Remember when everyone was so excited about dead space? What

>>388798292
What is there to talk about?

>>388798292
>No one talks about it anymore.
The game is 8 years old

average game

>>388798364
>>388798469

Where's the love for this game? Where's the dedicated fanbase or lingering praise/longing for the game?

>>388798292
the third game was utter trash. another good IP killed off. first game was great and i really enjoyed the second one.

>>388798549
Have you never seen the "meanwhile on the ishimura" threads?

Proper setup is

Line Gun - Force Gun - Pulse Rifle

Plasma Cutter is a decent weapon, but does almost nothing better than other weapons, so is only useful if you're not carrying around many weapons. Not worth it IMO.

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First two were awesome, as shotty as the MP was it was really really fun. Then they ahut down servers and killed it by making 3. Just let her rest now it still hurts.

>>388798556
What do you mean killed off? I loved the second game myself, I thought it was great an a lot of fun with lots of satisfying moments. Honestly and without mememing, I also found that eye scene to be so satisfying, there was something nice about how it went in and came out so smoothly that I really enjoyed.

>>388798663
No, never... What are they about?

>>388798549
Like the other anon mentioned, it lives on with the "Meanwhile on the Ishimura" thread. Furthermore the shitty 3rd game killed what the 1st and 2nd game built up.

>>388798292
I just finished the 1st game, how are the sequels?

>>388798795
people LARPing that they're on the ishimura

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Would you consider Dead Space 1 a modern classic?

>>388798824
Two is better than one in every way besides atmosphere and no one played three.

>>388798824
2 is fun and multiplayer was fun, 3 seemed uninteresting

>>388798876
and dying? Kek

>>388798824
2 is great
3 is okay, but the ending is DLC, which is also okay, but the DLC's ending is complete crap

>>388798798
What are the staples of the threads?

>Vent dwellers are assholes
>The Marker makes waifus real
>Dave is the only one who actually recognises the Necromorph threat
>Security is nowhere to be found
>Medical are stuck up assholes
>Engineers are sick of everyone's shit

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>>388798292
You are a special kind of retard OP.

>>388798885
Yes

>>388798663
Been on /v/ for 8 years and have seen that like once.

>>388798886
>no one played three.
I played 3. It was an action shitfest. I played coop with a friend and it was fun but also quite awful. The gun making/combining whatever mechanic was so boring and slow and too annoying to maintain.

>>388798292
You are either unlucky or new, /v/ has plenty of dead space threads even though the 3rd installment was shit and the other two games are old. They're usually some of the best threads on this board, too.

>>388798947
?

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He didn't deserve it.

>>388798824
>>388798890
3 had weapon customisation, which was really fun, but also very unbalanced. It also took away the kind of damage and hitstun tuning that comes with having a fixed set of weapons.

>>388799039
I've only been around for 3 years or so, I don't remember any dead space threads so I really don't know what's going on

>>388798926
there's also people dicking around in hydroponics and a lot of MUH UNITY fags screaming and drinking the kool-aid.

the zero gravity sections of the 2nd game were amazing

Game's good but it's been around forever now. It occasionally crops up in horror threads, usually when the discussion veers towards action horror in some form or fashion, but really it's just that it's almost a decade old now.

>>388799205
they were boring in the third

>>388798749
third game was trash that no one liked. it killed the momentum of the series. you fight generic dudes for the first 2 hours instead of it being even a smidge of horror like the first two. and it had dumb co op. I LOVE the first game dont get me wrong but 3 was utter trash.

contact beam best gun

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>>388799272
>Third game
>Oh you know that girl you risked your life to save, who in turn did the same for you? Yeah, you two broke up, and now she's with Chad McDouchebag

DS2>DS1 >>>>DS3

>>388799372
>Chad
That guy was a faggot. She kept telling you to go easy on him despite him threatening you the whole game and then finally when he tries to kill you you save your skin and kill him and she's mad at you. I didn't fucking get it.

>>388799272
This, and the story was horrible too, with an "ending" that was dlc. Basically the RE5/RE6 of Dead Space except much much worse.

>>388799423
Dark souls 3 was the best dark souls game.

>>388799450
Gotta push the Punished Issac image so you can come back like a messiah and save everyone like the MC you are.

>>388799503
>dissing RE5

>>388799423

I find it ironic how the best part of Dead Space 2 was when you get back on the Ishimura. That whole chapter was nothing short of brilliant IMO.

>>388799423
DS1 = DS2 >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> DS3

Can someone explain Dead Space to me? I played all three but I didn't exactly understand the markers and that stupid religion

>>388799719
5 wasn't scary at all and the story sucked. I still finished it around 5 times

>>388799870
Magical space science shit

>>388799917
But the aliens you're fighting turn out to not be bad guys but another civilisation trying to destroy aliens right? Was it Some sort of parasite or something? I just dont get it

>>388798292
>What happened to that?
Dead Space 3 happened.

>>388798292
>What happened to that?
Where the fuck have you been?

>>388798292

DS3 turned out to encapsulate just about every negative stereotype that people were dissing on it with before release. It got shit on by Western AAA bullshit, trying to make it some kinda co-op action game.

>>388798885
Yes

>>388800005
missed the get boi

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Reminder that 2 is the best entry in the series!

>>388799914
Yeah I agree it wasn't scary, but the story was goofy shit played completely straight like RE had always been. I too, played it a bunch of times. Good combat is good combat.

>>388799839
This. DS1 had the creepy atmosphere down pat during the quiet bits, but DS2 had more varied environments and improved combat. They're both good, in slightly different directions.

>>388799091
Was I supposed to not like him? It feels like the game is trying to make you sympathize with Kendra and doubt Hammond despite him being the most qualified to deal with the situation and always being honest with you.

>>388800427
It is one of the best coop games ever made.

>>388800418
wew

Instead of playing deadspace just play resident evil 4, it's the best horror/thriller/action game ever made.

>>388799768
I think if they made the monsters sneaker in the dark hallway instead of big monsters running at you it would have been better but the areas of quiet were fucking amazing.

>>388800782
I think you're mistaking Re4 with The Evil Within.

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>Almost 10 years later
>Dead Space 1 still looks great
Just goes to show how far good lighting and sun shafts can take a game.

>>388800782
No, play dead space instead. Great atmosphere, great setting, great enemies. Not just "European forest village with angry people" again

>>388798292
It's a dead franchise is why. Shame that the third game was hot shit because the first two were great.

>>388798749
The eye bit is the most the franchise has ever got to me. Sure there is some spooky stuff throughout, but that part just makes me nope the fuck out every time.

>>388800948
No he wasn't suggesting to play a piece of shit.

>>388798885
It's nearly 10 years old, so I don't know if I would consider it very modern.

>>388801081
>The Evil Within.
>A piece of shit.
???

>>388801116
Anything past 2005 is modern.

>>388801063
>>The eye bit is the most the franchise has ever got to me. Sure there is some spooky stuff throughout, but that part just makes me nope the fuck out every time.
People always say that but the way it goes in and out is so nice and smooth, also that tiny tiny blip of blood. I always found it so satisfying..

>>388801012
yeah i'm shocked at how well this has aged visually. tempted to say it looks better than a lot of current gen games

>>388800673
After just finishing the game. I thought he was the the one going to betray you or some shit because he was always disappearing. I felt bad for doubting him and then of course you know what happens to him like everyone else.

>>388801012
this.
i bought it again a couple months ago and was blown away. didnt expect it to look so good still.

>>388801197
>>388801063
The eye thing is the reason why I never even bought dead space 2 despite loving dead space 1

Did anyone else go through any of the side material? I watched both movies and read the Martyr book.

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>>388801346

>>388801346
It's one little scene that goes on for a couple seconds in a game that's 10 hours long, I don't understand why you'd do that

I wish this generation had more good horror games. Only decent games have been Alien Isolation, RE Rev2 and RE7. Apparently some obscure game called White Day is good.

in 2010 i was getting a xbox 360 for my 14th birthday and dead space was the first game i bought for the console. up until that point i didnt have any modern consoles. i was rocking a wii and that was it. so i looked online at games for the 360 and this caught my eye. not disappointed at all.

>>388799091
who was this again?

>>388801493
Did it spook you?

>>388801397
Martyr is a fucking fantastic read. Downfall is good but the second was kinda forgettable.

>>388801397
Can you explain the lore? >>388799870

>>388801116
I consider anything in my lifetime to be modern.

>>388798549
There's a dead space general with hundreds of replies all the time. Lurk more.

>>388798292
It still pisses me off how the third game destroyed fucked up the gameplay, AND story. They only got back on track in a post game dlc scenario that ends on a massive cliffhanger.

The raptor enemies in 2 are some of my favorite horror enemies this gen. Shame they're somewhat easy to cheese.

>>388801485
not anon that mentioned Evil within earlier, but i enjoyed the gameplay of it. really brought me back. but story wise it was so bad lol. i beat it twice and didnt know what was going on at all. but i loved the difficulty, resource management, and graphic imagery.

>>388801493
>2010
>14
that means you're too young to be on this site now.

>>388799768
And that part was actually more frightening than anything else in either game.

>>388801497
Hammond. The only person on the team that doesn't go full retard
>>388801180
It is trash.

I will never forgive EA for what they did to Dead Space. Fucking faggots.

Dead Space 1 was really good, i recommend it.

I still enjoyed 3, despite its flaws.

Wish it had stayed in space more though, going through multiple derelicts was fun.

2 is obviously the best though. I'm glad they gave Isaac a voice.

>>388798292
It turned into a AAAA franchise.

>>388801771
I thought it was better when he was mute. Vaguely reminded me of Metroid.

>>388801728
A list of games and companies that EA has slaughtered would probably be too long for a 4chan post

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>>388801650

>>388801728
How many games did EA ruin in total?

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>>388801550
it was top tier spooks to me dude. never played anything like it at that point.

>>388801779
>AAAA
Games that cost so much to develop, governments have to help fund it.

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>>388801012
1 and 2 still look very nice. I don't even remember how 3 looked.

>>388801818

I'm sick of the silent protagonist thing though. I prefer my characters to have personality.

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>>388801650
is this supposed to be bait

>>388801552
Martyr surprised me because it was actually competent. The writing wasn't amazing, but it was good enough, and the content of what it went through was decent. I'd agree that Downfall was great but the second movie was shit.

>>388801574
Well, according to Martyr, there was a deep-sea expedition that unearthed a Marker, and zomboners started washing up on the shore. Eventually a religion started being made out of it, in a way. Altman was one of the people who was close to the Marker when it was first discovered under the ocean, but he actually wanted to put a stop to what it was doing and all his coworkers start going completely insane in time with the Marker pulsing. There's a necromorph outbreak and all that, of course. The way Martyr ends is Altman being killed by the people who want to set up their religion under his name. He literally becomes a martyr against his will. They throw him in a room with a necromorph and a plastic spoon for defense.

The lore of the series is essentially that the Markers were not man-made and existed for a long time. The religion is just made in order to harness them, but the people actually trying to harness them are insane motherfucks.

>>388801903

So Kingdom of Amalur?

>>388798292
it was a poor's man RE4 and the linearity was atrocious.

>>388801903
Can you fucking imagine how great a game could be if it had massive government funding?

>>388801870
Burnout, Dead Space, C&C etc

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>>388801903
FORTY
MILLION
DOLLARS

>>388802032
Was that game any good?

>>388801952
Not him but I agree with giving characters personality and also I still enjoy the occasional silent protagonist. But why did Isaac have to look so old? He had a lot of grey hairs. I was wondering if this was alluding to how from all that fucking stress some of his hair was turning white or something.

>>388802141

It was alright. Too much MMO stuff for a game that wasn't an MMO though.

>>388802141
Only the combat, the rest of the game was like playing a single-player MMORPG.

>>388802141
i played a bunch of it. its decent. nothing will blow you away or bring anything new to the rpg genre. its a really comfy play for me because its pretty simple. idk how it cost so much.

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>>388798824
I recommend you and everyone else in this thread to read the comics - they're amazing.
The book and animu are terrible though.

>>388802074
Mercenaries

>>388802026
How do necromorphs and the like work though? I forgot the first two games and played the third one recently and I just didn't get what was happening with the moons and whatnot. Is it some kind of mental transmission or something that starts transforming organisms into creatures or what?

>>388802026
>Martyr surprised me because it was actually competent
It's amazing how few tie in adaptations are.

>>388802183

He was in his mid-40s at the start of the series.

>>388802072
It would be too powerful for consoles and PC.

I loved Dead Space when it came out. Great atmosphere, fun gameplay. Story was a bit cliche but who cares, the game freaked me out. Dead Space 2 was more of the same. Really enjoyed the hallucinogen parts of the game, the children enemies, throwback to the first ship. I hold these two games in my top 25 for sure.

Rented 3. Wasn't feeling the co-op or weapon upgrade mechanics. Unnecessary story. Still fun but not great Dead Space.

>>388801903
Witcher 3?

What are some games where you can suffer intense migraines, lose track of time, and develop schizophrenia in a friagate coasting along the solar system?

>>388802297
A giant Majora's Mask style moon controls them all and is the source of all markers.

>>388802297
Exposure to the Marker set it off originally. Sorry, I don't actually remember the details, but I think that the signals from the Marker just did that and it spread.

>>388802141
Basically a 7-8/10 depending on how you feel about MMO elements. I do think it's really cozy though, probably cause it makes me think of Fable.

Also the dark elf females are boner fuel, as they should be.

>>388802428
Dead Space is just the series for you nigger.

>>388799121
>It also took away the kind of damage and hitstun tuning that comes with having a fixed set of weapons.
Holy shit, this. Impossible mode was the greatest pain in the ass because everything was a bullet sponge and all the weapons were too shit to keep anything stunned. Not even the plasma cutter is good in 3.

>>388798292
>Dead Space 1
Great game.
>Dead Space 2
Great game.
>Dead Space 3
Fucked game.

>>388802430
>>388802456
Who created the markers and why? Cause the aliens of that planet in 3 were trying to stop the markers, right?

>>388802480
>probably cause it makes me think of fable

this glad im not the only one. but i mean fable was top tier cozy for me when i was a kid and had the original xbox.

>>388798668
>Plasma Cutter is a decent weapon, but does almost nothing better than other weapons

It's the only gun you'll ever need, anon... except the force gun, that is also needed

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Just a quick reminder: Ripper is the best weapon, even with the lackluster alt-fire.

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>>388798668
>using the pulse rifle
>calling the PC "not worth it"
this is bait

>>388802647
Line Gun is a fun spectacle weapon but is ultimately a poor man's Plasma. Fully upgraded Force Gun is fun times.

>>388798292
>being this new
everyone loves and shits on this game here atleast once a week

third game is shit though and the dlc ended the series terribly, u wanna talk about the first game which has been done since 2011?

>>388798668
>not using all ur nodes on damage and reload for the PC as fast as possible

the gun is literally all you need and its the best since ammo is soo plentiful for it in comparison

the line gun has shit ammo drops

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>>388802716
Something about the Pulse rifle's design made me almost exclusively use it in Dead Space 1, even though it was pretty much the worst weapon. I was pleasantly surprised when it got a huge upgrade in Dead Space 2.

>>388802527
Yeah, they tried to stop it. Essentially its the Dead Space theory. The markers are this unstoppable force in the universe and they consume planets of advanced civilizations. This is a theory as to why we haven't had contact from alien yet.

>>388798824
first game is the spookiest of them with the best atmosphere, but it has the most clunky gameplay of the series

second one goes a bit more action oriented while still having quite a lot of spooky parts, combat is more fluid than in the first game

third game is even more action oriented with rolling and crouching added to combat, human enemies, barely any spooky moments
some weapon combinations felt broken as fuck, and you need to play co-op if you want to do all the side missions

imo, 2>1>3, but thats because im pussy and really dont enjoy horror that much, but i can easily see why horror fan would think that 1>2>3
definitely play 2 and if you enjoy the direction it went (more action) you might want to try out 3

>>388803174
Kijnda like the reapers?

>>388803143
max damage pulse rifle is amazing
flamethrower is pure garbage except for killing off those tiny crawlers

>>388803651
Pretty much, just better executed than Mass Defect.

>>388802297
Basically the marker's signal drives dumb people to insanity (random people you find as Isaac) and smart people (like Isaac himself) into seeing blueprints for building Markers. Necromorphs originate after an infector is spawned when a Marker is activated. The role of the necromorphs is to infect all bio matter on the planet and spread themselves via that sludgy squishy bio mass that forms when Necromorphs have heavily infested an area. The ultimate goal is to turn the entire planet into one giant necromorph using all the combined infected bio matter on the planet. (this is convergence, that moment when the Marker pulls all the necromorphs into the atmosphere to attempt to create a brother moon) So in the end you get a necromorph brother moon. The markers that civilizations all around the universe found and tried to use as a source of power, or tried to replicate it were all fooled into activating them and instead spawning insanity and the necromorph scourge. The Aliens in the planet found in Dead Space 3 managed to find a way to halt the process of convergence by freezing. Taking their civilization with down in the process. The markers in reality are bait to get humans to partake in what is basically a reproductive process for massive forms of life. The reproductive process of the brother moons. They are basically just giant space animals that constantly keep consuming life wherever it is found and using it to keep their species alive, through an insanely convoluted and horrifyingly grotesque reproductive process. Made of nothing but dead matter, claiming all forms of life around the universe. It truly is nothing but dead space. There is nothing out there but death. That is the theme I assume the game was trying to hammer home, going by the audio logs from that doctor in DS3 that was ecstatic at first to find alien life and then near the end of the game his tone changes when you listen to the audio log, he has a tinge of regret for discovering the truth

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Did you jump?

>>388804770
uh n-no...

>>388802297
Markers emit a radioactive sub-space signal that animates dead tissue and reforms it into new organisms.

>>388802527
It's never explained who made them, but it's heavily hinted that the Brother Moons are a "race" of things that reproduce by devouring entire planets.

They do this by launching Markers into space at planets capable of supporting life. It's heavily implied that once a marker lands on such a planet, it steers evolution to create a sentient race. Said sentient race sees the marker, and generally tries to copy it, as the marker is capable of generating an endless amount of energy without external fuel (It's later found out that it does this by catching signals from other Markers across the galaxy and somehow turning them into electrical radiation.) This same radiation, however, is also the wavelength that animates tissue and drives people insane.

Unitology is a group that largely knows the truth about markers, but misinterprets them to be a godsend, thinking that the markers will fuse humanity into an ascended being and we will all live in paradise. The reality is that a convergence event just births a Brother Moon.

>>388804184
>>Basically the marker's signal drives dumb people to insanity (random people you find as Isaac) and smart people (like Isaac himself) into seeing blueprints for building Markers
When was this established? Seems ridiculous that everyone was affected save very few and Isaac doesn't seem so smart.

As for the rest, holy shit that sounds insane, it sounds better than I thought, reminds me of Evangelion and also those creatures from Warhammer 40k. Thank you so much for this explanation. It made me appreciate the games even more now retroactively.

>>388806436
it was established in Martyr (the book) and Aftermath (the movie), and I think it's also mentioned in at least one game

>>388805246
Holy shit so basically markers land on a planet and create a self fulfilling prophecy by ensuring that the life there evolves into a being that wants to harness the power and thereby activating them and then consequently being consumed? Jesus.


>>388806534
Ok I guess I have to watch those movies and maybe read Martyr.

>>388806634
aftermath is one movie

the other movie that came before it, Downfall, is the events that led up to Isaac arriving on the Ishimura, while Aftermath is a bridge between Dead Space 1 and 2 (it's also not as good and was animated in 4 different styles)

>>388806634
>Holy shit so basically markers land on a planet and create a self fulfilling prophecy by ensuring that the life there evolves into a being that wants to harness the power and thereby activating them and then consequently being consumed?
It's not said outright, but it's the conclusion that Dr. Serrano comes to in Dead Space 3. He also explains that despite mankind having FTL travel, they have never once happened upon, or even found evidence of, aliens due to the Brother Moons leaving a massive trail of "Dead Space" in their wake. Every sentient species that has existed on our side of the Milky Way has already been devoured and used as biomass.

>>388804184
Wait, you actually played through DE3?

That's insane. You absolute madman.

>>388799870
the galaxy is a dead space because the necromorph have exterminated every alien civilization. Humans are "lucky" because the black marker was inactive

>>388804184
that's right
the galaxy are fucked

>>388807957
But are we fucked?

>>388808343
Earth is definitely fucked if we go by the DLC ending.

>>388798549
The third game had potential with its gun work bench which I really liked but the truth is; is that no one really gave a shit and the ending was pretty bad.

>>388808641
d-dlc ending?

>>388807194
That's... actually horrifying, and i'm shocked that DS3 didn't capitalized in this kind of cosmic horror as marketing or something

It's a walking simulator

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>>388802074
Spore.

I installed it again today and I never realized how shitty the keyboard controls were, god damn

Dead Space 3 was, while inferior to its predecessors, still an alright game on its own and didn't deserve all the backlash it received

Thanks for killing the franchise for irrationally hating on it guys.

>no one talks about it anymore
It's like a fucking 10 year old game and we still have pretty frequent threads about it on /v/, that's pretty good

>>388809178
I didn't hate on it. I was just unwilling to buy anything else from EA. I've stayed true to that since 2012, without any regrets.

>>388799768
Biggest nope I have ever had in a vidya game.
Stared at the screen for 2 minutes saying fuck this shit, I don't think I can do this.

>>388809383
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>>388800673
Pretty sure you're supposed to doubt hammond and like kendra more and then the twist happens and it turns out you've been played for a fool by kendra

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>>388800418

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>>388809798
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>>388811228
I want that so much

>>388811387
John Carpenter hasn't made good movies in a very long time. Which is a genuine shame.

>>388798292
What happened was EA bought the publishing rights

Same "thing" that plagued Dead Space 2 & 3 was same thing that killed Mass Effect 2 & 3

And still reason I won't buy any EA products to this day

>>388809294
My friend says that too, there's no point tho

>>388811642
Mass effect 2 was incredible imo

>>388811725
The point is that none of my labor goes towards directly supporting EA. It's not like they've been releasing good games, anyways.

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>>388802072
every day

>>388811810
But they make those shitty games that third worlders always buy and play even though its the same game every fucking year like fifa.

>>388812104
Neat. They still don't get my money.

>>388812249
>neat
pisses me off

>>388812348
How would you like me to respond to that, then?

>>388812546
Fuck EA!

>>388798795
>>388798996
newfags

>>388812348
neat. ;)

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>game is bad because there is not a thread about it up right now on the videogame board of 4chan

Anyone that perpetuates this bullshit idea should be gassed.

I remember 3 briefly having a somewhat open ship graveyard segment towards the beginning, complete with space walks
That stuff should have been the whole game

>>388799423
Yes, Dark Souls 2 is the best Souls game, but i think this thread is about Dead Space, stay on topic.

>>388798292
old game plus the series got casualized to hell

>>388811792
CONS
>Less tertiary info to further deepen lore that first game establishes, and only new info is in Shadow Broker dlc
>No attempt at improving other world exploration, but we all loved the scanning feature, right?
>Blended Classes, because Soldiers needed space magic missile, and Time Magic!
>Even after expanding courtship to Garrus and Tali denies femshep access to Grunts sweet ass
>Changes combat from weapons with a multitude of modifications that were interchangeable on the fly with effectively infinite ammo balanced by a 'Safety' feature cooldown period to generic cover based shooter with virtually no customisability and dependence on disposable heat sinks as "Ammo"
>Trade in Space Racist Ashley and My Head Maiden for the things called Miranda. And Jacob... And Jack
>If romamcing Liara takes her and gives "Sorry your blue waifu is in another DLC!" Mesaage
PROS
>Refined the Cover Mechanics
>Mordin
>Miranda's Ass Effect
>Aria T'cloak
>Watching your psychiatrist get turned into a meat slushie
>More Krogan Bros
>Tali romance option

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>>388813048

>>388813074
You gotta admit people forgot about it

>>388814109
>Jack
She'd be so qt with long hair

>>388814109
You really have a thing for krogans dont you?

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>>388798292

tfw I never bothered to play the 3rd game so the story ended with Dead Space 2 for me.

Thank fuck I didn't bother playing 3. I even got it for free during that EA humble bundle ages ago but didn't bother installing.

>>388814953
>I even got it for free during that EA humble bundle ages ago but didn't bother installing.
thyat's when i got it too.

>>388814619
Unfortunately she's cursed with perpetual tumblr hair, hopefully a modder can fix that

>>388814641
Yes, a race of miniature godzillas with a dark sense of humor blasting everything with space shotguns gives me austistic levels of glee

>>388808343
The brother moons discovered and attacked the earth
end of the humanity

>>388814535
I don't have to admit that because it's not true
We have regular threads about it
Honestly DS1 and 2 are two of my favorite games ever

>>388813113

It was the first half of the game.

>>388814953
I have played 1 in 2010 and 2 this year, but fuck me I'm never going to play 3 because even 2 was way to much on the action side.