything instead of infodumping controls and systems to you in the first level.
Makes the tutorial actually fun and easier to remember everything.

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>>388834912
Shouldn't you be hiding in the youtube comments Joseph? If you can't handle leddit you might die if you stay here too long.

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>>388830082
>game dev school

>>388834823
keep seething you autistic fedora cuck. I've beaten plenty of immersive sims myself so if you're going to shitpost at least learn to respect your superiors

>>388832179
Well what's wrong with it?
I know it's normal around here to say 'its just shit' but what's your issue with it?

>>388835023
Not in an organic way then

>>388830082
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iV5MB3q_UOU

The Extra Credit guys were discussing precisely that a couple of months ago.

>>388830082
>game design schools
>there are people that seriously waste their money and time in this

>>388832586
none of this is used for puzzle or challenge designs

>>388835606
>Stupidly long on top of baiting and switching on when the tutorial was going to be done SEVERAL times (Fucking infuriating)
>Shows you a bunch of empty slots for your sheikah slate abilities and you think "Wow, i'm getting a fuckload of these sorts of moves" but in reality 2 slots are taken by bomb and the last slot is taken by camera, it completely killed my excitement going into the game
>One of the reasons BOTW is so fun is that even in the downtime just navigating the world is enjoyable except in the tutorial you don't have glide, or horses, and the game doesn't tell you you can shield surf. So it's just climbing, sprinting with a tiny stamina bar, and walking through this mind numbingly boring tutorial
>I cooked the spicy peppers in the old mans hut into some bullshit before I saw the diary so I had to scour the fucking plateau for more
>I didn't even end up running into the stone talus so I didn't see an interesting fight until way later

>90s/early 2000s
>game "designers" are mostly also game programmers
>Thief, Deus Ex, Ultima Series, Baldurs Gate etc.

>2010s
>game "design" schools
>"cookie clicker is good game design cuz u keep comin back"

Thanks but no thanks.
The position of game designers in itself is a scam on every level.

Games should be made by those who know what's possible with a narrow set of features, pushing the technical limitations of the current time.

Most oh-so-creative indie games aren't even close to that.

>>388836114
Waterfalls are used to access hyrule temple and Divine Beast Vah Ruta
You can use the Gerudo Lightning Helm liberally in Hyrule Castle because it's storming
The armor that keeps you from lighting on fire is super valuable for Rudania
Revalis gale helps you a shitload with the verticality of the divine beasts
Off the top of my head

>>388836169
Pretty sure the king agrees to give you the glider when you clear all 4 shrines right from the off.
I did think the same when it came to the shiekah slots, it was a bit disappointing to get a camera.
The last two aren't the fault of the game or its tutorial.

>>388836313
The only one of those that is essential is the waterfall to vah ruta/zoras domain.
As he said, none of those are linked to design or puzzle challenges and they aren't. Theyre all optional benefits

>>388836313
come on man, they aren't used in puzzles

hookshots and whips and elemental arrows and stuff are, but an object that lets you not die or lets you traverse a particular terrain isn't really what the guy's talking about

>>388836808
>Go clear that Shrine and the glider is yours
>HA! Just kidding faggot, there's 3 more
>Congratulations on getting that all done, but now I have a riddle that isn't hard and serves to just take up more of your time, jackass
Fuck off. It's honestly the worst video game tutorial.

>>388830082
True. It's ridiculous how much superior Nintendo is to other devs now

>>388836934
>>388837139
He's basically asking for something that BOTW had no intent on giving him then. It's not the same formula as OOT, it didn't need a hookshot.

>>388830082

the plateau is both everything that is right and everything that is wrong with botw

>see this shit?
>you'll do this over and over for the rest of the game
>hope you like going underground and play portal: babby edition while you wished you could stay outside and live the amazingly crafted landscape

shrines were a fucking mistake, the first time you do them they are fine, however, having to redo ALL of them in master mode was nothing but a fucking chore

>>388837261
yeah, it's a shitty argument. It's a shame there weren't more items like what you'd expect from other Zeldas, but this game was different enough to do well without them

>>388830082
The great plateau is also the most fun area in BotW by far and where you're introduced to practically everything you'll be doing and seeing for the rest of the game. That's not a good thing.

>>388830082
I dont know what's sadder the fact you honestly believe what you say OP or that such things as game design schools exist

>>388836231
>Games should be made by those who know what's possible with a narrow set of features, pushing the technical limitations of the current time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aVPXKdSEGNQ&t=1s

The fact that BOTW is doing more interesting stuff using 10 year old tech compared to a game like Horizon which was developed for a way more powerful system is honestly embarrassing for me.

>>388837168
So you would want the king to give you all 4 abilities and the glider as soon as you leave the starting cave?
Don't be mad that the king had a little joke at your expense, you do the shrines to learn what the abilities do. Like a proper tutorial

>>388838030
Except Horizon focus more on combat while BOTW focused on exploration and movement so its obvious in which areas the devs spent more time in

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>>388830082
>using the word "organic" as synonyn for metiphorical use of the word "natural"

Anyone that has any knowledge about games is aware of the fact that The Great Plateau is literally an immersive sim.

>>388838030
I played Horizon for the first time at my friends house yesterday and on several occasions Aloy teleported over to enemies to take a hit, and even when that doesn't happen she naturally tethers towards whatever your attacking. Her attacks also have like a full second and a half of delay before the animation actually gets to fucking attacking things. Not to mention it has Dark Souls 2itis. And enemies nowhere near me were consistently getting hits in.
Plus shooting a bow is a cornerstone mechanic of that game, and it uses shit tier stick aiming with no gyro aiming option despite the fact that the DS4 is 100% as capable of it as a WiiU Tablet or Switch Controller.

I can't imagine what possess someone to praise the games combat. The enemies have good movesets. Aloy does NOT.

>hurr botw has the greatest tutorial no game has ever achieved this before

We've really gotten to this point after all these years of intro tutorials no one asked for. Now someone makes a slightly less overt tutorial and it's the pinnacle of game design.

No one ever taught Deus Ex intro in game design did they? They literally told you the objective, asked if you want a sniper rifle, gep gun, or crossbow, and then set you off to complete it however you could manage.

also:
>game dev school

>>388832586
Holy cherry picking batman. You really had to dig deep for those.

>>388836169

ah so you are just a dumb american, got it! LOL

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>>388838856
>tfw too intelligent to beat a game designed for children

>>388839096
using autistic memes won't make you intelligent

>>388830082
no da game sux

>>388832781
kek

>>388832857
Yeah I know right, it's so much more safe to be a freelance indie developer! Who cares if 95% of students who don't drop out and actually do their work are recruited by AAA studios before they even graduate?

At least I won't be making BORING, run of the mill AAA trash! I'll be making boring, run of the mill pixelshit indie games and making no money in the process!

>>388838563
t. Nintenbro

>>388839096
>too intelligent

Lern too spell you retard

It's like none of you have ever even played video games before BoTW.

>games rip off the great plateau design
>all games give you all your skills at the beginning, you never gain new ones and all the puzzles can be completed with the tools at your disposal all the time

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>>388830082
>game design schools

>>388842008
>recruited to be a codecuck
>spend the rest of your life working on water physics on AAA games before your studio is closed down because the game sucked shit and then you move to another dev team to work on water physics on AAA games before your studio is closed down
the real Gods of the industry wouldn't even set foot in a game design school

>game design school
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H47ow4_Cmk0

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>game design schools

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> game design school

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>games design school

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>game design school

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>>388844108
>>388844189
>>388844280
>>388844375
>>388844472
>this blatant samefag

Why are people so ass hurt over BOTW? Didn't play it yet.

>>388830957
I'm probably the best game designer on earth. My intelligence far exceeds the average person.

>>388832586
None of them are core abilities

>>388845675
Same reason there was a lot of asshurt over TLoU.
On top of that you have people who are big Zelda fans, but were extremely disappointed in the game and thought it was horribly flawed, like me.

>>388845675
>Why are people so ass hurt over BOTW?
It's /v/, anything popular is bad and you should hate it.

>>388830082
>open world game has isolated area to teach you basics of game

BotW is so innovative. Never seen that shit before, ever.

Zelda breath of the wild is a tablet game.

>>388845675
/v/ is autistic and can't deal with the fact that botw is the best zelda game

>>388830082
>what is every single GTA 3D game ever made

Fuck off retard Nintendo fag.

>>388845675
Think of it like Star Wars TFA. You have people who eat that shit right up because they're diehard SW fans who will wank over anything SW. And then you have the people who can see past the fluff and superficial garbage to realize just how flawed of a movie it actually is.

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>game design schools

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>>388830082

Everyone is laughing at you Zelda autist.

>>388846397
Literally what? The linear mission modes in GTA games don't offer anything even remotely similar to the Great Plateau. Not saying it's bad, I'm just saying they're totally different approaches to tutorial segments.

>>388846423
Terrible comparison considering BOTW is probably the best Zelda game.

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>>388845675
Can't play the ass hurt card when there are people quite literally getting angry that you disagree with the OP in this thread.

its really fucking not, go look at any introductory classes on programming they give for kids/teenagers, they almost always use minecraft for it because its easy to code shit into the game and its mechanically very easy to navigate and use making it ideal for that purpose.

>>388846423
>this autistic nostalgia faggot making his terrible analogies once again

every single zelda thread

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>>388830082
>organic

>>388830082
An artificially isolated area to teach you how the game works is organic?

That isn't what organic means. If the game can teach you how to play while not putting you in some artificial isolated area but instead just a part of the natural open world would be organic.

>>388846718
You're calling it a terrible comparison based off your opinion that BotW is the best Zelda game? People would consider TFW the best Star Wars film. What's your point?

If you want to try and invalidate it by stating an opinion, then I'll counter that by saying Metacritic disagrees with you.

>>388846835
It's almost like /v/ is more than one person.

>>388833464
>survival isn't an inherent part of adventure

Have you ever left your house?

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>>388845675
Changes too much compared to the other games and didn't deliver on many aspects, like dungeons and items. Most people who like it tend to like all the other openworld games out there and didn't play other Zeldas before it

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>>388830082
I can tell your ass is going to be on fire when Rad Dead 2 drops. EVERYONE will talking it, as well as buying the game en masses.

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the Plateau is the pinnacle of tutorial design
prove me wrong

>>388847148
You are wrong
Prove me wrong

>>388835813
>extra reddits

>>388847148
The plateau is the most fun area in BotW and it's all downhill from there. Prove me wrong.

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>>388847013
>artificial

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>>388847148
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XvSnRc_283A

>>388842269
lurk moar

>>388847036
>If you want to try and invalidate it by stating an opinion, then I'll counter that by saying Metacritic disagrees with you.

Are you saying an aggregate of opinions invalidates an opinion?

>>388847378
>literally cannot without the glider unless you exploit a bug
Yes. Artificial.

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>>388847148
Why should anyone one give you a straight answer when you post gay, fuck boy images?

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>>388847494
Why resist it?

>>388847484
>literally cannot leave without the glider unless you exploit a bug
Goddammit

>>388845484
game design schools were always cool

>>388845675
I hate it when retarded fanboys like you equate even the slightest amount of criticism to "asshurt". You could just take off your consolewar goggles.

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>>388847435
oh the irony

If they're going to base game design off of a Zelda game make it OG Legend of Zelda or MAYBE Ocarina of Time but not BotW

>>388847762
absolutely seething lol

>>388847378
So the Great Plateau isn't an isolated area that exists to teach you the basics of the game?

That also defeats the whole point of what is argued in OP.

>>388845675
They took the fundamental exploration theme of the Zelda series and threw out all the superfluous bullshit that accumulated over the years, making one of the best games of all time. Puzzlefags have teamed up with sonybros in one of the longest temper tantrums /v/ has ever seen.

>>388847379
Not even half as good as the Great Plateau

>>388845675
For me they pulled a Guild wars 2,
Took all the things that made the one ( in zelda case previous entries) fun for me and deleted them.
Doesn't mean it's a bad game but i wouldn't be that disappointed if it didn't have zelda"s name on it

>>388833995
>Be programmer
>Make a bunch of demos
>Never have motivation of flowcharts large enough to make anything but demo projects
>Some faggot on the internet will confuse this with story/writing
This is why you are a shitposter on the Internet, instead of being a shitposter and doing something creative for your job.

>>388848104
Also this. ExporationZelda is pretty great.

>>388847479
No. Just that I'll stoop to their level and beat them with numbers.

>>388847932
the argument that it is a good tutorial?
your counter is that it stops the player from "organically" wasting time?

>>388848690
>because it educates the player on how the game is meant to be played in an organic way
>how the game is meant to be played in an organic way
>played in an organic way
>organic way

>>388847484
you just need to say it's an isolated area. It's a man-made area so ofcourse it is "artificial".

>>388848969
It's more than just isolated. You literally just teleport back up to it if you try and get off before the game wants you to. That's an artificial restriction.

>>388848104
>threw out all the superfluous bullshit
they threw out too much and made up for it with collectible padding

the Divine Beasts also pale in comparison to standard dungeons since they all look and play the same
>activate 5 terminals
>fight boss
>end
open-ended design was a mistake, even Zelda 1 had some constraints on where you could go and what you did first

>>388845675
most likely because people want Zelda and not Skyrim with wacky physics and 900 magical turds to collect.

>>388845484
i wasnt trying to hide it. this thread sucks. Who cares, just post what ever you want. it doesnt matter. 4chan is for shitposting

>>388844472
stop posting this image

>>388848968
you are not making the point you think you are making

>>388849107
every area in the game is artificial because they were designed in a computer by mortal men.

>>388831585
The only reasonable comment ITT.

>>388849497
>the argument that it is a good tutorial?
>because it educates the player on how the game is meant to be played in an organic way
What are you missing here?

Are you saying a popular game may be copied in the future?

Wow OP you blew my mind, everything I believed in was a lie.

>>388849585
Whoa, you're like, blowing my mind here, bro

>>388849140
How to spot a pleb. The Divine Beasts are brilliantly designed dungeons that require some spatial reasoning unlike say the dungeons in Wind Waker.

>>388849140
So you're basically whining about the Divine Beasts being different?

>>388849970
you must be pretty stupid then

>>388849467
thanks for the warning mod bro

>>388850183
I never realized. I thought it was created by like, magic fairies and shit, man.

>>388831313
"cuck"
>I know

based BOTW working /v/ into a shoot

>>388850268
wow, youre a retard.

>>388850037
You could argue the same for the Sandship in SS

why would anyone go to a game design school

just self-study

you only go to school for something if a degree in that thing is going to get you a job, and you don't want to work as a QA tester for EA

there's a reason why these schools exist and it's so that the big AAA studios can get cheap labor by selling you a dream and then fire you a year later when you're burned out from the 100-hour no-OT work weeks you've been doing

>>388850548
But wait, if man created video games, then who created man? Who created the creator of man? This is some deep shit, yo.

>>388830082
Who are you quoting

>>388851075
wow dude. Are you really that stupid?

>>388851391
Enlighten me, oh wise one! I need to know!

>>388830082

>gives you nearly everything at the start of the game
>first 5 hours are pretty much indicative of the entire game
>no story progression
>no item progression

Sure hope not.

JUST

>>388832586
>The ability to climb up waterfalls
>The ability to attack in the water
>The ability to not be hurt by lightning strikes
>The ability to traverse death mountain without lighting on fire
Not an ability
>Go incognito as a woman
Not an ability
>Walk faster in the sand and snow
>Climb better
Not an ability
>The 4 champion abilities which are massively impactful
>Progressively get better horses
Not an ability
>Take more hits (Both from armor progression and health progression)
Not an ability
>Run farther
Not an ability
>Hold more weapons
Not an ability
>Track objects
Not an ability
>Track shrines
Not an ability
>Complete the map
Not an ability
>Get player housing
Not an ability
>Start a fucking town
Not an ability
>Shitloads of other armor to get
Not an ability
>The soft progression of getting more powerful weapons on average as time goes on
Not an ability

>>388851642
All of those are literally abilities you sperg. What the fuck is your problem?

>>388832586
>The 4 champion abilities which are massively impactful
The only real abilities on this list, but

>massively impactful
lol
So massively impactful you can easily ignore them the entire game.

>>388851798
Wrong.

>>388851642
>Not an ability
Not an argument

>>388851798

Think you're mistaking "abilities" for "everything I could pull out of my asshole."

>>388851798
Wrong

JUST

>>388852117
Just a fact

>>388830082

I can accept that. The Great Plateau was actually good. The rest of the game, not so much.

>>388830082
Will they also teach people that filling your world with busywork fetch quests and ubisoft collectibles is the recipe for a good game? Because that's a pretty depressing future.

JU▲ST
J▲U▲ST
JUST

>>388852117
My ability is making non-arguments in to arguments.

Yours is sucking dick good.

Nintenbros are easily impressed by a tablet game.

>>388847379
that level doesn't even teach you that you can go behind the map using the white blocks. shit design

>>388852013
>>388852131
>ability: possession of the means or skill to do something. something you're able to do

All of those can be counted as abilities. Fucking hell, you faggots aren't even trying anymore.

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>>388852253
Another reason why Horizon is the true masterpiece.

>Hey link go climb that tower
>Hey link look at that orange shrine over there, go to it and solve the puzzle
>Hey link use your telescope to create waypoints on your map to go find the other shrines
>Link use this paraglider to leave the island

They literally tell you how to do everything on the plateau. How is this "organic"? Because you can either eat spicy food or find a sweater to get to the snowy one and that's the one thing the dude doesn't explicitly tell you how to do?

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>>388852013
>>388852117
>>388852132
retards

>>388852724
Go away sonybro. There are plenty of people who think BotW is mediocre without you lot ndermining everyone.

>>388852724
Both are shit. All that space that isn't highlighted by red is literally just empty space put there for artificial lengthening of the game. I bet the devs even had several meetings about what an optimal ratio of nothing to points of interest should be to hit the intersection of artificial length and player boredom.

>>388852886
Wrong.

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>>388847148
>basic instructions are optional and available anytime from signposts
>lets the player experiment in a safe environment
>has relevance even late into the game
>games starts and ends here

>>388852854
its a man made creation. There is nothing organic about it what so ever. It was created with purposeful barriers and leads you along the narrative that they wrote in the sequences they want you too and this is a fact for every game that ever exists

>>388852854
>Because you can either eat spicy food or find a sweater to get to the snowy one and that's the one thing the dude doesn't explicitly tell you how to do?
The funny thing is this tripped up a lot of people.

>>388831968
>the fact they literally give majority of your core abilities within the first few hours of gameplay--what does the player have to look for the rest of the game
SMB gives the player every core ability in the first world and it is one of the best and most beloved games of all time. Did you ever consider the possibility that you have no idea what you're talking about?

>>388852854
Not to mention that the entire rest of the game is pretty much the same pattern
90% of the game is spent doing
>find tower
>look for shrines

with the rest of the time doing some shit quest for the village to get to the divine beast, all of which are just a smaller version of finding the shrines (in the form of the terminals)
The gameplay in this game is so uninspired

>>388853117
The really sad thing is you think this is an argument.

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>>388830082
>>the Great Plateau area in BOTW is going to be used at game design schools

Only bad ones.

>>388833120
This reminds of of those commercials they used to make for CD collections where the guy is holding like 50 CDs.

>you'd have to buy all these CDs just to get all the hits we packed on Booty Party Ultra Mix

>>388853287
Are there good ones?

>>388852854
There's literally nothing wrong with having an NPC that you have to find give you a couple of hints a few of times through the entirety of a 100 hour game.

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>nintendoodles will defend this extreme hand holding while fighting the final boss of the game.

The game is literally a dumbed down ubisoft clone. Even Far Cry Primal was better.

>>388853396
>Are there good ones?

Probably. It mostly boils down to getting good teachers.

>>388853254
the sad thing is you keep trying to make an argument out of organic/artificial

The game was good until you leave the plateau. Then the repetition sets in and the grinding commences. 6/10 game, I'm glad I emulated it.

Arguing with Nintendo tards is the same as arguing with mad people...

...or children

You get it? Because they are children

>>388852854
there's literally nothing wrong with needing a bit of direction in a game. specially because you can choose the order of said shrines

>>388853520
>Probably
so you dont actually know and are speaking out of your ass?

>>388853420
I still can't believe how shit they made Ganon. They could not have ended the game in a more anti-climactic manner if they tried.

>>388853724
Probably.

>>388848690
>the argument that it is a good tutorial?

That isn't an argument. OP is trying to argue that the Great Plateau teaches people in an organic way. I pointed out how there was nothing organic about it. Are you incapable of reading?

>"organic"

is this the new "sustainable"?

>>388853702
You honestly sound like a 12 year old.

>>388853836
Stay butthurt zilch

>>388853819
Do you go to the grocery store?

>>388853819
The word has been used to descibe games since immersive sims became a thing in the late 90s you underage faggot.

>>388853624
If you, for whatever reason, can't understand what everyone means by organic and artificial, take it up with the OP.

>>388854005
Stay butthurt knob

>>388854060
no they havent, kid. Im old enough to probably be your dad and I have not once heard organic as a away to describe a game before this current generation.

>>388854216
>no u
Exdee

>>388853720
wowoo you can choose the order of the incredibly bland shrines that no one likes doing? What a revolution in video game design. Such a masterpiece. I don't think any game prior has let you choose the order that you do things in. Especially not without telling you exactly where to go, but leaving out the oder in which to do it. Truly ahead of its time.

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>>388833731

>>388854245
Old you may be, but smart you are not.

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>all this autism over the word "organic"

holy shit based OP working autists into a shoot

>>388832797
Game Schools are a meme for preppy kiddos. Their parents will willingly pay 6000 bucks + taxes to get rid of their LoL hikikomori player for each year and then send them out.
Kinda useless though, since a normal designer with a good portfolio will fuck them up in the arse.

>>388854349
WORKED

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Link's butt is cute!
CUTE!

>>388852707
well fuck you forgot quite a few then
>ability to enter water divine guardian
>ability to enter fire divinte guardian
>ability to enter sky divine guardian
>ability to enter desert divine guardian
>ability to pull out the master sword
>ability to have more stamina
>ability to have even more stamina
>ability to survive more hits
>ability to survive even more hits
>ability to trade gems for more money than in the store
>ability to fire different kinds of arrows

man there are just so many abilities in this game the possibilities are endless

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>>388830082
>game design degree

people are STILL falling for this frivolous shit?

>>388831968
You can actually get down without the glider just fine. They put kill walls if you go too far. Pretty disappointing

>>388852707
>run into giant invisible walls with a prompt saying you can't go any further
>cheese the hell out of enemies
>spam hearty foods to trivialize combat
>fight the same enemies over and over and over again
>actually fuck combat altogether, there's no point to it at all, I'll just avoid them
>leave my horse everywhere because it's useless
>collect a shitload of wood and fetch a shitload of people to start a fucking town
>enjoy the non-existent music and horrible VA
>seriously, you can listen to the worst music in all of Zelda, aside from Hyrule Castle
>slip in the rain
>see badass dragons
>realize said badass dragons only exist to farm shit off them in the most tedious way possible
>dick around in menus for way too long far too often
>sit in my useless house that is little more than wasted potential
>play god awful minigames nobody in their right mind enjoys
>cheese the only decent dungeon in the entire game
>fight the most anti-climactic boss in all of Zelda
>proceed to get kicked in the nuts by an even shittier ending scene
I suppose these are all abilities, too.

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>>388833731

Its so funny watching people getting so worked up about this game. It was a blast. These guys are fucked.

BReath of the wild is BAD. OKAY? ITS BAD BAD BAD BAD BAD. BAD GAME BEING BAD. GET. IT. THROUGH. YOUR. SKULLS. there is nothing good about it. nothing, nil, nix, nada, null, aught, cipher, cypher, goose egg, naught, zero, zilch, zip, zippo

>>388856614
If pressing up on your analog stick for 80/100 hours is what you consider a blast i guess

>>388856441
>launch yourself into a very specific location with stasis in order to leave without the glider
Don't try to pretend Nintendo wanted anyone to do that.

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holy shit the amount of butthurt is staggering

>in an organic way
what the fuck does that actually fucking mean though

>>388857042
I wonder waht that smells like, haha

>>388856989
>specific location

it's a bigass lake dude, nothing specific about that

They should have made the plateau much higher or something instead of putting invisible kill boundaries

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I have a question. After the Great Plateau, what are some cases where you used a log as a bridge to cross over to places instead of gliding over everything?

>>388857149
Let it go, bro. Let it go.

>>388857236
Never. A lot of the neat moments on the plateau you never have to do or see again.

>>388857236
There's probably a few rivers where you can do that but it's useless because you can also just glide or swim

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>>388856090
>>388856562
>getting that worked over semantics

>>388858524
>I was just pretending to be retarded

>>388857042
ok

>>388858741
You certainly were. for your sake

>>388847112

>Most people who like it tend to like all the other openworld games out there and didn't play other Zeldas before it

Where do you faggots come up with these fucking comments. What do you even base this on?

>game design schools

retard

>>388858524
>tear a shitty argument apart
>it was just semantics!
Is that the best you've got?

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>>388844189
>>388844280
>>388844375
>>388844472
>All one minute apart
hmmm, really tingles my neurons

>>388832179
Nah, not having the glider is amazing.

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>>388830082
How much mileage can we get out of a single picture?

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>>388856090
>>388856562

>>388859506
I'm sorry but I wasn't even making an argument. I was just making fun of you for being such a bellend.

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>>388859990

>>388832179
Bullshit.

>>388833415
But I want a third person combat adventure game with challenging puzzles, limitless environments, and a known and relatable IP that I can discuss with friends.

>>388860462
>>388860589
>I have no rebuttal so I'll just fling shit instead
Good stuff

>>388861237
keep getting worked autist

>>388830082
Game design schools will never actually impart any knowledge in terms of quality game design because the people teaching will have never made a good game themselves.

>>388862512
keep trying to deny you got btfo faggot

>>388833120
That's exactly what he's saying. And this is why BOTW is the greatest game of this generation.

>>388862760
>video games are made by teams of up to 1000+ people
>not a single one of these teaches any lessons at a game design school

>>388864363
Some numale codemonkey/minor art role doesn't speak from authority on this matter.

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>>388830082
Why do game devs think they are superior by using words like "organic" game design? They sound like that Phil Fish guy, the ones who can

>design tons of gameplay elements to show in tutorial-like natural manner
>never use them again for the rest of the game
>PARAGLIDER!

>>388864847
if theyve worked on a video game, any video game, they have all the authority and you have none.

>>388865856
>never use them again for the rest of the game
This was one of my biggest issues with the game. Shit like chopping down a tree to cross a busted bridge or a bottomlesss ravine is exclusive to the plateau.

>>388866116
Having a modicum more than nothing hardly makes one an authority.

>>388863282
SEETHING

>388866280
>having more than nothing doesnt give you something
T.(You)

>>388866204
Not true. You need to chop down a tree to get into a cave with a shrine in the Hebra region

>>388866541
>need

>>388866463
>having a tiny amount of experience makes you a valuable authority at all
Too dumb to see anything nuanced?

>>388866716
Was there another way? That's the way I did it.

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I though BOTW was p ok

>>388830082
>game design schools
what kind of retard falls for this meme? /v/ could design a better game than the idiotic graduates

>>388868074
i will make you proud papa

>388866826
if they have a job, theyre getting experience. If theyre working theyre working. How about you?

>>388867019
Apparently there was.

>>388868307
Learn game design from the guy who modeled Master Chief's left testicle and animated two of the guns in Halo 7.