Pokemon Ultra Sun and Moon will be the last Hurray of the 3DS

>>388780743
I've put hundreds of hours into previous Pokemon games, but I don't have any hype for USUM.

>>388780969
But it's free! You did hack your 3ds, right?

>>388780743
It's "last hurrah" not "last hurray".

>Pokemon Sun and Moon will be the last Hurray of the 3DS
>The 3DS may not die right away but its support and relevancy will slowly die after the last Pokemon games release. That said, are you going to buy the last Pokemon games for the last dedicated Handheld console ever?

Good riddance, the 3DS was a disappointment.
>worst Pokemon
>worst Paper Mario
>worst 2D Mario
>worst 3D Mario
>worst Mario & Luigi
>worst Yoshi
>worst Pikmin
>worst Fire Emblem (at least out of the ones that were released in the West)
>worst Zelda (although ALBW made up for it)
>worst Metroid (although Samus Returns could redeem it)

>>388780743
Man I really want to buy both. But I am scared if I will be disappointed by the games.

I kinda want the double steelbook, eventhough it looks ordinary, but the normal cover is probably the best pokemon cover.

the 3ds ones were garbage

>>388781087
I got Sun for "free" and I didn't even finish it. All the unskippable railroaded bullshit is somehow much worse than every other game in the series. I'm not sure whether I've finally just outgrown the series, or it really is getting worse.

>>388780743
>The 3DS may not die right away
I thought the system was fucking dead in early 2015. Then the rest of 2015 happened. Then 2016 happened. Now 2017 is happening. 3DS is having a much stronger end to its life than its start. Those first couple of years were pure shit.

>>388781974
the games have become more story oriented since b/w
which is a bad thing

>>388781974
I think we are just burnt out of the same formula that has been repeated ad nauseum.

>collection x badges
>catch them all
>defeat x villain

We need more adventures like the pokemon movies and less recycled bullshit

>>388781974
Game Freak focused more on their "meaningful and deep" story instead of gameplay and exploration, and they've stated they're going to continue doing so. They really don't understand why people enjoyed the earlier games.

>>388781974
Even though Pokemon was never exactly hardcore to begin with, the series is getting a lot more babbified (for lack of a better term). Game Freak have explicitly said that modern children don't have time to play a single game for a long time so they force all the content on you through cutscenes, then just have an post-game that solely consists of competitive battling. They don't bother with optional content or puzzles/areas that require the slightest bit of thought to get through because they know that any extra effort they put into the game will be wasted on the majority of their players.

The games are no longer adventures, they're stories.

>>388780743
>no lillie
>no lusamine
>no chicken
what exactly is the appeal now then?

>>388780969
This honestly. I got so bored with the SM post-game that I actually bred for a shiny some months ago and never touched the game again. I might do it again actually, it's a good time waster.

>>388782613
>>no lillie
>>no lusamine
So there is a god.

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>>388780743
3DS is fucking pointless. Instead of improving the hardware, they slap gimmicky 3D shit which no one cares on it and call it a day.

2DS XL (with better hardware) should have been the default form from the get go.
>Inb4 3D is unique and what separates 3DS from other handhelds and I use this feature everyday XD!

Because I'm the biggest idiot on earth I'm falling for the Ultra Sun/Ultra Moon meme. Hell I even splurged and bought the steel case so my best friend could have Ultra Sun, that's how dumb I am.

>>388781816
>worst 3D Mario

You're right about everything else, but Super Mario 64 DS was way worse than any 3DS Mario because of those fucking controls.

Also, you forgot worst Chibi-Robo.

>>388780743
Pokemon has declined since Emerald. They literally said in an interview they will not be putting forth the effort to create end game content because the general populace is more concerned with mobile gaming and "doesn't have as much time to play video games", going so far as to fuck over their hardcore fans because it's easier for them and they still make money either way. It's revolting.

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>>388782215
>>388782473
>>388782543
Damn reading that and realizing its true is really depressing.

>>388782454
The formula isn't the issue, the issue is that everything else is changing for the worse. The fact that a Gameboy game has overworld that allows for more exploration than a 3DS game is an embarrassment. Pokemon doesn't need a reboot that completely shakes up the formula. It just needs some competent developers who will put effort into the game.

>>388780743
Sun/Moon were the worst in the series by a fucking mile.
I know it's the meme to hate on the latest generations, with "it's not gen 1 so it's shit" being the obvious one, but gen 7 is genuinely the worst they've ever shat out.
The only good things to come from it are Rockruff and Mimikyu.

>hurray
it's hurrah you retard

3ds will always be relevant for pirates until switch gets full hacked

But gamefreak is 2nd party. It's the last major games on DS family of systems and dual screens.

>>388781816
>I'm a retard

>>388781816
3DS has:
>best pokemon (ASOR)
>best Brain Age
>best Dragon Quest (VIII)
>best 3D Mario (3D Land)
>best Kirby (Robobot)
>best Style Savvy (FF)
>best Animal Crossing (NL)
>best Picross (because it has ALL THE PICROSS)

>>388782995
that's where you're wrong, kiddo

>>388782473
This. They are putting too much emphasis on character and character relationships. While that works for some people, I played Pokemon for the journey.

Do we know what's new in these? Any new mon's or at least forms? If not I won't even consider them.

That said I'm hyped as shit for the series to come to switch, gimme dat HD pikachu

>>388780969
it's because you're not 12 anymore so we're less deceivable into be excited for the same rehashed game with some sprinkles on it

>>388783418
>best Dragon Quest
Anon, it literally has all of them at this point which I find more noteworthy than singling out any of them.

>>388783275
Moon/Sun were leagues better than X/Y. Better region, better music, better new pokemon, vaguely lesser Gen 1 wanking, better story, and better gameplay. Only thing is: they dropped hoard battles. Those made fully EV training a pokemon a 10 minute affair at most. Now its... its just... I can't go back. I can't sink hundreds of hours into raising pokemon like I did in the Gen 6 games because its gone back to being a chore.

>>388782613
Sauce?

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>>388783418
>best pokemon (ASOR)
Absolutely not. None of the 3d pokemon games are the best.

Emerald sold 6 million

Platinum sold 7 million

Crystal sold 6.5 million

These 3rd versions lose 2/3rds of the original games userbase. Only kids want to play rehash of a game

>>388783617
>Do we know what's new in these? Any new mon's or at least forms? If not I won't even consider them.
A new third evolution of the Dog. But its event only. Besides that some new dancing moves and nothing else

>>388780743
>last hurrah
>Pokemon shit which doesn't even try to hide being babby's first RPG any more
No, Radiant Historia will send off the 3DS. Just like the DS.

>>388782907
Nintendo has wanted 3D to catch on and be the hottest shit every generation since the Virtual Boy. The N2DS was more or less their concession that none of the consumers give a shit.

>>388783965
ok.

>>388784025
lul dropped then

>>388780743
Of course I will. Sun and Moon were fun games by their own right, so I figure Ultra SuMo will be at least that good too. Those games plus the trifecta of Atlus RPGs are giving the 3DS one hell of a sendoff

>>388781816
You realize Black and White came out on the regular DS, right?

>>388783626
I thought this was the case for me but SM got me hooked on the series again.

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>>388782693
Same for me. It's almost exactly the same post game as XY and ORAS except:
>even less content (fuck removing triple and rotation battles)
>you can't level or EV train things up at a good pace
>Festival Plaza is a really shitty Join Avenue
>trading is absolute garbage between everything being hacked, shitmons, or Abra
>playing with friends is a pain in the ass thanks to having to do it through Festival Plaza
>made catching Pokemon with hidden abilities take longer than needed
>more shitty balancing
>hatching eggs will now fuck up the circle pad because no d-pad movment

>>388783232
Game Freak doesn't even know what the fuck they're talking about.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgTUuEG96K4

>>388784032
Gonna pirate Radiant Historia

>>388784032
>Radiant Historia
I forgot about that. But why? The DS game still holds up today, so why remake it with a shittier art style to boot?

>>388781816
but wooly Yoshi is pretty good

>>388780743
>That said, are you going to buy the last Pokemon games for the last dedicated Handheld console ever?
If it's even half as bad as SM I won't even pirate it.

>>388783702
>Only thing is: they dropped hoard battles
They also ruined online, ruined level grinding, removed battle modes from the postgame facility, and removed shit like the National goddamn Pokédex for no fucking reason. The game doesn't want you to battle Pokémon, and it doesn't want you to collect Pokémon, so why even play it? 6's postgame was extremely minimal, but if nothing else it was tailor-made to making those two things as doable as possible.

I'm also not sure how there's "lesser Gen 1 wanking" when Gen 6's gimmick at least applied to other generations, whereas Alolan forms are exclusively Gen 1 Pokémon and unique Z-Moves are again only for Gen 1 and Gen 7 Pokémon. Both games got off to Gen 1 constantly, but 6 at least tried to throw other generations a bone once in a while, while 7 basically just stuck a few literal whos in the tree and called it a day.

>>388783702
>Better region
The Alola region was fucking awful, it's like they took everything bad about Unova and Kalos but made it into 4 shitty islands that all look similar. If you take a screenshot of any older Pokemon game, you could accurately identify where that screenshot was taken. You can't do the same for Alola.

>better music
It's on par with X/Y. It's good, but not mind-blowing.

>better new pokemon
That's subjective, although I'd say they're about the same. At the very least, X/Y had better starters and legendaries.

>vaguely lesser Gen 1 wanking
They literally redesigned a bunch of Kanto Pokemon and made their encounter rates incredibly high throughout the game. There's far more gen 1 stuff being thrown into your face in S/M.

>better story
It's still fucking terrible, at least X/Y didn't have as many cutscenes forcing it on you.

>better gameplay
The gameplay has remained mostly the same except S/M railroads the player much harder. Although X/Y had better online features so I'd argue that it got slightly worse.

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we better get yokai watch 3 before this thing finally croaks

>>388784421
>a shittier art style
Everyone I've seen in the remake looks infinitely more attractive than in the original. Particularly with Eruca no longer being a dyke. Real reason is probably just additional exposure, since iirc the first wasn't a big hit. Same with SJ.

>>388780743
I couldn't get myself to finish XY and I've always enjoyed main pokemon games. I've tried Sun and Moon the other day and I just couldn't bring myself to keep playing after 1 hour. I guess I'm done with these games and the 3DS then. Not gonna try Ultra Sun or whatever.

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>>388784637
They were holding at national dex for USUM lel

>>388780743
I sure hope not, I want Alliance Alive in english (official or fan translation) before it dies.
Anyway yeah I'll buy UM since I liked SM a lot.

>>388780743
I aint buying shit until Gamefreak starts caring again. I will still play it tho.

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>>388784445
He meant New Island.

>>388784659
XY had terrible music. Only the Pokeball Factory and a few town themes were any good.
Worst wild encounter theme by far too, irritating as fuck.

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>>388784637
>beat the elite 4 in S&M
>look up what's there to do in post game
>"uhhh, you can get some legendary pokemon and a 2nd box legendary"
>this is literally it
>breeding new pokemon for online isnt even fun anymore since no more horde battles and the move tutor is in ORAS still

>>388784269
thats why he said worst Pokemon, dumb Kalosperm.

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>>388783418

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>11 years old
>This sexy

How is this possible /v/?

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Sun/Moon still has my favorite Pokemon design and soundtrack since gen 3 to be honest.

>>388785174
>one post game cave
>two floors
>second floor is copy pasted from XY
>it's all full of only Golbat and Dugtrio

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>>388785720
Same here. The Pokemon were too damn good for it, I can't enjoy older games as much without them given how many of them are among my favorites.

>>388785720
Very comfy for winter nights https://youtu.be/PnsgU6LpDIk

>>388785174
>look up what's there to do in post game
>"uhhh, you can get some legendary pokemon and a 2nd box legendary"
>this is literally it
Get Incinium Z, Decidium Z, or Primarium Z from Hau
Get a Lucky Egg and TM90 Substitute from Professor Kukui in the Pokémon Research Lab
Catch the four Tapu
Catch the Ultra Beasts
Go to the Battle Tree
Get Cosmog
Get Type: Null
Battle the Eeveelution Users
Battle Guzma
Battle Faba to get a Dubious Disc. He is in 1F of Aether Paradise. He has a level 61 Hypno, a level 61 Slowbro, a level 61 Raichu, a level 61 Alakazam, and a level 61 Bruxish. You get 14640 Pokédollars for winning. Afterward, Faba gives you a Dubious Disc, then he disappears.
Battle the Principal of the Trainers' School on Melemele Island to get a King's Rock. First you have to Battle Black Belt Duane on 3F. He has a level 55 Primeape and a level 56 Lucario. You get 1792 Pokédollars for winning. Afterward, you can go through the door that he was blocking and battle Principal Asuka. She has a level 57 Granbull, a level 57 Stoutland, and a level 57 Arcanine. You get 5472 Pokédollars for winning. Afterward, she gives you a King's Rock.
Get the Oval Charm
Get the Shiny Charm
Get the rest of the stamps in your Trainer Passport. To get all of them, you need to get the Shiny Charm, win 50 consecutive Single Battles, 50 consecutive Double Battles, and 50 consecutive Multi Battles in the Battle Tree, and upgrade your Poké Finder to level 5
Go into the Hano Grand Resort and talk to Kahili to get TM92 Trick Room
Go into the Po Town Pokémon Center and talk to the Grunts to buy a Skull Tank
Talk to the sightseer to the left of the Café in the Seafolk Village Pokémon Center. Sightseer Marcus has a level 55 Shiny Exeggcute. You get 3300 Pokédollars for winning. Afterward, Marcus gives you six Nuggets.
Go to Mahalo Trail (north of Iki Town on Melemele Island) and go to the north end of the plank bridge to find an Electric Seed

sun and moon was so boring i could barely get 2 hours into the game before i quit, and this is coming from someone who sunk 300+ hours into Pokemon X and Y, and about 150 into ORAS

>>388786207
Go to Aether House in Route 15 and talk to the employees in the room on the right to get a Porygon and Up-Grade
Go to Route 8 to meet Colress near the Aether building. He gives you the Douse Drive, Shock Drive, Burn Drive, and Chill Drive. After that, he can be encountered at the Battle Tree
You can get a Sun Stone in Pokémon Sun if you have a Solrock, or a Moon Stone in Pokémon Moon if you have a Lunatone. Put the pokémon in your party, then go to Haina Desert, where you found the Zygarde Cell. You will find a bald man who has lost his memory. If the correct pokémon is in your party (Solrock in Pokémon Sun, Lunatone in Pokémon Moon), the man will give you a Sun Stone if you are playing Pokémon Sun or a Moon Stone if you are playing Pokémon Moon.
Challenge the Pokémon League again whenever you want

3D Pokemon was a mistake

I feel like sun and moon was to combat yo Kai watch popularity in japan

Rotamdex and whisper really similar
The anime turned into slice of life.

I think generation 8 will be different for sure. But yeah I would expect upgrade with USUM over sun and moon

If you didn't like sun and moon to begin better just skip it

>>388785720
>since gen 3
gen 3 was fucking turd.

>>388785720
If only so many of the new Pokemon weren't very rare and 18 of them weren't legendaries/mythicals/UBs that are almost all post game.

>>388784286
i was talking about third versions

>>388780743
FUCK
now i actually have to worry about porting my mons from gens 3,4,5 to bank

>>388786207
>get items that take all of 2 minutes to get and battle 5 weak trainers for more items

Whoa

>>388780743
>The 3DS may not die right away but its support and relevancy will slowly die after the last Pokemon games release.
How fucking dare you nigger, the 3DS isn't going to die any time soon fuck you and your pokemon bullshit what the fuck do you think pokemon is some kinda god in videogame form? get the fuck out of my board

>>388786418
whatever happened to yokai watch anyway? haven't heard a thing about it in ages. did level 5 manage to milk another of their franchises to death?

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>>388786507

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>3DS will die before we get these games over

>>388786418
Yokai Watch has more and better exploration than SM, as the story is better told too. Even the gameplay is kinda fresh despite relying on rng for getting yokai to do what you want and even more rng to get them to join you.

>>388786495
So you're telling me you beat Red or Green on your first try?

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>>388786425
If you have shit taste yeah.

>>388785184
>a-at least BW has a good story!
Pathetic unovabortion.

>>388786740
>He didn't really die

That made me lose my motivation on playing the 2nd game. I really liked how Asogi's death affected Ryuunosuke but I guess I can't have nice things.

>>388786767
>despite relying on rng for getting yokai to do what you want and even more rng to get them to join you
Haven't played YW, but reading this makes me feel as though Ni no Kuni was the beta of YW.

>>388781816
>>worst Pokemon
that's gen 1
>>worst Paper Mario
ok
>>worst 2D Mario
NSMB2? ok
>>worst 3D Mario
3D Land > Sunshine
>>worst Mario & Luigi
That's PiT
>>worst Yoshi
ok
>>worst Pikmin
ok
>>worst Fire Emblem (at least out of the ones that were released in the West)
>>worst Zelda (although ALBW made up for it)
That's SS
>>worst Metroid (although Samus Returns could redeem it)
That's Other M

>>388786648
Yeah that's what happend

Yo kai watch was a monster from 2013-2015. Anime was destroying pokemon anime in ratings and merch sales

Yo kai watch 2 outsold Oras in japan.

But huge decline happened with yo Kai watch 3 sales. Level 5 has moved on to snack world. But yo Kai watch still is somewhat relevant but nowhere near when it was giving trouble to Pokemon from 2013 - 2015

>>388786938
I heard the second YW improves on that issue a ton, but I haven't played it because I'm waiting for the third version

>>388786853
When you go to the battle tree the first time? Yeah picked red I wasn't even expecting a battle either before, I had it on set without xp share or items to make the game less braindead

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>>388786428
I was able to get everyone I wanted without having to slog through post game so I was personally satisfied. Although I had shit luck and spent almost an hour walking through that patch of grass for this smug turtle.

>>388781974
I also got it for free as a birthday present from a friend (she almost bought both versions because she thought I might need both of them), played through it got to the post game and did battle tree + online battles for like a week then quit.

My biggest issue was that they made it harder to level up/train pokemon for some reason. Sure you have the bottle caps that fix IVs but I can breed 10 perfect IV pokemon faster than I can get a bottle cap that fixes one stat, not to mention the pokemon has to be level 100 to even use it when competitive caps at 50.

>>388786507
Gave me a good laugh thanks anon

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>>388786207
>>388786294
Okay, so a collectathon excluding battle tree. That IS a post game, but is it fun?
Now lets take a look at the post game content that you can do in HGSS shall we?

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>>388781816
3d land was good, dream team was better than partners in time, new island is better than yoshis new island, the pikmin game is just a spinoff and it is still good, triforce heroes is better than four swords, federation force is better than other m
also it had
>the best kid icarus
>the best animal crossing
>the best pilotwings
>the best kirby
>the best monster hunter
>the best star fox
>the best zelda

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>>388787351
Can't forget the interchangable geography of safari zone

>>388787351
Platinun and HGSS also had online co-op for all Battle Frontier facilities. Why the hell did they never bring that feature back even for the basic co-op in train/maison/tree?

>>388782454
I've been saying this for a while. They could do fucking anything with the Pokemon formula, it's perfect for a bunch of spinoffs that keep the core mechanics(unlike mystery dungeon shit)
But they just keep rehashing, and they're obsessively consistent with it to the point where they keep cloning the exact same goddamn Pokemon and giving it a new name.
There's no financial incentive for them to do it, but they seriously need to branch out. I shudder to imagine another copypaste Pokemon game coming out in gen 11 year 2024

>>388787540
I'm just now realizing how I didn't like any of those games.

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>>388787556
Ah yes, also another ENTIRE REGION, can't miss it

>>388787639
>Game Freak thinks Go fulfills Pokemon having an open world game

>>388787639
Mystery dungeon has better story and music than Pokemon mainline games .

Pokemon explorer of sky is best Pokemon game ever

I can't wait for mystery dungeon on switch

>>388787818
To be fair, Johto is pretty small and adding Kanto didn't take that much effort.

>>388780743
The new metroid and this might be the last 3ds games I buy. I could see them dropping it, but if not I'd buy more. I'm sure as fuck not buying a shitty switch.

>>388787818
>Is it fun?
>posts an entire copypaste of the previous game, except smaller and now full of shitmons and underleveled trainers
The absolute pinnacle of quantity of quality.

>>388787081
>I had it on set without xp share or items to make the game less braindead
All exp share does, like it always has, is save time on grinding out each pokemon individually. With exp scaling returning from Gen 5 it was needed more than ever due to diminishing returns on wild pokemon fights.

Competent rpgs have exp sharing by default so that characters whom aren't even in the active party, still level up and keep pace with the mains. Do you feel that .hack, Chrono, FF, Star Ocean, Tales of, Trails, Ys, and tons of other rpgs are "braindead"?

>>388788310
XP Share made the game an even bigger joke than it was, on my playthrough of Sun which was my second time around I put xp share on to save time and was always 4-5 levels ahead of any other trainer and by the time i got to the E4 I was 10 lvls over.

>>388788310
>not having your whole party at sub level 50 when you battle Kukui

>>388788524
That doesn't answer or sound like a response to anything I said? RPGs are easy. All exp sharing in any of them does is waste less of your time. I for the life of me cannot see how that is a bad thing.

>>388788541
My party was sub-level 50 because I was raising around 18 different pokemon throughout the course of the adventure. That is the true power of exp sharing. Letting you try all kinds of pokemon through the main game instead of picking 6 and sticking with them due to grinding up new one being a chore.

>>388788973
>being a fence sitting faggot and not picking your team before a run

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HGSS has the best single player post-story content, Emerald has the best campaign, ORAS is the best for multiplayer and multiplayer only, and SM (or whatever current game gets released later on) are the best if you want to keep track of the current meta. BW and XY are on the same level of linear, easy mediocrity, and BW2 are incredibly overrated here and on /vp/.

>>388780743
>The 3DS may not die right away but its support and relevancy will slowly die after the last Pokemon games release

i just bought a 3ds for my little cousin, you serious that its pretty much dead ?

>>388789130
Platinum has better post game than HGSS just because leveling up in HGSS is worse than in SM.

>>388789258
>i just bought a 3ds for my little cousin, you serious that its pretty much dead ?
Yeah but don't worry. Your cousin can still enjoy it, Its not like all the 3DS games in the stores will start vanishing after the 3DS dies

>>388789258
Metroid, mario and luigi and Pokemon the big games this year for 3ds

Monster Hunter stories good too.

But there is huge catlog of games ur cousin missed. So it's virtually new system

>>388789258
I was still playing a PS1 until like 2002, little kids don't give a shit about staying current with video games they just want something to entertain them for a few hours

>>388789449
but still, kinda sad no new games for it

i got him pokemon sun, mon hun gens and zelda ocarnia of time

and it came with a super mario game

>>388788973
>throwing out your bros instead of formulating a winning strategy
My team was sub level 50 and consisted of only ice types. I had to plan my way through almost every trial, major fight, and the whole league without resorting to using items mid-battle and playing with the set option. God damn do ice types suck.

>>388789614

>>388790073
Running through a game with 6 super early game pokemon while having to ignore literally hundreds of others kind of lost any flavor it had remaing after Gen 4. I welcome being able to freely experiment and shuffle my bros around.

And yes Ice types do suck but I love them so. Avalugg saved my bacon against Diantha.

>>388786740
>3DS will die before we get these games over
Those games were never coming

>tfw this is probably true

fuck man i just wanted yo-kai watch 3 to be localized

>>388781087
Have they done another banwave since the mini-shoah around the time the FE Echoes came out?

>>388792975
Wasn't than a hoax?

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>watch decent streamer
>he fights people on sun/moon in his chat for fun
>want to join in
>think about getting ultra sun/moon
>the two games cant battle each other

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And I remember when you stupid cunts were calling SM the best Pokemon game to date during it's demo days.

>>388789130
>not counting Platinum towards anything
Bitch nigga, I'll throw a vote to Platinum for being the most difficult Pokemon game.

>>388793391
>the two games cant battle each other
So they're not updating SuMo to play with ultra just like they didn't update X/Y for ORAS?

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>>388793391
What the fresh hell. Didn't they make it so D/P could play against Pt/HG/SS as well as B/W with B2/W2? Why are they actively putting less and less effort into their games?

Hey guys? I'm still scared. I hacked my 3ds and I really wanna play some Kirby online.
C-can I do that safely now or will they ban me?

>He thinks 3DS is dead after Pokemon rehashes

SMT Strange Journey Redux isn't out yet anon.

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>Nintendo made you pay for an incomplete game

>>388789130
>Expecting challenge in a pokemon RPG

B/W are the best simply because they have a cohesive well written story and a great pokedex that didn't rely on Gen 1 nostalgia to push itself. out. Thats the main problem with Gen 6/7. Its all based on "LOOK AT THIS CHARIZARD? REMEMBER CHARIZARD? HOLY FUCK ITS CHARIZARD GUYS"

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>>388786207
I'm bored so I'll bite
>Get Z moves
wow takes like a minute holy shit
>Get Luck Egg and Substitute
see above
>everything else except for Ultra Beasts and Battle Tree and Eevee mission
see above

>>388795095
As much as people shat on it before release, the exclusion of any previous gens in B/W was incredibly refreshing.

I haven't beaten any of their remakes. I always buy them, excited as hell and then they just lose me. And maybe because it was free or maybe because it just wasn't good but I never finished Sun either. I'll try again for Ultra when it comes out. I hope the Switch game goes back to its roots but I doubt it.

>>388795414
It was. And thats the problem people have with it, which is what pisses me off to no end.

Actual fans of pokemon back in 97 onwards loved Gen V strictly because it ws exactly that, It was the same magic of Gen 1 all over again, finding new pokemon, figuring out new strategies, exploring new lands, etc. Those of us who played gen 1 20 years ago want to see the series EVOLVE. become something else, at least take steps in the right direction, I'm fucking tired of gen 1 pandering because i'm sued to it,. I lived it. Many other people lived it. But the problem is that Nintendo isnt focusing on us as an audeince anymore, they're focusing on the adults who never even cared about pokemon back in the day, who immediately latch onto it because "Wow! I remember this when I was a kid, surely I can jump in to this new and trendy topic because I lived in that age!" Hence pokemon Go. If Pokemon go was all Gen 6 pokemon nobody would care. Only ebcause its the 151 original people grew up with, do they care.

>>388795520
>I hope the switch game goes back to its roots
B/W did exactly that, but nobody gave it a chance because they saw Klink, trubbish and vanillre and ignored it entirely.

>>388795095
>well written
Subjective, personally I felt like the narrative was poorly done, and BW2 even went steps back just to shoehorn in another story by reviving Team Plasma despite Hilda/Hilbert arresting the Seven Sages in the originals (the prompt to do it isn't even optional, Looker tells you to go after them right after you beat N and leave your room). The problem with Gen 6 and 7 has more to do with how they handle exploration vs. narrative, and the Unova games also suffer from these exact same issues. In every game prior, you're railroaded to a certain extent, but are still allowed to go to certain places at your own pace. In BW onwards, every area is roadblocked until you complete the current task at hand immediately, and there's little branching paths to take if you ever want to go back later to explore the region more. The games focus far more on the narrative aspect (in BW, it's about N's false truth/ideal that Pokemon and humans are harmful to each other and that he needs to split them, in XY it's about Serena/Calem and their friends who never leave them alone, and in SM it's about Lillie's family struggles).
Also funny that you praise BW for not relying on nostalgia, yet its sequels do just that for its selling point by bringing back older gen mons (despite being in a region far away from the first four) and creating the PWT, functionally less unique than Emerald or even HGSS's frontier, but gets all the praise for reusing DPPt/HGSS trainer sprites.

>>388795723
Playing Pokemon Go has caused me to start unironically using the term normies to describe other players. Jesus Christ the shit these people say.
>getting basic type matchups wrong
>"Muk is gonna be really good for Mewtwo raids!"
>"Articuno is water type, so use lots of grass Pokemon"
>openly hating on Chandelure for being a chandelier turned into a Pokemon, because gen 1 totally didn't have uninspired designs

To everything else you said, it doesn't help that anime pandering is at an all time high in S/M.

>>388780743
Is there any actual information on this game? Is it a emerald/plat or B/W2 situation? Do they have a league now? What's new?

>>388795950
>Yet its sequels do exactly that.

Which is exactly why I don't praise B/W2. Only thing I liked aboput B/W2 was Colress, and I hate how underused he was as a villain since he was jsut a pawn of ghetsis. I agree with you on the B/W2 narritive. It sucked, and I wish plasma was never involved, because I despise Neo plasma for completely destroying the point of Plasma's ideals. Its got great Post-game content, that undeniable, but its story was a huge step down.

Also, whats so wrong about a JRPG having a good story? Pokemon is a JRPG you know.

>>388796147
>Hating on Chandelure
Outright blasphemy, I can get hating on object mons, but how can you hate Chandelure? its one of the best ghost types out there! And this coming from a guy who loves Magneton.

>>388796170
It's literally Sun and moon agains with slight alterations to the story. Think Platinum, but split into two. No idea if it has any post game content.

>>388780743
So its not coming to the Switch then?

>>388796479
It never was

>>388796530
Ahh well. Who wants to buy a Switch?

>>388796279
Having objectively shit taste is the only answer. Ghost/Fire is an amazing type and it's one of the best gen V mons.

>>388796601
For the 2-3 questionable designs people destroy Gen V over, theres 100 amazing ones. Hell, Gen V was the only pokedex to this date to top 150 original pokemon again. Gen 2 was 100, Gen 3 was 130, Gen 4 was 110, and even sadder, Gen 6 and 7 are like 60 minus all the Mega/Alolan formes that fill the rest of the dex.

>hyper normalfag friend who plays GO more than the mainline says he hasn't picked up SM in months and skips the Shiny Tapu event (he also didn't finish the UB quest)
>says it's because of a lack of postgame
>agree and say that's an issue with several of the 3DS titles
>he tells me XY had an amazing postgame
I just don't know anymore.

>>388795921
How many gens were on the DS? Gen 4 and 4 right? I barely remember Gen 4 at all, nor Gen 5, while I do Gen 2 and 3.

>>388796968
Gen 4 and 5
Diamond and Pearl
Platinum
HGSS
B/W
B2/W2

>>388796821
PSS and multiplayer, my man. Festival Plaza just doesn't compare when it comes to online.
For single player postgame, all the 3DS titles suck. HGSS is king if you want to play alone or locally with a friend, and Emerald just to play alone.

>>388796805
That was intentional, part of going back to their roots meant having the same number of new Pokemon as was in gen I. For every bad design that gets cherrypicked from newer gens there's one in the older gens as well.

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>>388794560
What are you going on about? Of course they can play against each other just like the previous gens. You just can't do it if the newer games have any new stuff in their party. Just like previous gens.

>>388794560
There's less effort all around in certain aspects. Remember online multiplayer Battle Frontier in PtHGSS? You can't even do online Subway, Maison or Tree in the newer games.

>>388797369
In BW2 and Platinum, new forms will show up as the originals in BW1 and DP. You can battle just fine even using new forms, but you can't trade those forms.

>>388797135
So XY has "amazing postgame" like he said now? I'm getting too old for this finicky ass board.

>>388797369
Pretty sure in Gen IV at least a Pt/HG/SS player with Giratina-O could still use it with its Origin stats. In battle it would only appear as Altered forme though. Then again it's been a while since I've played gen IV heavily, I could be wrong.

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I stopped caring after 6. Something about gen 6 just bothered me. I was so excited for Kalos, a french region to have so much world building and exciting locales to explore, and it's like they didin't even try. They made you constantly revisit lumiose (Which was awful to navigate) and put no effort into any other city other then making it a mandatory roadblocked goalpoint for a badge. It didn't help that anything interesting about Kalos was overshadowed by nostalgia pandering (Giant lucario statue, Mega evolution, etc.)

Team Flare will always upset me most. When they first got leaked everyone thought they were going to be french style mafia like Tema rocket who actually ran an underground syndicate. Instead Nintendo found some way to make them the msot boring team ever by making them kids who signed up for a hipset club with their life savings and for some reason want to end the world even though they don't know why.

FFS, Malva even has control of the entire news network in lumiose AS well as the Elite four, and you choose fucking Lysandere the nutjob to follow instead? Biggest waste of potential ever.

I really wanted Z to happen just so they could've done more

>>388797606
It's amazing if you're into online. If you're more into single player, Emerald has you covered with the Frontier, and for local multiplayer HGSS does too with the co-op Frontier, Pokeathlon and other side content.
There's more than one way for a game to keep you interested, you know that, right?

>>388797135
XY's online battling sucked shit though. The trading was barely above gen 5's too.

Is this Yellow/Crystal/Emerald/Platinum or Black2/White2?

>>388797901
Yellow/Crystal/Emerald minus extra content. It's a "Retelling" of Sun and moon with national pokemon. Story is 100% the same

>>388797812
We were discussing singleplayer content like quests and battle facilities if that wasn't evident by my mention of the UB quest.
He primarily used online to scam people out of
legit shiny Pokemon and event Pokemon with stuff he made with Powersaves and battled only on Showdown, so he sure as shit didn't care about the online.

>>388797972
>Story is 100% the same

>>388797972
>Story is 100% the same
Not confirmed.

>>388796279
>Also, whats so wrong about a JRPG having a good story? Pokemon is a JRPG you know.
Because it usually amounts to you having to follow it from point A directly to point B, restricting any freedom and exploration you may want. It hampers the gameplay and at that point it just becomes a story game with characters you can level.
Just because other JRPGs do it doesn't make it good game design, especially when stories usually do nothing but hamper your gameplay. Some JRPGs that have minimal stories carry on completely fine, like SMT and DQ.

Pokemon is a game about traveling the region, battling and catching Pokemon, filling out the dex and becoming the champion. Being exploration focused and giving players options in progressing would actually help the games more than story ever would. Should there be any story, then keep the cutscenes and scripted dialogue sequences to a minimum and the allow the player to find out more details on the story and world on their own. Adding more story does not make a game good. GF and a lot of JRPG devs don't understand this.

Not that anon btw

>>388783418
>ORAS
>best Pokemon game

nigger it has less content than the original rerelease, Pokemon Emerald lmao

>3ds thread turned into yet another pokemon gen wankery way
May as well pass this thread over to /vp/.

Anyway what 3DS games are you playing lately /v/? Looking forward to?

I've been playing Ever Oasis and the MonHun Stories demo. Some darn good stuff. Need to finish up on ByeBye Box-Boy as well. Anxiously waiting to see what the next Kirby 3DS game is all about, and waiting on the new Layton game.

>>388798126
If you're complaining about the roadblocks, I agree but that doesn't change the story. You could still easily write in B/W's story as is, all you'd have to do is make it so certain events aren't time sensitive, As in Clay's gym and the cold storage, could theoretically be done before say beating Elesa in Nimbasa. The only reason tis linear is ebcause Unova's region is literally a circle.

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Breeding is better in SM though thanks to balltism changes and hyper training making hidden power not a complete pain in the ass.

>>388780743
What about Persona Q 2?

>>388798060
Just stop. People love XY outside of this place and your friend was right, it has amazing postgame (almost number 1 in the franchise) for a first version game (despite not getting a "third" one).

>>388798334
the lack of a "hold right to hatch eggs" path makes me disagree with you

Monster hunter stories will be the best pokmon game to date fuck sun and moon

>>388798634

The autism pit below the nursary is faster anyway, it's less automatic which sucks though.

>>388797812
I feel like too many people forget this and keep parroting that "XY was bad" meme. XY was fucking incredible and had features that rivaled even the most vaunted games in the series. I don't get why people hated it so much yet praise shit like BW that had legitimately near nothing to do after the story and locked people out of using good Pokemon.

>>388797872
There's more to it than your generalizations. Gen VI perfected the multiplayer communication the series has been building up for all this time. First and foremost, you're able to connect online anytime, anywhere, and stay connected. You don't need to go back to a Pokecenter just to do one action, and by staying connected, you could get various requests from all sorts of people even while you breed/play through the story. You can create your own profile and add a message, so people know exactly what you want or are looking for when it comes to trading. Adding to that, the PSS menus are much better than anything implemented before. All your friends and random players show up on a list. People you've interacted with before also show up in their own special tab, so you can add them as a friend or do another task with them. Oh yeah, you can add people as a friend in XY, something new to the franchise, which also got gutted in SM. Wonder Trading made a huge difference too, even if the results are hit-or-miss. Now, breeders can upload their Pokemon to WT and get another mon in return. Sometimes, you could get someone else's breedject, and use that to get a head start when it comes to breeding another mon. The meta thing is all opinions, some prefer Gen IV's, or Gen V's weather wars. I thought XY had power creep, but I'd take it any day over V or VII.

>>388798060
Oh. In that case I don't know what's up with him. There's Emma's Quest, restaurants and the Maison. More than RS, but I wouldn't call it anywhere near as good as Platinum's.

>>388796821
Your friend has good taste, consider consulting him more often. He's certainly smarter than you are in regards to Pokemon games.

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>>388798214
>Waiting on that new Layton game

Don't. As a diehard fan of the LAyton series and everything in it, I have to warn you post haste before you spend your money: Katrielle is not Layton. The cases are very small, contained mini-episodes that can be completed in a matter of minutes, and there is no cohesive overarching narritive, It's horribly jumbled, and all over the place with twists that have legitimate loopholes that aren't even adressed in them.

Worse then this, Are the puzzles. If you're a huge layton fan you'll know Akira died, Well so did the puzzle quality with him. Most of Katrielle's "puzzles" boil down to trick questions that don't give enough information instead of actual solveable riddles, and it gets frustrating because half the time the answer is almost always 0.

Examples:

>Whats the minimum number of times you need to touch the minute hand on a clock to make it say midnight?
>Answer: 0, Just wait

>A fish in an ice block can be preserved for 1 day, 2 for 3 days, and 3 for 5 days. Whats the minimum amount of ice you need to preserve a fish for seven days?
Answer: 0, just put it in a fish tank

I should also note the main Yokai watch writers are behind it, which made it very child-like in humor, one case literally dealing with "Doing a poop"

Be warned at your own disgression. It's nothing like an actual layton game, Go in with the mindset that it's a spinoff, and one that is somehow even less entertaining than Layton Bros.

>>388798750
>I don't get why people hated it so much yet praise shit like BW that had legitimately near nothing to do after the story and locked people out of using good Pokemon.
Different people like different things. I didn't like X/Y in 2013 and I still don't like them today. The region and soundtrack were extremely poor coming off of Gen 5's highs. I don't indulge in multi-player so the PSP instant connection thing didn't do anything for me, aside from fewer button presses needed to hitup the GTS to get opposite version 'mon.

>>388781816
>worst Mario & Luigi
PiT still exists
>worst Yoshi
Yoshi's Island DS still exists
>worst Metroid
I'd hardly count Federation Force as an actual Metroid game.

Anyone have a list of the exclusive 'mons for each version? Kind of feel like playing a new Pokemon game for novelty's sake.

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>>388799189
I will never get this "PIT was bad" meme. It's not the best in the series no, but it had some amazing fights, and some great music and moments for the series. IF anything was mediocre, i'd gladly give that to Dream team for its mandatory Nightmare chunk bits, and Paper jam for its infamous Paper toad hunts. PiT at least lets you progress smoothly without interuption.

>>388798983
>Don't. As a diehard fan of the LAyton series and everything in it, I have to warn you post haste before you spend your money: Katrielle is not Layton. The cases are very small, contained mini-episodes that can be completed in a matter of minutes, and there is no cohesive overarching narritive, It's horribly jumbled, and all over the place with twists that have legitimate loopholes that aren't even adressed in them.
I mean, it can't be any worse than Azran. That game legit sucked. If they're going for a lesser than grand story approach to make amends for the previous clusterfuck, then more power to them.

>>388798805
You don't get it. The feature itself was fine and offered great functionality, but XY's meta was one of the worst it ever got. It was even worse than the fucking weather wars. Even SM, which has way less Pokemon to choose from, has more variety than that shitsack, and the UBs have mostly fallen from grace save for 2 or 3.
The trading barely improved at all from the gen 5 one. Still filled with "lelleleelel can I get a lvl 9 Zekrom pls" and did you forget that every single Mythical still has a massive stock of Pokemon up for impossible trades, every one of them named something like "NIGGERDICK" or "SHIT LOVER" with a nameless trainer? It even cut GTS negotiations in favor of just trainers having to request it manually. It was so far of a step back that the new stuff barely improved it, and that's only if you have personal connection outside of the games to contact people to make use of the friend code bullshit.

>>388799174
>gen 5's highs
What highs? Almost everything it did gen 6 did better.

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>>388781816
>worst Pokemon
Agreed. GBC, GBA and DS era are all better.
>worst Paper Mario
Agreed. Sticker Star is a blight. Color splash was at least tolerable.
>worst 2D Mario
Are we comparing to classics? because thats a no brainer when SMB3 and World exist.
>worst 3D Mario
Compared to consoles, yes. But thats not saying much,
>worst Mario & Luigi
Dream team or Paper jam? Because I agree with Dream team for no other reason than Giant Battles.
>worst Yoshi
I still can't get that awful "music" out of my head to this day.
>worst Pikmin
Haven't palyed Hey pikmin, but seeing as its the only portable pikmin, this isnt very surprsing.
>worst Fire Emblem (at least out of the ones that were released in the West)
Disagree. Despite it's "Waifu fanbase" Awakening was one of the best FE games to release in a long time. Fuck Fates though.
>worst Zelda (although ALBW made up for it)
Disagree because ALBW was an inferior ALTTP in every way possible.
>worst Metroid (although Samus Returns could redeem it)
I wouldn't eeven call FF a metroid game.

Now while I do agree here, DS/3DS have never been praised for their amazing first party. The system excels in third party one offs, and always has.

>>388782215
>The "story is bad xddd " meme
Fuck off, cuck.

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>>388799338
Azran was bad, don't get me wrong. You have no idea how much I absolutely wish Eternal Diva was a game because of how bad Azran was.

But Katrielle is just... really lackluster. Its not simple times like Curious village, its even simpler, and even more Scooby doo mystery kind of solving. Things like finding a lost cat, finding a stolen clock hand, etc. It'd be nice if they were more involved, but the cases are clearly written for kifs, because theres no way you won't see the conclusion and answer in the first two minutes of the case. Nothing is a surprise in that game, and even worse The one question everyone wants answered, gets fucking cliffhangered

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>>388799780 HOLY SHIT SOMEONE ELSE PLAYED THIS GAME.

>>388798805
That's the thing too. His first game was Diamond.
He bought both X and Y, and both of ORAS, but only Sun. His favorite game is Red despite playing it after the gen 4 games.

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>>388799780
>Awakening was one of the best FE games to release in a long time
>Fuck Fates though
Unless you're a storyfag, Fates (at least conquest) is much better than Awakening.

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>>388799780
>>388800000
Sequel never ever.

>>388799725
Are you kidding me? Even Gen 6 had worse roadblocks yet nobody adresses it.

>Gen 5 roadblock
We're dancing right now come back later

>Gen 6 road block
PLAYER, GET OVER HERE AND LOOK AT THIS POKEMON.
>Go to tierno
>HAHA COOL, OH! WHATS THAT! PLAYER COME MEET US OVER ON THE OTHER SIDE OF THE MAP!
>Go to them again
>HEY PLAYER, ELTS HAVE A BATTLE!
>WE'LL BE BEST FRIENDS FOREVER, SEE YOU IN NEXT CITY
>Now you can progress

>>388800000
nice quints

>>388799943
it gets in the way with freedom and exploration so yes its bad

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>>388800000
>>388800050

>>388781816
>worst Pokemon
ORAS is one of the best, despite some shortcomings. SM is decent. Only XY is disappointing.

>worst Zelda (although ALBW made up for it)
>3D Ocarina, 3D Majora's, ALBW
???

>>388800102 Not enough info about the ancient civilization who built the gardens. Guys I think we have a sequel plot on our hands.

>>388780743
Fuck off.
Where's my Pokemon SolarGold and LunarSilver?

>>388796821
Well he's right as far as XY goes, I take it you haven't played them and are just mindlessly repeating /vp/ memes? XY was the best initial version we've ever gotten and people are finally coming out of their little holes that they got shouted into while it was the most active game and expressing this.

>>388799780
>Disagree. Despite it's "Waifu fanbase" Awakening was one of the best FE games to release in a long time. Fuck Fates though.
Despite Fates's bad plot, I thought Conquest side had much better gameplay than Awakening. Seisen no keifu and PoR were the only ones with good plots, honestly.

>>388799943
Story can be fine as long as it doesn't hamper the game. In BW onwards, the shift to plot also made exploration far worse than before. Also, in those games that do focus on storylines, most of them have an option to skip unimportant textdumps and cutscenes, or log it to read later on if there was something you should know.

>>388800169
Both of them have pretty shit-tier roadblocks. Especially BW2, where half the region coincidentally had something going on to prevent you from accessing areas that weren't plot-related. A good chunk of the region was postgame-exclusive for no good reason just because it had no plot relevance.

>>388800254
*Of course I have, it's my favorite game

>>388800169
Different coat of paint on the same thing, one is just more "to the point." Having a slightly less annoying roadblock in a series known for them is nothing significant.

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What went wrong?

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Fuck no, SM were shit and I have no reason to believe USM will be any better given what they've shown. This will be the last good 3DS game that isn't a port. unless they announce Untold 3

>>388799725
Every town had its own unique song. Every town had a unique setpiece, and most had a reason to revisit them. The OST was off the fucking charts. Really strong sprite work. A fuckton of new pokemon you know nothing about and no old familiar ones hanging around to fall back on as a crutch. The overall gamespeed was drastically increased compared to the snail-like Gen 4. So many other large and small things to. XY weren't a step back but more of a sidestep. Just kind of blandly there. They had improvements and nice things about them (which would inevitably get wiped away because Game Freak).

>>388782215
You could modify S/M in pk3DS if your 3ds IS hacked and do shit like increase the levels for difficulty and basically give yourself a challenge.

>>388800009
I can understand why some people might like Gen I the most, even without nostalgia reasons. Everything was pretty blunt and to the point, and you were pretty much on top of the world once you beat Brock. But his reasoning that SM is bad due to the lack of single player postgame, but Red and XY were great confuses me, since it's a complete contradiction.

>>388800213
>>388800329
Pokemon never had freedom and exploration outside of a few areas in Gen 1, and even then, there was a very clear path everyone followed and a very strong focus on story. The games don't need "freedom" either, as story heavy games are always better with more well though out content since devs know where the player is going to go.

Take off your nostalgia googles, stop wishing for pokemon to be something it has never been and fuck off with your "story is bad" meme. SM has problems but story isn't one of them,

>>388800434
Her character was meant to be a sympathetic villain, yet came off as a bit stupid and hypocritical without ever really seeming like an actual villain. She wasn't the worst Pokemon's had, but she really needed some tweaks to make her into a character that met what they were trying to do. In fact she even had some really great moments. They were just overshadowed by her bad moments. Honestly though I didn't mind her existence though given the Rayquaza/Deoxys part.

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>The argument here is that pokemon got more linear

Am I missing something here? pokemon was always linear, the only variety in path you have is in the middle,

>Pewter
>Cerulean

Then from there its either
>Vermillion
>Saffron
>Celadon
>Lavender
>
Then its straight back to
>Fuschia
>Cinabar
>Vridian
>Victory road
>Indigo Plateau

Its literally the same thing, the only freedom is choosing one of two gyms to visit first. Since you need certain things to even get into Silph co to even get into Sabrina's gym

Do you guys actually believe the 3DS is almost dead? Will Nintendo release a new handheld next year?

Will it be a 3DS Successor or will it be a Switch Mini?

>>388800825

Gen 8 is already confirmed for the switch soooooo

>>388800742
In every game up until Gen IV, there were areas that allowed you to traverse the world without any plot getting in the way. Platinum, the newest non-remake games before BW, had this in Hearthome. Right after going through Fantina's gym, you can go all the way to Pastoria and back again without anything getting in your way. In BW, on the other hand, every route or location is blocked off until you get through the current story-related problem.

>>388781816
On the bright side it did give us Stella Glow.

>>388798334
Hyper training doesn't help with getting the right hidden power. Letting you check IVs from the pc is helpful for hidden power breeding though.

>>388800729
Well I can probably say (with just a little doubt) that he likes Red because he's a massive GOfag, like I said initially, and dismisses its flaws with age.
Pretty sure he dismissed SM's because he immediately stopped after catching one Buzzwole.
But Idk, that's his thing. He says Red and XY were his favorites, pretty much ignores BW/BW2, and dislikes SM.

>>388800825
I'm personally upset to see DS die. Dual screens adds another perspective to gaming that allowed for interesting new ideas and inovations that can't eb done properly on one screen
>TWEWY
>999

Both of these games lost their points with their inevitable remakes due to lack of second screen. Solo remix turned your second screen into a tappable pin, completely killing the syncro puck system and the duality theme, and 999's remakes killed the second screen "player" functionality that was helping akane, killing the entire main twist of the series with it.

>>388800887
>Dude, you can go to another city is you completely ignore the story, the level curve and what the characters explicitly tell you to do
>But it totally counts even though 99.9% of players didn't follow that path
Kill yourself. Linear paths like in Platinum, BW and subsequent games are always better.

>>388800978

Yes it does, it lets you get away with only worrying about HP I.V wise and then fixing the stat. That's how I finally got a legit HP Fire Magnezone, I just bred for HP Fire and nature then HT the fucker.

>>388800825
>Do you guys actually believe the 3DS is almost dead?
It is don't lie to youself
>Will Nintendo release a new handheld next year?
No, Pokemon Gen 8 is coming to the Switch and the Switch can already be use as some kind of Handheld so the 3DS will be known as the last dedicated Handheld console ever.
>Will it be a 3DS Successor or will it be a Switch Mini?
No to the two of them
>>388801073
I'm personaly glad, i've been waiting for handhelds to die since Smartphones became a thing

1993 here.

DS games are all that matter to me anymore. Platinum, HGSS, B/W/2 and PMD2 are the only pokemon games I need to have on me and replay indefinitely.


RBY/GSC/RSE were good for their time, but I don't need to obsess over 20+ Pokemon RPGs anymore.

>>388801375
>believing there won't be a 3DS successor

>also believing there won't be a Switch Mini

pick one, retard.

>>388801109
>>Dude, you can go to another city is you completely ignore the story, the level curve and what the characters explicitly tell you to do
There was nothing plot-related telling you about the specifics on where to go in any of these "sequence break" moments. In GSC, nobody's telling you to go one way or another, so Mahogany and Cianwood are both something you can choose to tackle. If you wanted to, you could save Chuck for later, too. In RSE, your only task is to deliver Steven's letter. You do so, and are then able to go to Slateport. You're able to fight Brawly later/have to, since plot-wise he wants 4 badges from you. He never told you to go in that order. In Platinum, nobody tells you about anything when it comes to exploring locations. Even though Pastoria Gym is closed, you're able to get into the location, marsh and Trophy Garden before even taking on Maylene. In two of these cases, the game was designed around letting the player making these decisions, no trainer is overpowered or underpowered if you choose to take a side-path or do one thing before the other.
Why are you so heated about this, anyway?

>>388800486
The OST was terrible outside of battle themes. Locking me out of stuff I wanted to use instead of knockoffs and literal garbage was a shitty decision. Gen 5 had bar none the worst sprites, especially the moving ones. XY let me use all the good pokemon instead of the garbage and knockoff clones, used their low number of new ones in a very effective way (e.g. instead of flooding it with ugly, crappy stats bug types they just consolidated it into one decent bug that gave you a reason to trade), the OST was less varied but higher in quality, and the models were nice and fresh after all these gens of sprites. It wasn't perfect but it was almost on par with some third versions.

>>388801375
now this is some shit opinion!

>>388801375
Why? Smart phones don't offer the same experience. I personally despise phone gaming because its clunk and touch based capacitive controls are cancer incarnate. Two screens and pen based gameplay is comf yot just sit down and enjoy in your chair with a good cup of coffee. My only regret was that Nintendo never made a DS player despite the Wii-U being the perfect excuse for it.

>>388801109
Speak for yourself autist, I always did those paths in any pokemon game.
The games have THE best replayability of all time, and with different optional routes it got even better. Now it's always a chore to replay the same fucking bullshit story with 0 plot development for ages.

>>388798356
I'm happy we're getting another EO style mapping game aside from EOV.

>>388801507
>>believing there will be a 3DS successor
Hahahaha
>>388801610
Smartphones are shit no doubt about it but i want Home Consoles to be the only way to play Vidya.

>>388801639
>I always did those paths in any pokemon game.
The only autist here is you buddy. Almost nobody goes through those paths, this is a fact, it also doesn't add replay value, as one path is always the best one.

>>388801521
>Gen 5 had bar none the worst sprites, especially the moving ones.
Are you speaking only of pokemon sprites? Some of those were indeed eh. But I really liked the people sprites (overworld and in-battle) along with general scenery things and such.

>>388801519
Not even the guy you're replying to but you are rememebring some things entirely wrong sir.
>Old man in cherry grove (Cant progress until meeting mr pokemon)
>Azelea's exit is walled off by your rival
>Ecruteak is walled off until visiting burned tower and talking with eusine
>Ecruteak is physically walled off from mahogany by requiring surf and the means to get it (Chuck)
>Blackthorne/Ice cave is walled off by Team rocket until completing the lake of rage/rocket HQ
>Blackthorne gym is walled off until completing Dragon's den and speaking to clair

You don't have anywhere near the freedom you boast in GSC. Try playing the game again instead of letting your nostalgia talk. And this coming from someone who plays them religiously once a year.

>>388788524
>my second time around I put xp share on to save time and was always 4-5 levels ahead of any other trainer and by the time i got to the E4 I was 10 lvls over.
Bull fucking shit. I was 15 levels under on my first playthrough the exp share on. You were fucking grinding like a faggot.

>>388786425
Gen 3 was weak af but don't let the memetards and hipsters hear you say it

>>388801846
Half of the scenery elements were models.

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>>388780743
>mfw it dies and dragon quest monsters 3 never gets NA localization

>>388801871
>Try playing the game again instead of letting your nostalgia talk.
Reminder: G/S hit the 3DS VC in a few weeks.

I think'll we'll soon hear some tunes a changin' regarding those 'classics'.

>>388801983
Actually, they weren't. Everything in Gen V is dimensionalized spriting to look 3D. It's raised sprites on layers and levels to form a 3D object, not a model.

>>388798214
What'd you expect with a thread that is made with a Pokemon image and a question about buying it?
I love 3DS threads but it was pretty clear this is a Pokemon thread right off the bat.

Anyway I just started Ever Oasis. Haven't been able to come up with a name for my seedling.

>>388801871
Reread my post before claiming someone's a nostalgiafag. Cianwood and Mahogany are both something you can choose to do after you beat Morty. I didn't say anything about Cherrygrove, Azalea, or Blackthorne. Also, you've got plenty of facts wrong. Cianwood is where Chuck is, Mahogany is where the LoR and Rocket battles are, along with Pryce.

>>388801176
I understand what you mean about not having to worry about whether another stat is low or high, but you still have to breed for the hidden power itself regardless of what the exact IVs are for the non-HP stats.

>>388802123
That explains why it looks so terrible compared to previous sprite based games.

>>388802186
> Also, you've got plenty of facts wrong. Cianwood is where Chuck is, Mahogany is where the LoR and Rocket battles are, along with Pryce.

I never said they weren't, But you seem to be under the impression you can just go to mahogany before Cianwood which is entirely false. Cianwood is needed to allow you to use Surf, which is needed to cross the water to get to mahogany. You can't just go to Mahogany without first completing Olivine/Cianwood. Which is linear in progression.

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>>388802334
Yes, you can. It is Morty's gym that lets you get Surf, and in doing so, Cianwood and the Lake of Rage both open up at the same time. Because of that, you can choose to take on the Lake of Rage, Rocket Base, and Pryce before doing Chuck.
For someone who plays it annually, you're mistaken on a lot of things.

>>388800000
Trip quints not wasted.

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>>388780969
this
i was really hyped for sun and moon but the amount of small problems the game had just kept compounding until it quickly became one of my least favorite entries in the series, USUM arent giving me reasons to be hyped
>possibly interesting plot dropped like a brick for a generic o so tragic story
>most new/interesting mons are 1% finds in remote locations
>pokemon with interesting abilities/moves that were hyped up really hard ended up being mostly shit
>a lot of the alola mons were absolute wastes of space, or in the case of marowak and a few others, completely eclipsing their original variants
>the difficulty is far too easy for even a pokemon game
>it isnt until endgame where people have more than 3 pokemon
>z moves just make a fight tedious rather than challenging because you just need something to tank what is basically a hyper beam
>ultra beasts had no main story relevance except nihilego, the rest are shoveled into a postgame sidequest which has an interesting story but is literally "throw these balls at pokemon with 255 catch rates"
>ultra beasts being catchable ended up detracting from their cool factor of being strange alien boss enemies
>first things showed in USUM is the boxart legends in an armor mode with necrozma
>the actual first real info is fucking ash-lycanroc which isnt even obtainable via normal means
>the only other thing we've seen is that kommo-o has a unique z move
>this is all we know from a game thats releasing in a few months
why should i, the consumer, be excited for the game when it looks to be an even more gimped third version? there wont be a battle frontier, there arent any new alola forms yet, the only new forms we've seen are for a shitmon and the boxarts. so far theres no reason for me to get this game and its disappointing me as a diehard fan of the series

>>388802334
>Cianwood is needed to allow you to use Surf
You can't get to Cianwood without surfing.

>>388801734
I don't because Arcade and Point and clicks don't survive on consoles anymore unless they're Fighting games.

Games like Ace Attorney, Layton, Hotel Dusk, Ghost trick, Picross, Meteos, And most 2D platformers would not survive in the console market due to length, graphic capability, and price. Nobody would pay $60 for another Castlevania game if it was only 5 hours long and 2D graphics on something like PS4. Handhelds exist to give that niche a way to flourish, because Console is overdominated with FPS, 3D action, 3D platform, and RPGs.

>>388802913
Yup. I mean dualscreen stuff got severely nerfed on the 3DS, but it still had some good used. Going to miss this kind of handheld and the games, and gameplay enchancements, they brought.

good. 3DS had its life, now it's Switches turn. goodbye 240p screens

>>388803334
>Implying switch is a substitute handheld

Theres nothing handheld about the thing. I tried to take it with me to work once and its too clunky and fat to fit into anything but a pre-designated carrying case like a fucking purse. It might as well just stay at home on its dock, it looks better on a big screen TV anyways.

Pokémon always was a linear series with only one gym being skipeable once and a while, at least till you need to beat one gym to be able to use that HM or go for E4, whoever you still could explore stuff between PointA to PointB. For example on RBY after you got surf and the 5th badge you could go to seafoam and catch articuno or the power plant and go for Zapdos, GSC had swarm pokemons so it gave reason to go back to some routes and explore more to get some rare pokés and the unown ruins if you like some lore, RS you could go diving, to the shoal cave, meteor falls, abandoned ship and in emerald you could get Rayquaza and Nuke the E4, in DP and Platinum there were a lot of places to explore like the chateau, that cave with gibles, iron island and the gen unown ruins, BW I felt linear like It made sure you saw almost everything the game had before post-game it didn't felt like a adventure more like a normal RPG, BW 2 though corrected a lot of those flaws, story took a dive but improved on the other issues but all those roadblocks diminished a part of the exploration till post-game. Then came XY who brought a lot of issues BW had but worse like revolving the game's plot around the gen gimmick the Megas, lots of friends stopping you a lot of times, lack of exploration making sure you saw everything the game had and like only the surfing spots and terminus cave left to explore like it didn't felt like an adventure it felt more like a generic RPG plot, then came SM which got a story but its not about your journey its all about Lily from start to finish and all you had at the end is Poni roads to Battle tree with only those sidequest like the eevolutions trainers, UB hunting and GL comptitions I guess. I hope the USM have a good amount of post-game content or at least more places to explore because SM really felt more like Early-Access beta testing bullshit rather than a full game.