>dude altruism lmao

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>>388755116
>dude feminine penis lmao

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>>388755116
>dude individualism lmao

>>388755116
Fuck you I liked the game.

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>games believes that altruism exists in biology

>>388755574
>what is a parent-child relationship

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>>388755574
>anon thinks he knows shit about anything

>>388755767
>what are endorphins, structure in life, responsibility, and the otherwordly pain of losing a child

>>388755116
Kill yourself you dirty commie.

>>388755419
>create a game criticizing objectivism and free market capitalism.
>the event that destroyes rapture is Ryan Nationalizing his competitor's assets

Really moves my marbles.

>>388756051
>communism is bad
I hate this meme

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>>388755941
>none of those things exist in biology, but they exist in biological creatures known as human beings

>>388755574
What is being a pack animal

>>388756130
>defending totalitarian regime responsible for more death than muh Nazi's and the plague epidemic tenfold
Fucking communist pigs should be hanged.

>>388756159
...what?
I was making the point that the parent-child bond still stems out of a need to acquire pleasure and avoid pain. The pleasure being the joy of raising a child (all parents will tell you that it outweighs the cons) and the pain being the unspeakable feeling of losing or hurting a child, or the social and legal fallout from being recognized as a bad parent

Is there an appropriate virgin and chad meme for the Bioshock games?

>>388756349
>he thinks that was real communism
Wew lad, read some fucking Marx

>>388756130
>dude what if we rewarded shitty behavior by stealing from successful people at the point of a gun.

>>388756238
>being surrounded by able-bodied companions that will help you hunt and fend off predators isn't in your best interest

>>388756449
>it wasnt real communism meme

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>>388756449

>>388756449
>i-it wasn't real c-c-communism y-you guys, it hasn't been done y-yet for realizes
All you pinko commie fucks deserve to have your guts strewn on a flagpole and left there to be pecked at by birds.

>>388756630
>>388756651
>>388756678
>it's really this easy
Why do I even come here anymore

>>388756596
Redistribution is not theft, it is giving money to people who need it more, it's more like charity.

>>388756742
Fuck off to leftypol then you subhuman communist faggot.

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>>388756742

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Where is /v/?

>>388756381
>I was making the point that the parent-child bond still stems out of a need to acquire pleasure and avoid pain.
That's not a point backed up by anything in reality as most animals operate altruistically towards their offspring despite not having conceptualizations of what pleasure and pain are. They don't even have thinking capabilities in order to weigh the pros and cons of having offspring.

What societal and legal obligations do animals have for raising their babies? They don't have societies, they propagate themselves because they're DNA based lifeforms like ourselves.

>>388756760
>it is giving money to people who need it more
Humans and societies are infinitely complex entities that can be compared to eachother in billions of ways
Who gets to decide who gets the money and why?
Why would anyone feel any motivation to do great work if there is no hierarchy to climb?

>>388756449
Please tell me how real communism will distribute according to each's need without a totalitarian state.

Pro tip, you can't because people who actually like being productive don't like having their shit stolen.

>>388756791
>>388756842
I wasn't the one who baited, fellas. I'm just a disappointed onlooker.

>>388756760
Why do you need what I have? What right do you have to the property of others? You know you have to articulate your reasoning, right?

Why should everyone have the same amount of money when there is no correlation between wealth and happiness once you have an adequate living wage?

>>388756858
All over the place, because I can form opinions, not just biases.

>>388756760
>if I steal your car and give it to my poor friends it's charity.
You do realize that people are still charitable even if you don't point a gun at them

>>388756858
Tests keep putting me just a bit below where "activism" is on that chart

>>388756950
>>388756953
>>388757019
>Who gets to decide who gets the money and why?
The government will, through the will of the people of course.
>Why would anyone feel any motivation to do great work if there is no hierarchy to climb?
No one really works to gain money, that's just a capatlistic distortion. We work because we love to work. It doesn't matter what position we're in or what we're doing. Competition is unfair towards people who can't compete.
>>388757204
That is a distortion of what Communism is.

>>388755116
The word you're looking for is "Collectivism". Also it isn't about that, just like Bioshock wasn't about "Objectivism".

>>388757301
>No one really works to gain money
lol

>>388757203
>believing a human being can be unbiased

>>388757360
They don't, they work for the joy of helping their fellow man

>>388756858
Majority of /v/eddit is bottom left considering you can't have any good, racist bantz on this board anymore even though this site as a whole has proudly made fun of niggers since 2005.

>>388757301
>No one really works to gain money, that's just a capatlistic distortion.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'll tell your boss not to consider you for the next raise

>>388757365
>believing I didn't type "not just"

>>388756997
>I'm just a disappointed onlooker.
Then stay that way instead of posting useless garbage with no correlation to the thread.
>Who gets to decide who gets the money and why?
>The government will, through the will of the people of course.
You are naive to think that would ever happen the way you are imagining.
>No one really works to gain money,
That's the only reason why I work.

>>388756082
it wasn't supposed to criticize objectivism. it was just a neat setting for a game. nerds on the internet decided to make it ""deeper"" than it was.

>>388757332
yeah it's not like we need money or value to get the things we need or want or anything. barter systems totally weren't around before evil capitalists with their top hats and big wallets

>>388757462
forget second link
>>388757301

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>>388757394
>>388757462
You only think this way because of all the money being stolen by the 1%, if we all had a living wage we would still work because it's ingrained in us.

>>388757301
>no one works to gain money
If you never got rewarded and compensated at the end of your time and use of your skills it wouldn't be called work you dribbling, retarded pinko fuck. God how I wish to hunt you faggots down and ship you out to true commie made shitholes.

>>388757301
>We work because we love to work.
I have never seen anybody so wrong in my entire life.

We evolved to do the absolute bare minimum in order to survive and propagate. That is an inherent part of our genetic makeup. If you're handed the ability to live without putting in anything, then most people will do nothing. There are outliers, and some will compete for social standing or power, but most people will take the handout if they are unable to compete.

>>388757301
Nobody works to gain money, but they do use money to produce new things and improve on old ones. Why the fuck should people who know nothing about most industies be allowed to regulate then through force?

>that's not real communism because I don't like how it sounds

>>388757608
>if we all had a living wage we would still work because it's ingrained in us.
No. You are stupid and generalizing a wide margin of people. I would waste my time on the beach if I never had to worry about a living wage.

>>388756381
You need to learn more about neurology and biology in general, you're right that altruism as it's usually defined isn't the basis for most parent-child relationships but pain and pleasure or the mitigation of it aren't the sole causes for taking after your children. It's different processes in the mind and body that make up an actual parental instinct. It's even a stress response for female primates, when a mother feels threatened the female counter-part to "fight or flight" kicks in, called "tend and befriend" where she's actually hardwired to make sure the kids are okay and try to get help. Instinct and responses like that can better explain why we take care of children we consciously or subconsciously see as our own.

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>>388757549
Alright, and your point in relation to anything relevant to my post, or the OP is what exactly?

>>388757686
>If you're handed the ability to live without putting in anything, then most people will do nothing
Then why the fuck do we play video games when we're bored. We need tons of work/competition-like stimuli to "do nothing".

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>>388755116
>dude I only like games if they talk about an ideology that I agree with

>>388757608
>muh 1%
>Pajeet running the Wal-Mart down the street wants to board money for himself
Kill yourself

>>388756082

The idea was that Ryan was a broken man that got played at his own game, and couldn't stay true to his ideals.

>>388757624
>>388757704
>>388757706
>>388757949
You simple minded idiots are why Bernie lost

>>388756858
British Liberal.

>>388757578

fuck off nigger

>>388758005
Bernie lost because the DNC kicked him out for being an unaffiliated kooky socialist.

>>388758072
how very dare you

>>388757549

Bioshock was about how extreme ideologies are bad.

Objectivism, Collectivism and Nationalism

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>>388757392
It was never serious.

>>388758072
He's right though

>>388758005
That jew lost because he was a spineless communist faggot much like yourself. The day """""'socialism"""""" which is just pseudo communism is the day the United States goes to another Civil War.

>>388757889
Labor =/= Entertainment.

>>388758005
wew lad.

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>>388758168
>>388758005
>>388757949
>>388757889
>>388757730
This is not video games.

>>388758207
>extreme ideologies
Define what makes an ideology extreme.

>>388758207
Nationalism on its own is not an extreme ideology by any stretch of the imagination.

>>388758293

Building a city underwater or building one in the sky so you can practice it with "purity"

>>388758279
>you can't talk about the messages and themes of video games

>>388758207
>Nationalism
>extreme

>>388758323
>>388758423
If Nationalim isn't extreme then why are European countries removing it

>>388758323
>>388758423

I'm not saying that Nationalism itself is extreme. But comstock had taken it to it's extremes.

>>388758423
None of them are talking about the message of the game. They're talking about communism and one guy is false flagging for sick (You)s.

>>388758252
he's not and that very much hurts my feelings

>>388758258
>Labor =/= Entertainment.
Labor doesn't always equal entertainment but labor can equal entertainment. There isn't any hard barrier between those.

The problem is that labor nowadays depending on the country does worse job or has more downsides at stimulating the brain than other activities. Desk jobs are hardly interesting, but some people make their entertainment activities into labor. We're in a way biologically hardwire to do something with ourselves but the problem is that the contemporary world makes it so that doing something with ourselves isn't always useful.

>>388758538
>if trees aren't bad why are we cutting down the Amazon rainforest
:^)

>>388758568
And Communism and Libertarianism play huge roles in the fucking story you unbelievable retard. Thanks for bumping the thread I guess.

>>388758538
Because the EU is a facist regime that is trying to quietly kill the native peoples by importing millions of uneducated, unskilled hordes of savages who breed like vermin. All under the guise of "preventing another world war" of course.

>>388758810
>the EU is a facist regime
opinion discarded

>>388758367
Turning everyone into goo to pump into a singular vessel is another great example of maybe being a little extreme.

>>388758771
No, actually they don't. Collectivism =/= Communism/Libertarianismm.

>>388758848
>arresting citizens for thought crimes and threatening countries that defy the status quo of subhumans
Hmm....

>>388758953
Actually they do and it really seems like you don't know what you're talking about. I'm not saying collectivism = Communism/Libertarianism, nice strawman.

>>388758994
Doesn't happen

>>388758848
>reprimanding and punishing nation states that don't tow the line
>not fascist
Germany is the de-facto leader of the EU and it seems like they didn't shake off their shit since 45.

>>388759063
Then what do they have to do with the game? Because besides Ryan being pissy about them, they aren't ever brought up.

>>388758627
>There isn't any hard barrier between those.
No but a distinction should be made that when an anon says most people would do nothing and another counters with video games; productivity was the underlining theme. Like you said, many jobs most people ONLY do out of necessity. 90% percent of all retail workers would not be working there if they didn't have too.

>>388759189
Are you fucking ignoring the entire part where Ryan creates Rapture to be a Libertarian paradise where you can splice your DNA until you go crazy and tear everything down?

>what is class-divide

Fuck you for making me reply, this is your last (You)

>>388757392
>this site as a whole has proudly made fun of niggers since 2005.

Because it was a joke. Nobody took that shit seriously like half of you fuckers do now

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>>388759438
>nobody took that seriously but half of you did

>>388759176
You sign on to the EU, you abide by its laws. What are you, a brexiter?

>>388759276
Yes, but the point is that we are hardly evolved to do the absolute minimum when for example games like basketball are still played for entertainment and they are hardly good for energy saving. I am not defending some commie shitposting but rather saying that we aren't made to just lie down once we've provided ourselves with food and water.

>>388759372
For some reason my brain flat lined and filled in Libertarianism and Liberalism, but that still doesn't explain what discussing Communism has to do with Bioshock.

>>388759519

Learn your tenses anon

>>388757203
>all over the place, because I have absolutely zero principles and lack a consistent reasoning behind my beliefs.

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>>388759521
My mistake, just the half of the people you happen to not be involved with are nobodies! Haha, thanks for the help anon!

>>388759756
>My mistake, just the half of the people you happen to not be involved with are nobodies! Haha, thanks for the help anon!
meant for>>388759658

>>388759590
Did you not just say that Andrew Ryan is a character who spergs out about Socialism and Communism? I think your brain has been flatlining this entire time.

>>388759679
Or adhering to a singular dogma on all things is fucking stupid and you should look at each situation and form your own opinions based on the evidence available to you, rather than simply giving up and letting your opinions be dictated by a group's consensus because you feel like you're a part of that group.

>>388759546
> but rather saying that we aren't made to just lie down once we've provided ourselves with food and water.
You are still taking what he said to literally at the point of twisting what was said. How we were brought up was to survive and procreate, that is our biological function. There isn't some factor in genetics that makes the need to work/be productive to society outside of those last two parameters that were set. If we completely fulfill those needs and make it so we no longer NEED to work in order to survive and procreate, then there isn't some genetic need for us to suddenly do labor for the betterment of society or because we enjoy it.

This has nothing to do with states of boredom or the likes.

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>>388760215
>Or adhering to a singular dogma on all things is fucking stupid and you should look at each situation and form your own opinions based on the evidence available to you
Forming your own opinions is always good, right? Even if they're bad opinions. No anon.

>>388755767
a propagation strategy
Some organisms have tons of spawn which will sink or swim, and some have only a few but the parent makes greater measures to make sure it survives and propagates further

>>388759859
no you retard learn to read, he clearly said that in early 4chan history making fun of niggers was a joke, but fastforward to (current year) half of you faggots are legitimately racist.

>>388756082
it was actually the jews who revolutionized the lower class only to send the upper and middle class into panic mode so they could sell dangerous weapons to them wich ended up fucking up their brains and dna

>>388756742
>merely pretending
Smuganimegirl.jpg

>>388760560
But it's not a joke, we make fun a niggers because they're niggers.

>>388760116
Ryan also talks about how he hates vacations. Talking about vacations would have equal relevance to Bioshock and have just as much to do with video games.

>>388760215
How are you going to look at the "evidence" for
"What are the rights of man?"
"What is property?"
"What are acceptable uses of violence?"
"Do the needs of many outweigh the needs of one, and to what degree?"

Not to mention the complete folly of trying to apply evidence to political questions, as if you can create laboratory conditions and control variables. You cannot have valid political opinions without a logical framework.

>>388760274
>There isn't some factor in genetics that makes the need to work/be productive to society outside of those last two parameters that were set. If we completely fulfill those needs and make it so we no longer NEED to work in order to survive and procreate, then there isn't some genetic need for us to suddenly do labor for the betterment of society or because we enjoy it.
I am not taking anything too literally.
>We evolved to do the absolute bare minimum in order to survive and propagate
Are words that have nothing to do with actual betterment of society but rather just pure energy expenditure.

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>>388760560
Is it racist to point out that blacks disproportionately commit more violent crime? Take a look at this for example. According to this chart: 1.04% of the entire African American population has assaulted a white person, where'as .04% of the entire white population has assaulted a black person.

Why are black people 26 times more likely to assault whites? Again, this is BJS statistics that are readily available.

>>388760562
>it was actually the jews
Is there anything you people won't blame on the jews? There's one (1) in bioshock, and she just wanted to do genetic research.

>>388760714
Communism has more to do with the themes of the game by being a close to almost anthesis to the "paradise utopia" that Rapture was than vaccinations.

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>>388758293

>Define what makes an ideology extreme.

Generally when they include things like half-pipes and the necessity of protective gear to be worn during participation.

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>>388756858

>>388761081
Did you play the game?

>>388760983
No you are still twisting the meaning. Commie Anon said that even with a living wage people will still work as it is hard-coded into their genetics. Other anon said no, the reason we worked was to fufill those two basic parameters of surviving and eating. There is no seperate genetic function that makes us want to do labor for societry like Commie Anon was implyinging.

When he said we'd sit around and do nothing, he didn't literally mean we'd all just lay on our beds forever, he was talking purely from a productivity in society stance.

I'll finish with an analogy of what anon was saying before I finish discussing as this is going nowhere but me reiterating myself. Cavemen didn't hunt animals because they thought it was hardwired into their genetics, they did it to get food. If they readily had the food available all the time, a good portion of cavemen would stop hunting as there is no need. That isn't to say they would stop doing other things all together, just that there would be no genetic impulse to keep hunting.

>>388760846
I can look at what sort of abuses appear when certain rights are not present or introduced.
I can look at the general living conditions as it relates to property law in a given nation.
I can look at what outcomes what applications of government sanctioned violence has lead to.

And that's to say nothing of the fact that I may feel one way about one issue, such as say, "I feel government oversight on day care centers is wrong, because government doesn't have the right to dictate how someone raises their children", but I could also say "I feel that the government should provide universal health care, because I feel the right to live supersedes the rights of personal property", and these would not be mutually exclusive ideas. One's values do not fit neatly into one of four baskets, they are dependant upon the issue in question, because the world is remarkably complex, and it is idiotic to think that a singular approach to all things is either the most efficient or morally correct thing to do.

>>388756858
Libertarian Capitalism.

>>388761307
Don't answer a question with a question. Rapture's biggest problems were Ryan not playing by his own rules and abusing his power giving Fontaine the opportunity to move the people against him. And Sinclair offering dangerous weapons and addictive substances to the citizens free of charge, with the assumption that they'd buy more.

>>388756858
>Nationalist
>one block over I'm Totalitarianist

lol

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>>388756858

Was here, getting there

Hippity hoppity, get off my civil liberties and leave me alone you leftist faggots.

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>come here for having a comfy thread about the best Bioshock

>Muh commie
>Muh extreme nationalism don't exist

>>388761964
if you played the game you would know hçwhat imm talking about
sorry, i dont owe an explanation to someone stupid enough to talk out of his ass

>>388762428
2016 election was a mistake./pol/ thinks they can post anywhere now.

>>388762428
/Bioshock 2 General/ when?

>>388761771
>because government doesn't have the right to dictate how someone raises their children
Until someone starts beating their children right? Since
> because I feel the right to live supersedes the rights of personal property

They aren't dogmatic baskets anon. They are general guidelines of what style of approach and ideas you hold. The way you are phrasing it you would still pretty neatly fit into one of those 'baskets' as you like to call it. You can't be both a National Communist and a Ultra-Anarchist. You can take ideas from both and meld them into you own worldview, but that doesn't mean you are on both of those points on the chart, it means you are somewhere else on the chart that exemplifies that mindest.

>>388762507
Giving up already bitch? Fuck outta here

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>>388762507
Got it you're a retard.

>>388762757
There is a dude on steam who keeps Bioshock 2 MP alive

>>388761964
Fontaine was slowly beating Ryan at his own game as well. I'm not saying Ryan wasn't a hypocrite, but staying the course would have lead to Fontaine's victory as sure as going full retard.

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>>388762428
>come into a thread anbout a political video game
>complains about political discussion
Only kind of politics on /v/ that should be allowed tb.h.

>>388763480
Ryan still would have had his place on the Council, and what would he have really lost anyway, besides not being able to get in on the plasmid market?

>>388757392
You are stupid, nothing on that graph has nothing to do with racism.

>>388763909
Fontaine's goal was explicitly to take total control of Rapture. With the Plasmid market under his control, he would have the entire city addicted to his product. There would have been nothing Ryan could do to stop him in that situation.

And that's kind of the point. Fontaine is meant to be the final evolution of Ryan's Objectivist utopia, hence turning into a literal golden Atlus for the final boss.

>>388757301
Why don't you kill yourself

>>388761019
Hilarious joke anon! I really don't miss pre2010 4chan when someone could say nigger without having to worry about some idiot replying with an image of a chart and a dry lecture!

>>388765415
nigger

>>388765415
Can I not be at least a little angry over the fact that this particular race commits a disproportionate amount of crime, and would that make me a racist?

>>388758208
Who's the tranny with the nigger, and why would you post this on 4chan? Maybe go back to /leftypol cuck

>>388755308
Did she ever get her ayy lmao's out on cam in the end?

>>388755116
Is Bioshock 2 worth playing?

>>388766905
Probably

>>388766905
Yes

i hate all of you fucking niggers
>>388766905
Yes, its better than infinite

>>388766905
Yes. The gameplay improvements are so good, it'll ruin BS1 for you though.

>hacking that takes forever and makes the game come to a screeching halt
>awkwardly switching between weapons and plasmids

>>388766905
It's the only good Bioshock.

Bioshock 2 is the only game ever made about protecting your daughter from a bunch of drug-addicted communists

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>another Bioshock thread
>another lack of mentions for Minerva's Den

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>>388767482
Lies.

>>388767037
>>388767115
>>388767272
>>388767365
>>388767382
guess i made the right decision when i bought The Collection on steam then

>>388755116
>Dude don't be an asshole lmao
Too hard...

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Best ending was neutral sacrifice, prove me wrong.

>But father, wherever you are
>
>
>
>I miss you

>>388767920
>when i bought the collection
You really shouldnt even bother with infinite