MGS1 = Gene MGS2 = Meme MGS3 = Scene MGS4 = Sense PW = Peace MGSV = ?

>>388754367
unfinished

>>388754498
FPBP

RACE

>>388754367
Lene Cuisine

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>>388754367
Innocence

>>388754367
Phantoms or maybe Revenge

>>388754367
>MGS4 = Sense
More like Shit

>>388754367
Race/Revenge

>>388754367
PARASITES

>>388754367
the theme shit doesn't work at all. by MGS3 it no longer made sense. what the fuck does "scene" mean? sense? peace is okay but you can tell they were trying too hard at the start to make them sound similar.

>>388754367
DANK

>MGS2 is literally a meme game

>>388755067
Scene meant the area/climate where events occur.

>>388755320
but how does that fit into the theme of the game? the actual theme of the game is loyalty. unless it's referencing the fact that the game makes you adjust to your environments, but that's just gameplay, not the theme of the story

>>388755108
>Kojima invented memes years before moot

>>388755108
It's a game about meme.
I can write a post about dumb shitposting and that wouldn't turn what I say into a shitpost, you know.

>>388754367
Too many.
Revenge/Loss/Peace

>>388755696
Ask Kojimbo, I just know why Scene is what it is for MGS3.

>>388756056
i only realized that after reading your post again. well thanks for the info. kojima is kind of retarded though.

The wiki offers three possibilities for MGSV's theme (race, revenge, and pain) and all of them require quite a bit of reaching to make them fit. That speaks volumes about how poorly conceived MGSV was.

>>388756503
MGS 4 is a bigger reach

>>388754962
This

No other discussion

>>388756164
He's always been retarded. Just been given more reach which makes the retardation more apparent.

>>388755064
WOLBACHIA

>>388756503
I think Race was supposed to be the main thing, considering how much the game talks about how soldiers comes from so many different places, how it influences them, how it changes how they fight, and how Skullfaces' plan is to stop English from homogenizing different cultures.

Kojima being Kojima, I think he just equates Race=culture/nationality.

>1964
>1974
>1984
>1995
>1999
>2005
>2008
>2014
Explain the inconsistent time gaps, /v/

>>388756720
It's race as in arms race

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>>388754367
Phoneme

>>388754367
Kojima first said it was Race which fits with the theme. Later back tracked it to Revenge, probably due to all the cut content making the Race theme not making sense. Unless Kojima is stupid enough to think language = race.

LOVE

>>388756916
He is. That's the entire message I got from PW/GZ/TPP anyway.

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MGSV=MGSunVinished

>>388755696
MGS3 mixed up the SCENE of the series. MGS prior had always been about indoor sneaking missions, MGS3 brought outdoor environments to the table.

>>388756830
bad writing

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>>388754367
MGS4 = Cream

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>MGS2 = Meme

Indeed, my good friend.

>GeMeScSePeRa
>geimeisissypira

>>388756830
MG1 was before Kojima even planned to extend to a damn sequel, or even, a 3D rehash

>>388755696
The scene of volgin bombing the lab lead to the death of the boss. The SCENE is why people fights in the first place, because of the situations and time demands it.

I like all of them. Had so much fun playing MGS V.

>>388754367
Ground Zeroes is RACE
The Phantom Pain is REVENGE

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MGS1 = HUH
MGS2 = HUH
MGS3 = HUH
MGS4 = HUH
PW = HUH
MGSV = HUH

GENE - Throughout the game, it is said that everyone is bound to their genes and to fate and that the only thing that matters is passing on genes to the next generation. Liquid Snake follows his genes and is what Snake could have become. By the end of the game, Naomi Hunter, comes to the conclusion that genes do not define you as a person, and the fact that Snake is a clone is not important for him to define himself - rather, you should enjoy your life instead of worrying about your genes.

MEME - At the end of the game, it is revealed that Raiden has been a test subject for the S3 Plan. The main antagonist, Solidus Snake is fighting against a group called the Patriots who were responsible for creating him. Each clone was made sterile so that they would not bear children, and there would be no more than three carrying the genes of Big Boss. Solidus is also fighting the Patriots' strict information control over the masses; their systems prevent him from being able to pass his memes to future generations. At the end of the game, it is shown that good things can be passed on to the next generation, not just the genes, those things, are the memes. It is also shown that Raiden and Rosemary plan to pass on good memes (culture, poetry, compassion, joy) to their child.

SCENE - The Boss is the major illustrator of this theme, that everything is not absolute or eternal and that everything changes along with the times. The Boss said that by the 21st century America and Russia will no longer be enemies. All of the major characters are affected by scene. EVA falls in love only to cause heartbreak, Nikolai Stephanovich Sokolov is forced to build a weapon which nearly got him killed and Colonel Volgin is consumed by power which leads to his death. Naked Snake is forced to kill The Boss in a scene he cannot control. By the end of the game, Snake's perspective changed completely due to the nature of Operation Snake Eater.

>>388759178
SENSE - Someone's understanding of the world that is lost when they die. This theme is prominent throughout the game, from Snake's attempt to understand Naomi's intentions to the misguided attempt of Zero to follow The Boss's will, and JD to follow his. In all of these cases, the individual's original intent and sense of the world is questioned and unclear and seemingly is deliberately left for the audience to answer.

REVENGE - A never ending series of killing between races. The "false spiral" (referring to revenge) will be carried out on to the next generation, the cornerstone of every theme in the series.

>>388759449
>MGSV
>REVENGE - A never ending series of killing between races. The "false spiral" (referring to revenge) will be carried out on to the next generation, the cornerstone of every theme in the series.
Strangely, it makes sense.

>>388754367
Go away super bunnyhop.

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>>388759975
Is george gay?

>>388754367
>Sense
What the fuck are you talking about?

>>388756572
Everything about MGS4 besides the Ocelot fight is a huge reach

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The phantom pain that comes from losing a beloved franchise. The events within the game mirror reality too much for it to be a coincidence.

>MSF's destruction/Kojima Productions forced to disband
>Removing the logos in Deja Vu/Kojima's name being wiped off the box
>Big Boss going on to build Outer Heaven/Kojima creating his new studio
>Meanwhile we are left with the phantom of a former game series/mercenary unit
>We are forced to suffer while Kojima gets to achieve his dreams
>Venom helping to shape Big Boss' meme/fans helping to boost Kojima's status within the industry

>>388754367
Either Revenge or Choice

DINÉE

>>388754367
>Hey we know everything was a disappointment and the map is empty with almost no indoor areas or things of note but you're Big Boss, good for you

WOOOOLBAAAACHHIAAAA!

>>388754367
>MGSV =
Language

>>388761427
Truly makes your nogging jogging

>>388755696
"SCENE" refers to the setting. In terms of gameplay it refers to changing the metal gear formula from arcadey base infiltration to Thief style simulation-y stealth. In a story sense, "SCENE" refers to the setting, particularly the era the game takes place in. The game is about the pointlessness of the cold war, how just a decade or two earlier the US and Russia had presented a united front against Germany and now they had descended into bickering that cost the lives of soldiers without accomplishing anything.

The theme makes sense, it would just be better expressed as "setting", but then it wouldn't sound as much like "gene" and "meme".

>>388756503
Race really doesn't make any sense. It's barely even touched on in the game.

>>388761427
Is it me, or the head looks completely out of proportion with that official photo?

The body overall seems too skinny for it to be even him... or, is it just me?

>>388754367
It was either Race(culture) or Face(identity)

TPP has fairly obvious themes even if they're not fully explored. Here's a question though, does GZ have a theme?

>>388754367
piss

>>388762118
Big Boss just has a big head like lion

WOLBACHIA

>>388761427
This is what actually buy me on the ruse cruise in the first place

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>>388755108
what are some meme games

>>388758868
Kiefer saying Huh would cost too much

>>388762340
GZ and TPP both makes up for the theme REVENGE and RACE

>>388754367
Venom

>>388754367
Unnecessary and unfinished.

>>388756672
COPULATION

>>388754367
Globalism

>>388755067
First of all you are right that the themes were never as meaningful after MGS1/2 duology. Anyway.
Scene meant the place and time, environments and situations. You could say it sort of adds to genes and memes dictating people's lives, since we don't exist in solitary. MGS3's scene is of course the Cold War.
Sense means realization and revelation. Patriots' info control stuff of course applies to this, but the most powerful application of this theme is Snake's realization that his life is nearing it's end.
Peace is pretty much shoehorned into everything in MPW.
Revenge is just that, but I'd argue that the biggest theme in MGSV is 'loss'.

>>388756503
Race yes, Pain maybe, Revenge no

Literally everyone in MGSV wants revenge. The only person who doesn't is Ocelot. He's sucking up to big boss, who still wants revenge for the Boss's death. Even fucking Quiet wants revenge for what happened to her, and she's torn between vengeance on V and skull face.

>>388754367
MALE TO FEMALE COPULATION

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>2 years later there are people who still believe Kojima purposely left the game unfinished so as to give the audience real, visceral phantom pain
Keeping Every Kek

Who cares what TPP was, what was MGR?

>>388768040
REVENGEANCE

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>>388754367
Voice.

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>Mgs 4 is 9 years old

>>388768040
Soundtrack

Pepe

>>388754367
garbage

WOLBACHIA

>>388769680
Still looks incredible
Honestly like how it looks more than V